Different perspective or delusional?

[Bee Farmer]

Now the question.  Do you think a lot of guys who fall for PPL believe this too?  Do you think that is how they justify it? 

Why are you asking us to speculate on what other people may or may not be thinking?

I pointed out some flaws in his plans.  He has never tried to learn one Russian phrase.  His logic?  She is coming here, she needs to learn English.

He's correct there.  Unless he plans on living there, he doesn't really need to learn the language.  The woman needs to learn English to live in American society.

What seems to be overlooked is the fact that the hottest women have plenty of suitors and male attention.  (They don't need to go searching for a foreign, fat guy to save them.)  The hottest women are on the PPL sites because they usually get a financial kickback.  However, if a top quality foreign guy came along, they very well might be willing to get involved with him.  But for anything less than a top quality guy, they will not be interested in a relationship...they are just after the paycheck.

The girls who are more average looking (and often divorced with kids) don't have as many local options, so they put up profiles on subscription sites like Elena's Models.  They aren't on the PPL sites because they aren't looking for a paycheck.  These women are also more likely to be interested in a fat divorced guy with a mid-level income.

[cc3]

CC3, tell her congratulations from me.  That is a great accomplishment. 

Of course she is excluded from my above post which was aimed at the post previous to it.

 

Will do, Jone. I'm very proud of her, especially given her displaced (from Luhansk) refugee status. She's a Russian speaker doing exceptionally well in the 'nazi nest' of Lviv.

[Miquel Westano]

Why are you asking us to speculate on what other people may or may not be thinking?

I am asking because that is how I learn.  I am asking because the speculation of people who have been involved in this over the years is better than the guesses of people like me who don't know much about it.

[Miquel Westano]

The hottest women are on the PPL sites because they usually get a financial kickback.  However, if a top quality foreign guy came along, they very well might be willing to get involved with him.  But for anything less than a top quality guy, they will not be interested in a relationship...they are just after the paycheck.

The girls who are more average looking (and often divorced with kids) don't have as many local options, so they put up profiles on subscription sites like Elena's Models.  They aren't on the PPL sites because they aren't looking for a paycheck. 

This is exactly what my friend thinks.  The chance of making money while searching for a guy is a win/win for the woman and so will draw the best looking women.

I just tend to agree with others who think it is likely the women are either not real at all, or real but absolutely not serious about marring a foreign man.  Either one a disaster for my buddy.  Since he is a guy on the mend from a divorce and likely to end up in a keyboard romance.  I doubt he would ever go overseas, but I can see him getting addicted to an online profile/photo. 

[Miquel Westano]

For your friend:

PPL sites are 80% fake.  A good agency employee can run five simultaneous conversations.  A profile is created on the system.  The woman must present her passport at the time the profile is created.  However, once a good profile is created, the agency will use experienced operatives to communicate with the men.

The agency has access to all conversations held with the man.  If you are 'chatting with the lady' sometimes there is a pause while the agency employee reads up on past history to know how to respond. 

If a profile is over three months old and it is a 'good producing' profile, it is almost certainly being operated by an agency employee, not the woman whose pictures are displayed.

All profiles produce income for the agency.  The more chat time and letters that are produced, the more the agency gets paid. 

Here's the kicker for your friend:  Many of the people operating the profiles on the PPL sites are MEN!

So who is real on the PPL sites? 

1.  Look for the most recent additions.  These are the women who have just added their profiles.  While there is no guarantee, it is much more likely that they are responding themselves.

2.  Obviously, the same type of profiles you see on the subscription sits are operated by real women.  If she is 39 years old and has two kids, she probably is really looking for a husband.

One thing you may wish to check is the success stories of each of the sites.  The women that are getting married to guys and posted on the system are not the eye candy you see when you log on.

The closest comparison I can express is that you are playing a carnival game that has no winners.  No matter how many darts you throw at those balloons, you aren't going to win the large prize.  You may win the smaller prize, but it is the same prize you could have won on a subscription site.

Udachi.

Thanks Jone.  This is one reply I will try to get him to read for sure.  He will value the opinion of guys on here like you who have first hand experience.  He knows I have no experience at all with FSU women unless you count buying sausage and cheese at our local Russian market.  I think that lady likes me though.  She smiles every time I go in and spend money in her store!   

I will encourage him to read all the replies, but I will make sure he reads yours.  It was factual, non judgmental and written by someone with experience.

[STaty]

Hi, Miquel! May I add a few words on this male subject? All the guys said here the truth! but on dating sites there are girls who very much want to go abroad. Not important to what country, only to leave Russia or Ukraine. These ladies without claims. They will fall in love with any (thick, weak, low growth, poor) to go abroad. If your friend doesn't want to change himself, he has a chance that he will be used simply.

[mendeleyev]

It is not uncommon for girls to respond to ads regarding a photo portfolio. The ads are often posted around Metro stations and other public spots, or sometimes ladies are approached by someone who promises a photo session with a professional photographer. The promise includes those photos being shopped to advertising agencies, and the idea is planted that if a girl is hired she can rise to stardom while making a large income as a model.

Often the photo session is free for smokinhotkovas, but the nice looking but not star quality ladies pay a fee. They generally are given a portfolio of their photos later.

What happens to those portfolios? In some cases, the better ones may be shopped to advertising and modeling agencies. Some of these photo session opportunities are in reality agents trolling for girls who may be willing to go further--as in the porn industry.

For the average looking gals, the only portfolio in existence is the one she paid to take home.

In other cases however, the photos end up being sold to places like PPL sites who give the girl a fictitious name and background, and while she goes about life in the hopes that someone is considering her for a modeling job, in reality her likeness has been set up as another lonely FSU girl looking for an overweight and old foreign husband.

However in more recent years, the frequency of scouts hanging around Metro stations to spot good looking gals has shrunk significantly with the popularity of social media sites like vk, etc. Younger gals tend to take a lot of selfies, and some of them are of very good quality. It takes nothing more than a few hours for ole "Hairy Boris" sitting at his desktop to snatch dozens of new photos for his agency.

[Noch1]

The online girls will suck any money he does have left, then he will be upset call them all B@t*hes and blame others for his own stupidity.
Seen it before, we will see it again.

Thats what all those hot 10+ girls want, middle age fat guy with mediocre income

[Patagonie]

I think that the first thing that you buddy has to do is to display the photos of all his previous GFs and put it close to the computer.
All of us perfectly know that they are tons of chance that your buddy has never even approached one of those "photos" in his real life, compared to the profiles on the dating sites he has started to lurk.
So what is the reason to chase such type of women? Knowing that he never got one?
Additionnaly we perfectly know here that the chances that those photos can lead to a real love story are less than 5%, because such profiles are the main tool of the scam industry.

The only thing that he can get is a lady being 0.5 or 1 size above his court and or (AND in the best case) 10 years older.
Example if he is a 5 he can get a 6, ten years younger than him.
If he could go with a bigger gap and that the story leads to a marriage, his chances to be divorced in the next year or till the green card, would reach outstanding proportions.
The problem is that the most advetrized photos are about 8+ or 9's of girls aged of 20,22,25 most of the time. We speak here about serious girls who can pretend in the west to be invited for a photo model shooting.

If he regulary f**s such type of girls so let me know and send me some photos showing him being kissed by such beauties.


And if he believes that suche beauties will have a story with him  because (it starts wrong right of the bat) ...
 he is white,
he speaks english,
US is rich,

He's only running very quickly towards the wall and will hit it very soon.

[Miquel Westano]

I think that the first thing that you buddy has to do is to display the photos of all his previous GFs and put it close to the computer.
All of us perfectly know that they are tons of chance that your buddy has never even approached one of those "photos" in his real life, compared to the profiles on the dating sites he has started to lurk.
So what is the reason to chase such type of women? Knowing that he never got one?
Additionnaly we perfectly know here that the chances that those photos can lead to a real love story are less than 5%, because such profiles are the main tool of the scam industry.

The only thing that he can get is a lady being 0.5 or 1 size above his court and or (AND in the best case) 10 years older.
Example if he is a 5 he can get a 6, ten years younger than him.
If he could go with a bigger gap and that the story leads to a marriage, his chances to be divorced in the next year or till the green card, would reach outstanding proportions.
The problem is that the most advetrized photos are about 8+ or 9's of girls aged of 20,22,25 most of the time. We speak here about serious girls who can pretend in the west to be invited for a photo model shooting.

If he regulary f**s such type of girls so let me know and send me some photos showing him being kissed by such beauties.


And if he believes that suche beauties will have a story with him  because (it starts wrong right of the bat) ...
 he is white,
he speaks english,
US is rich,

He's only running very quickly towards the wall and will hit it very soon.

Another excellent and fact filled post without judgmental comments.  I agree 100% with you on this, and I am sure he does not have pics of old girls who are 10's and younger than he was.  Thanks and I will make sure he reads this post too.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Another excellent and fact filled post without judgmental comments.  I agree 100% with you on this, and I am sure he does not have pics of old girls who are 10's and younger than he was.  Thanks and I will make sure he reads this post too.

Ok, you're a happily married man who started posting here because you are "interested" in people searching for love in this venture.  All of the sudden, you have a friend who is also interested and the good friend that you are decided to post his business on this forum for constructive feedback.  Once you get said feedback, you decided only two posts are factual based even though most is what I consider a fact when it comes to your friend and the way he wants to exploit women in a lesser developed country.

Why do I get the feeling you are not being honest here?

[Miquel Westano]

Ok, you're a happily married man who started posting here because you are "interested" in people searching for love in this venture.  All of the sudden, you have a friend who is also interested and the good friend that you are decided to post his business on this forum for constructive feedback.  Once you get said feedback, you decided only two posts are factual based even though most is what I consider a fact when it comes to your friend and the way he wants to exploit women in a lesser developed country.

Why do I get the feeling you are not being honest here?

My friend, get any feeling you want.  I don't really care.  I am old, married for 35 years and not interested in arguments. 

I explained all this when I made my intro.  I was looking at articles on Crimea, found a documentary on MOB's, watched 90 Day fiancé and ended up here.  I read a post on here that was either about USSR-Star, UA Dreams or some other site.  I signed up for the freebie profile on USSR-Star with no photo and sketchy details and found out I was irresistible to young FSU hotties.  My buddy started reading my replies I got and he is now convinced he can find an FSU girl even though he is broke, overweight and 45.
 
I never said the other post were not factual, I said I liked the two detailed and non judgmental ones and would make sure Brent read them.  Apparently I have somehow slighted you by favoring other post.  I am sorry I hurt your feelings.  I will show him yours too along with every one on the topic, but I thought the two I mentioned specifically were very good.

Now I have retold my entire story for you.  Believe it or not.  I don't care.  Come to SW Missouri and you can buy me and my wife dinner and ask her in person.  If you are real nice you can buy Brent's meal too.  I have a very short list of people I want to impress at all.  The list of people I would lie to impress is zero.

[BillyB]

What I was really asking is, do you think his line of thinking is common among guys looking at the PPL sites?  Do you think this is why they go there and spend so much more money?  To me it is obvious that something too good to be true simply isn't true.  But these sites are everywhere and people obviously flock to them. 

Do you think most people just assume they really have all the best looking girls because the sites cost more?  Americans in particular and probably everyone to some extent tends to associate price with quality.  So do you think guys looking for MOB's think the same way and assume the most expensive sites have the best looking girls?

Guys will tend to pay more if they think the product is worth it. Many PPL sites doctor the photos and some of the models at the agency don't even know their photos are being used at a marriage agency. Employees will answer for them though.


"Get what you pay for" doesn't apply to marriage agencies and international dating sites as it does elsewhere. Many guys found gems at free sites.


Tell you friend to come here and we'll help him out. Some will ridicule him but others will try to set him on the straight path.

Come to SW Missouri and you can buy me and my wife dinner

I want free dinner too.

[LiveFromUkraine]

My friend, get any feeling you want.  I don't really care.  I am old, married for 35 years and not interested in arguments. 

I explained all this when I made my intro.  I was looking at articles on Crimea, found a documentary on MOB's, watched 90 Day fiancé and ended up here.  I read a post on here that was either about USSR-Star, UA Dreams or some other site.  I signed up for the freebie profile on USSR-Star with no photo and sketchy details and found out I was irresistible to young FSU hotties.  My buddy started reading my replies I got and he is now convinced he can find an FSU girl even though he is broke, overweight and 45.
 
I never said the other post were not factual, I said I liked the two detailed and non judgmental ones and would make sure Brent read them.  Apparently I have somehow slighted you by favoring other post.  I am sorry I hurt your feelings.  I will show him yours too along with every one on the topic, but I thought the two I mentioned specifically were very good.

Now I have retold my entire story for you.  Believe it or not.  I don't care.  Come to SW Missouri and you can buy me and my wife dinner and ask her in person.  If you are real nice you can buy Brent's meal too.  I have a very short list of people I want to impress at all.  The list of people I would lie to impress is zero.

I am not your friend nor would I care to be. 

You are a married man and setting up profiles on dating sites for Russian women because you are "interested" in learning more.  Yeah, right. You really take us for being that gullible?  You or anyone like you couldn't hurt my feelings.  I just know BS when I see it and it's oozing out of your pores, old dude.

Thanks for the dinner offer but I will pass.  I don't hang out with people like you or your friend.  You will have to find your free lunch elsewhere.  I'm sure there is a nice buffet that has a senior citizen discount close enough for you and your buddy.

[jone]

LFU,

You must have eaten a dish of sour apples before your last reply.

Nothing this poster has done has demonstrated that:

1.  He is a liar

2.  That he has shown anything to offend you

You need to get away from responding to people as if you think that they are all criminals out to steal your wallet.

[LiveFromUkraine]

LFU,

You must have eaten a dish of sour apples before your last reply.

Nothing this poster has done has demonstrated that:

1.  He is a liar

2.  That he has shown anything to offend you

You need to get away from responding to people as if you think that they are all criminals out to steal your wallet.

It doesn't surprise me that you don't see anything wrong with a married man posting profiles on dating sites.  I will respond in any manner I want and you can worry about your own behavior.  For some reason you like to go around telling others how to post.  Your hall monitor glory days are way over.

[Muzh]

C'mon Guys. It's social Friday. 


I do have some trepidation of those who have some "friends" who are doing this or that and then ask the rest "what do you think?"


Now, LFU want to challenge me for nasty poster. Well, bring it on!! 


Time for a cocktail.


Later.

[LiveFromUkraine]

C'mon Guys. It's social Friday. 


I do have some trepidation of those who have some "friends" who are doing this or that and then ask the rest "what do you think?"


Now, LFU want to challenge me for nasty poster. Well, bring it on!! 


Time for a cocktail.


Later.

ha!  I'm trying to bring up the slack.  Ever since you retired you've grown softer.   

[Muzh]

LMAO


That's what retirement will do to you. Everyday is a Saturday.


You should try it. I love it!!!

[LiveFromUkraine]

You should try it. I love it!!!

Man, that is great.  I'm really happy for you.

[jone]

Guys,

I've read back through the thread.  I cannot find one instance that this guy said he, personally, established personal profiles on the PPL or PPC sites.  I tend to believe him at his word.  (Although some sites will be hard to view profiles unless a username and password combination are established.)

As far as nasty posters:  Neither of you guys are nasty posters.  The disingenuous and out and out liars.  Those are nasty posters.

My guess is that this guy has time on his hands and is living vicariously through his friend.   Kinda like giving advice to posters on an internet forum.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Guys,

I've read back through the thread.  I cannot find one instance that this guy said he, personally, established personal profiles on the PPL or PPC sites.  I tend to believe him at his word.  (Although some sites will be hard to view profiles unless a username and password combination are established.)

As far as nasty posters:  Neither of you guys are nasty posters.  The disingenuous and out and out liars.  Those are nasty posters.

My guess is that this guy has time on his hands and is living vicariously through his friend. 

Jone, my BS detector went off right away, but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt.  He already said he posted a profile on a site to see the responses.  It's in the quote of my response that you didn't like. 

I signed up for the freebie profile on USSR-Star with no photo and sketchy details and found out I was irresistible to young FSU hotties

Why would a married man be spending his time doing such things?


Posting on RussianWomenDiscussion, setting up profiles, and if you do a quick search of his name will see a comment on a Russian women video.

[/size] Kinda like giving advice to posters on an internet forum.

He is married for 35 years and has no plans on dating Russian women.  Yet he is posting fake profiles and visiting sites that talk about dating Russian women.  FT sure got a lot of heat for posting here and he even made a trip yet you don't think twice about this guy's story?  Cmon, man.

[jone]

Didn't realize he had posted profiles on sites.  Moral compass might be a little off.  Or maybe he is just entertaining himself.  That's the reason many of us are here.

My favorite uncle, growing up, was very happy in his marriage.  At the age of 60 he suddenly gained an interest in looking at Playboy and other men's magazines.  I was just out of high school.  He showed them to me.  My only comment was that I was surprised he hadn't looked at them when he was in high school.

That Miguel is having fun exploring these sites, and wondering about their veracity?  If that's the only issue with his wanderings, I feel his wife is a lucky woman. 

Some of our steadfast contributors on this forum are married.  Boe, FP, Muzh.  Some are married and have no direct relationship to Eastern Europe.  As long as he is not being disingenuous, Miguel fits that category.  But he should be honest with himself.

[Miquel Westano]

Didn't realize he had posted profiles on sites.  Moral compass might be a little off.  Or maybe he is just entertaining himself.  That's the reason many of us are here.

My favorite uncle, growing up, was very happy in his marriage.  At the age of 60 he suddenly gained an interest in looking at Playboy and other men's magazines.  I was just out of high school.  He showed them to me.  My only comment was that I was surprised he hadn't looked at them when he was in high school.

That Miguel is having fun exploring these sites, and wondering about their veracity?  If that's the only issue with his wanderings, I feel his wife is a lucky woman. 

Some of our steadfast contributors on this forum are married.  Boe, FP, Muzh.  Some are married and have no direct relationship to Eastern Europe.  As long as he is not being disingenuous, Miguel fits that category.  But he should be honest with himself.

Howdy Jone,

I appreciate your comments and benefit of the doubt.  This guy LFU like several others here thinks his opinions affect my life.  They don't but others opinions here do matter to me.  I post and look because as I have stated from the day I got on here and introduced myself, I am curious and find the overseas bride hunt fascinating.  It all started when I was reading about Russia and Crimea and then started watching MOB stuff.  I have an insatiable desire to learn new stuff.  I am trying to learn the Russian language now just for fun. 

I put a profile on USSR-Star after another poster asked about the site.  It has no pic, no exact info and shows me as an old man of 60.  I got tons of kisses and messages from smoking hot 20 year olds, and put that on here too.  It told me everything I wanted to know about USSR-Star. 

This LFU guy means nothing to me, but there are several people on here who I do enjoy reading and interacting with.  So to maintain my credibility with them, you included, I want to play a game if there is anyone close to SW Mo.

Now on to you LFU. 

Tell you what I will do, if possible we will find a member on here who can meet me in Missouri.  Then we will find an honest and independent person on here who the board members feel can be trusted.  Then you and I will PayPal him/her $125.00 each.  I will then meet the member, introduce them to my wife, introduce them to my buddy Brent, take them to my daughter's gravesite to prove that story too before you question it. 

After I meet the member the holder of the cash can keep $25 from each of us for getting involved.  If I am what I say I am, I get the $200.  If not, you do.  Would you like to play?

As we say in the hills, time to put up or shut up.  I don't really need to impress you, but you have kind of annoyed me and I could use an easy $100 plus I want to maintain credibility on this site.

Is there anyone around close to SW Mo?  Who would like to meet me?  Anyone have a suggestion for the person to hold the cash?

[LiveFromUkraine]

This LFU guy means nothing to me, but there are several people on here who I do enjoy reading and interacting with.  So to maintain my credibility with them, you included, I want to play a game if there is anyone close to SW Mo.

Now on to you LFU. 

Tell you what I will do, if possible we will find a member on here who can meet me in Missouri.  Then we will find an honest and independent person on here who the board members feel can be trusted.  Then you and I will PayPal him/her $125.00 each.  I will then meet the member, introduce them to my wife, introduce them to my buddy Brent, take them to my daughter's gravesite to prove that story too before you question it. 

After I meet the member the holder of the cash can keep $25 from each of us for getting involved.  If I am what I say I am, I get the $200.  If not, you do.  Would you like to play?

As we say in the hills, time to put up or shut up.  I don't really need to impress you, but you have kind of annoyed me and I could use an easy $100 plus I want to maintain credibility on this site.

Is there anyone around close to SW Mo?  Who would like to meet me?  Anyone have a suggestion for the person to hold the cash?

lol  You sure seem to want to jump through hoops to prove yourself to me even after you insisted you don't care.  More BS it seems.  You hurting for money or something?  First you want me to come and buy you and your "friend" dinner and now you're trying to get more money out of me. 


  Does your wife know you're on dating sites or do you tell her it's all for your friend?