The difference between RW and AW

[Turboguy]

Personally I find Momma D's posts interesting and informative.  I am glad she is posting here.   I think if you start thinking in terms of who should be posting and who should not be posting you are going places that you should never go. 

[TigerPaws]

Lets touch on the "Trophy Wife" aspect of why we (men) go to the FSU in order to find a lady,

 I hope most who read and post on forums like this know and understand the basic reasons we go to the FSU in the search for a lady. But what about the reasons we do not talk openly about? After all what is wrong with wanting a young, beautiful, sexy and intelligent wife who has more traditional values? What is wrong with wanting to be with a lady who knows how to dress nicely and take care of her appearance? What is wrong with having a "Trophy Wife" if both people are happy?

 Quite honestly when I started my search I was 44 with 2 teen age children, my prospects of finding a beatiful 25 year old lady in northern California who wanted to settle to a quiet home life were extremily slim (non existant would be more like it). Why should a man have to compromise for a worn out feminist in the throws of mentapause when there are other options?

[Admin]

Lets touch on the "Trophy Wife" aspect of why we (men) go to the FSU in order to find a lady,

TigerPaws,

That (Trophy Wife) is probably a great topic starter. You might want to post a new topic with that title, and see if others agree (or disagree) with you.

- Dan

[anono]

i'm not claiming these following facts have anything to do with me but i have also been exposed to long marriages. i'm not sure what mommad is trying to say but i'm reading with an open mind.

my maternal grandparents met at an edwardville-collinsville basketball game at the turn of last century. she was 14 and could not date until she turned 16. mt grandfather wrote to her on her 16th birthday, asking her out. they were married 63 years until his death at 89. she lived to age 99 1/2 and had her full wits about her until the day she died. by the way, "looking for RW" she looked many years less than her age and i have video, if you watched it, you would think 70's and be in disbelief that she was 99. genes have a lot to do with how we age and all people do not look exactly their age.

my paternal grandparents were married until death as well. there were no divorces among their children (my mom and dad, aunts and uncles). it wasn't until my generation that there was a divorce.

what does it mean today and to me or about me, if anything? who knows. i've never been married and one of the criteria that runs through my head when i've contemplated marriage was "could i live with this person the rest of my life as well as remain monogamous?" so far the answer has been no, obviously.

do i hold out hope after all these years? i'm still looking.

[anono]

mommad, you could easily fit in in any of my family photos... you have that look about you, of contentment and happiness.

you look like a white "nadine", the black lady who cleaned our house, my aunts and grandparents houses for nearly 60 years. this is a compliment and i will explain. nadine was a part of our family. her children and my brothers and sisters all grew up together in this small but very historical southern IL town. (five or seven governors of IL grew up here).

nadine is my mothers age (77) but they went to a segregated high school in the '40's. i had a hard time comprehending how this could be just a little more than 10 years before i was born...

my mother married a dashing young lawyer, my uncle was a war hero, piloting P-47 thunderbolts, shooting down two messerscmidts before being shot down himself and being imprisoned at the same camp where the "great escape" happened. JFK was his classmate at harvard before the war and before PT-109. he went on to become states attorney and my dad was his assistant. my younger brother is now the current state's attorney of the same county.

nadine was a like a second mother to use boys growing up. we were raised in a household without prejudice. my father died in a sports car at a young age and was not able to join my uncle in the freedom marches in selma and on the capitol. i still see her sometimes when i run into her at the grocery store. anyway, you resemble this fine woman.

now i better say something on topic. i have to agree with some of the posters above when it comes to why we do this. it is not the age difference. i think that is more peripheral to the main reasons we go. i think it is the attitude and demeanor of the russian woman.  AW are uncivil, feel they can say whatever they want without consequence. i have been likened to an axe murderer, serial killer, and because i own a video production company, a pornographer. all by AW who say they are just being "funny". most foreign men who go to the FSU stop dating the women at home and age has less to do with it that the attitude. the women in the FSU, generally, have more class, education, personality, more direct, play less games, are not disrespectful, do not expect respect without earning it..  i can go on but the men here who have been there know what i mean....

[Dave_home]

[KenC]

 Why should a man have to compromise for a worn out feminist in the throws of mentapause when there are other options?

 

When the "alternative" is the beautiful woman in the photo, it becomes a "no brainer".  When you add in to the equation, education, culture, class and femininity, you would have to be brain dead not to choose the woman in the photo.

KenC

[anono]

da da da!

[JamesTee]

Whenever I mention that I'm looking for a "trophy," I usually get the lecture that I'm looking for a wife for all the wrongs reasons. Maybe so, maybe not. My question is, is there so many young, hot women in Russia or Ukraine anymore? I doubt it and I don't want to spend the money to go there just to spend time in my hotel room. I admit I have not traveled to Russia or Ukraine and all I know is what I read on these boards and what I hear from tour company owners.  I'm 37 and I'm told that I would have no problem finding what I'm looking for - an abundance of attractive women in their early 20s. With so many American men, not to mention European and Russian/Ukrainian men) to compete with, I'm not so sure it's worth the effort.

[KenC]

James,

Save your time and money.  All the hot youg women have left Russia.:?

KenC

[TigerPaws]

KenC,

 Now be nice, there is more than enough ladies in Russia to go around. LOL.

 

[Dave_home]

Whenever I mention that I'm looking for a "trophy," I usually get the lecture that I'm looking for a wife for all the wrongs reasons. Maybe so, maybe not. My question is, is there so many young, hot women in Russia or Ukraine anymore? I doubt it and I don't want to spend the money to go there just to spend time in my hotel room. I admit I have not traveled to Russia or Ukraine and all I know is what I read on these boards and what I hear from tour company owners.  I'm 37 and I'm told that I would have no problem finding what I'm looking for - an abundance of attractive women in their early 20s. With so many American men, not to mention European and Russian/Ukrainian men) to compete with, I'm not so sure it's worth the effort.

 

Oh James! It's worth the effort!!!  If you could just see Kiev, or Kharkov, Ukraine! I went to Kharkov my first trip to meet the girl I had been corresponding with for a year... we wrote to each other on our own, no agencies, no go betweens at all, she could speak english well enough for me and her to speak over the phone with no problems. When I arrived to her, got off the plane and walked through the doors at Boryspol airport in Kiev I saw her right away! she was even more beautiful than in the pictures she sent to me! She was the girl that was jumping up waving her hand as she saw me.... ran to me and kissed me. wow I was a little bit intimidated at her beauty, but quickly got used to it...:-)  The weird thing I couldn't get over was when we would walk through the local parks, there were so many young, hot looking women all dressed sexy! with make up well done, and they had the legs and the cleavege to show off too!  I was a kid in a candy store, only I had to pretend NOT to notice with a beauty holding my arm walking with me. She was no slouch herself!  She even commented to me: "Dave, Look top model! "  and pointed to a very sexy looking girl, I said: " Oh, Yes I see, " like I hadn't noticed? hahaha  but she knew I noticed..... she laughed at me and said: " you are clever boy!"  Hey I didn't notice much American men at all while I was there, and didn't see any European men either,  there really aren't as many as you think there are.  I was even at 2 local agencies and met the staff of both and spent  some time at both as my lady had friends at both agencies , I saw 3 or 4 local beauties walk in , hand in their photos and profiles to these agencies. I saw 2 Italian men come in to look through the photo books of available women... they could speak only Italian.... so agency staff could not understand very much about what they said as they spoke Russian, Ukrainian, and English . You just can't imagine unless you go there, but you woudn't be disappointed.  I'll try and attach photo of my girl below.  Dave

[KenC]

KenC

[JamesTee]

Ken,

 You need to check the attitude, DUDE!

[JamesTee]

KenC,

I don't know you, but I know myself, and if you can bag one women, I'm sure I would have a choice of hundreds, maybe thousands  You seem like a real negative person and this board has had it's share.  From what I have read from your postings, you have nothing contructive to offer anyone.

[Admin]

KenC,

I don't know you, but I know myself, and if you can bag one women, I'm sure I would have a choice of hundreds, maybe thousands:) You seem like a real negative person and this board has had it's share. From what I have read from your postings, you have nothing contructive to offer anyone.

James,

I have known Ken for - oh boy, I guess it is about 4 or 5 years now. Met him and his lovely wife in person, in fact.

Ken, like a lot of us, can be a bit grouchy at times - though it is pretty unusual for him. However, you are completely mistaken with your comment about him not being constructive. I agree that his comments to you had some barbs on them - and am not entirely sure why (some history elsewhere maybe?), but I assure you that Ken is among the most helpful guys anywhere.

FWIW

- Dan

[KenC]

(1)Whenever I mention that I'm looking for a "trophy," I usually get the lecture that I'm looking for a wife for all the wrongs reasons. Maybe so, maybe not. My question is, is there so many young, hot women in Russia or Ukraine anymore?(2) I doubt it and I don't want to spend the money to go there just to spend time in my hotel room. (3)I admit I have not traveled to Russia or Ukraine and all I know is what I read on these boards and what I hear from tour company owners.  I'm 37 and I'm told that I would have no problem finding what I'm looking for - an abundance of attractive women in their early 20s. With so many American men, not to mention European and Russian/Ukrainian men) to compete with, I'm not so sure it's worth the effort.

(1) At 37 you should be able to understand why "trophy wife" is a derogatory term for both the man and the woman, yet you appear clueless.

(2) Even though you have been told differently, you doubt that there are any hot women in the fsu. (negative)  You don't want to waste your money.  (another negative outlook)

(3) Even though you admit you have no basis for your negative opinion, you still manage to dreg up a new one: too much competition.

And you say I am negative?  What do you want for a response?  Maybe some of the agency owners will blow in your ear and hold your hand to make it all better for you, but I won't.  I found your post to be immature and whimpy.  I have a clue for you, RW like manly men, not momma's boys.  Grow a set and take charge!  At 37 you are letting life pass you by because of excuses.  The facts remain that there thousands of beautiful marriage minded women in the fsu.  It is up to you, to make the best of any trip over.  There is a lot less competition from men that actually visit the fsu.  Most just write and never go.  I wish you the best, but it is you that has to change your attitude not me.  I have gone, met the love of my life and am living my dream.  I refused to sit and make excuses for inaction.  Try it.  It may work for you.

KenC

[Dave_home]

KenC,

I don't know you, but I know myself, and if you can bag one women, I'm sure I would have a choice of hundreds, maybe thousands  You seem like a real negative person and this board has had it's share.  From what I have read from your postings, you have nothing contructive to offer anyone.

James, 

 Where did this come from? , di d you drink a can of instant confidence?  first you say you think you'd be "stuck" in your hotel room if you went to FSU country...  and then magically after someone addresses your negative post, you turn around 180' and proclaim you could have "hundreds" or "thousands" of women if you went? hahaha make up your mind :-)  just GO and you   won't have to speculate, and comparing yourself to others who have actually gone and had success is rather silly isn't it?  We just tried to "encourage" you when you speculate about what is actually in FSU countries because  we have "Been there" and seen, experienced it.  give it a try, or ask questions of those who have done it, but don't try to convince anyone here negative beliefs to the contrary of what we have actually seen for ourselves.   good luck  Dave

[anono]

this thread isn't worth jumping in on other than to agree 100% with:

thousands of beautiful marriage minded women in the fsu.  It is up to you, to make the best of any trip over.  There is a lot less competition from men that actually visit the fsu.  Most just write and never go.

 

[Scott Jay]

[user=101]Dave_home[/user] wrote:

she laughed at me and said: " you are clever boy!"  . . .I'll try and attach photo of my girl below.  Dave

Dave - after viewing the photo I can affirm that you are, indeed, a clever man!

[Maxx]

My first post!

I know Ken from another board. He knows his stuff. He knows how to do it right but I am the "Master of Disaster", the Ying to his Yang.

James one could go over there and come back with a 747 Jumbo Jet filled with RW if they would all be issued visas at the departing gate. That's the easy part. Finding one that will love you and be a devoted wife till death do you part is the trick.  

Maxx

 

 

[Jack]

Hello Maxx, you think Ken knows his stuff?  You think Ken knows how to choose a fine wife? Well,...................your right.
 
Welcome to the RWD Maxx, hope to read many more post's from you.

[LP]

Nah, I said I wouldn't...

[cameraguy]

Lets touch on the "Trophy Wife" aspect of why we (men) go to the FSU in order to find a lady,

I hope most who read and post on forums like this know and understand the basic reasons we go to the FSU in the search for a lady. But what about the reasons we do not talk openly about? After all what is wrong with wanting a young, beautiful, sexy and intelligent wife who has more traditional values? What is wrong with wanting to be with a lady who knows how to dress nicely and take care of her appearance? What is wrong with having a "Trophy Wife" if both people are happy?

Quite honestly when I started my search I was 44 with 2 teen age children, my prospects of finding a beatiful 25 year old lady in northern California who wanted to settle to a quiet home life were extremily slim (non existant would be more like it). Why should a man have to compromise for a worn out feminist in the throws of mentapause when there are other options?

Sounds good to me, but there are pitfalls that we should consider
and take our chances with those obstacles. When I'm 70, Larisa
will only be 47. Two different generations living together will
present some problems, but problems are just a part of life
anyway. Right now, I'm alone. Being with a young vivacious
loving woman may be a big improvement in my life,(or yours)
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I've dated AW and often
they have kids and that can be a major obstacle. One child
sabotaged my relationship, just as a natural reaction to a
new 'father'. The single AW I've dated are often very independent
to the point of being competitive and aggressive. Ocassionally
I've met a classic feminine supportive type, but they're usually
taken - married. With a RW, there are those classic feminine
qualities that allow a man to be the 'leader' while she is the
'home base'. RW often embrace their feminity while AW often
see it as a detriment or weakness, a la 'feminism'.
As for the 'trophy' situation, yes, you'll have your local friends
and community looking at the two of you and thinking, 'trophy wife'.
That could bother you, or not. It's up to you. It's natural for any
woman to marry upward, financially. So in the US, you have
the most beautiful woman looking for a lawyer or doctor or
CEO or whatever, as a way to be financially secure. Beautiful
women in Russia or Ukraine do the same thing by finding
a foreign guy with financial stability, a stability they lack at home.
I imagine that a certain percentage of gorgeous RW, after spending
years in their new country, could become like a natural born
AW, and see the financial opportunities of being a beautiful
woman. She could leave you or me for a richer guy.
Theoretically. I never hear about that scenario. When I email
Larisa I stress the importance of loyalty and devotion, hoping
to avert that scenario. Finding a woman you can trust is the
bottom line. (in addition to love)  Also, I have to add that
finances isn't the main concern for many women, although they
all need stability and security.  -doug

[tim 360]

[user=107][shadow=blue]Time Out, James T. Ken C has the wherewithal to know what he is talking about. On the other hand...you don't. I see no reason for you to bash him at all, in point of fact he has alot to offer. With your attitude displayed here ...I doubt your self-proclaimed "bagging" skills.[/shadow]JamesTee[/user] wrote:

KenC,

I don't know you, but I know myself, and if you can bag one women, I'm sure I would have a choice of hundreds, maybe thousands  You seem like a real negative person and this board has had it's share.  From what I have read from your postings, you have nothing contructive to offer anyone.