Stay away from Natalia Poglazova!

[Doll]

Mendy, what FSU woman!
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[GregfromGa]

Hello! Please help me with a link to Natalya’s Facebook page or to another account of hers. If you communicated with her through some forum, Please send a link to it. I would be grateful, if you help me to find her.
Thank you for the answer!

You've posted the girls picture here. We need to see your passport now so we can judge you as you have judged her.

[Doll]

You've posted the girls picture here. We need to see your passport now so we can judge you as you have judged her.

What picture did she post?

[GregfromGa]

My bad. I was referring to the OP.

[jone]

[LAman]

My bad. I was referring to the OP.

What ya smoking Greg? 


Lendr came outta left field

[Doll]

[Doll]

[mendeleyev]

My bad, too. I thought that Lendr was the OP.

Sorry. Until Doll pointed it out, did not know he/she was Pressa.

[jone]

Lily is correct: she cannot travel on an internal passport.

As to scams, most are not really--they are more likely a misreading of the situation by both sides, as there are vast differences in travel procedures, etc. As others have said, slow down and learn first.

Bottom line: you will travel there first, not the other way around.

Some thoughts on Mendy's posts:

When an agency makes up a profile, they take all available data that a woman has.  Usually that entails the pictures of the photo shoot and a couple of home shots and, of course, the internal passport.  All of that goes into a digital file and the agency person then begins pumping out to whomever will bite.  The agency gets paid a percentage from the aggregator.  (sp?)

Every time that a letter is sent or the profile is active on chat both the aggregator and the agency get paid.  The aggregator is the website repositories of all the data, for instance, Anastasia Date.  The agency is the local office that recruits the women and takes the pictures, etc.

So who are you actually talking to?  You are probably talking to an agency employee paid to run that profile.  A good agency employee will be running four or five conversations at the same time.  Their job is to keep you on the computer, spending your money.  If the woman is actually the one communicating with you, one of the first things she will have is a Western Union account.  A good scammer will make as much money from 'sucking' money from you through Western Union as she does each month talking to suckers on the internet.  But the money she makes through getting guys to send her through Western Union is all her own. 

There are a number of standard stories.  The first one is that she needs money for her passport or ticket.  The second is for English lessons.  The third is that a family member is ill.  Some profiles have built in deficiencies.  For employment the individual puts: Unemployed.  That is a natural lead in to fleece a guy.

The reason for writing all of this is that my guess is that the only passport the agency person had available to them was the internal passport that they take a picture of for the aggregator.  Most aggregators protect themselves by requiring to see a picture of that passport in order to list the profile on the website.

You should know how refined the process is, too.  There are certain agency employees who work only Australia, and, therefore are available online during Australia's peak hours.  Late in the evening or early in the morning.  There are members here with much more experience than I and can fill in the blanks. 

But you should know that you were up against a stacked deck.   The agency employee (Hairy Boris?) was playing you like a fiddle.  And the money you sent through Western Union is now assisting the economy of Eastern Europe.

How do you get away from this and have confidence in the woman you are to meet?  Get away from the pay-per-letter and pay-per-chat sites.  These sites get paid to keep you online.  A subscription site does not and the number of scammers is reduced to a fraction.  When I was looking, almost every women on Elena's was there to find a husband.

Get to a place where you have a reasonable chance of finding someone real and then you will forget all about Natalia and wind up with a wonderful woman.

[Faux Pas]

Dear Lord, if she is a scammer, as you claim, why on God's green earth would you want to be linked to her?

Get a life. Trying to play international detective is silly.

There are real women, but if you are more intent on detecting scams, don't give up the day job.

He can reform her. Love conquers all 

[Photo Guy]

   The original poster is new here. Sure, stay away from a scam, but please do some reading here at RWD. Like RWD's Ten Commandments. see:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
Yeah- lots of info here at RWD. Thousands of pages. Check out some of the Trip Reports. Good stuff...  also see 'Starting Out' section
....Welcome!

[Lily]

Good job  but they could at least write his last name in a correct German. It should be Stierlitz.

[Green Aiden]

jone - thank you for a great post.

I have to assume that most people (in our case, most Russian girls) are nice. What I mean by "nice" is that every person (even scammers) look for a genuine friendship, genuine relationship, genuine love, genuine partner. So, let's learn and move on.

I guess it's fairly difficult for agencies/web sites to check every profile to make sure it's genuine.

[jone]

Yeah, but you still don't get it. 

If an agency is involved, they are there to make MONEY.  That means that you will come out on the short end of the stick.  Agencies do not advise their clients to go Elena's Models or a similar site to find a husband.  They try and milk a good woman for all of the money her profile can suck in from Western Men.  Period.

I met a gal in Mykolaiv.  Beautiful woman.  On A-Date.   I convinced her to start talking to me on Skype.  While we were talking on Skype her profile was active on A-Date.  So I went online and asked some pointed questions.  Then I revealed that we were talking at the same time they said she was online.  They were using her profile to make money even though she had no knowledge of it. 

She dropped them the next day but they refused to bring down her profile stating that it cost them money to take pictures, etc.  So they were using her profile, even though she had no more use for them.   Sabe?

Any woman on a PPL or PPC site there longer than a month is either getting a paycheck or is not really there and hairy boris is running the profile.  We have one gal who married a guy on the forum.  They've been married three years, I believe.  The agency is still using the profile to make money even though they have threatened a lawsuit.

Get away from the agencies.  Go to a subscription site.  Period.  You are not experienced or smart enough to make contact with those 'well meaning women' from the agencies.  Only the experienced guys on here really have enough knowledge to successfully date a woman from a PPL or PPC site.  There are noted exceptions.  CC3 is one.  Jumper is another for example.   Quite honestly, Jumper just got lucky.  No one knows why such a beautiful woman would ever want to marry him to begin with.

So I tell you again:  Go to a subscription site.  But if they ask for money before meeting, go on to the next one.  (There are always more women.)

As 2TallBill is fond of saying:

Udachi!

[Photo Guy]

Even girls who are just out of prison, need love.
<wink>

[Patagonie]

Yeah, but you still don't get it. 

If an agency is involved, they are there to make MONEY.  That means that you will come out on the short end of the stick.  Agencies do not advise their clients to go Elena's Models or a similar site to find a husband.  They try and milk a good woman for all of the money her profile can suck in from Western Men.  Period.

I met a gal in Mykolaiv.  Beautiful woman.  On A-Date.   I convinced her to start talking to me on Skype.  While we were talking on Skype her profile was active on A-Date.  So I went online and asked some pointed questions.  Then I revealed that we were talking at the same time they said she was online.  They were using her profile to make money even though she had no knowledge of it. 

She dropped them the next day but they refused to bring down her profile stating that it cost them money to take pictures, etc.  So they were using her profile, even though she had no more use for them.   Sabe?

Any woman on a PPL or PPC site there longer than a month is either getting a paycheck or is not really there and hairy boris is running the profile.  We have one gal who married a guy on the forum.  They've been married three years, I believe.  The agency is still using the profile to make money even though they have threatened a lawsuit.

Get away from the agencies.  Go to a subscription site.  Period.  You are not experienced or smart enough to make contact with those 'well meaning women' from the agencies.  Only the experienced guys on here really have enough knowledge to successfully date a woman from a PPL or PPC site.  There are noted exceptions.  CC3 is one.  Jumper is another for example.   Quite honestly, Jumper just got lucky.  No one knows why such a beautiful woman would ever want to marry him to begin with.

So I tell you again:  Go to a subscription site.  But if they ask for money before meeting, go on to the next one.  (There are always more women.)

As 2TallBill is fond of saying:

Udachi!

I approve what you are writing Jone and it makes good sense, and it shows also a nice knowledge of the hidden side of the MOB industry. Your advices are precious for newbies.
HOWEVER,
however there are still few, FEW, agencies ppl sites who are trustable through the MOB business. This is true that they are not so much, less than 5 % of the agencies, or perhaps less than this %;
You know how i have gone through this process, by my myself, surfing through the mob and never been caught in their traps. I however met few individual scammers or prodaters who were running for their own.

So i would like to defend these few agencies or people who make a living or a complementary paycheck (the second happens more often than the first one) from their activity.
I think about local agencies or women in Ukraine that i personally know, but also some apparent go-between in the west that are in fact deeply grounded with FSU. The classical example is the cross cultural couple when one is running some business to help men wanting to marry. 

I would say, more than not using PPL sites, the most important is HOW and WHEN to use them. That is the most important. We are many here, and you belong to them if i am not wrong, to have used MOB, but we did it with a lot of discernment, which is finally makes the ultimate difference.

YOu also know that there are some different status among western  chasers :
1/ the unknow and unindentifed possible wallet identified by his credit card on internet
2/ the know biped who shake your hands at the airport before getting the keys of the appartment you have rented for him
3/ the looser that you know he will be creamed, if it is not by you, by women sooner or later (and he had been before probably)
4/ the not looser western man that will have some chances to meet locals, and with luck, if sparks are here it could become a marriage
5/ the guy that you would like to introduce to your sister, your singles females friends and perhaps to put him directly in your bed, not necessary only in your dreams.

So i let you guess, which status is the more likely to have success in FSU, with ladies, for a solid marriage.

[jone]

Patagonie,

I fully subscribe to what you are saying.  Yes, there are a number of honest local agencies that I know of.  These agencies do not send their gals to PPL or PPC sites.  Such would be a good place to advise on a woman.  There are also personal guides and wing men that will introduce you to honest women.  To newbies, I say, if you are interested in using such people, come here and I'm sure there are people that have previous experience on the forum with the individuals. 

But for the great unwashed MOB hunters, it is important to note the distinction.  Especially if you are just getting early experience, that you don't plunge into agencies that are submitting to PPL and PPC sites.

[AC]

Good job  but they could at least write his last name in a correct German. It should be Stierlitz.

I think that there would not be an "e" in that name in German. 


http://www.wordnik.com/words/Stirlitz


Edit to add:  I'm not even sure that "Stirlitz" or "Stierlitz" is actually a real German name, as I cannot find it on German heraldry links.  For those who don't know, Stirlitz was a fictional Soviet spy who pretended to be a Nazi officer.  V. Putin was inspired by the story and presented himself at a KGB office and they told him to get an education first and if they wanted him, they would contact him.  The rest is history.

[jone]

Green Aiden,

I have put up a survey of members on another thread to give you some idea of where the membership found their significant others.  While it is a small cross section of the membership, it tells you where they DIDN'T find their wives or significant others.

Here is the link to that poll:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=18951.0

[ML]

Even girls who are just out of prison, need love.
<wink>

As I hear it, there is a lot of love available in a women's prison.

[Lily]

I think that there would not be an "e" in that name in German. 


http://www.wordnik.com/words/Stirlitz


Edit to add:  I'm not even sure that "Stirlitz" or "Stierlitz" is actually a real German name, as I cannot find it on German heraldry links.  For those who don't know, Stirlitz was a fictional Soviet spy who pretended to be a Nazi officer.  V. Putin was inspired by the story and presented himself at a KGB office and they told him to get an education first and if they wanted him, they would contact him.  The rest is history.

We never know the true, as you correctly put it, the character is fictional. Other than that, it was created by a Russian writer Semenov, therefore the original is written in Russian language, albeit the action develops in Germany. I don't know whether the story was ever translated into German language.

My version stems from the word " Stier'' that means bull, or Taurus, and could well be a part of a name:
http://dict.leo.org/deutsch-englisch/stier.html

''Litz", or something with an ''-itz'' would be another German word that was often used in proper names, e.g. Ausschwitz, Chemnitz, etc.

I think I spelled that name the way a German speaker would spell it.

[Photo Guy]

But seriously, a nice gal can be met through a dating agency, like Elena's Models, etc. The main strategy, is to get rid of the agency as soon as possible, and communicate without the agency. Will agencies allow a guy to exchange contact info? I believe so. Get her email address, phone number, or even her mailing address. Then expand on that, do skype, or skype/phone. Get rid of agency once you have alternative methods for communication. ...Then go visit her.

[jone]

But seriously, a nice gal can be met through a dating agency, like Elena's Models, etc. The main strategy, is to get rid of the agency as soon as possible, and communicate without the agency. Will agencies allow a guy to exchange contact info? I believe so. Get her email address, phone number, or even her mailing address. Then expand on that, do skype, or skype/phone. Get rid of agency once you have alternative methods for communication. ...Then go visit her.

Photo guy - 

With Elena's Models, there are no agencies.

[LAman]

Photo guy - 

With Elena's Models, there are no agencies.

Jone are you saying each and every girl on EM personally signed up  into the site? I would think the girl's local agency signed them up into the site.