Permission from Ex husband

[dant244]

Hi all,

I am happy to say that we have finally gotten our visa interview date for Moscow - July 21.  I would like to know from those who brought children on the visa if they were asked during the interview for a permission paper from the ex.  The packet my finace recieved from the moscow embassy says nothing about this but the embassy website says she MAY be asked for such a permission.  She does not have full custody but the ex has had nothing to do witht he child for 5 of his 6 years of life.  She is convinced that he will not sign any paper just out of spite.  I know we should try to get this paper but I am wondering how often they actually ask for it.  Also, could they ask for it when she arrives in the states.  Thanks for any help.

[Jumper]

She does not have full custody

Certainly no immigration lawyer, but I really think that answers it.

There are likely those with current direct experience that will reply,..

I would certainly also consult with an immigration attorney ,
and i would certainly make every effort to get a fathers permission in writing, before relocating his child.

If she does not have full custody, and still managed to "slip " thru,
 what would keep the father from going after the situation at a later date??

I have heard many tales of the father wanting a bribe of some sort, etc.

or simply not wanting his child taken out of the country,
it then becomes a legal cuistodial battle  in the Russian or FSU  courts?

She may not want to deal with the situation, but it seems far better to resolve it now?
 

[PeeWee]

Certainly no immigration lawyer, but I really think that answers it.

There are likely those with current direct experience that will reply,..

I would certainly also consult with an immigration attorney ,
and i would certainly make every effort to get a fathers permission in writing, before relocating his child.

If she does not have full custody, and still managed to "slip " thru,
 what would keep the father from going after the situation at a later date??

I have heard many tales of the father wanting a bribe of some sort, etc.

or simply not wanting his child taken out of the country,
it then becomes a legal cuistodial battle  in the Russian or FSU  courts?

She may not want to deal with the situation, but it seems far better to resolve it now?
 

AJ, at what age is a Russian child not a child, hence when is father's permission no longer needed? I have heard a story or two of father's who are not opposed to asking for compensation in return for his "da" on the deal.

Peewee

[Wild Orchid*]

I don't know about US embassy but for Au to provide fathers permission is a compulsory, as well as for Russian customs. At least it was like that some time ago. Will she be able to go through the border with US visa but without fathers permission, which btw has to be certified by a notary. She probably could check it on Sheremet'evo web-site.

[Shadow]

I agree with AJ and Peewee that you should not leave such things to luck.

[catzenmouse]

 Elena went through a bunch of grief getting this paper. A lot of court dates trying to get custody with him fighting it, just to be a butthead about it as he did not have anything to do with Sergei at all. She did finally get him to sign the paper but so far we have not been asked for it at any time in the process.

 The thing is: if you don't have it and they ask for it then you will come to a dead stop until you get it. It is not something to leave hanging and hope that they do not bother as they could ask for this a year after she is with you and that would put the child in limbo.

Ken

[PeeWee]

Elena went through a bunch of grief getting this paper. A lot of court dates trying to get custody with him fighting it, just to be a butthead about it as he did not have anything to do with Sergei at all. She did finally get him to sign the paper but so far we have not been asked for it at any time in the process.

 The thing is: if you don't have it and they ask for it then you will come to a dead stop until you get it. It is not something to leave hanging and hope that they do not bother as they could ask for this a year after she is with you and that would put the child in limbo.

Ken

Does anyone know what the age limit, or is there an age limit, for the child when the father's approval is not longer needed? In some cases the father cannot be located. How much effort need be proved via private eye and records must one prove has taken place before the requirement is waived?

Let's say that you do find the father and he agrees to sign but wants 10K or 20K to do that. Do you pay him or would you tell her to forget it and begin your search for a new bride?

Peewee

[catzenmouse]

Don't know the age limit for the kid but if the father is not able to be found then she would have to have the court issue her sole custody. Jet just put this link in the other thread related to this. Probably best to contact this lawyer to get the specifics.

http://www.family-lawyer.net/

[PeeWee]

Don't know the age limit for the kid but if the father is not able to be found then she would have to have the court issue her sole custody. Jet just put this link in the other thread related to this. Probably best to contact this lawyer to get the specifics.

http://www.family-lawyer.net/

Jet's link states that under the age of 21 the premission has to be granted by the father.

Peewee

[Wild Orchid*]

Jet's link states that under the age of 21 the premission has to be granted by the father.

Peewee

18 according ro russian law.

[Jumper]

Let's say that you do find the father and he agrees to sign but wants 10K or 20K to do that. Do you pay him or would you tell her to forget it and begin your search for a new bride?

Peewee ,
The rules and game are not the same there.
i would say if he had no interest in the child,
and was demanding that large of sum,
 then some negotiation to something more reasonable would be in his best interest and welfare.
10K to 20K can be incredibly unhealthy for someone there.
Just the way it is. eta russiya 

[Bruno]

Let's say that you do find the father and he agrees to sign but wants 10K or 20K to do that. Do you pay him or would you tell her to forget it and begin your search for a new bride?

10K to 20K can be incredibly unhealthy for someone there.

What  do you mean by unhealthy? I think that for only 1K, you can hire without problem someone for kill the father who resist to sign paper... this will resolve all problem  ... yes, really unhealthy 

[BC]

If the father has any criminal matters pending there will be no problem getting a court order assigning parental rights to the mother.  Quite a few of these guys are on the 'lam' and will not show up for any court appearances.

Can take a couple months to get the final court order though.

[Wild Orchid*]

I had to ask for the permission just one time, the father of my child gave it to me without any problem. And as far as I know the same happens in 95% of the cases, but before woman gets it she starts whining "ohh, I don't know where he is, and even if I knew, he'd never give it to me" Just go and ask!

[docetae]

I'm not here yet but this is something we have already discussed with Anna. Her ex should pay for his child but does not do it and she is planning to drop her request to get the da ... I don't want to be negative but expect everything except fair play from the ex of your fiancee. Psychology has a role to play too ... In my case, the guy is extremely possessive and want to control everything ... the only way to get him sign is to make him believe the idea is coming from him.