"Britain could not allow the Ukrainian armed forces to collapse "

[BillyB]

The message to Putler is clear...the Lion is starting to stir.

Check this out. Obama has been doing a little roaring himself. He calls Putin the day before the peace talks and tells him if there isn't an agreement, there's going to be costs. Good job Obama. Put some fear into Putin before the talks. Remember what happened last time Obama threatened costs? I have a feeling this isn't going to be the last peace talk.


Will somebody buy Obama a reset button that works?


Is this good or bad news pertaining to today's peace talks? "Experts are working, there is noticeable progress," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, although he signalled there would be no flexibility on Ukraine's demand that it be given back control of its border with Russia.


You see, Russia's not impossible to work with as long as we give them everything they want.

[Doll]

Крымская область была передана из состава РСФСР в состав УССР 19 февраля 1954 года по личной инициативе главы КПСС Н.С. Хрущева к 300-летию Переяславской Рады в знак вечной дружбы русского и украинского народов. Это было решено 25 января 1954 года на заседании Президиума ЦК КПСС и затем оформлено сначала указом Президиума ВС РСФСР от 5 февраля 1954 года, затем указом Президиума ВС УССР от 13 февраля и, наконец, указом президиума Верховного Совета СССР от 19 февраля того же года.

Вся эта цепочка указов была незаконна, так как: а) Президиум ЦК КПСС не имел права передавать территории одной республики другой, б) Конституция РСФСР 1937 года не называет в числе полномочий Президиума Верховного Совета РСФСР право решать вопросы территориальной целостности РСФСР, в) вообще никакие органы государственной власти РСФСР не были наделены правом изменять территорию РСФСР или давать согласие на ее изменение.

Единственным способом получения согласия РСФСР на изменение ее территории был бы референдум. И пункт «г» статьи 33 Конституции Российской Федерации наделял Президиум Верховного Совета правом проводить всенародный опрос (референдум). В 1954 году этого сделано не было: референдум, учитывающий мнение жителей Крыма, при передаче не проводился. Таким образом, акты 1954 года о передаче Крымской области из состава РСФСР в состав УССР не имеют юридической силы с момента их принятия.

What is lie here?
Crimea was gifted illegally

[Doll]

Check this out. Obama has been doing a little roaring himself. He calls Putin the day before the peace talks and tells him if there isn't an agreement, there's going to be costs. Good job Obama. Put some fear into Putin before the talks. Remember what happened last time Obama threatened costs? I have a feeling this isn't going to be the last peace talk.

 

 
 

Put fear in KGB General? Ha-ha
With so many years in leadership Russia?
 

[LAman]

it amazes me how some cling on to every word said like it is actually happening(of course they want badly for that to happen). Talk is cheap.........actions speak
Do that, or else....or else.....or else....or else....or else......

And for the war mongers, think with the mind not emotion or rash thinking, what is the 'end game' for any decision/s made( cause you can't go back). Interesting article.......

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics /2015/02/saving_ukraine_and_stopping_vladimir_putin_the_west_needs_a_long_term_s trategy.html
modify-( need to find article again, does not show up now)

[Boethius]

Your link doesn't work, LAMan.

[LAman]

here is link(I hope)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/saving_ukraine_and_stopping_vladimir_putin_the_west_needs_a_long_term_strategy.html

[Photo Guy]

Right. That huge lie makes Russia look barbaric. Putin is ruining Russia. Who can trust him?

[cc3]

"Russian tyrant" won't.
Don't tease the bear.
PLUS there are no Russian troops in Ukraine 

"...no Russian troops in Ukraine"...maybe not, but there are thousands of muscovite murderous mongrels running amuck there.

[lordtiberius]

here is link(I hope)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/saving_ukraine_and_stopping_vladimir_putin_the_west_needs_a_long_term_strategy.html

In the State Department's defense, we don't have a Russia policy either.

[Noch1]

All Ukraine needs is about 15-20 blackhawks, with the crews to run them, I suspect that would
change things relatively quickly

[AC]

All Ukraine needs is about 15-20 blackhawks, with the crews to run them, I suspect that would
change things relatively quickly

Apparently Russia has set up some pretty good air defense systems over E. Ukraine, which is why Ukraine's Air Force no longer takes a chance in flying there.

They need some modern air defense systems jamming equipment first.  They need some Javelins.  They need a lot more tanks.  They need some proper drones.

From what the pilots have written apparently the A-10 Warthog would be the best aircraft to destroy large numbers of Russian tanks.

[lordtiberius]

They need the right weapons mix.

Obama is a fraud.  The only way to get a fraud to do something is to pressure him with negative incentives.  Obama doesn't care what people think of him but his advisors do care because they want a career in government, academia and media after he his done.  Pressing the administration is the only way to arm Ukrainians.

[AkMike]

From what the pilots have written apparently the A-10 Warthog would be the best aircraft to destroy large numbers of Russian tanks.

 CNN reports that a dozen of these 'worn out' A-10's are being shipped to Germany now. Just a hop skip and jump away from the Russian front.

[Brasscasing]

Not exactly your top of the line 5th generation MBT but it's a start...

Ukraine: UK delivers armoured vehicles, MoD confirms

..."A consignment of former British military Saxon armoured vehicles has been delivered to Ukraine, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed."...

..."A Ukrainian news agency has reported that 20 British Saxon armoured cars have been delivered to Ukraine, with another 55 expected to arrive soon."...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31465365

Now these are army surplus APCs (armored personnel carriers) and are being delivered unarmed but they work and the good part is they can be easily rearmed as they're outfitted with one turret mount 7.62 machine gun which with minor modification could carry the Ukrainian equivalent PK 7.62 light machine gun.



So well done UK.

Brass

[Photo Guy]

Here in AZ, we know about the A-10. Certainly a tank killer. ie Iraq

[lordtiberius]

It is too little.  Is it too late?

[JayH]

Interesting link and responses- we can only hope action will be immediate when it is obvious Russia has no intention of abiding by ceasefire.


US State Department: Russians deploying artillery, air defense and multiple rocket launcher systems around Debaltseve

Feb. 14, 2015, 8:05 a.m. | Ukraine abroad — by US State Department

QUESTION: But it does not appear that the run-up to this is that – since the deal was done and ahead of the ceasefire, it looks like things are just getting worse, and I’m just wondering what the Administration thinks. Is this a harbinger of doom, or do you still think that this is – that this will work, that the agreement will work?

MS. PSAKI: Well, we are very concerned about continued fighting along and beyond the line of contact, including in heavily populated civilian areas, and reports of additional resupplies of tanks and missile systems coming across the border from Russia in the past few days, and I have a little more detail of that I just want to go into for a moment here. The Russian military has deployed a large amount of artillery and multiple rocket launcher systems around Debaltseve where it is shelling Ukrainian positions. We are confident these are Russian military, not separatist systems. The Russian military also has air defense systems deployed near Debaltseve. We are also confident these are Russian military, not separatist systems.

Russian units along the border with Ukraine are preparing a large shipment of supplies to pro-Russian forces fighting in eastern Ukraine. This is clearly not in the spirit of this week’s agreement. All parties must show complete restraint in the run-up to the Sunday ceasefire, including an immediate halt to the Russian and separatist assault on Debaltseve and other Ukrainian towns. Clearly, the same options that have been on the table remain on the table, and obviously we’ll be watching closely to see what happens over the course of the coming days.

QUESTION: On those – where the information on the Russian equipment is coming from. It’s not coming from Senator Inhofe’s office I hope.

MS. PSAKI: No, it’s coming from our own internal information we were able to make public.

QUESTION: U.S. information, not Ukrainian information?

MS. PSAKI: Correct.


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/02/237501.htm#UKRAINE3

[Brasscasing]

Further to the Saxons:

Well, like most pieces of news regarding individual countries gifting or sending aid, there is a good news, bad news aspect to these APCs as well. So within a few hours of my posting the news item above we get this...

General Sir Richard Dannatt condemns armoured vehicle transfer to Ukraine

..."The former head of the British Army has condemned a decision to deliver dozens of redundant British military armoured vehicles to the Ukrainian government as “nothing short of immoral”.

General Sir Richard Dannatt, who served as Chief of the Defence Staff between 2006 and 2009, said the Saxon armoured vehicles, which the Ukranian military are planning to convert for use in their fight against Russian-backed separatist forces – are “quite useless”."...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11412838/Sir-Richard-Dannatt-condemns-armoured-vehicle-transfer-to-Ukraine.html

The General is very critical of the UK's decision to send this equipment stating ...

..."He told The Telegraph: “I took these out of service by the UK Army in 2005/6 as completely unsuitable for current operations, so I find it incredible that they are being sold/gifted to Ukraine. I am incensed by the thought we are supplying, even via a 3rd party, SAXON APCs to the hapless Ukrainians.

“They are quite useless, semi-armoured lorries that should be nowhere near anyone’s front line."...

Of the two articles the General's assessment of the Saxon's capabilities holds more weight with me and not because I'm familiar with the APC but because he is.

On the other hand the APCs or 'armored lorries' as Dannatt calls them were originally acquired by Ukraine in 2013 and may never have been intended for frontline service until the current invasion changed priorities, who knows.

I can't help thinking for every positive piece of news regarding Ukraine, almost as if on cue, a correspondingly bad piece of news or set back appears.

Brass
 

[lordtiberius]

God is defending Ukraine.  God is Ukrainian.

[AC]

God is defending Ukraine.  God is Ukrainian.

 

[AkMike]

God is defending Ukraine.  God is Ukrainian.

 Please provide a link to that statement.
 I don't recall ever seeing that mentioned anywhere. 

[lordtiberius]

Sure He is.  He made sure we didn't meet right?

[AkMike]

Yep! I got lucky there alright...

[lordtiberius]

For the record, I didn't ask for the meeting.  You did

[Taz]

If push comes to shove, there are 3 world armies that could kick Russia's ass back to the stone age in straight up combat with no issues; USA, UK and Germany. Russia needs to be careful how far they push this. From talking to my congressman there is a much greater appetite to confront Putin. If he allows the rebel terrorists and Russian army to continue to attack, there likely will be a major war. Russia could easily lose if this happens. Russian isn't exactly rolling over the Ukrainian army and if they went up against US troops they would get their asses handed to them.