US HOUSE ADMITS NAZI ROLE IN UKRAINE

[Ludmila]

U.S. House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine June 12, 2015 Exclusive: The U.S. House of Representatives has admitted an ugly truth that the U.S. mainstream media has tried to hide from the American people – that the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers to carry out its bloody war against ethnic Russians, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry
Last February, when ethnic Russian rebels were closing in on the Ukrainian port of Mariupol, the New York Times rhapsodically described the heroes defending the city and indeed Western civilization – the courageous Azov battalion facing down barbarians at the gate. What the Times didn’t tell its readers was that these “heroes” were Nazis, some of them even wearing Swastikas and SS symbols.
The long Times article by Rick Lyman fit with the sorry performance of America’s “paper of record” as it has descended into outright propaganda – hiding the dark side of the post-coup regime in Kiev. But what makes Lyman’s sadly typical story noteworthy today is that the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives has just voted unanimously to bar U.S. assistance going to the Azov battalion because of its Nazi ties.

[Ludmila]

Full article:
http://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/12/u-s-house-admits-nazi-role-in-ukraine/

[jone]

Ludmilla,

If you are going to quote, you should probably go right to the source rather than quoting some sensationalist rag.   The House was concerned that the Azov Battalion had the capability of threatening the elected government with sufficient military hardware.  Not providing material support actually showed support for the Kyiv government.  It has been said before, but it makes sense to say it again.  There are more people in Russia loyal to the Nazi influences than there are in Ukraine. 

But, then, of course, we know that you have an inside track through your propaganda into the minds of the members of the US House of Representatives.  NOT!

[Ludmila]

Ludmilla,

If you are going to quote, you should probably go right to the source rather than quoting some sensationalist rag.   The House was concerned that the Azov Battalion had the capability of threatening the elected government with sufficient military hardware.  Not providing material support actually showed support for the Kyiv government.  It has been said before, but it makes sense to say it again.  There are more people in Russia loyal to the Nazi influences than there are in Ukraine. 

But, then, of course, we know that you have an inside track through your propaganda into the minds of the members of the US House of Representatives.  NOT!

The above mentioned fact of admitting Nazi role in Ukraine by US House remains a fact, regardless of your interpretation of the latter ( to which you are entitled).

[JayH]

Ludmilla,

If you are going to quote, you should probably go right to the source rather than quoting some sensationalist rag.   The House was concerned that the Azov Battalion had the capability of threatening the elected government with sufficient military hardware.  Not providing material support actually showed support for the Kyiv government.  It has been said before, but it makes sense to say it again.  There are more people in Russia loyal to the Nazi influences than there are in Ukraine. 

But, then, of course, we know that you have an inside track through your propaganda into the minds of the members of the US House of Representatives.  NOT!

Also of note--the topic has a thread already-- and has been discussed here months ago.

So luda-- either look before you post and put it in relevant place if you have comment and stop starting a plethora of useless threads and then complaining about it .

[fathertime]

U.S. House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine June 12, 2015 Exclusive: The U.S. House of Representatives has admitted an ugly truth that the U.S. mainstream media has tried to hide from the American people – that the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers to carry out its bloody war against ethnic Russians, reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry
Last February, when ethnic Russian rebels were closing in on the Ukrainian port of Mariupol, the New York Times rhapsodically described the heroes defending the city and indeed Western civilization – the courageous Azov battalion facing down barbarians at the gate. What the Times didn’t tell its readers was that these “heroes” were Nazis, some of them even wearing Swastikas and SS symbols.
The long Times article by Rick Lyman fit with the sorry performance of America’s “paper of record” as it has descended into outright propaganda – hiding the dark side of the post-coup regime in Kiev. But what makes Lyman’s sadly typical story noteworthy today is that the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives has just voted unanimously to bar U.S. assistance going to the Azov battalion because of its Nazi ties.

Although others will cry about it, thanks Ludmila for bringing this up here...Clearly not all Ukrainians are 'angels' like so many here like to pretend. 

But, then, of course, we know that you have an inside track through your propaganda into the minds of the members of the US House of Representatives.  NOT!

Then of course we know you have an inside track to all the happens within Ukraine...especially when you made comments like there are only 50 or 100 pro Russians in all of Ukraine.  NOT!   


Fathertime!   

[Ludmila]

JayH, please, show where  the topic "US HOUSE ADMITS NAZI ROLE IN UKRAINE" is.

[Ludmila]

[jone]

Your words, Ludmilla.

The term was neo-Nazi.  Made by a single Congressman.   Next time get your facts straight.

Your little propaganda rag misquoted.  Intentionally. 

But I agree that the Azov Battalion has members that are anti-Semite.  There are also members who would consider fascism to be in vogue. 

But, you should remember to take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the sliver out of someone else's.

[jone]

Then of course we know you have an inside track to all the happens within Ukraine...especially when you made comments like there are only 50 or 100 pro Russians in all of Ukraine.  NOT!   


Fathertime!

Source? 

[Ludmila]

image of Nazi in Ukraine today

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[Ludmila]

Nazi batallion "Azov"
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[jone]

My God!  There are Nazis in California.  What are we gonna do.  Russia will invade us now because there are Nazis in California!!!!!!

Help!  Help!!!!!!


 

[Ludmila]

War crimes of Ukraine Nazi

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[Ludmila]

Quoting jone : My God!  There are Nazis in California.  What are we gonna do.  Russia will invade us now because there are Nazis in California!!!!!!

Help!  Help!!!!!!


 
And your point is....?

[BdHvA]

During the 2nd World War there were way too many victims, many civilian. This was on ALL sides.

In Russia which extended long after the conclusion of VJ Day there was the horror of Stalin who it seemed want to exceed the evil of Hitler. He did quite a good job in my opinion.

[Ludmila]

Ukrainian Nzi : Azov Batallion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

[Ludmila]

During the 2nd World War there were way too many victims, many civilian. This was on ALL sides.

In Russia which extended long after the conclusion of VJ Day there was the horror of Stalin who it seemed want to exceed the evil of Hitler. He did quite a good job in my opinion.

I suggest you open  a new topic of your choice (on Stalin/ Slavery in America/Vietnam War/etc, and opine  in fullness there. Anything on the subject of THIS topic?

[jone]

What I am saying, my Sweet and Wonderful Ludimilla is that all countries have extremists.  Ukraine, especially in a time of great pressure from Russia, will have extremists popping out.  That doesn't mean that the country is run by Nazis as I saw quoted many times in Russian propaganda when I was there last month.

The extremist vote and representation was at around 3 or 4 percent of the population.  Moreover, the makeup of the Rada is consistent with what was there before Maidan.  And Russia never had any problems with the makeup of the Rada when Yanukovych was in charge.  And certainly never called the Rada Nazis.

Please tell us your version of why Ukraine is run by Nazis.  Do not use articles.  Tell us in your own words why you think that Ukraine is under the influence of Nazis.  I'm willing to bet that you can't.

[fathertime]

Source?

Sorry it wasn't 50 or 100...you said 300....then you changed your mind and said 500.....all along the support was much greater than the numbers you were providing...obviously. 
The point being, Ludmila may not have an inside tract, but neither do you.   

Interestingly, while two buildings are occupied in Donetsk and Lugansk, it is business as usual in these cities.  Less than a mile away, kids are playing in parks, people are strolling on the sidewalks and there is no indication that there is any rebellion ongoing.  This is not conducive to invasion and makes Putin's incursion more difficult.  Certainly, there is no call for a referendum, other than these select 300 people in two buildings.

So, in all of Eastern Ukraine, only about 500 people are in a state of rebellion.  The populace is not flocking to support the occupiers because there are no Russian troops in place to force the issue.  There is no popular uprising in Eastern Ukraine, only staged operations to try to destabilize.This is a full-on Russian operation.  But the results desired are no where near enough to overthrow the regional government.  Russia has no choice but to try to take things to the next level.I stand by my statements that Putin will invade.

[JayH]

JayH, please, show where  the topic "US HOUSE ADMITS NAZI ROLE IN UKRAINE" is.

Duh ! 
The topic of the allegation was discussed extensively previously-- when the article referenced first appeared.
I might add-- the basis of the allegation is proven nonsense ie that Azov is a nazi organisation is false.
Combining other issues is the reason for not arming-not because of Azov being deemed Nazi.
The overriding factor- that battalions not under the direct and total command of Ukrainian military-were not appropriate place to direct aid.
Azov is not the only volunteer battalion fighting in the east- and the same ruling was applied to them too.
Since that time- the command chain issues have been resolved.
That last point highlights-- how ridiculous your links are-- and out of date! That is before I start on what in fact are conclusions that did not come from the same set of facts being combined to create your headline.

[BdHvA]

I suggest you open  a new topic of your choice (on Stalin/ Slavery in America/Vietnam War/etc, and opine  in fullness there. Anything on the subject of THIS topic?

Nice avoidance and use of double standards. You brought up the Nazi's from over 60 years ago as being active in Ukraine.

The evil of the Soviet Union and Stalinism was far longer and closer to today.

[Steamer]

Thanks Ludmilla!

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[Ludmila]

What I am saying, my Sweet and Wonderful Ludimilla is that all countries have extremists.  Ukraine, especially in a time of great pressure from Russia, will have extremists popping out.  That doesn't mean that the country is run by Nazis as I saw quoted many times in Russian propaganda when I was there last month.

The extremist vote and representation was at around 3 or 4 percent of the population.  Moreover, the makeup of the Rada is consistent with what was there before Maidan.  And Russia never had any problems with the makeup of the Rada when Yanukovych was in charge.  And certainly never called the Rada Nazis.

Please tell us your version of why Ukraine is run by Nazis.  Do not use articles.  Tell us in your own words why you think that Ukraine is under the influence of Nazis.  I'm willing to bet that you can't.

There are extremists in any country or religious denomination. But their freedom terminates as soon as they endanger the freedom and  LIFE OF others. We are talking about the War Crimes in Ukraine , not about the Ukraine "run by the Nazi". What the Nazi in the Ukraine have been doing proves the impotence of the current government. What was confirmed ( hardly has a WHOLE YEAR passed) by the US House.