Minsk, round two

[Изумруд]

The best country with best people is RUSSIA.
Remember it, son.

This is just a patriotic opinion:  for Russians, it Russia; for Americans, it's America; for Italians, it's Italy.... etc, etc

[Изумруд]

Is THIS one reliable for you?
Enjoy

http://www.president.gov.ua/ru/news/?cat=1

Where is the link on this site that says Ukraine broke the ceasefire?

[Изумруд]

They refer to Poroshenko's sources.

It says nothing about Ukraine breaking the ceasefire; morever, I was speaking about the original ceasefire in September.  At the moment there is no ceasefire.  That doesn't come into being until 15th.  Accepting armoured vechiles is not breaking a ceasefire.  meanwhile the 'sepratists' have increased the shelling and are advancing on new territory.

[AkMike]

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 Here's a more accurate map Doll. Feel free to have a bowl of soup while you check it out.

[Изумруд]

Untrue.  The majority of Ukrainians do not want war.   They don't want to send their sons, brothers, and husbands, to fight, but it has been a necessity.

This!

[Doll]

This is just a patriotic opinion:  for Russians, it Russia; for Americans, it's America; for Italians, it's Italy.... etc, etc

I agree
Not many nations will call the others worthless though

[Doll]

Where is the link on this site that says Ukraine broke the ceasefire?

Who said "broke" ? It is scheduled for Febr. 15th, today is 13th. Hello!

[AkMike]

Outraged Dutch fear that Minsk amnesty agreement will apply to those who shot down Malaysian Airlines MH17

(maybe they should have gotten involved with the talks )

The Dutch Parliament fears that those responsible for shooting down Malaysian Airlines MH17, an attack that killed 298 over the skies of war-torn eastern Ukraine, will be granted amnesty under the Minsk II peace agreement reached on Feb. 12.

One of the agreed points in the reached Minsk deal is to pardon those who may have committed a war crime in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. This particular point has caused political outrage in the Netherlands, which is leading the criminal investigation of the MH17 crash. It is feared that those responsible for downing MH17 could never be held legally liable.



http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/outraged-dutch-fear-that-minsk-amnesty-agreement-will-apply-to-those-who-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-380585.html

[Hammer2722]

Outraged Dutch fear that Minsk amnesty agreement will apply to those who shot down Malaysian Airlines MH17

(maybe they should have gotten involved with the talks )

The Dutch Parliament fears that those responsible for shooting down Malaysian Airlines MH17, an attack that killed 298 over the skies of war-torn eastern Ukraine, will be granted amnesty under the Minsk II peace agreement reached on Feb. 12.

One of the agreed points in the reached Minsk deal is to pardon those who may have committed a war crime in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. This particular point has caused political outrage in the Netherlands, which is leading the criminal investigation of the MH17 crash. It is feared that those responsible for downing MH17 could never be held legally liable.



http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/outraged-dutch-fear-that-minsk-amnesty-agreement-will-apply-to-those-who-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-380585.html

Doesn't really matter anyway as the Russians have no intention of honoring the recent Minsk agreement.....

[Gator]

Just for you- it is MY country and I am not selling it.
What part don't you understand? You are not American, you can think.
Do you understand "Motherland"? No matter what.

     The best country with best people is RUSSIA.
Remember it, son.       

Given this, why did you come to America in the first place?    And once here why did you not soon return to Russia?

My wife is Russian, and she IMO embodies Russian soul in many ways.  Although she has been just over three years, and misses her friends, family, language.... she considers America her home forever.  Her 26-yo daughter feels the same.  I attempted to talk to her about moving to different countries when her son graduates.   She will not even start the conversation., saying only AMERIKA!

[Doll]

Given this, why did you come to America in the first place?    And once here why did you not soon return to Russia?

My wife is Russian, and she IMO embodies Russian soul in many ways.  Although she has been just over three years, and misses her friends, family, language.... she considers America her home forever.  Her 26-yo daughter feels the same.  I attempted to talk to her about moving to different countries when her son graduates.   She will not even start the conversation., saying only AMERIKA!

I married an American.
My younger son grew up here and this is his country by now.
I am not your wife.

[Gator]

I married an American.

Is he returning with you to Russia?

My younger son grew up here and this is his country by now.

Ah, he is thinking for himself.  Good young man. 

[Изумруд]

Who said "broke" ? It is scheduled for Febr. 15th, today is 13th. Hello!

Doll, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I had already written this:

It says nothing about Ukraine breaking the ceasefire; morever, I was speaking about the original ceasefire in September.  At the moment there is no ceasefire.  That doesn't come into being until 15th. Accepting armoured vechiles is not breaking a ceasefire.  meanwhile the 'sepratists' have increased the shelling and are advancing on new territory.

[Faux Pas]

Outraged Dutch fear that Minsk amnesty agreement will apply to those who shot down Malaysian Airlines MH17

(maybe they should have gotten involved with the talks )

The Dutch Parliament fears that those responsible for shooting down Malaysian Airlines MH17, an attack that killed 298 over the skies of war-torn eastern Ukraine, will be granted amnesty under the Minsk II peace agreement reached on Feb. 12.

One of the agreed points in the reached Minsk deal is to pardon those who may have committed a war crime in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. This particular point has caused political outrage in the Netherlands, which is leading the criminal investigation of the MH17 crash. It is feared that those responsible for downing MH17 could never be held legally liable.



http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/outraged-dutch-fear-that-minsk-amnesty-agreement-will-apply-to-those-who-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-380585.html

If the Dutch don't sign the agreement there is no amnesty for MH17

[AkMike]

I wouldn't bet on that..

[Faux Pas]

I wouldn't bet on that..

Makes me no difference where you lay your bets Mike. The U.S. and Germany could try to strong arm The Netherlands into compliance but, the crime was committed against The Netherlands. It's their call of any amnesty is to be granted for that offense

[lordtiberius]

When Poroshenko tries to sell Minsk2 to the rest of Ukraine there's going to be a lot of unhappy people because no one likes to lose and they will blame him. If he survives that he will be under tremendous pressure to correct this. All Putin has to do is play it cool and not be the first to break the cease fire. This will make Poroshenko the aggressor and will give Putin the green light for any and all responses. This will be War2.

Now this I agree with, with one caveat, personally I don't think Poroshenko is to blame.  After all, who are his allies?  While Putin counts Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and Obama among his greatest apologists.

Let's play this post back in two weeks and see where we are......   

How many Ukrainians must die for you to consider Minsk2 a success or failure?  Just curious

Untrue.  The majority of Ukrainians do not want war.   They don't want to send their sons, brothers, and husbands, to fight, but it has been a necessity.

What, exactly, have they lost?

 

a US Arms shipment

I hope I am wrong on that point.

Let us pray for peace.

Hopefully one of you cruds didn't steal it.

You mad bro?

Outraged Dutch fear that Minsk amnesty agreement will apply to those who shot down Malaysian Airlines MH17

(maybe they should have gotten involved with the talks )

The Dutch Parliament fears that those responsible for shooting down Malaysian Airlines MH17, an attack that killed 298 over the skies of war-torn eastern Ukraine, will be granted amnesty under the Minsk II peace agreement reached on Feb. 12.

One of the agreed points in the reached Minsk deal is to pardon those who may have committed a war crime in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. This particular point has caused political outrage in the Netherlands, which is leading the criminal investigation of the MH17 crash. It is feared that those responsible for downing MH17 could never be held legally liable.



http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/outraged-dutch-fear-that-minsk-amnesty-agreement-will-apply-to-those-who-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-380585.html

Good point

Doesn't really matter anyway as the Russians have no intention of honoring the recent Minsk agreement.....

Damn.  True True

Makes me no difference where you lay your bets Mike. The U.S. and Germany could try to strong arm The Netherlands into compliance but, the crime was committed against The Netherlands. It's their call of any amnesty is to be granted for that offense

yeah, agree [smh]

[sleepycat]

Worthless? HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The best country with best people is RUSSIA.
Remember it, son.

Care to remind us how the rubble rouble has fared against the USD & Euro over the last 12 months? 

[Doll]

Care to remind us how the rubble rouble has fared against the USD & Euro over the last 12 months? 

So?
It doesn't make any country worthless

[AkMike]

So?
It doesn't make any country worthless

 The countries no,,The population no.

Their governments yes.

[Doll]

Care to remind us how the rubble rouble has fared against the USD & Euro over the last 12 months? 

http://www.prostobank.ua/spravochniki/kursy_valyut/(cur)/USD

[AkMike]

Evade and deflect again?

[Boethius]

http://www.prostobank.ua/spravochniki/kursy_valyut/(cur)/USD

How is that relevant to his post?

[Doll]

How is that relevant to his post?

We are talking of national currency. If with this ruble Russia is "worthless' then Ukraine is no longer there.

[Boethius]

Where would you expect the currency of a country at war to be?