Different perspective or delusional?

[Miquel Westano]

First a little boring info before the question. 

I have a buddy who hangs with me quite a bit.  No, I swear this isn't a post about me pretending, it really is a buddy.  He has been following my interest here and looking at foreign dating/marriage sites, and watching some YouTube and Netflix stuff on MOB's.

He just divorced after a bitter spit.  He has now decided he may be a candidate for going to Ukraine.  I pointed out some flaws in his plans.  He has never tried to learn one Russian phrase.  His logic?  She is coming here, she needs to learn English.  He thinks she will be more submissive than an American woman like his ex wife.  He thinks she will not care about his weight.  He thinks his mid level income will suffice since she will be from a poor country.

Now keep in mind he has been following these sites with me for a month or so.  So he should know better.  He is wrong about these things for sure.  I don't feel like arguing with him since I doubt he will ever go anyway.  He has zero savings and just financially won't be able to go. 

We have looked at Elena's and USSR-Star along with some others.  The PPL sites have lots of smoking hot girls who look right out of Hollywood or the modeling agencies.  The non PPL sites have very nice looking and real looking ladies with more non studio photos.  These girls are also willing to Skype or video chat right away rather than e-mail with fees.

His theory?  The PPL sites sign the best looking girls and the plainer ones have to go to the free and monthly sites because they don't generate the responses to get them on the best sites.  He thinks the PPL sites are the Major Leagues and the others are the minor league.  He thinks if the girls are hot enough, they sign with the PPL sites and if not, they can't.

He looked me right in the eye and told me that.  I said I thought the fact the PPL girls looked too hot to be real might actually mean a lot of them are too hot to be real.  He said there are lots of hot girls and why wouldn't they go to the best sites?

Now the question.  Do you think a lot of guys who fall for PPL believe this too?  Do you think that is how they justify it?  I just don't understand how people can think this way, but I am not lonely and not looking for a wife.  He is, and maybe he represents the thinking of a lot of guys seeking a wife.  I am sure loneliness plays a big part.  My buddy is not stupid but he is convinced the hotter the girl the more likely she is to be on the PPL sites with the other hot girls.

Please keep the responses civil please with no direct attacks on my friend.  I would like to be able to show him the answers. 

[Larry1]

... I don't feel like arguing with him since I doubt he will ever go anyway.  He has zero savings and just financially won't be able to go. 

We have looked at Elena's and USSR-Star along with some others.  The PPL sites have lots of smoking hot girls who look right out of Hollywood or the modeling agencies.  The non PPL sites have very nice looking and real looking ladies with more non studio photos.  These girls are also willing to Skype or video chat right away rather than e-mail with fees.

His theory?  The PPL sites sign the best looking girls and the plainer ones have to go to the free and monthly sites because they don't generate the responses to get them on the best sites.  He thinks the PPL sites are the Major Leagues and the others are the minor league.  He thinks if the girls are hot enough, they sign with the PPL sites and if not, they can't...

There is a lot to address here but I just want to make two or three points:

1. I too doubt he will ever go to FSU. Most guys who put their toe into the water don't end up going farther.

2. He has no money. This search takes money. Bringing a wife into the country and supporting her also takes money.

3. The PPL (pay per letter) sites aren't the major leagues and the pay-per-month sites aren't the minor leagues. His analogy is just incorrect. Much has been written here about the pitfalls of PPL sites. So I won't re-state it. If you like you can show him some of the excellent threads on this subject.

If he decides to begin a FSUW search (and I don't think he will) he would be well-advised to steer clear of the PPL sites.

[Faux Pas]

You've given him some information he can use but alas, he doesn't compute. There's nothing more you can do except wish him luck.

Chances are he'll never get farther than the websites with the Smokinghotkovas and relieved of some of that money he hasn't got.

Yes, his weight and his general health matters. It matters a lot.

Advise him t to work on himself, get in shape, lose some weight, save some money and then consider the adventure. No woman in no country needs a man in another country to have a slob unkept husband and live in poverty. She can do that all by herself.

[Miquel Westano]

I guess I muddled that up so much, the actual question got hidden.  I agree with you guys about my buddy 100% and since he will never make it there I am not going to spend much time busting his fantasy.

What I was really asking is, do you think his line of thinking is common among guys looking at the PPL sites?  Do you think this is why they go there and spend so much more money?  To me it is obvious that something too good to be true simply isn't true.  But these sites are everywhere and people obviously flock to them. 

Do you think most people just assume they really have all the best looking girls because the sites cost more?  Americans in particular and probably everyone to some extent tends to associate price with quality.  So do you think guys looking for MOB's think the same way and assume the most expensive sites have the best looking girls?

[Boethius]

Americans in particular and probably everyone to some extent tends to associate price with quality

What does that tell you about your society, particularly when applied to human beings?

[The Natural]

But these sites are everywhere and people obviously flock to them. 

Do you think most people just assume they really have all the best looking girls because the sites cost more? 

The genius of advertizing, same here as anywhere in business. There's enough suckers around to have good business. If there weren't, that business would Close pretty soon.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I guess I muddled that up so much, the actual question got hidden.  I agree with you guys about my buddy 100% and since he will never make it there I am not going to spend much time busting his fantasy.

What I was really asking is, do you think his line of thinking is common among guys looking at the PPL sites?  Do you think this is why they go there and spend so much more money?  To me it is obvious that something too good to be true simply isn't true.  But these sites are everywhere and people obviously flock to them. 

Do you think most people just assume they really have all the best looking girls because the sites cost more?  Americans in particular and probably everyone to some extent tends to associate price with quality.  So do you think guys looking for MOB's think the same way and assume the most expensive sites have the best looking girls?

Miquel, I have a feeling you're starting to see the people that go into this type of endeavor for whom they are.  I would say your friend's logic is common.  It really boils down to money with these guys. 


She is poor so his middle class income would be enough for an upgrade compared to what he could get in his country.
She is poor so she won't be so picky about his health issues.
The whole submissive thing cracks me up.  Ask yourself what type of man needs a submissive wife anyway?


These guys think they are shopping at a dollar store.


As for those sites, many of them make money on the correspondence knowing the guy will never make the trip.  The women's profile may not be the person they are even communicating with.  A lot of times, those agencies hire other people to pretend. 

[Boethius]

Or the women are married.
 
I remember reading the story of one woman in Odesa in a Ukrainain newspaper (a criminal story, which is how it was reported).  She was very beautiful, and the top earner for her agency.  She would go on "dates" with foreign men.  She was also married and had a young child.  When she wanted to "retire" to focus on her child, she, and her family, were threatened with violence by the agency.  It is an extreme story, in terms of the threat, not so much on the facts of a married/attached woman being used as "bait".

[LiveFromUkraine]

Or the women are married.
 
I remember reading the story of one woman in Odesa in a Ukrainain newspaper (a criminal story, which is how it was reported).  She was very beautiful, and the top earner for her agency.  She would go on "dates" with foreign men.  She was also married and had a young child.  When she wanted to "retire" to focus on her child, she, and her family, were threatened with violence by the agency.  It is an extreme story, in terms of the threat, not so much on the facts of a married/attached woman being used as "bait".

It doesn't surprise me at all.  My ex wanted to get a job that helped her practice her English.  She interviewed with an agency for a translator role.   They not only wanted her to write the correspondence, as if she was the girl, but also carry a bunch of phones so she could take phone calls from some of these guys.  I was glad she didn't take the position.

[Miquel Westano]

The genius of advertizing, same here as anywhere in business. There's enough suckers around to have good business. If there weren't, that business would Close pretty soon.

So would you agree that most guys who use PPL sites believe these sites really do have the best looking girls? 

I just don't get it, but there has to be something to what you are saying.  Obviously heavy advertising works.  They used to say, "sell the sizzle and not the steak".  I guess that is what these PPL sites sell, the image instead of reality.

[The Natural]

Yes, you're right. They sell an image and enough guys fall for it to be profittable. Unfortunately.

[Boethius]

If your friend manages to find a submissive UW, tell him to let the world know.  That would be as elusive as a unicorn.

[Steamer]

His theory?  The PPL sites sign the best looking girls and the plainer ones have to go to the free and monthly sites because they don't generate the responses to get them on the best sites.  He thinks the PPL sites are the Major Leagues and the others are the minor league.  He thinks if the girls are hot enough, they sign with the PPL sites and if not, they can't.

He looked me right in the eye and told me that.  I said I thought the fact the PPL girls looked too hot to be real might actually mean a lot of them are too hot to be real.  He said there are lots of hot girls and why wouldn't they go to the best sites?

Now the question.  Do you think a lot of guys who fall for PPL believe this too?  Do you think that is how they justify it?  I just don't understand how people can think this way, but I am not lonely and not looking for a wife.  He is, and maybe he represents the thinking of a lot of guys seeking a wife.  I am sure loneliness plays a big part.  My buddy is not stupid but he is convinced the hotter the girl the more likely she is to be on the PPL sites with the other hot girls.

Oooh, I smell an education coming!!

[Miquel Westano]

If your friend manages to find a submissive UW, tell him to let the world know.  That would be as elusive as a unicorn.

Don't worry I will.  But I am betting he will never get any closer to Ukraine than the hills of Missouri.  I hope after a year or two his mind returns to reality and he finds someone new.  I think a overly submissive wife would get boring after a while.  Everything worthwhile is challenging, including marriage.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Don't worry I will.  But I am betting he will never get any closer to Ukraine than the hills of Missouri.  I hope after a year or two his mind returns to reality and he finds someone new.  I think a overly submissive wife would get boring after a while.  Everything worthwhile is challenging, including marriage.

It sounds like he is still dealing with his divorce.  It takes time and his time would be better spent working on himself.  I'm sure he made plenty of mistakes that added to them divorcing that can be fixed.   The last thing he wants is to jump into another relationship and make the same mistakes all over again. 

[Steamer]

So would you agree that most guys who use PPL sites believe these sites really do have the best looking girls? 

Sure, but soon they realize that all they really have is the best looking PHOTOS of girls.

[jone]

For your friend:

PPL sites are 80% fake.  A good agency employee can run five simultaneous conversations.  A profile is created on the system.  The woman must present her passport at the time the profile is created.  However, once a good profile is created, the agency will use experienced operatives to communicate with the men.

The agency has access to all conversations held with the man.  If you are 'chatting with the lady' sometimes there is a pause while the agency employee reads up on past history to know how to respond. 

If a profile is over three months old and it is a 'good producing' profile, it is almost certainly being operated by an agency employee, not the woman whose pictures are displayed.

All profiles produce income for the agency.  The more chat time and letters that are produced, the more the agency gets paid. 

Here's the kicker for your friend:  Many of the people operating the profiles on the PPL sites are MEN!

So who is real on the PPL sites? 

1.  Look for the most recent additions.  These are the women who have just added their profiles.  While there is no guarantee, it is much more likely that they are responding themselves.

2.  Obviously, the same type of profiles you see on the subscription sits are operated by real women.  If she is 39 years old and has two kids, she probably is really looking for a husband.

One thing you may wish to check is the success stories of each of the sites.  The women that are getting married to guys and posted on the system are not the eye candy you see when you log on.

The closest comparison I can express is that you are playing a carnival game that has no winners.  No matter how many darts you throw at those balloons, you aren't going to win the large prize.  You may win the smaller prize, but it is the same prize you could have won on a subscription site.

Udachi.

[Faux Pas]

Keep in mind that ALL of the MOB sites are nothing but window dressing and eye candy. They are designed with men like your buddy in mind. Men who flop down a credit card for the sites to assist in his fantasy and making his dreams all come true. They know it's a fantasy, he doesn't. Many to most of these guys will even convince themselves that they will go and that 22 year old will fawn all over them and drop to the ground with their legs in the air as soon as he arrives.

You're right, if it sounds to good to be true, it isn't. It's a real world over there just like it is here and the fantasies last just as long as the money does. The old addage of "a sucker born every minute" has never been more true and on target than in the MOB business. A fool and his money soon parts also comes to mind.

There are plenty of women available for dating and marriage in the FSU. Most men can reasonably expect to do better in the FSU than they do at home. But, everyone has their limits/standards. Some will even rationalize and trade off if the end gain is great enough.

Instruct your buddy to get his act together or to expect to get his ass handed to him. There is a whole industry out there waiting to do just that for him.

[Muzh]

I guess I muddled that up so much, the actual question got hidden.  I agree with you guys about my buddy 100% and since he will never make it there I am not going to spend much time busting his fantasy.

What I was really asking is, do you think his line of thinking is common among guys looking at the PPL sites?  Do you think this is why they go there and spend so much more money?  To me it is obvious that something too good to be true simply isn't true.  But these sites are everywhere and people obviously flock to them. 

Do you think most people just assume they really have all the best looking girls because the sites cost more?  Americans in particular and probably everyone to some extent tends to associate price with quality.  So do you think guys looking for MOB's think the same way and assume the most expensive sites have the best looking girls?

LMAO


Any idiot who actually falls for the PPL knowing it is too good to be true is either brain dead or desperate or both. I mean, they seriously believe that a has-been will be able to buy himself a hot smoking babe that will be his submissive slave?


 

[LAman]

Keep in mind that ALL of the MOB sites are nothing but window dressing and eye candy. They are designed with men like your buddy in mind. Men who flop down a credit card for the sites to assist in his fantasy and making his dreams all come true. They know it's a fantasy, he doesn't. Many to most of these guys will even convince themselves that they will go and that 22 year old will fawn all over them and drop to the ground with their legs in the air as soon as he arrives.

You're right, if it sounds to good to be true, it isn't. It's a real world over there just like it is here and the fantasies last just as long as the money does. The old addage of "a sucker born every minute" has never been more true and on target than in the MOB business. A fool and his money soon parts also comes to mind.

There are plenty of women available for dating and marriage in the FSU. Most men can reasonably expect to do better in the FSU than they do at home. But, everyone has their limits/standards. Some will even rationalize and trade off if the end gain is great enough.

Instruct your buddy to get his act together or to expect to get his ass handed to him. There is a whole industry out there waiting to do just that for him.

OMG....I don't remember ever telling you guys about my second trip to Ukraine!!!!

[LAman]

Most things are delusional. Individually it is perspective...trial and error and you learn(hopefully).
The bigger question is about FSU/MOB/Marriage-Introduction Agencies..... it is ENTERTAINMENT. That is their main purpose in life and with that they make their profits. They each have their own model to make money. Of course, they all double as 'marriage' agencies to bring couples together....... bring the persona of that being their main purpose. Why I think this...... it been long branded about for years that less than 10% of guys actually involved in this inevitably do visit, so in other words the other 90+% are just keyboard romeos. So.....the more beautiful the girls photos the more chance of getting business. Hense, PPL's DO have the prettiest girls( yes, pics)!!! Just follow the money!!!

One last thought, one must remember, a girl in person will not look as good as their pics.( yes, debatable).

JMO...

[alex330]

So would you agree that most guys who use PPL sites believe these sites really do have the best looking girls? 

The PPL sites usually do have the best looking women. Whether it be for the free photo shoot, luring guys in for shopping sprees, or to make extra money by chatting online the women are going to signup with the sites that have the glossy photos, traffic, and marketing buttoned down.

[jone]

Yeah, a guy would have to be an idiot to marry a girl that worked for a PPL agency and was on the PPL sites.   He should immediately know that they're not real.

[cc3]

Yeah, a guy would have to be an idiot to marry a girl that worked for a PPL agency and was on the PPL sites.   He should immediately know that they're not real.

I'll convey your sentiments to my fiancee, whom I met via a ppl site three years ago. I am certain she will be very surprised to discover that she's not real. Also surprised will be Ivan Franko National University in Lviv, which has just accepted her into their prestigious and selective English philology degree/specialist program of study.

[jone]

CC3, tell her congratulations from me.  That is a great accomplishment. 

Of course she is excluded from my above post which was aimed at the post previous to it.