Minsk, round two

[AkMike]

Wow! For not being there it's 2.43 times better than Russia/

1 Ukrainian Hryvnia equals 2.43 Russian Ruble

[Doll]

Wow! For not being there it's 2.43 times better than Russia/

1 Ukrainian Hryvnia equals 2.43 Russian Ruble

Do you remember how much grivna was "before"?
It got worse 3 times while ruble is more stable

[Doll]

Wow! For not being there it's 2.43 times better than Russia/

1 Ukrainian Hryvnia equals 2.43 Russian Ruble

Better? You have no clue how it works

[sleepycat]

Have you change all your US Dollars back into the precious rubles yet Doll? 

[AkMike]

Do you remember how much grivna was "before"?
It got worse 3 times while ruble is more stable

You need to learn basic arithmetic!   

 Try again.

[BillyB]

Who do you think will be the first to break the cease fire? I believe that it will be Poroshenko (or whoever replaces him) because he will feel that he lost on Minsk 2 and will want to prove something.

As much as I don't trust Putin and skeptical the ceasefire will hold, I really believe it's possible we could have at least 30 days of peace. That is the amount time Ukraine must change their Constitution to allow rebel held territory more autonomy as required by the latest peace agreement. Ukraine's original Constitution said any change in it's borders has to be voted on by all people. That is why Crimea leaving was illegal. But with more autonomy, regions will be allowed to separate from Ukraine legally according to international law, become their own nation or allow themselves to be annexed by Russia. It may be to Russia's benefit to leave those regions in Ukraine which allows them to vote in Presidential elections so they can install another puppet president. It would be genius of Putin to engage in the latter to eventually annex all Ukraine or enter into a binding agreement between nations which doesn't allow Ukraine to leave Russia ever again. If he does that, he's going to come down hard on people to make sure they don't start Maidan 2.


It's beneficial for Putin to break ceasefires, not the West, if he doesn't like the wording or the way things are heading. If he keeps advancing, the next peace talk may have language in it that is more favorable to Russia. Russia still needs their land bridge to Crimea.

[fathertime]

Wow! For not being there it's 2.43 times better than Russia/

1 Ukrainian Hryvnia equals 2.43 Russian Ruble

That is NOT the way currencies are measured...If it were, then the dollar would be 26 times better than the Hryvnia and/or 63 times greater than the Ruble and 2382 times greater than the Colombian Peso....Doll is correct the Ruble has strengthened recently and the Hryvnia is weakening.


Fathertime! 

[AkMike]

As much as I don't trust Putin and skeptical the ceasefire will hold, I really believe it's possible we could have at least 30 days of peace.

  I bet that the shooting continues. Sunday will be telling.

[AkMike]

That is NOT the way currencies are measured...If it were, then the dollar would be 26 times better than the Hryvnia and/or 63 times greater than the Ruble and 2382 times greater than the Colombian Peso....Doll is correct the Ruble has strengthened recently and the Hryvnia is weakening.


Fathertime!

 In 1989 both used the Soviet Ruble. 

Since then the Russian version is currently at 63.35 to the dollar.

The UA hyrivna is at 26.10..


 Yes the hyrivna is falling ATM, but the ruble has a longer history of the devaluation and steeper.

[BillyB]

  I bet that the shooting continues. Sunday will be telling.

Greater autonomy for Ukrainian regions is HUGE for Russia. This is so big that Russians are in denial it will happen. Look at Belvis's post on that issue. He calls people naïve if they believe it's going to happen. Greater autonomy basically gives part or all Ukraine to Putin without a war. Putin may take that option if he likes the language. If he doesn't like what Ukraine's government types up, he will get back to war. What is 30 days? Putin has been patient so far in his conquest of Ukraine, waiting a month isn't going to hurt him.

[Boethius]

Russians forces involved in fierce fighting before deadline -
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/world/europe/ukraine-fighting-escalates-ahead-of-truce.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[fathertime]

In 1989 both used the Soviet Ruble. 

Since then the Russian version is currently at 63.35 to the dollar.

The UA hyrivna is at 26.10..


 Yes the hyrivna is falling ATM, but the ruble has a longer history of the devaluation and steeper.

Well going by your earlier logic, a loaf of bread, a pound of salt, or an English muffin should cost 2.43 times more in Russia vs Ukraine.   Is that the case?  I don't think the Raw numbers tell the story. The US dollar is worth 6.2 Chinese Yuan.  For most items we can't buy 6.2 times more in China then we can here for the same 1 dollar. 


Fathertime!

[AkMike]

Russians headed up from Crimean Penn.
http://hronika.info/videonovosti/47768-rossiya-styagivaet-bronetehniku-k-hersonskoy-oblasti-video.html

[AkMike]

A direct comparison, heads up against each other isn't good enough? 

The hyrivna should pick back up with aid from the IMF.  Russia won't get the chance from them.

[mendeleyev]

Russia has the same federal style constitution, but it has been gutted and rendered useless by executive actions. It would be classic for Poroshenko to say, "okay, we'll operate ours just as you do yours."

[mendeleyev]

As to this war being over, no. Only the really naive believe or hope that.

I posted this in another thread, but it needs to be understood, especially by those who post unintelligent and uniformed nonsense on the forum. So, here goes:


The Kremlin is increasingly beginning to air the idea that because the Cold War ended prematurely (in their view), and since there was no "Yalta" styled agreement between the CCCP and the West at the end of the Cold War, the result is that the issue of national boundaries are still "up for grabs" or unsettled.

Two official Kremlin publications have argued this in the more recent past.

- Russia Direct. (See my report on it here: http://russianreport.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/did-the-soviet-union-break-up-prematurely/)

- Russia Beyond The Headlines, (Russian political scientist Sergei Karaganov.) - Also published in the (London) Telegraph. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/rbth/opinion/10810159/ukraine-crisis-cold-war.html

Karaganov is no lightweight around Kremlin circles. When he writes, readers should take notice. He was an advisor to Boris Yeltsin, and he continues to advise Vladimir Putin. He is an advocate of sending Russian troops into the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to "protect" ethnic Russians in those nations.

In regards to the Kremlin's goals in this war with Ukraine, he writes about the Kremlin objectives:
"Among them is not just the reunion with Crimea or with other lands, which temporarily strengthens the legitimacy of its power. Its main aim is to end the unfinished Cold War which the West has de facto continued to lead and even to conclude a peace treaty on favourable terms."

Again, Karaganov is no outsider looking in. He has full access to President Putin.

[Doll]

You need to learn basic arithmetic!   

 Try again.

You need to learn basic  economy, dear

[Doll]

That is NOT the way currencies are measured...If it were, then the dollar would be 26 times better than the Hryvnia and/or 63 times greater than the Ruble and 2382 times greater than the Colombian Peso....Doll is correct the Ruble has strengthened recently and the Hryvnia is weakening.


Fathertime!

FT, please- it is what we call "American Math"

[Doll]

Karaganov may say anything but it is personal opinion. What he thinks is not what Putin is going to do.

[Doll]

Russians headed up from Crimean Penn.
http://hronika.info/videonovosti/47768-rossiya-styagivaet-bronetehniku-k-hersonskoy-oblasti-video.html

Where does it say that "Russians headed up from Crimean Penn"?

[Doll]

A direct comparison, heads up against each other isn't good enough? 

The hyrivna should pick back up with aid from the IMF.  Russia won't get the chance from them.

Хуривна рулз  ХХАХААААААААААААА

[fathertime]

FT, please- it is what we call "American Math"

well Doll I'd just call it silly math.


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

Little Green men in Florida

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[mendeleyev]

On page one of this thread, we showed how a video had been "doctored" to look as if presidents Lukashenko and Putin were fighting for a chair at the Minsk-2 talks. Of course, there was no such battle for a chair.

That has not stopped both sides from using the supposed "chair disagreement" for propaganda purposes. Russian TV continues to push the idea that Luka was disrespectful of Vlad. Meanwhile, Ukrainian TV has shown the video as an example of pushy Putin.

So (sigh), now there are cartoons over the non-event. 




One must admit that the characterizations of the various players are funny. On the top, Luka is seen keeping the chair from Vlad, all the while the Euro leaders are rushing to console the crying Vlad. In row two, Luka continues to keep the chair, but offers a hockey stick. Both men love, and both play, the game of hockey. At the far right, French Prez Hollande is offering those Mistral warships if Vlad will stop crying. The third row is a reaction to the bottom: The Minsk leaders are overcome with exasperation as Vlad, now holding the chair, declares that "The chair is ours!" which is a reference to his claims over Crimea, Ukraine, and other former Soviet republics.

[fathertime]

On page one of this thread, we showed how a video had been "doctored" to look as if presidents Lukashenko and Putin were fighting for a chair at the Minsk-2 talks. Of course, there was no such battle for a chair.

That has not stopped both sides from using the supposed "chair disagreement" for propaganda purposes. Russian TV continues to push the idea that Luka was disrespectful of Vlad. Meanwhile, Ukrainian TV has shown the video as an example of pushy Putin.

So (sigh), now there are cartoons over the non-event. 




One must admit that the characterizations of the various players are funny. On the top, Luka is seen keeping the chair from Vlad, all the while the Euro leaders are rushing to console the crying Vlad. In row two, Luka continues to keep the chair, but offers a hockey stick. Both men love, and both play, the game of hockey. At the far right, French Prez Hollande is offering those Mistral warships if Vlad will stop crying. The third row is a reaction to the bottom: The Minsk leaders are overcome with exasperation as Vlad, now holding the chair, declares that "The chair is ours!" which is a reference to his claims over Crimea, Ukraine, and other former Soviet republics.

The looks on Merkel and Hollande's faces are hilarious!


Fathertime!