yet another reflection on Photoguy's K-1 experience

[TomT]

Ken,

If anything is more astonishing than Mark's relentless feud with you, it is that anyone actually takes him seriously. Perhaps they will be cured of this after they have read his retarded posts for as long as we have.

[BC]

Turbo,

My guesstimate is that around 75% or of the material you think is objectionable originated from someone(s?) who is no longer here nor a part of what I think you consider to be the pickled pecker club.  We've been through this before, and before that..  Where's the bone (that in recent history were used a wee bit+ out of context) we're supposed to chew on? If you find it maybe we can all look at it for the very last time so that the very few folks that are keeping this resentment alive can move on to other things like the rest of us so obviously have.. I'm game if you can promise to finally let it rest thereafter.

[Michelangelo]

I really think everyone means well.  I just think and have always said that things could be worded with a little more tact, a little more kindness and that if the ideas were expressed in a more gentle way you might do a lot more good. 

Amen.

[BC]

Tom,

Considering Ken's well worded response I wonder where you fit in?  This a threesome kinda thing?  I find your input a bit queer..

[Admin]

Can I rename this to something like:


The fifth in a series of threads that just REFUSE to die!

Alternatives welcomed.  :noidea:

- Dan

[Michelangelo]

Can I rename this to something like:


The fifth in a series of threads that just REFUSE to die!

Alternatives welcomed.  :noidea:

- Dan

Dan, Please please close this thread!  I'm afraid FSU women will read it and NEVER EVER consider any of us as husbands, because of the hatred that is repeated over and over and over and over and over....

[catzenmouse]

B Movie Horror Thread Titles:

 Night of the Living Thread

 Endless Thread from Planet 9

 It Lives!

 Stop Me Before I Thread Again

 Revenge of the Neverending Thread

 Return to the Planet of the Thread

Off the top of my pointy little head...

Obviously there are still some issues to be worked out and until they are there would just be another thread opened up to continue this. Perhaps it would be better to move it to the "No Holds" section. Just a thought.

[Turboguy]

It is always a good idea to blame the one who is no longer around and can't defend himself but I would say Anono was 25% of it and towards the end was not posting anything negative.  75% of it was the pickle barrell boys.  Some of the nastiest comments were not Anono. 

I could sit here and list some of the things and who said them but I an not wanting to make this a personal attack.  I am saying these things not to pick fault but to try to say that there is a difference between being blund and direct and being nasty and cruel.  We need to all be more considerate of others feelings and thoughts and many of you who are trying to help by being direct are coming off as being cruel, thoughtless and pig headed.  I don't think that is the real you. 

[TomT]

Tom,

Considering Ken's well worded response I wonder where you fit in?  This a threesome kinda thing?  I find your input a bit queer..

Please feel free to think whatever you like, BC, and good luck with the homophobia.







 

[BC]

Tom,

Your response serves well to show clearly that what one construes to be offensive begins in the readers mind.

I hope others take notice of this fact also.

[Killer-B]

Please feel free to think whatever you like, BC, and good luck with the homophobia.

I was JUST about to come in and defend you Tom, not because I agreed with your post (or dissagreed for that matter) but then you made this wisecrack.... Point is, since it "appears" you are fairly new here, and your remarks and observations were about the ongoing feud between all the parties involved (and yes, this poor horse has been pummeled to death!!) But I also think that the "collective group" needs to know what a newbie reads and digests... Here, it is anger and/or "the feud"... So let it die people...

As to BC's comments - I don't think he was being literal - And think BC is probably one of the more "centered" people here... Hardly a homophobe (queer translates differently on that side of the pond) but I could be wrong...

Either way, for whatever reasons ya'll wish to keep breathing life back into the PG saga - :noidea: - Let's try to keep the personal attacks out of the gutter -

Cheers - and have a great Holiday weekend!!

KB

PS: Ken,  I personally like "Night of the living Thread" LOL - Good stuff! Also agree this should be moved to "anything goes" (or locked and toss the key)!

Michelangelo - You really think RW read this?? LOL JK!

EDIT - Sorry BC didn't see your post...  Well said.

[PeeWee]

Ken,

If anything is more astonishing than Mark's relentless feud with you, it is that anyone actually takes him seriously. Perhaps they will be cured of this after they have read his retarded posts for as long as we have.

Not fair and I, for one, tend to agree with a lot of what Mark has to say. Add to that Wiz...Turbo, Clyde, jb... and anyone else who can present a valid case, arguement, or logical train of thought that makes me stop to think for a moment, "Is this possible?"

Peewee

[Bruno]

1Week,

Thanks for the well written critique.  I really don't want (or have the time) to really go through all the items you mentioned and surely don't need to step up to the plate for others here, but one aspect you should be aware of is that Photo's story here started long ago.  I assume since you recently registered here you were not along for the whole ride. IIRC we are talking about well over 80 pages of posts in addition to his first 20 or so page trip report that is no longer unavailable.. a huge, incredible amount of posts to sort through to even get a basic idea of what really happened.

BC, i was one of the first member here... never register and read the RWD condition... i have follow the Doug story from the first word...

The first trip report non available is not the starting of the story and of the bashing... one of the first post of Doug was over her lady stoping communication during a few day because a beauty convention in Kiev... Some people ( the pickle boys ) have say that so convention don't exist in Ukraine, that she was maybe meeting other man, that she was maybe a hooker...

I have find information over beauty convention in Ukraine and show to Doug that so beauty convention exist... a lot of time after, during the short trip in Ukraine, he have receive the confirmation that so convention exist...

So, dice was trow before these first trip report... Pickle boys have attack Larisa, fact have prove that they was wrong... Pickle boys have become not credible people in the Doug mind... so, later, when these Pickle boys have give good advice, these advice was ignored by Doug due to the first negative experience about advice/information provided.

These "Pickle barrel boy" club need to learn be more moderated, other the result of advice will have the reverse of the desired effect.

The problem have begin ( 15/02/2005 ) with a post from Albert : http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1616#msg1616
"Most certainly the business trip is BS.  Beauticians do not go on these sort of trips.  This is most likely a trip to be a hooker at a business convention."
Followed by KenC :  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1636#msg1636
"I have to say that I thought much the same as Albert when I first read your post.  Not the hooker part though, I do think that that is a stretch."
And JB : http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1648#msg1648
"Based upon what I personally know, beauticians do not go out of town much.  There just isn't a two week convention of beauticians anywhere in the FSU.  If she told you that, she was pulling your chain."

The 16/02/2005, i have post link to beautician convention in Ukraine and Russia... but the first attack against Larisa was already make by the pickle boy... long time before the first trip... and a non founded attack... this is the begin of all these big story, these fight, these bashing who have not help Doug in anyway...

Yes, don't limit the history to the first trip report, all have begin before !!!

[Bruno]

Michelangelo - You really think RW read this?? LOL JK!

Yes, RW read RWD... my actual girlfriend have know me via post on antidate... some of these post was related to RWD... She have follow link to RWD and read my post here... only after she have read a few of my post, she have contact me for the first time... It was the begin of a good friendship... She have know trip to Nikolaev, the missing one to Minsk... and we have become more that friend... now, after visit her, she is my girlfriend...

So, again, yes, RW read this forum and you never know what can be the result... positive in my case 

[Zhena]

Yes, RW read RWD... my actual girlfriend have know me via post on antidate... some of these post was related to RWD... She have follow link to RWD and read my post here... only after she have read a few of my post, she have contact me for the first time... It was the begin of a good friendship... She have know trip to Nikolaev, the missing one to Minsk... and we have become more that friend... now, after visit her, she is my girlfriend...

So, again, yes, RW read this forum and you never know what can be the result... positive in my case 

I guess Michelangelo knows what he says,lol

[Leslie]

Dan

I really do not know what to suggest  ???

I think your views on moderation posted another thread are VERY appropriate -

'Part of the problem of running a board such as this is the variety of opinion on numerous topics, sometimes expressed in a manner which is not to my preference - but I cannot moderate every post nor every member - and I also enjoy the natural tensions which are created - most of the time. It is through those tensions that understanding and learning *CAN* come about *IF* the people involved are sincerely interested in learning.

OK - so that describes my light-handed approach to moderation.

I also wish that some would not be so thin-skinned when the topics of religion and politics appear. It has been my experience that an incredibly large proportion of posts which address politics and/or religion end up in a virtual shouting match which devolves and devolves into nothing more than hate-filled diatribes. There is no learning - no understanding - because there is no intent to learn or understand - just the intent to SHOUT. That is something *I* have no patience for.'

Doug and a large number of members have been engaged in a hate filled diatribe for months now  

Doug is not learning anything.  Most newcomers reading these threads would assume that RWD is a VERY unfriendly place.  Problem is that while Doug keeps on responding the other group will keep on hammering...

Perhaps the only remedy is to transfer ALL these threads to 'no holds barred'.  At least there they do not affect the tone of the board so much.

Oh and this is my last 2 cents.  I have been trying to curtail this for months now....

[Ste]

Dunno if this got lost, sure it went!!

Yes, Peewee, you are wrong,
I never searched for a woman as young as Lena. In fact I overlooked her profile and video interview that was supplied by the agency. As I have told in the past, the agency highlighted a handful of women that you could phone call directly. I was intrigued by this and made a phone call out of curiosity. I guess you can say that I "bumped" into Lena on the website. We hit it off with phone calls and became friends. On my first trip to Russia, Lena was the only woman I met of that age. "Target" is too strong a word, but of course OWW has been told that many many times.
KenC

And yes PeeWee you are wrong!

I wasn't even looking - I was 42, with five kids, yes five kids, I'd written myself off totally. Prepared for a live of romantic and sexual solitude with a porn flick and and a box of tissues as my bedmates.

I was internetting to relearn my Russian I half-heartedly studied in Soviet times, cos I was in need of a hobby and the tissues were running out.

She taught me russian and I helped with her English, Christ if anything I'd always gone for the older woman, what interest had I with a 20 yo as she was. And she was with boyfriend and he was I seem to remember very suspicious of my motives. Actually I had none at the time. That was Sept 2003. December 2003 I felt different and so did she. She blew bf out only she really knows the true reason why and I will never ask. We had a heart-to-heart over the phone and we decided to decide face-to-face meeting in her city.

I went to Chel March 2004 and thats all you need to know, already too much!

She's here now, we're living together, not married and everything is great.

Ste

 

[BC]

Bruno,

Anyone reading the thread you mentioned from the beginning will see a nice conversation going on.  Alberts remark was out of line in my book and looking at Ken's response he clearly stated such and was actually trying to counter it. Re: jb's remark stating that he did not believe in a two week long beautician convention, I'm sure you found some convention listings for beauticians but were they two weeks long?.. it really doesn't matter..  Just pointing out that cutting and pasting little snippits here and there cannot provide the context needed to know what went on.  Nothing in the first couple pages I peeked at again except for Alberts and I think Racer's remarks were really out of line.  Are they 'pickled peckers?' Albert even come around anymore for more than a post per month?

I'm following Leslie's lead and heading out of this niche subject.  I do disagree with him about putting all this in no holds barred.  I think it warrants an entirely new website instead.

The way I figure it is that after all this time if you haven't got the point you never will.

Carry on my wayward son..  (Kansas lyrics, read 'em.. quite interesting indeed)

[KenC]

BC, i was one of the first member here... never register and read the RWD condition... i have follow the Doug story from the first word...

The first trip report non available is not the starting of the story and of the bashing... one of the first post of Doug was over her lady stoping communication during a few day because a beauty convention in Kiev... Some people ( the pickle boys ) have say that so convention don't exist in Ukraine, that she was maybe meeting other man, that she was maybe a hooker...

I have find information over beauty convention in Ukraine and show to Doug that so beauty convention exist... a lot of time after, during the short trip in Ukraine, he have receive the confirmation that so convention exist...

So, dice was trow before these first trip report... Pickle boys have attack Larisa, fact have prove that they was wrong... Pickle boys have become not credible people in the Doug mind... so, later, when these Pickle boys have give good advice, these advice was ignored by Doug due to the first negative experience about advice/information provided.

These "Pickle barrel boy" club need to learn be more moderated, other the result of advice will have the reverse of the desired effect.

The problem have begin ( 15/02/2005 ) with a post from Albert : http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1616#msg1616
"Most certainly the business trip is BS.  Beauticians do not go on these sort of trips.  This is most likely a trip to be a hooker at a business convention."
Followed by KenC :  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1636#msg1636
"I have to say that I thought much the same as Albert when I first read your post.  Not the hooker part though, I do think that that is a stretch."
And JB : http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=108.msg1648#msg1648
"Based upon what I personally know, beauticians do not go out of town much.  There just isn't a two week convention of beauticians anywhere in the FSU.  If she told you that, she was pulling your chain."

The 16/02/2005, i have post link to beautician convention in Ukraine and Russia... but the first attack against Larisa was already make by the pickle boy... long time before the first trip... and a non founded attack... this is the begin of all these big story, these fight, these bashing who have not help Doug in anyway...

Yes, don't limit the history to the first trip report, all have begin before !!!

Bruno,
It is funny how you tried to select damning posts from this thread and ignored or edited out:
jb reminding Doug that he should call Larisa again because it had been 5 days since his first call. Oh and that Valentines Day was approaching and that maybe a single red rose was in order.
RacerX telling Doug that Larisa was probably meeting another man in Kiev and not going to a convention. Oh and that Doug should start acting like a man.
Or my post where I acted a a peacemaker between Doug and Albert.
Or Doug thanking me for my "sage advice" to slow things down.

BTW, Doug started posting before this thread. He originally choose "cameraguy" as his handle and then switched to avoid the confusion with the other cameraguy.

I know it is simple to lump a bunch of us into one category and say we are all guilty of the same offenses, but it is simply not true. I know that I never knocked Larisa's looks or profession. I agreed that her trip to a convention sounded suspicious. Later in his first trip report, Doug asked for our input on Larisa's kiss refusal. I thought it was a huge red flag and said so. When Doug got advice or an opinion that he didn't like, he attacked the adviser and justified his actions. That will never change, I am afraid to say. As he is still justifying that he did things right. I guess as long as he is happy, that is all that matters. But please don't tell me that Doug didn't get a lot of positive advice and encouragement before things went south.
KenC

[Bruno]

BTW, Doug started posting before this thread. He originally choose "cameraguy" as his handle and then switched to avoid the confusion with the other cameraguy.

All the reply before the 15/02, to photoguy ( cameraguy ) have never show a negative size... from these data to now, post was with a lot of good advice but mixed with some crap... Unfortunaly, Doug have know a normal reflex, he have trow the full post of other nad no see the good advice... no everybody is able to find gold in a pack of shit.

[Scooter]

Please feel free to think whatever you like, BC, and good luck with the homophobia.

 

Homophobia?
First off, not everyone who doesn't like queers are homophobic. Don't assume that everyone has inner turmoil over their sexuality. Good luck with yours.

Queers call themeslves queers. They have "queer pride" parades.

Besides that, the word also means "odd", which is the original meaning.

[PeeWee]

Dunno if this got lost, sure it went!!

And yes PeeWee you are wrong!

I wasn't even looking - I was 42, with five kids, yes five kids, I'd written myself off totally. Prepared for a live of romantic and sexual solitude with a porn flick and and a box of tissues as my bedmates.

I was internetting to relearn my Russian I half-heartedly studied in Soviet times, cos I was in need of a hobby and the tissues were running out.

She taught me russian and I helped with her English, Christ if anything I'd always gone for the older woman, what interest had I with a 20 yo as she was. And she was with boyfriend and he was I seem to remember very suspicious of my motives. Actually I had none at the time. That was Sept 2003. December 2003 I felt different and so did she. She blew bf out only she really knows the true reason why and I will never ask. We had a heart-to-heart over the phone and we decided to decide face-to-face meeting in her city.

I went to Chel March 2004 and thats all you need to know, already too much!

She's here now, we're living together, not married and everything is great.

Ste

 

You be da man, Ste!

Peewee

[PeeWee]

I've lost track of the players. I think I need a player card like the baseball managers have. Again, who are the Pickle Packers? Who are the Homophobes? Who are the Rah Rah Boyz? One Week Wonder Sympathisers? Four groups? Or are there more? Sub groups, perhaps? Are there closet Pickle Packers? Trans-Rah Rah Boys?

sorry but I got lost somewhere around yesterday when Ken and Ste went into denial  :)and Ste, thank God, found his way out of Porno Hell. Slick, pardon the pun, move on his part by the way. I think, for the moment, I'm a Rah Rah Boy with latent OWW tendencys who may just revert to one of Ste's porno sites (Ste, I'll pm you for the address of a quality site in a moment) if I read too much more of this thread!  Someone just please shoot me now.

Hey, I saw the new X-Men movie today. Besure to stay to see the last scene that follows all of the credits.

Peewee

[Jumper]

STE said :

I was 42, with five kids, yes five kids, I'd written myself off totally. Prepared for a live of romantic and sexual solitude with a porn flick and and a box of tissues as my bedmates.

Well after 5 ,That seems the sensible approach! 
(just razzing you STE)
any plans for 5 more?

 my friend has ten , and working on 11, no it's not Spinal Tap

So you can just imagine the pressure from my wife for the patter of little bilingual feet in the house LOL!

[PeeWee]

STE said :
Well after 5 ,That seems the sensible approach! 
(just razzing you STE)
any plans for 5 more?

 my friend has ten , and working on 11, no it's not Spinal Tap

So you can just imagine the pressure from my wife for the patter of little bilingual feet in the house LOL!

I had thought of this before, AJ.  What an advantage any rug rat would have by having an opportuity to learn to speak two languages. I have a pal how is married to a Chinese lady. Their three little ones all speak both English and one of the Chinese dialects.

Peewee