Visit One or Visit Many

[2tallbill]

What strategy fits you best? if you've tried different things which one did you like best?
If you have a different option that I didn't mention please explain

[Larry1]

I'm a "visit one" guy. When I have been able to spend a reasonable amount of time getting to know the girl before my visit and have been able to develop some rapport with her this approach has been successful for me. The one time that I had to rush and visit the girl before I saw signs of that rapport my trip failed.

I disagree with the guys who say that skype calls mean little. I have sometimes been able to move things along very nicely through skype, so that the first day of our trip isn't like a first date.

The WOVO approach is risky, and pretty much all of the risk is on the guy. If I had a friend who was beginning this search I might recommend that he seriously consider a WMVM approach.

[2tallbill]

I'm a "visit one" guy.

So did you vote da ili nyet on the backup plan?

[Larry1]

So did you vote da ili nyet on the backup plan?

Most of the time I visited one girl and had no backups. On my last trip I realized the riskiness of that approach and was left scrambling for backups after things went South with the girl I visited. I went online and set up several dates, but there was typically a longish lag time between the time I sent a girl a message and actually meeting up with her. Out of the three girls I went out with, one didn't like me, one I didn't like, and the third seemed like she might have been a match for me. The problem was that I didn't meet her until about 24 hours before my plane was due to leave. She gave me a mini-tour of the city and we had dinner and spent the last evening together and she took me to the airport the next day.

I voted for visit one with backup plans.

[Anathema]

My personality fits the WOVO approach more.  I've only ever gone with the intent to visit one girl but my first trip I actually had dates with three.

[2tallbill]

I voted visit one with a backup plan. Here is why

While I am totally comfortable with either strategy, I figure if I am going
to head half way around the world why don't I do it to meet a particular
girl?

Back when I was searching, I couldn't go more often than every 3-4 months
and that is sufficient time to write a zillion girls, distill the list down to one
and build the beginning of a relationship with them.

Some times I arrived and things worked out great only to fall apart later on.
Other times I arrived and we didn't have chemistry so I went out and met
other FSUW and turned my trip into a visit many.

[2tallbill]

I've made a bunch of trips with different strategies. 

Trip One Odessa, I met only one girl and we had an ok time then she tried to scam me.
Trip Two and Three I went to Kiev to meet a number of girls things went very weird, one
girl I met had used 10 year old photos back when she was 15-20 kilos less heavy, another
turned out to be a proshopper, one girl was so so (who needs so-so girls?). Another girl
liked me then dumped me without explaining why. I met another girl who I caught in a
series of lies and when she realized that I on to her she hit me up for some taxi grivna
and disappeared.

Trip Four to Lugansk. I met one girl (too young) and things went fantastic, we really hit it
off, when I got home she disappeared and came up with a goofy story that I didn't believe
involving hospitals, transfusions, a crazy exhusband blah, blah, blah. I didn't buy it and she
was history.

Trip Five to St Petersburg, short story is I went to visit a girl who was sooooooooo cute but
far too young for me for New Years in St Petersburg. She decided that she would spend New Years
with her family and I was on my own and that she would meet back with me on the 3rd or 4th
of January. So I dumped her and converted my trip to a visit many trip scrambling around making
dates. Trip report filed here http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

During this time I dated a number of FSU girls in the Bay Area including one who lived several hours
away in Northern California. I visited her every weekend for about 6 months but things fell apart.

Trip 6 to Dnepropetrovsk to meet only one girl I met on LuckyLovers.net things went
great however they eventually fell apart while I was in the USA. She is married now and living
in the USA.

Trip 7 to Tblisi Georgia to meet only one girl that I met on MySpace.com Some people don't
know this but I started a MySpace page and made friends with over 1100 girls from the FSU.
This girl had the prettiest eyes out of all of them and her sister was stunning as well.

After a couple of days I realized that there was no future with this girl with hypnotic eyes, so I
tried to meet girls. This proved to be nearly impossible. I asked over a hundred girls out and
managed only dates with girls who already knew me from MySpace. Georgia is impossible,
imagine Saudi Arabia where the girls are separated from the men and you have to meet the
family first, then go out on dates with chaperons. It was nearly like that. 

I had a few American girlfriends and then I met another girl on LuckyLovers.net who actually
had an American tourist visa (honestly no scam) we met in Portland Oregon, but unfortunately
we didn't have mutual chemistry so I left her to her own devices and went home.

Trip 8 to Voronezh I found a tall beautiful woman on Elena's models and went to visit her.
We had a good time however she proved to be very high maintenance and we broke up. So I went
straight to the internet cafe and started making dates for myself. Soon I found a girl with dazzling
eyes that I was sure were photoshopped, and I asked her out for coffee. She agreed and when I met
her, I thought immediately that she might be the girl that I had been searching for all these years.

Trip 9, 10, 11 Back to Voronezh In a year I had returned to meet Angel eyes three more
times in Voronezh then I arranged for a tourist visa for her to meet me twice. We got married and
you've just read the Cliff Notes version of the story of my search.

As you can see many times on a visit one trip things go to crap. A girl who I had been talking with
daily on Skype and we meet and it's not going to work out, so I have a backup plan to meet other
girls. I met my wife using my backup plan.

Udachi!


Bill

[msmobyone]

You know my answer, Beel.

You might say it's because I'm closer - being in Europe .. I once tried dating 2 women in one FSUW city during one visit and the juggling act did my head in 

I simply prefer to concentrate on one lady and don't travel unless I know we'll hit it off

PS to reach my former wife took a min of 16 hours from door to door - normally 20 - and there's no direct flights to Sochi - quickest there is 18 hours door to door 

[2tallbill]

You know my answer, Beel.

Sure, I know your answer, and you know that I'm married I and don't need
your answer. I was asking so that the newbies could get a variety of opinions
and perspectives on this. The more you or I elaborate the better information
for the newbies to form their own opinions.

Udachi!

Bill

[Anathema]

Great stories, Bill.  I'm so happy it all worked out for you; you were one determined man!

Reading your journey and Don's though, I'm starting to realize that I don't share that same level of determination... 

[ML]

WMVM is the only way to go.

Spend time with 12-15 gals during a month trip.

I had no trouble at all coordinating this many.

Some of best years of my life.

Would do it all again the same way, if I were to go back in time.

But wouldn't do anything if I were single now, as I am tired of traveling.

[msmobyone]

WMVM is the only way to go.

...For YOU .. may be 

If you get some sort of 'thrill' from being sat oppositie many differnt ladies - allocating time slots... over a short period of time   

It also depends on the lady. My ex-wife rejected those who were on vm trips as 'not serious' 

There's no right way, just what works for both the man and the lady.

[Faux Pas]

Visit one with a back up plan. I've dated multiple AW numerous times and every time with disastrous results. I didn't want to risk that on a trip to the FSU. Plan for success and allow it to happen is my advice. Besides, history teaches me I'm not a good enough liar to make it work.

[ML]

being sat oppositie many differnt ladies - allocating time slots... over a short period of time 

I never sat opposite . . . allocating time slots . . . over a short period of time.

You are assuming I worked through an agency and had tea with multiple women during one day.

Never did it.  Never once worked with an agency.

Spent entire afternoon and evening with only one gal for first dates.

[2tallbill]

Visit one with a back up plan. I've dated multiple AW numerous times and every time with disastrous results. I didn't want to risk that on a trip to the FSU. Plan for success and allow it to happen is my advice. Besides, history teaches me I'm not a good enough liar to make it work.

NOTE: This is only my opinion and although I strongly believe I am right
it's still just an opinion. If anyone disagrees with it feel free to explain your
differences. Everyone has to do what they believe will work for them.

The biggest mistake is using visit one tactics on a visit many trip.

With a visit one trip you write many letters. On a visit many trip you write one
letter, two at the most. You just want to meet them for coffee.

With a visit many trip you just want to meet the girl (not date the girl), unless she
turns out absolutely fantastic with mutual chemistry, and knocks your socks off 
you never date the girl again. So what you are doing is arranging a few dozen coffee
meet and greets. Your number one goal is to measure mutual chemistry.

Many men (goofballs) screw this up. They write several letters to several women
and then try to manage them. You can't manage several FSUW. This is self destructive,
FSUW are too smart to let you get away with this. Then the goofballs have second
dates with girls who didn't knock their socks off. You don't want a girl who doesn't
knock your socks off so don't date her again! 

Visit many goofballs will often meet a hot girl, she will be so-so interested in them
and they will ask her on a second date. You don't want a so-so girl, so why don't
be a goofball and waste your time on a so-so girl? Goofballs stupidly think that the
so-so hot girl will suddenly see the light and be hot for them. This isn't Hollywood,
move on! Goofballs will date a so-so girl again because they have a hole in their
time schedule.

So-so girls are for dumping, not for a hole in your schedule. You should only date 
a super girl with mutual chemistry more than once. If you have a hold in your
schedule then you get on the computer and write 20-30-40 or more girls and get
more first meetings set up. 

You meet a girl and unless she is amazing you kick her to the curb. You want an
amazing girl. Why the hell would you go all the way to Russia if you didn't
want an amazing girl? 

Once you find an amazing girl that you have mutual chemistry with then you need
to monopolize your time with her. If she can't meet you again until next week then
you don't have the chemistry you thought you did so you kick her to the curb.

In a visit many trip you have to be ruthless, you kick girls to the curb because you
don't want to waste your time. The sooner the girl hits the curb the sooner she can
find a good man for herself. Don't waste another moment of your time or hers.

An hot eye candy girl is kicked to the curb unless her eyes light up when they see
you. If her eyes don't light up then you kick her to the curb.

If you want to write many letters to many girls and try to be vague about meeting
them (fsuw don't do vague) and have several dates with each of them then you are
(a goofball) and going to run into a bunch of problems. The best girls will take
themselves out of the running and you are going to be dating a bunch of mediocre
girls again and again.

So lets review how (in my not at all humble opinion) to do a visit many trip.
1. You write one letter to the girl. Two letters only under duress.
2. You meet the girl for coffee.
3. Unless this girl knocks your socks off and seems very interested in you she
gets kicked to the curb.
4. NEVER date her again
5. meet another girl or write letters to meet another girl
6. When you find a super girl pursue her.
7. Kick all liars, cheats etc to the curb
8. Any girl who is not a super girl is a reject girl. Repeat after me KICK HER TO THE CURB!
9. Don't be a goofball
10. Rinse and repeat 1-9 until you find a super girl.

[2tallbill]

Great stories, Bill.  I'm so happy it all worked out for you; you were one determined man!

Reading your journey and Don's though, I'm starting to realize that I don't share that same level of determination... 

I made many dumb mistakes early on. I should have never visited
the too young girls. I should have never used Russian Love match
to meet girls. I should have made plans for my two trips to Kiev,
rather than just gone there on a lark. You don't have to make
my mistakes.

I spent a lot of time thinking about what I did right and what I did
wrong. I improved my tactics as I went along. I was very determined,
and I know a bit about you and I think you are fairly determined as well.
Anybody who can drill a hole two miles deep in the ground when
it's 20 below zero, hours from civilization while romancing a girl half
way around the world has some determination.

Udachi!

Bill

[Anathema]

Great post, Bill. I've read your same advice multiple times before but it's good to be reminded again.  If only I could stop from being a goofball... 

[ML]

NOTE: This is only my opinion and although I strongly believe I am right it's still just an opinion.

With a visit one trip you write many letters. On a visit many trip you write one letter, two at the most. You just want to meet them for coffee.

With a visit many trip you just want to meet the girl (not date the girl), unless she turns out absolutely fantastic with mutual chemistry, and knocks your socks off you never date the girl again. So what you are doing is arranging a few dozen coffee meet and greets. Your number one goal is to measure mutual chemistry.

Many men (goofballs) screw this up. They write several letters to several women and then try to manage them. You can't manage several FSUW. This is self destructive,
FSUW are too smart to let you get away with this.

Good that someone wants to revisit some old arguments, so that we have a different topic to discuss.

First let me say that Bill is totally wrong!  :-))

He is wrong because he doesn't understand the right way to do WMVM; and the right way is my way.

Second, you don't write one message to each gal and try to arrange a coffee meet.  You write 6-8 messages to each gal spread over 6 weeks.  You start out writing to a hundred or more gals who meet most of your screening criteria.  You winnow the list of gals down each week and end up with 15-20 at the beginning of your trip.

You DO manage the FSUW.  You tell each of them the day that you will meet with them.  You tell them that you won't just meet after their work or on a weekend day.  You tell them that they MUST take an afternoon off from work to meet with you.  You tell them that you will NOT discuss at all other women past present or future and that you will not discuss their men past present or future.

Of course some will not like this.  They will be part of the 100 or so that gets cut out before you end up with your 15-20.

You don't just meet for coffee.  You take each gal to a nice restaurant for a pleasant mid afternoon meal.  Then you go for walks, visits to parks, museums and perhaps an evening concert, ballet, etc.  You even invite them back to your apartment and most all will go.  There, you have some wine, fruits, cheese, etc., show pics, listen to music, do some dancing,   Some will want to get very intimate and some will not.

The gals have put some effort into this (although only a fraction of the effort that you have) and have agreed to take an afternoon off from work.  So you don't just drop them when you feel no immediate chemistry.  You spend the afternoon being gracious and pleasant.  If no great chemistry, then you don't extend the date into the evening or certainly don't invite them to your apartment.  The exception about spending all afternoon with them is when they are argumentative about everything (yes, it happens) or are otherwise very unpleasant.

Positive chemistry is not always immediate; although negative chemistry probably is.  A coffee meeting doesn't really reveal much.

Look here for more:  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[LiveFromUkraine]

Good that someone wants to revisit some old arguments, so that we have a different topic to discuss.

First let me say that Bill is totally wrong!  :-))

He is wrong because he doesn't understand the right way to do WMVM; and the right way is my way.

Second, you don't write one message to each gal and try to arrange a coffee meet.  You write 6-8 messages to each gal spread over 6 weeks.  You start out writing to a hundred or more gals who meet most of your screening criteria.  You winnow the list of gals down each week and end up with 15-20 at the beginning of your trip.

You DO manage the FSUW.  You tell each of them the day that you will meet with them.  You tell them that you won't just meet after their work or on a weekend day.  You tell them that they MUST take an afternoon off from work to meet with you.  You tell them that you will NOT discuss at all other women past present or future and that you will not discuss their men past present or future.

Of course some will not like this.  They will be part of the 100 or so that gets cut out before you end up with your 15-20.

You don't just meet for coffee.  You take each gal to a nice restaurant for a pleasant mid afternoon meal.  Then you go for walks, visits to parks, museums and perhaps an evening concert, ballet, etc.  You even invite them back to your apartment and most all will go.  There, you have some wine, fruits, cheese, etc., show pics, listen to music, do some dancing,   Some will want to get very intimate and some will not.

The gals have put some effort into this (although only a fraction of the effort that you have) and have agreed to take an afternoon off from work.  So you don't just drop them when you feel no immediate chemistry.  You spend the afternoon being gracious and pleasant.  If no great chemistry, then you don't extend the date into the evening or certainly don't invite them to your apartment.  The exception about spending all afternoon with them is when they are argumentative about everything (yes, it happens) or are otherwise very unpleasant.

Positive chemistry is not always immediate; although negative chemistry probably is.  A coffee meeting doesn't really reveal much.

Look here for more:  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

I could see your approach back in the day where you guys used snail mail and there was no Skype type apps.  I can't see why you would do that now while you can connect with them much easier over the internet.


For the record, I am not for or against either of them.

[ML]

I could see your approach back in the day where you guys used snail mail and there was no Skype type apps.  I can't see why you would do that now while you can connect with them much easier over the internet.


For the record, I am not for or against either of them.

I have never used snail mail to correspond with FSUW.
Email all the way.
And, as I said, I limited the emails to 6 weeks of weekly emails with perhaps a couple of extra just before departure when finalizing meeting plans.
No time for Skyping when you are dealing with 100+ women.
Skyping comes later when you are planning second visits.

[msmobyone]

You are assuming I worked through an agency and had tea with multiple women during one day.

I assuredly assumed no such thing  - concerning agencies...

Spent entire afternoon and evening with only one gal for first dates.

Simple maths suggsts that left you two weeks to whittle down the final choices from ''12-15''  and from my ever ailing memory was this wasn't how you met your wife ....

Really, I'm not saying it is 'wrong' , I just couldn't plan such activities ...

[2tallbill]

First let me say that Bill is totally wrong!  :-))
He is wrong because he doesn't understand the right way to do WMVM; and the right way is my way.

Glad ML is here to show the newbies a different (and totally wrong) way
to go about a visit many trip 

We had the conversation last time in a thread destined to get lost.
It will be easier to find our different tactics in a thread like this one.
Hopefully others with experience will join in as well.

Second, you don't write one message to each gal and try to arrange a coffee meet.  You write 6-8 messages to each gal spread over 6 weeks.  You start out writing to a hundred or more gals who meet most of your screening criteria.  You winnow the list of gals down each week and end up with 15-20 at the beginning of your trip.

The reason you only write each girl once is that she is likely not the
future Mrs_______________ your name here. It is also likely that you
 don't have mutual chemistry. The only way to determine mutual
chemistry is to stand with in a meter of each other and take the
temperature.

NOTE: just because you think she is hotter than any girl you have
ever laid eyes on, you need to look into her eyes and see if they
light up. Is she leaning towards you speak? does she touch you,
or your clothes when you are together?

She needs to have the same sparks in her eyes that you do or she
needs to get kicked to the curb. An observant man can determine
this in 5-15 minutes about the time it takes to have a cup of coffee.
You want her out the door if she doesn't pass the initial test. Why
spend any more time with this girl if she doesn't pass? 

If she does pass, then by all means spend more time with her. Take a
walk, and start seeing if she has the other necessary requirements to
be Mrs _______________ Your name here.

You DO manage the FSUW.  You tell each of them the day that you will meet with them.  You tell them that you won't just meet after their work or on a weekend day.  You tell them that they MUST take an afternoon off from work to meet with you.  You tell them that you will NOT discuss at all other women past present or future and that you will not discuss their men past present or future.

Of course some will not like this.  They will be part of the 100 or so that gets cut out before you end up with your 15-20.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

If you only write a girl once this conversation and whittling down won't
happen until they pass the mutual chemistry test. They aren't going to
care about who you met immediately before them, and if they don't
pass the test then nobody cares who you meet after them. By writing
more than one letter you've eliminated many girls who you might have
chemistry with.

The girls that remain you might not have chemistry with.

The goal for a visit many trip is to first and foremost find a girl that
you have mutual chemistry with. The other girls might be excellent
girls but without mutual chemistry they are anchors around your neck.

You are in shark infested waters stay away from anchors!

Positive chemistry is not always immediate; although negative chemistry probably is.  A coffee meeting doesn't really reveal much.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

This is the single most and defining point of ML vs Bill's plan of action.
I will agree that occasionally the positive mutual chemistry isn't always
evident during the first 15 minute meeting. Sometimes she is nervous,
sometimes she is scared, sometimes you totally break the ice after
the initial 15 minutes. Using my system the girl is already kicked to
the curb waiting for the next Mr Right to come along.

With ML's system that same exact girl still has one foot inside the door.

If you are a slow starter and take a while get girls to warm up to you
then ML's plan has it's merits over mine.

In my experience I can usually get the girl laughing, interested and 
the ice well broken within the 15 minute time frame. I believe very
much in my ability to make an assessment in that amount of time.
For my system to work you have to be able to make a judgement
pretty much on the spot. I think many men can do this.

Some men have zero ability to do this and should either avoid the
FSU altogether or have local friends or a wingman to help them out. 

So here are the benefits to my system as I see it. You see more girls
and make more evaluations. You don't kick any out before meeting
with them.

ML's advantages are that you get a little more information up front
before you start evaluating them and you have more time to do a
a good evaluation. The key importance is that ML's system allows
for the fact that some girls take a while to warm up.

My system negatives are that you have to make a spot decision with
limited information. ML's negatives are that you might be throwing
away a good match before you meet her, and you might waste some
additional time with so-so girls.

[Faux Pas]

NOTE: This is only my opinion and although I strongly believe I am right
it's still just an opinion. If anyone disagrees with it feel free to explain your
differences. Everyone has to do what they believe will work for them.

The biggest mistake is using visit one tactics on a visit many trip.

With a visit one trip you write many letters. On a visit many trip you write one
letter, two at the most. You just want to meet them for coffee.

With a visit many trip you just want to meet the girl (not date the girl), unless she
turns out absolutely fantastic with mutual chemistry, and knocks your socks off 
you never date the girl again. So what you are doing is arranging a few dozen coffee
meet and greets. Your number one goal is to measure mutual chemistry.

Many men (goofballs) screw this up. They write several letters to several women
and then try to manage them. You can't manage several FSUW. This is self destructive,
FSUW are too smart to let you get away with this. Then the goofballs have second
dates with girls who didn't knock their socks off. You don't want a girl who doesn't
knock your socks off so don't date her again! 

Visit many goofballs will often meet a hot girl, she will be so-so interested in them
and they will ask her on a second date. You don't want a so-so girl, so why don't
be a goofball and waste your time on a so-so girl? Goofballs stupidly think that the
so-so hot girl will suddenly see the light and be hot for them. This isn't Hollywood,
move on! Goofballs will date a so-so girl again because they have a hole in their
time schedule.

So-so girls are for dumping, not for a hole in your schedule. You should only date 
a super girl with mutual chemistry more than once. If you have a hold in your
schedule then you get on the computer and write 20-30-40 or more girls and get
more first meetings set up. 

You meet a girl and unless she is amazing you kick her to the curb. You want an
amazing girl. Why the hell would you go all the way to Russia if you didn't
want an amazing girl? 

Once you find an amazing girl that you have mutual chemistry with then you need
to monopolize your time with her. If she can't meet you again until next week then
you don't have the chemistry you thought you did so you kick her to the curb.

In a visit many trip you have to be ruthless, you kick girls to the curb because you
don't want to waste your time. The sooner the girl hits the curb the sooner she can
find a good man for herself. Don't waste another moment of your time or hers.

An hot eye candy girl is kicked to the curb unless her eyes light up when they see
you. If her eyes don't light up then you kick her to the curb.

If you want to write many letters to many girls and try to be vague about meeting
them (fsuw don't do vague) and have several dates with each of them then you are
(a goofball) and going to run into a bunch of problems. The best girls will take
themselves out of the running and you are going to be dating a bunch of mediocre
girls again and again.

So lets review how (in my not at all humble opinion) to do a visit many trip.
1. You write one letter to the girl. Two letters only under duress.
2. You meet the girl for coffee.
3. Unless this girl knocks your socks off and seems very interested in you she
gets kicked to the curb.
4. NEVER date her again
5. meet another girl or write letters to meet another girl
6. When you find a super girl pursue her.
7. Kick all liars, cheats etc to the curb
8. Any girl who is not a super girl is a reject girl. Repeat after me KICK HER TO THE CURB!
9. Don't be a goofball
10. Rinse and repeat 1-9 until you find a super girl.

As I eluded to earlier, I'm not a VM kind of guy. It ain't in me. But, if I were this is the approach I would take. No need to waste time

[BillyB]

He is wrong because he doesn't understand the right way to do WMVM; and the right way is my way.

There are right ways to VM. Some guys aren't good at it because they choke when prodded about it. If a guy goes VM, he needs to make it clear to all women he's meeting that he's visiting them as friends first and to see if there's chemistry. Very few women would turn away a quality man, even if he's dating more than one at a time. Some of the ladies themselves are dating more than one at a time too.


I voted for visit one with a backup plan though. I feel confident that I got a good read on the lady I'm visiting and I won't be an emotional wreck if things don't work out. If it doesn't work out, it's easy to get dates in the FSU. I could get 3 numbers a day just from meeting ladies on the street and cafes. Sometimes I've dated two ladies same day. Everybody has their own rules when it comes to dating. IMO, there's nothing unethical with dating more than one person at a time if there's no commitment. Some people do feel a person is cheating on them, even on the first date, if that person is dating more people than themselves.


I've had ladies ask me on a first date if I'm dating other women at the time I'm dating them. I tell them the truth. If they don't look happy, I question why they aren't happy. After hearing their answer, I ask them if they want to be exclusive and make a lifetime commitment to me right now. Of course their answer is "no" and I tell them "this is the first date and we should date as friends first and when we are both ready to be exclusive, you will be the only woman in my life."

[ML]

ML's negatives are that you might be throwing away a good match before you meet her . . .

You mentioned this twice. 

I don't understand where my method throws away good matches before I meet her.

Also Bill, you should be up front and honest by disclosing to readers that you have been living in Norf Deekotee for so long that parts of your brain (and perhaps some appendages) suffer from the extreme cold (and hot in summer) so that your logic and thought process may not be the same as in earlier years.

Or maybe it's just because you hit your head on basketball rims every time you try to walk under them.