Elena’s Models 2 Weeks Report

[Larry1]

Larry, you mean this bypasses the need for an invite from someone residing in Belarus?

Yes, it does. I assume the agency takes care of this.

[GuppyCaptain]

Yes, it does. I assume the agency takes care of this.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

[dragonkid]

Forget that the home babes are too fat for me approach. That only reflects bad on you. Realistically they're not and further is, you just can't get one to date you that you can stand. The weight of the local gals, alcoholics, drug addicted, lazy, won't work, 5 lousy kids, 4 exes yadda yadda yadda. We've heard all of that before. Many of the guys here will agree with you and that sentiment 100% but, the truth is, you're not what the hot, quality local babes are after or you wouldn't be here. Let's call it what it is. You can do this, find a good FSUW who would love to have a life with you but, you have to be a good WM. Are you up for it?

Great post, i get asked why i want a russian girl, and my response is the same. I dated many petit girls in the UK who had active lifestyles, some were educated. Truth is in russia you can get slightly better than back home. I hate the western women bashing, it is not me, or what i am about.

A lot of guys also are scared to go outside their comfort zone. They go on these dating sites, see a girl that is better than they would get back home, and assume they don't need to work on themselves. I believe if someone is seriously seeking someone abroad they should Learn Russian,Get in decent shape,get some good photos done,consider meeting women on the street, and do whatever it takes to improve their value. They are not buying a bike, it is a once in a lifetime thing, they should be willing to put themselves through a lot of work, and hassle, and bring out their full potential, laziness is just going to hurt you.

[ML]

 I believe if someone is seriously seeking someone abroad they should Learn Russian,

Don't do it.
Use the time you would waste trying to learn Russian to further your education.  Get an MBA or whatever.  Increase your earning potential.  Start a small business on the side.  Learn how to invest in and manage Real Estate.
Learn more about computers, accounting, finance, statistics, management, marketing or whatever.

Forget this nonsense about wanting to be able to converse with her relatives (once every two years or so) or showing respect for her.  To show respect for her, study the culture, history, geography, etc., of FSU.

[dragonkid]

Don't do it.
Use the time you would waste trying to learn Russian to further your education.  Get an MBA or whatever.  Increase your earning potential.  Start a small business on the side.  Learn how to invest in and manage Real Estate.
Learn more about computers, accounting, finance, statistics, management, marketing or whatever.

Forget this nonsense about wanting to be able to converse with her relatives (once every two years or so) or showing respect for her.  To show respect for her, study the culture, history, geography, etc., of FSU.

Noted, i do a lot of reading already, and real estate is something i focus a lot of attention on. 30minutes spent on learning russian won't harm me. Plus i am looking to actually talk to the locals in fsu, not only relying on the internet to meet women, as the women i like aren't very common on dating sites. Maybe you thought i was spending a few hours a day on russian? 

[Trenchcoat]

Noted, i do a lot of reading already, and real estate is something i focus a lot of attention on. 30minutes spent on learning russian won't harm me. Plus i am looking to actually talk to the locals in fsu, not only relying on the internet to meet women, as the women i like aren't very common on dating sites. Maybe you thought i was spending a few hours a day on russian? 

I've found even 30 min a day hard with work commitments, though I guess it depends on what you do. While pacing yourself learning the language is probably a good approach I think any necessary depth in the language may take years. Going out there can help a bit as you can become accustomed and aclimatised to its use - regional accents, frequently used words, etc. I think it is an interesting approach you are taking.  I know a guy on here year's ago suggested learning Russian and getting immersed in their culture as a worthy approach - he had met his wife while she was working on the checkout in a store, because he spoke to her in Russian it helped a lot,  think he was working out there at the time as a language teacher. So, fits in a little with my original idea of just turn up though for a brief period that may have been unrealistic. I do hear thiugh that sometimes your better off speaking English than speaking Russian poorly as many Russians really dig hearing English being spoken as its seen as being desirable out there - western culture. I agree on the internet sites I don't think there a great approach, tours appeal to me a little but maybe a little costly for a few nights in a club but then again if you find someone who's I to you. Though that said for you of course looking for a virgin might be a tough get on a tour though I hear some good girls do occasionally turn up.

[msmobyone]

sticky material 

Use the time you would waste trying to learn Russian to further your education.  Get an MBA or whatever.  Increase your earning potential.  Start a small business on the side.  Learn how to invest in and manage Real Estate.
Learn more about computers, accounting, finance, statistics, management, marketing or whatever.

Forget this nonsense about wanting to be able to converse with her relatives (once every two years or so) or showing respect for her.  To show respect for her, study the culture, history, geography, etc., of FSU.

[BillyB]

Don't do it.
Use the time you would waste trying to learn Russian to further your education.  Get an MBA or whatever.  Increase your earning potential.  Start a small business on the side.  Learn how to invest in and manage Real Estate.
Learn more about computers, accounting, finance, statistics, management, marketing or whatever.

Forget this nonsense about wanting to be able to converse with her relatives (once every two years or so) or showing respect for her.  To show respect for her, study the culture, history, geography, etc., of FSU.

A lot of guys here believe learning the language is important to attract women and show respect but I'm with ML on this one. I didn't need to learn the language to attract my wife but one day, while being married, she asked my why I don't learn her language. I told her I'm either working out in the field or working or estimating costs to bid on work that feeds multiple families in the company. What is more important? I also told her that a person can only do and learn so much and should focus on what is beneficial to advance in life. She has criticized for wasting time on the forum with you guys but I told her people need help and I'm trying to save the world. You guys know the truth though. I'm here to relieve tension when I take out my frustrations on you. I kinda like it. It's better than domestic violence since there's no jail time involved.

[dragonkid]

I think any necessary depth in the language may take years. Going out there can help a bit as you can become accustomed and aclimatised to its use - regional accents, frequently used words, etc.

I agree, learning fluent russian takes many years, an average person takes i believe around 1500 hours if their native language is english, so i will be looking at 3000 

But a basic grasp of the language doesn't require that much time and effort. As long as you can say a few things, you are 90% there, from my experience on mamba, unless you speak some russian, don't bother. But if you do speak a little russian, like myself, you can get a replies. I don't think it is necessary to learn Russian, unless you are planning to talk to women in everyday life, and bars in russia, which i plan on doing

he had met his wife while she was working on the checkout in a store, because he spoke to her in Russian it helped a lot

What i plan on doing, but more in shopping malls and in red square or st petersburg

Though that said for you of course looking for a virgin might be a tough get on a tour though I hear some good girls do occasionally turn up.

Tours are great, but i looked at dream connections and none of the women really appealed to me,plus a Tour is just like going into a bar. That is why i have accepted the idea i will need to rely on sites, and to go direct and approach women in russia. I am not looking for a virgin anymore really, type of girl that i like is the one in this video for example, i just want someone to really blow me away. I am sure i can meet a girl like that online, i done it a few times before, but i kind of like the adventure and the excuse to put myself out there.

[Trenchcoat]

A lot of guys here believe learning the language is important to attract women and show respect but I'm with ML on this one. I didn't need to learn the language to attract my wife but one day, while being married, she asked my why I don't learn her language. I told her I'm either working out in the field or working or estimating costs to bid on work that feeds multiple families in the company. What is more important? I also told her that a person can only do and learn so much and should focus on what is beneficial to advance in life. She has criticized for wasting time on the forum with you guys but I told her people need help and I'm trying to save the world. You guys know the truth though. I'm here to relieve tension when I take out my frustrations on you. I kinda like it. It's better than domestic violence since there's no jail time involved.

This is true, I've bought all sorts of programs to learn the language and a few free ones, still I have only really dipped into it so far and learned the basics. Even by basic standards my grasp is basic, lol. I just never seem to get enough time to spend on it - I have a full on job, knackered afterwards, free time all sorts of essential to do stuff crops up, even as mundane as haircuts, shopping, etc. Then of course there is time taken out for messaging and skyping. Yet the girl often seems to think you have loads of time to spare, I don't think they realize the time it takes just to message & occasionally skype. Knowing a bit of the language no doubt aids when th woman knows little English but end of the day its the eyes/chemistry that tells.

[dragonkid]

Knowing a bit of the language no doubt aids when th woman knows little English but end of the day its the eyes/chemistry that tells.

I see no benefit if you are on dating sites, just aids you when talking to women in person. What i tend to do is spend 20mins listening to an audio book, and play the audio book on repeat over night, i have the book split into chapters. My goal is to have the basics down next year, when i feel more serious about my search, for now i am cruising on the sites, just messaging girls i find very attractive. 3 days ago i found myself a drop dead gorgeous girl, says on her profile she was a 28 to 35 year old, she is 22, but she favorited me. Some of the stuff i learnt from here is doing me so good lol,way i talk to a woman is different.

[Trenchcoat]

I see no benefit if you are on dating sites, just aids you when talking to women in person. What i tend to do is spend 20mins listening to an audio book, and play the audio book on repeat over night, i have the book split into chapters. My goal is to have the basics down next year, when i feel more serious about my search, for now i am cruising on the sites, just messaging girls i find very attractive. 3 days ago i found myself a drop dead gorgeous girl, says on her profile she was a 28 to 35 year old, she is 22, but she favorited me. Some of the stuff i learnt from here is doing me so good lol,way i talk to a woman is different, i know more about what she wants to hear rather than what gets her wet.

What get's her wet is good to hear about?    Just be careful with dating sites, got another removed girl I was chatting to on EM earlier which while good that they are removing them still means I've been messaging on a site where half the girls have become known as dodgy in some way, the other half I don't hold much hope for either. I just get the feeling that even on pay monthly sites your up against it as they have become full of girls interested in stuff other than what they are supposed to be there for - committed relationships. A long term feet on the ground approach may indeed be the best way.

[dragonkid]

What get's her wet is good to hear about?    Just be careful with dating sites, got another removed girl I was chatting to on EM earlier which while good that they are removing them still means I've been messaging on a site where half the girls have become known as dodgy in some way, the other half I don't hold much hope for either. I just get the feeling that even on pay monthly sites your up against it as they have become full of girls interested in stuff other than what they are supposed to be there for - committed relationships. A long term feet on the ground approach may indeed be the best way.

 i learnt a lot from here, way the guys talk, how to be more serious when talking to a woman, still throwing in some humor. I am actually really buzzing to go try out some approaching in Russia, join EM, and a few more sites, and get my search on the way. I feel like i got a good rhythm now, what i learnt on here, with my quirky humor, will go down well in russia.

[dragonkid]

I've been messaging on a site where half the girls have become known as dodgy in some way, the other half I don't hold much hope for either. I just get the feeling that even on pay monthly sites your up against it as they have become full of girls interested in stuff other than what they are supposed to be there for - committed relationships.

It is easy to avoid gold diggers, just be transparent about your life, if you have anything of value, don't say, it is pretty simple really.



It is of the opinion of my Russian friend that the girl i am talking to now is the hottest girl so far, all i did was combine the stuff i learnt from here. How to come across better to these women, you really don't need money for them. Russian women are known for the "money game" term used on roosh forum, which means a big wallet will take you very far, hence why you see some of the users here with younger wives. Won't mention any names, but a certain someone on here that claims to be a weapons dealer, has a yacht, lives in the Bahamas, buying copious amount of physical gold, 4 books, spent hundreds of thousands on women during a 3 year search, and preaches all women love money, will attract women that "will never really love you", words from my female Russian friend. i really do believe that majority of women are interested in your wallet, but you can get away with far less than what you think, if a woman truly likes you. some users here had women when they had plenty money, guess what happened when they lost it? Their wives dropped them like hot coal, so much for years of being married being proof that a woman loves you,these are guys that married fsuw.

[msmobyone]

Is it just me ... ? Why spend all that wasted time chatting - when you could be a least having a virtual face to face conversation - seeing emotions, facial expressions..

[dragonkid]

Is it just me ... ? Why spend all that wasted time chatting - when you could be a least having a virtual face to face conversation - seeing emotions, facial expressions..

I agree with you, you posted once that if you like someone, just hop on the plane within 2 weeks.  i am just simply not serious about my search as of yet. It will take a lot for me to change my mind.

[lyndontom]

Is it just me ... ? Why spend all that wasted time chatting - when you could be a least having a virtual face to face conversation - seeing emotions, facial expressions..

+1

I agree with you, you posted once that if you like someone, just hop on the plane within 2 weeks.  i am just simply not serious about my search as of yet. It will take a lot for me to change my mind.

Then what is the point in these chats at all other than to pass the time and stroke your ego? Just a waste of your time and even more so hers if you are not serious in your search. Just my opinion FWIW.

[dragonkid]

Then what is the point in these chats at all other than to pass the time and stroke your ego? Just a waste of your time and even more so hers if you are not serious in your search. Just my opinion FWIW.

Because i have no idea if i will feel something more than just physical desire, if i do, then i am game.  i am not even feeling to sleep with these women, i just stick with women in UK who are up for casual sex. i don't feel like deceiving people into thinking i want a relationship, saw what it did to guys like roosh. If i can keep my compassionate side, work on myself, i will do good when i am serious about my search.

[lyndontom]

Because i have no idea if i will feel something more than just physical desire, if i do, then i am game.  i am not even feeling to sleep with these women, i just stick with women in UK who are up for casual sex. i don't feel like deceiving people into thinking i want a relationship, saw what it did to guys like roosh. If i can keep my compassionate side, work on myself, i will do good when i am serious about my search.

I'm not having a go at you, I just think you're totally confused about what it is you're looking for. You also said this:

     

I am not looking for a virgin anymore really, type of girl that i like is the one in this video for example, i just want someone to really blow me away. I am sure i can meet a girl like that online, i done it a few times before, but i kind of like the adventure and the excuse to put myself out there.

I watched the video and the girl didn't say a word, which to me contradicts some of the other things you've been saying, like above about it being more than looks and staying in the UK to get casual sex. It's not a criticism; I am only a couple of years older than you and was where you were a few years ago.
 

[dragonkid]

I'm not having a go at you, I just think you're totally confused about what it is you're looking for.

like above about it being more than looks

Purely is looks for me, my attraction to Slavic women has been based on looks only,nothing to do with fsuw vs western women personality. when i do decide to pursue this for a lifetime partner, i will definitely be more critical on the woman's personality rather than just looks.

[zabi]

Hi All,

I am zabiulla from india , looking for Russian women for marriage.
Could you please help me.
I am post graduate in master of business administration and working for 7 years in india.

[John Gaunt]

Hi All,

I am zabiulla from india , looking for Russian women for marriage.
Could you please help me.
I am post graduate in master of business administration and working for 7 years in india.

You have been posting the same thing for the past five years.
In that time you could have found a ice Indian woman , of which there are many, I’m sure and been married with kids, by now.

In any case, I doubt any Russian women would be interested.

[2tallbill]

Look it's Trenchcoats first post. Writing words without meaning anything, wants something
for free, Wedging himself into someone else's thread. Want's to skip vital steps that can't
be skipped. Prevarication around the bush. December 13th 2015, how long has he been
doing this?

I second this, thinking myself of taking a couple of weeks holiday out there this Spring-Summer,
probably St. Petersburg, maybe Moscow, just costs a few hundred pounds from the UK. So
figure I can roll in a bit of touristy stuff into the picture and check out the women along
the way - in bars, restaurants , wherever - just a case of seeing one that gives you a bit
of notice. Would be handy if anyone knows a decent walk-in dating agency where I could
meet potential women also? Not really into all the dating tour stuff, a little costly and got
too much of singles night look to them which I've had enough of over here.

Used to use this site a few years back when I thought I would give the correspondence thing
a go to see how it would work out. Correspondence with girl in the Ukraine, letters seemed
genuine enough - replied to most of my questions with down to earth responses, a bit
before facebook etc was real big so no real way of checking online. Got to the point where
we did a skype through the agency - she seemed nice and interested, attracted.

Sent her some flowers which she wrote that she liked. Then started to correspond through
Email (to make sure it wasn't an agency string along)  - but it was at his point contact dried up -
guessing either the agency caught on/was a string along or she went with someone else, etc.
For me it was not really an expensive experience or mistake so I was not really put out but
just goes to show you can put in time and some small expenditure and end up with a no
go even without the outright scams that ask for money.

So in all honesty I would rather just go over without trying to line up dates through correspondence.
I kind of find it a bit weird writing letters to someone first before meeting/seeing them - sure it can
happen, but as said above there's no telling if there's chemistry there. Better I think to meet the
person first and make quicker progress face to face, being able to read each other. After all its the
guy who's there with face to face where the relationships tend to happen not some message
printout from some dude who she knows she'll probably never meet - that's my thoughts anyway.     

[Trenchcoat]

Look it's Trenchcoats first post. Writing words without meaning anything, wants something
for free, Wedging himself into someone else's thread. Want's to skip vital steps that can't
be skipped. Prevarication around the bush. December 13th 2015, how long has he been
doing this?

Is it time of the month for you Beel? Period come on real bad for you this time? 🤔

Seems that you are on a real bitchfest, have a go at trench kind of moment.

I write how I write and am who I am. Perhaps some readers don't like it but perhaps some may. Yes my thoughts are an outpouring of thinking in my mind and the weighing it that goes on in my mind as things go along. It's how my mind works. Again since my find such a download useful sound may not.

Missing vital steps that should not be missed? Maybe.

Who knows if I had gone to St. Petersburg something wouldn't have happened. Stuff like that can but I accept the odds now were probably fairly remote. As said the idea was generally to have an interesting holiday abroad and who knows. In that respect it wasn't the worst idea as some have said along the way that going over to the FSU for a holiday first before jumping into dating isn't a bad idea and I see sense in that. The culture is different, the society is different, the language is different, the way people are is different, the place is different, etc. A lot can be learned outside of a dating environment about a people and their environment. I would say it is almost essential maybe even essential to get that down first.

Some have gotten that down along the way, like me through dating girls, though spare time around cities out in the FSU. Others could get it down upfront by a tourist visit to FSU cities. There are even tourist tours you can go on out there, like love/romance tours without the love/romance (and without the pro-dating scammer girls) where you can go around with a group of westerns/foreigners just being hearded around tourist stuff and seeing the sights so you aren't alone out there on your first trip or chancing that you are with a decent girl who will do right by you.

On such a tourist tour I would say don't just look at the tourist attractions you are visiting, dong just take in the history of the place (that is important too) but also (particularly in the less touristy moments) look around you and see and analyse how people are around you, you can learn a hell of a lot by that. What are they like? How do they look? How do they act? What do they wear? How do they behave? How do they interact? What seems to be of value to them? How is everything looking around you? etc, etc.

It's just a case of taking in what is there. Does the tour coach pass through many run down areas of old industrial factories long since redundant? Does it pass through areas where such areas they are knocking that stuff down and building a little of brand spanking new commercial buildings, etc.

Do the people look disheveled? How many so? Are there beggars? Do people give to beggars or give them a wide birth? How are the women dressed? Are they walking around single or with someone? Other women? A guy? What age? From looking at the women can you tell what they seem to value there? What are their likely values? Etc, etc, etc...

You could ask the local population questions (if it seems safe to do so) the guys, the girls. You can no doubt learn a lot from that. It may or may not be the truth, it may just be his they see things or how most do and the way things tend to be or they may not wish to say much to you. However, keeping vigilant and noticing what goes on around you and analysing well is a good skill to develop I feel.

I'm pretty sure a FSW that you are dating will pick up pretty quickly if you are clueless about her country and it's people. Be sure to read up on here, the internet, news sites regularly also. But taking time out to visit, see places in the FSU country of interest and analyse the place will come through I believe to any FSW you meet. Sure some places are different within a country and you probably won't have the time to visit all but you can read up and hear about them. I feel what is important is that any guy embarking on this mission of finding a FSW to be with understands that a FSW will want to feel that the foreign guy she is with has some kind of an idea and interest in her culture, that he gets it at some level even if not as correct as she might see it.

For the guy, realising what the place is like that the women you are wanting to date come from I feel us imperative. Sure mistakes can be made and it's easy to go wrong, meet the wrong woman, play it the wrong way, get misunderstandings or lack of knowledge mess things up, it happens but I think success can potentially be built on the bedrock of understanding about a place and it's people and in that seeing and analysing a place and it's people in-person is key.

[krimster2]

Beel gets that way sometimes....
I attribute it to "altitude sickness" caused by his gigantic stature, he needs to breathe through a tube that has a lower air intake to fix that

these here boards, always turn into "jousting contests" between knights of different persuations

the bible sez, "the lord chastiseth whom he loveth"
BEEL, is trying to express his love for you Trench, but love is a confusing emotion, and BEEL finds it hard to express his love fer you
and he does so awkwardly

everytime BEEL "roasts you" is just his way of sayin he loves you
just don't drop a 50p coin in front of him, and bend over to pick it up....
know what i'm sayin, goes fer all them anti-gay dewds....hmmmmm hmmmmmm