US HOUSE ADMITS NAZI ROLE IN UKRAINE

[fathertime]

You still don't get it. 

 

That resolution had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.  Israel is there because the IDF went out and fought all of the Arab nations for land.  Who cares what was said in the UN?  You've admitted that you knew that the Jews were terribly outnumbered.  They were given little chance to succeed.  That is why the British gave their equipment to the Arabs.  The real discussion in the United Nations at this time was what the countries were going to do with all of the displaced Jews who survived the butchery that the Arabs were going to lay down in Palestine.

Throughout the years, that UN resolution was used to limit Israel's legitimacy rather than enhance it.

Although there is some truth to your post...you are also omitting other relevant facts pertaining to backroom deals....For example...Britain promising The Zionists a state, in an area where other peoples had lived for 100's of years...
The link above discussing the backroom deals to obtain votes.


Israel won the war...that doesn't make them 'right'.  There are plenty of examples of people winning wars where they weren't 'right'.  My original point remains, that it is very questionable why this area was chosen for Israel..when there were other regions that would not have created the problem the world has now.


Fathertime!

[jone]

And the answer that you have received from three more knowledgeable posters still remains, flaunted in your face.  The areas assigned to the future State of Israel from the United Nations were, in fact, already occupied by a majority of Jews.  They had the right of ownership of that land.  If a plebiscite were to be held in those areas, at that time, it would have recognized the State of Israel.

Bo and FP and I have all told you that, but you are too dense to get through your skull that in the areas that were reserved for Israel, they already had displaced the Arabs as a majority through normal land purchases and generations of residency.

How do I know this?  I lived in Northern Israel for a summer and took history classes taught by both Arabs and Jews.  I also lived with an Arab family in East Jerusalem and studied one of my favorite topics:  Archeology.

Unlike the news headlines and articles from your favorite, Wikipedia, the Arabs and Jews are pretty good neighbors to each other.  The only trouble seems  to come from outside influences and the huge gang of generational refugees created by the despondent Arab nations.

You need to give up on this.  You didn't even know who Arthur Balfour was at the start of this discussion.  Probably still don't know who Chaim Weizmann was.  (There he goes to Wikipedia, trying to find a way to say that he knows who he was and what role he played in Israel.)

Your problem, Fathertime, is that you wish to sound off on everything and sound important, but can't figure out when people who have a vested interest, like most of these people on this Forum in dating and marrying FSU women, dislike you for inserting yourself into arguments that you have no vested interest in, but wish only to mouth off.

[mendeleyev]

Luda:
 

the post-coup regime in Ukraine has relied heavily on Nazi storm troopers

Not even close to being true. First, there are no "Nazi storm troopers" operating in Ukraine.

If what you said is true, and you are lying, then Russia must have a history of Nazi activity, too. Last week I was honoured to be the first American journalist to enter the Stalin concentration camps in Dmitrov. I understand that the reason for my entrance was in great part to convince me that the opening of these areas is a great show of how Mr. Putin is not really such a bad guy, after all.

The fact remains that these camps were responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of innocent Russian lives. The fact is also that many of the guards, whose photos are featured prominently in the museum displays, wore the iron cross that was so loved by the Nazi party.

Does this mean that those Russians, thousands of military men and women, were Nazis? Perhaps even you, Luda, will recognize  that this symbol originated when the Teutonic Order began to feature the Teutonic black cross imposed over a silver cross of Jerusalem.

As to the swastika worn by some Ukrainian volunteers, I have asked about the reasons that a few of them like this symbol. Having learned what it means to them, (instead of remaining ignorant) and why they wear it, I now understand: For many of them it is like a middle finger jammed up the ass of Russia.

They see the Saint George cross having been obscenely converted from its holy designation to honour Russian heroes, to having been made a pathetic and gross symbol of oppression. Therefore, it can easily be understood when some choose to flaunt in the face of Russia's unmarked little green men this symbol of disrespect and loathing.

Perhaps there are a few who are indeed anti-Semite. Luda, you know that I can find plenty of anti-Semite Nazis all over Russia. This is a sad Russian trademark over the centuries, so where is your deep concern about the young nationalist Nazi groups in Russia?

[fathertime]

And the answer that you have received from three more knowledgeable posters still remains, flaunted in your face.  The areas assigned to the future State of Israel from the United Nations were, in fact, already occupied by a majority of Jews.  They had the right of ownership of that land.  If a plebiscite were to be held in those areas, at that time, it would have recognized the State of Israel.

Bo and FP and I have all told you that, but you are too dense to get through your skull that in the areas that were reserved for Israel, they already had displaced the Arabs as a majority through normal land purchases and generations of residency.

How do I know this?  I lived in Northern Israel for a summer and took history classes taught by both Arabs and Jews.  I also lived with an Arab family in East Jerusalem and studied one of my favorite topics:  Archeology.

Unlike the news headlines and articles from your favorite, Wikipedia, the Arabs and Jews are pretty good neighbors to each other.  The only trouble seems  to come from outside influences and the huge gang of generational refugees created by the despondent Arab nations.

You need to give up on this.  You didn't even know who Arthur Balfour was at the start of this discussion.  Probably still don't know who Chaim Weizmann was.  (There he goes to Wikipedia, trying to find a way to say that he knows who he was and what role he played in Israel.)

Your problem, Fathertime, is that you wish to sound off on everything and sound important, but can't figure out when people who have a vested interest, like most of these people on this Forum in dating and marrying FSU women, dislike you for inserting yourself into arguments that you have no vested interest in, but wish only to mouth off.

haha...I don't care much for this discussion to begin with, but now I think I'll remain engaged. 


I lived in a few places but that DOES NOT make me an expert at what happened 50 years prior, nor does it for you. 


So what if a bunch of people of a certain ethnicity/religion bought a bunch of land in a certain place...That doesn't make it 'theirs'....I live in a city that is 90% Asian, so if they took a vote they might decide to create their own nation.  Here there are large sections that are practically all Latino, can they create their own nation too?  I reject your line of reasoning here.  The reason Israel is where it is, is because they won the war, and in part through backroom deals.... not on ANY moral high ground.  They have been guilty of horrific war crimes at the time of the war, and have been rather ruthless even in recent years.     


The question remains, why they had to choose a region where they clearly were going to face major problems from people within and neighbors, when there were other possible places they could have chosen.  That remains a valid question. 


You are incorrect when YOU can say who may or may not speak on a given subject.  I'm sure it is a coincidence that


 I happen to have a viewpoint you don't like/agree with, I'd be welcome with open arms if you agreed with the POV as I was in my early days on the site...but I think I prefer this position anyway.   


Fathertime!   

[The Natural]

What would you suggest that the Ukrainian army does with the territory?   Allow it to be taken without a fight?  One of the most painful choices an army has to make is how to defend its homeland.

Jone, taken by whom? The Russians or the Russian ethnic People of Donbass?
As eastern Ukraine is still part of Ukraine, I suppose you mean Russia.

Well, Russia has no interest in "taking" eastern Ukraine. Quite the opposite. In fact, they refuse to recognize Donbass as a souvereign country. They want them to stay With Ukraine but will support them in opposition to russophobe policies coming from Kiev.

[Muzh]

Jone, taken by whom? The Russians or the Russian ethnic People of Donbass?

By Russian Troops.


http://news.vice.com/video/selfie-soldiers-russia-checks-in-to-ukraine?utm_source=vicenewsemail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=News_EN&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign

As eastern Ukraine is still part of Ukraine, I suppose you mean Russia.

Well, Russia has no interest in "taking" eastern Ukraine. Quite the opposite. In fact, they refuse to recognize Donbass as a souvereign country. They want them to stay With Ukraine but will support them in opposition to russophobe policies coming from Kiev.

You mean a frozen conflict a la Transnistria?

[The Natural]

You mean a frozen conflict a la Transnistria?

The conflict is With Washington! When (if) they back off, everything can go back to normal and we avoid a Nuclear holocaust. Maybe the Next US election will be key. I don't follow this very closely, but if they elect a radical anti-Russian, we may all be dead meat and sit on a cloud and think of Obama as a moderate in Foreign policy.

[Faux Pas]

Your apology was forced, and irreverent...that fact remained that you were basing your life philosophy on ignorance...

Just when I think you can't be any more ignorant than you have already displayed, you prove me wrong. Forced, how Queenie? When I am wrong, I will be the first to admit I am wrong. No shame in my game. You on the other hand are not capable of thinking yourself wrong and based on your forum postings, you're wrong 90% of the time. One can only surmise you intentionally post falsehoods for the benefit of baiting and trolling. You don't want dialogue you just want someone to disagree with you. Something like an opinion queer

Yes...Bigoted against Muslims, very obvious....   I don't claim gross ignorance on Israel...nor do I claim all encompassing knowledge, although over the past day I've done more reading on the subject...and I sure as heckfire know YOU don't have superior knowledge on the subject, although you may continue to pretend you do.   

Doesn't matter what you claim or don't claim (more deflection on your part) you have displayed gross ignorance on the history of the region. I've never claimed any superior knowledge on anything but identifying you for the ignoramus you are doesn't require it. Obviously I am light years ahead of you on this subject. Your youtube/wikipedia viewing "over the past day" hasn't brought you up to speed. Research and study Queenie and quit looking for youtube answers to the mental and verbal thrashing you're receiving here because you can't keep your pie hole shut when you haven't a clue on what you're babbling about

Here is a mini...Short Crash course for people who have an interest....it appears unbiased and doesn't suck up to either side.






Ohhhh look...a guy dreaming of 'thrashing' another guy....keep dreaming pal...I feel fine!   


Fathertime!

Perhaps I was wrong about your attempting to bait and troll and you are just plain stupid.

[fathertime]

Just when I think you can't be any more ignorant than you have already displayed, you prove me wrong. Forced, how Queenie? When I am wrong, I will be the first to admit I am wrong

BS...you do not admit you are wrong unless you are absolutely forced to...in that particular case of your ignorance about currencies, you HAD to admit your mistake because there was simply nothing else you could do...Chinese Yen....hahaha  Ignorant! 

One can only surmise you intentionally post falsehoods for the benefit of baiting and trolling. 

So far on this subject I don't think I've posted falsehoods....I continue with my original position regarding the formation of Israel in that particular location as being ill-advised...yes it did include backroom dealings too as well as winning a war..and I think I've shown that to be the case in my earlier posting....really there isn't much more that can be said...

Doesn't matter what you claim or don't claim (more deflection on your part) you have displayed gross ignorance on the history of the region. I've never claimed any superior knowledge on anything but identifying you for the ignoramus you are doesn't require it. Obviously I am light years ahead of you on this subject. Your youtube/wikipedia viewing "over the past day" hasn't brought you up to speed. Research and study Queenie and quit looking for youtube answers to the mental and verbal thrashing you're receiving here because you can't keep your pie hole shut when you haven't a clue on what you're babbling about
 

I don't recgonize anything in your writings that has shown ANY particular knowledge in the region...I do recognize your anti-Muslim bias AS USUAL.....which is obvious in the anger in which you are posting, despite your upcoming denial. 


All this interest on the subject has really helped motivate me to learn more background of Israel's formation, although it is still reaffirming the original belief regarding the placement of Israel. 


Fathertime!   

[Faux Pas]

BS...you do not admit you are wrong unless you are absolutely forced to...in that particular case of your ignorance about currencies, you HAD to admit your mistake because there was simply nothing else you could do...Chinese Yen....hahaha  Ignorant! 

How was I forced to? Did you threaten to beat me up or kidnap my wife, what? I freely admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong. That I admitted I was wrong when I was nothing more than confused on asian currency, imagine that. The fact that I can and do admit when I'm wrong makes me the bigger and more honorable man than you. Not that that is any great accomplishment

So far on this subject I don't think I've posted falsehoods....I continue with my original position regarding the formation of Israel in that particular location as being ill-advised...yes it did include backroom dealings too as well as winning a war..and I think I've shown that to be the case in my earlier posting....really there isn't much more that can be said...

You've done nothing more than parrot bullshit that you've randomly googled online from obviously your usual dubious sources. All that does is make it something you just read still have no knowledge of and you still don't know the difference. Quite moronic of you. Several have tried to tell you what happen. Why would they all say virtually the same thing? Newsflash, because it is HISTORY. Apparently, another subject of which you know nothing about.

I don't recgonize anything in your writings that has shown ANY particular knowledge in the region...I do recognize your anti-Muslim bias AS USUAL.....which is obvious in the anger in which you are posting, despite your upcoming denial. 

You couldn't possibly recognize what you don't know. Your ignorance will not permit it. You don't know, what you don't know, you know? There has been nothing in my posts projecting any anti-Muslim bias. Only you deflecting yet again and another failed strawman. Attack it if you wish. I'm not particularly fond of the religion or the culture and nor for the Jewish religion or culture. I am have only repeated history. It is you that remains in denial of history. Not my problem.

All this interest on the subject has really helped motivate me to learn more background of Israel's formation, although it is still reaffirming the original belief regarding the placement of Israel. 


Fathertime!   

Excellent! Get busy, research, study and get back to me when you have something to contribute on the subject. To date you've had zero point zero

[fathertime]

How was I forced to? Did you threaten to beat me up or kidnap my wife, what? I freely admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong. That I admitted I was wrong when I was nothing more than confused on asian currency, imagine that. The fact that I can and do admit when I'm wrong makes me the bigger and more honorable man than you.

You are getting really weird now....first you start calling me 'queenie' and 'queer'...now you talk about me beating you up and kidnapping your wife.   Why don't you keep your composure a bit and try to relax silly old man.    Sure you are allowed to toot your own horn about what a 'bigger and more honorable man' you are...I chuckle though at that coming from you.    You were forced to admit your mistake because it was too glaring not to...and it still reflects on how uneducated you were regarding currencies...which is pretty bad considering you can't stop thinking about the collapse of the dollar and rise of the 'Chinese Yen'.

  I'm not particularly fond of the religion or the culture and nor for the Jewish religion or culture. I am have only repeated history. It is you that remains in denial of history. Not my problem.

You are not particularly fond of much of anything it appears.  I'm sure the Jews and Muslims are devastated.
 

You've done nothing more than parrot bullshit that you've randomly googled online from obviously your usual dubious sources.

 


I got to chuckle again that your so upset about all this.  I merely made a comment about the placement of Israel being poor.  Then as it turns out there were backroom deals involved as well as them winning a war.  None of that is a big deal, yet you blow a gasket, probably because it is me saying it ...I don't care, I still hold the opinion and actually the more I read the more I notice it is held by others too.  So your lack of education and willingness to take a look at another viewpoint shines through as usual.  I don't mind pointing that out.  I also don't mind you moaning and crying about it or me helping to expose your continued narrow-mindedness. 


Fathertime!   

[BdHvA]

I lived in a few places but that DOES NOT make me an expert at what happened 50 years prior, nor does it for you. 

So what if a bunch of people of a certain ethnicity/religion bought a bunch of land in a certain place...That doesn't make it 'theirs'....I live in a city that is 90% Asian, so if they took a vote they might decide to create their own nation.  Here there are large sections that are practically all Latino, can they create their own nation too?  I reject your line of reasoning here.  The reason Israel is where it is, is because they won the war, and in part through backroom deals.... not on ANY moral high ground.  They have been guilty of horrific war crimes at the time of the war, and have been rather ruthless even in recent years.     

The question remains, why they had to choose a region where they clearly were going to face major problems from people within and neighbors, when there were other possible places they could have chosen.  That remains a valid question. 

Easy enough to do but I am confused by the above, care to expound and explain your logic regarding the quote?

[fathertime]

Easy enough to do but I am confused by the above, care to expound and explain your logic regarding the quote?

Hi Bdhva,
You would have to be more specific, and maybe I could respond...at this point I don't know what statement needs further explanation.


Fathertime! 

[BdHvA]

Hi Bdhva,
You would have to be more specific, and maybe I could respond...at this point I don't know what statement needs further explanation.

Fathertime!

The post you made is rather vague. It can be read in various lights or viewpoints.

Curious is English your first language?

[fathertime]

The post you made is rather vague. It can be read in various lights or viewpoints.

Curious is English your first language?

I wish I knew what your question was so I could respond in a way that was helpful.  Yes English first. What is your 1st language?


Fathertime! 

[tfcrew]

Thanks Ludmilla!

Dittos.

More about the author of that original article....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29

[Faux Pas]

You are getting really weird now....first you start calling me 'queenie' and 'queer'...now you talk about me beating you up and kidnapping your wife.   Why don't you keep your composure a bit and try to relax silly old man.    Sure you are allowed to toot your own horn about what a 'bigger and more honorable man' you are...I chuckle though at that coming from you.    You were forced to admit your mistake because it was too glaring not to...and it still reflects on how uneducated you were regarding currencies...which is pretty bad considering you can't stop thinking about the collapse of the dollar and rise of the 'Chinese Yen'.

More deflection and obfuscation. I've learned to expect nothing less from you. Are you now implying the discussion is sexual Queenie? I like Queenie. Queenie fits you and you are the biggest drama queen here. If there is anyone that can make something out of nothing, it's you. Few folks have ever been able to force me to do anything. Of course when I am wrong, nobody needs to. Learn from that Queenie 

You are not particularly fond of much of anything it appears.  I'm sure the Jews and Muslims are devastated.
 

I have no particular affection or distain for either. Although there aren't many Jews blowing up mosques in the name of God or running rampant through the middle east beheading Muslims and Christians

 

I got to chuckle again that your so upset about all this.  I merely made a comment about the placement of Israel being poor.  Then as it turns out there were backroom deals involved as well as them winning a war.  None of that is a big deal, yet you blow a gasket, probably because it is me saying it ...I don't care, I still hold the opinion and actually the more I read the more I notice it is held by others too.  So your lack of education and willingness to take a look at another viewpoint shines through as usual.  I don't mind pointing that out.  I also don't mind you moaning and crying about it or me helping to expose your continued narrow-mindedness.

 

Upset? Hardly. I don't generally get involved on the political threads just because they are nothing but subjective. But I've noticed for the last several months you delight in nothing more than baiting other posters here and don't care what you spew in order to do that. That makes you a troll and a clown Queenie.

You didn't "merely make a comment about the placement of Israel being poor". You made numerous other blatant untruths that was a gross display of your ignorance on the subject. Now me, being the humanitarian, I merely attempted to help you in your ignorance and give you an understanding of the history which you clearly have none. Zero point Zero. Yet that doesn't stop you from posting nonsense for nothing, no purpose other than a negative reaction from others. If you knew the history of the region Queenie, you would know how silly you look defending your posts on the subject.

That speck of land and, please do look at it geographically is but a very very small piece of real estate compared to the rest of the Arab world. It has much religious and historical significance to both Arab and Jew and has changed hands many times and been in control from Jews (according to the earliest recorded history) to Arabs and even Christians and back and forth over the centuries but guess what? There are dozens of other places within the Arab world that have the same significance. Read, study, learn and quit being a clown

[fathertime]

More deflection and obfuscation. I've learned to expect nothing less from you. Are you now implying the discussion is sexual Queenie? I like Queenie. Queenie fits you and you are the biggest drama queen here. If there is anyone that can make something out of nothing, it's you. Few folks have ever been able to force me to do anything. Of course when I am wrong, nobody needs to. Learn from that Queenie 

oh bs all over you.....First I'm queenie, then queer...then I'm going to beat you up and kidnap your wife....you got a screw or two loose...yeah, you were FORCED to apologize and correct yourself in that situation, no doubt about it....

 

Upset? Hardly. I don't generally get involved on the political threads just because they are nothing but subjective. But I've noticed for the last several months you delight in nothing more than baiting other posters here and don't care what you spew in order to do that. That makes you a troll and a clown Queenie.

You didn't "merely make a comment about the placement of Israel being poor". You made numerous other blatant untruths that was a gross display of your ignorance on the subject.

I don't believe I've made ANY untruths on the subject...as the main crux of my point was/is:
1. There could have been better places for it to be placed, and I question why it HAD to be placed in a region where they were not wanted. 
2.  The formation was aided by backroom deals along the way and that they won a war


I don't believe for a moment you have any special knowledge on the subject...you are just upset that I have an opinion on it at all.  TOO BAD.  I've learned more along the way, and yet still the same questions/assertions remain...stop moaning and deal with it. 


YOU may feel that all my posts are baiting...If the posts continue to upset you I don't mind at all.  Some posters (a minority here) agree with the stories/perspective  I help bring to light here.  I really don't care right now what the majority thinks is/isn't important.  There many other posts/viewpoints I don't agree with, but I often let them be, as they represent somebody who has their own thoughts on a particular subject. 

I have no particular affection or distain for either. Although there aren't many Jews blowing up mosques in the name of God or running rampant through the middle east beheading Muslims and Christians

Clearly you are woefully ignorant (by choice)...no use getting into a discussion of who is killing who, and for what reason, and by what method. 


Fathertime!

[BdHvA]

So what if a bunch of people of a certain ethnicity/religion bought a bunch of land in a certain place...That doesn't make it 'theirs'....I live in a city that is 90% Asian, so if they took a vote they might decide to create their own nation. 

I assume you enjoy sushi and noodles. Can you apply this logic to the Russian land grab in Ukraine.

Here there are large sections that are practically all Latino, can they create their own nation too?  I reject your line of reasoning here. 

Taco's and Margritta's anyone - so what is your reasoning for the same in South East Ukraine?

The reason Israel is where it is, is because they won the war, and in part through backroom deals.... not on ANY moral high ground.  They have been guilty of horrific war crimes at the time of the war, and have been rather ruthless even in recent years.     

Does Putin have any moral ground or just is rather ruthless?

[fathertime]

Does Putin have any moral ground or just is rather ruthless?

False dichotomy...it doesn't have to be one or the other.

I assume you enjoy sushi and noodles. Can you apply this logic to the Russian land grab in Ukraine.

Taco's and Margritta's anyone - so what is your reasoning for the same in South East Ukraine?
 

Personally, I don't think Russia can take over parts of Ukraine on higher moral ground....but they might do it out of  their own interests anyway...as other powerful nations/peoples sometimes have done...


Fathertime! 

[JayH]

 Queenie fits you and you are the biggest drama queen here.

 
 That makes you a troll and a clown Queenie.

Yeah--I called it some time ago when he offered this solution for Ukraine-
 

( NOT MOONING-- baring the arse and bending over in FT's win/win scenario)

[Boethius]

Luda:
 
Not even close to being true. First, there are no "Nazi storm troopers" operating in Ukraine.

If what you said is true, and you are lying, then Russia must have a history of Nazi activity, too. Last week I was honoured to be the first American journalist to enter the Stalin concentration camps in Dmitrov. I understand that the reason for my entrance was in great part to convince me that the opening of these areas is a great show of how Mr. Putin is not really such a bad guy, after all.

The fact remains that these camps were responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of innocent Russian lives. The fact is also that many of the guards, whose photos are featured prominently in the museum displays, wore the iron cross that was so loved by the Nazi party.

Does this mean that those Russians, thousands of military men and women, were Nazis? Perhaps even you, Luda, will recognize  that this symbol originated when the Teutonic Order began to feature the Teutonic black cross imposed over a silver cross of Jerusalem.

As to the swastika worn by some Ukrainian volunteers, I have asked about the reasons that a few of them like this symbol. Having learned what it means to them, (instead of remaining ignorant) and why they wear it, I now understand: For many of them it is like a middle finger jammed up the ass of Russia.

They see the Saint George cross having been obscenely converted from its holy designation to honour Russian heroes, to having been made a pathetic and gross symbol of oppression. Therefore, it can easily be understood when some choose to flaunt in the face of Russia's unmarked little green men this symbol of disrespect and loathing.

Perhaps there are a few who are indeed anti-Semite. Luda, you know that I can find plenty of anti-Semite Nazis all over Russia. This is a sad Russian trademark over the centuries, so where is your deep concern about the young nationalist Nazi groups in Russia?

That is exactly right, Mendy.


The Azov symbol is an "up yours" to Russia.


The Azov Battalion is comprised of about 1,000 fighters, 10 to 20% of whom identify as fascists so we are talking about 200 fighters, at most.  They are funded largely by Ihor Kolomoyski,  a Jewish oligarch from Dnepropetrovsk, who operates the port in Odesa, is the major shareholder in one of Ukraine's largest oil and gas companies, and owns one of Ukraine's major banks.  Kolomoyski also supports most of the Chabad Centres in Ukraine, and his sponsorship thereof has created a resurgence of Jewish religious life in Ukraine, particularly around Uman.

[Boethius]

Meanwhile,

The leader of Ukraine's Jewish communities has warned that Russian neo-Nazi organisations are increasingly active in the pro-Russian insurgency in east Ukraine.

Iosif Zisels, head of Vaad Ukraine, the Association of Jewish Organisations and Communities of Ukraine, has said that that Russia is "infected with the ideas of revanchism and that is very closely linked to fascism".


According to Zisels, neo-Nazi organisations – which have prospered in Russia for over 20 years, and fuel tensions in the country after the fall of the Soviet Union – are now operating in Ukraine after being active in Moldova and Georgia.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-who-are-russian-neo-nazi-groups-fighting-separatists-1463489

[Boethius]

Russian fascists active in Ukraine -

[Boethius]

Pavel Gubarev, the former people's governor of Donetsk, and a long time member of Russia'a neo Nazi movement, bragging on his FB page about a "real Italian fascist" joining the rebels to fight against the wrong kind of Nazis - the pro American ones".


http://www.facebook.com/pgubarev/posts/941742882519124