charmdate scammed for sure

[tanarus]

hello , I am new to this site. Just some FYI for those out their who think have been scammed on this site.

Here is my story anyways, joined charmdate.com, met a young lady gorgeous interested in a older man, I was sucked in for 4 days of paying for their chat with her and few emf mails back and fourth to her. Well I am always on guard. Things were fine, I thought was legit, until she sends me a few photos at 7.00 usd a pop. Very pretty high quality, all was okay until closer examination where in a few of the photos I noticed and being a dude hehe, her breast appeared to be bigger and smaller in a few of the photos. the more distance photos with todays tech can actually tell was reduced in size, as for the close-ups of her they were much larger, I guess to entice the average man with their magnetism . Well I will admit they are good at what they do on that site. Got me for around 250 USD before I caught on. Anyone else have an experience like this before?

[jone]

OMG!

You mean that the picture were doctored to make her breasts look bigger?  How did they do that?  Padded bra?  Push up bra?  Use of scoop neck? 

My friend, women have been using devices to make their boobs more attractive since, well, I don't know.  I'm not that old. 

The bigger issues is whether you were chatting with a woman or her agency representative.  Chances are your beautiful woman really goes by the name of Hairy Boris.

CharmDate is what we call a PPL (Pay per letter) or PPC (Pay per chat).  The likelihood of you actually talking to a lady is remote.  The likelihood of her being there for anything other than a paycheck that she receives by talking to you is even more remote.

What is the chance of your grand daughter wishing to marry a man your age?  Think this one through and read the huge number of posts on scams on this forum.

$250 is nothing.  We've had guys on here who have been scammed $25000, at least.

[ML]

My friend, women have been using devices to make their boobs more attractive since, well, I don't know.  I'm not that old. 

According to Life magazine, in 1889 Herminie Cadolle of France invented the first modern bra. It appeared in a corset catalogue as a two-piece undergarment, which she originally called the corselet gorge, and later le bien-être (or "the well-being"). Her garment effectively cut the traditional corset in two. The lower part was a corset for the waist, the upper supporting the breasts by means of shoulder straps. Her description reads "designed to sustain the bosom and supported by the shoulders". She patented her invention and showed it at the Great Exhibition of 1889. The company, still family-owned, claims today that Herminie "freed women by inventing the first Bra."

[TagUrIt898]

Sorry to hear you got duped and thanks for sharing the information. You may prevent someone else from experiencing the same thing. With that being said, chasing an FSUW is no easy task.  Do your research and you a LOT of common sense. If it doesn't seem right, if probably isn't.

Try some reputable sites and best of luck to you.

Tag

[Muzh]

Sorry to hear you got duped and thanks for sharing the information. You may prevent someone else from experiencing the same thing. With that being said, chasing an FSUW is no easy task.  Do your research and you a LOT of common sense. If it doesn't seem right, if probably isn't.

Try some reputable sites and best of luck to you.

Tag

Psst, I don't believe any shit posted here by some one-hit wonder. Maybe after his third or fourth post, IF the do not conflict in the story telling. 

[Miquel Westano]

Well I will admit they are good at what they do on that site. Got me for around 250 USD before I caught on. Anyone else have an experience like this before?

$250?  That hardly qualifies as them having made a big score.  My guess is a guy would spend that much several times on the wrong choice before you found the right one.  Then when you find the right one, the real cost begins.  If $250 is a game changer for you, you need to cash in your chips and go buy a puppy.  Never sit in a game if you can't afford the stakes.  It guarantees every decision you make will be to cut cost out of fear,  instead of doubling up in an attempt to win the pot.

Good luck finding a bargain basement bride.  I haven't read a success story on here yet that included the words cheap and successful. 

[Anotherkiwi]

...If $250 is a game changer for you, you need to cash in your chips and go buy a puppy.  Never sit in a game if you can't afford the stakes.  It guarantees every decision you make will be to cut cost out of fear,  instead of doubling up in an attempt to win the pot.

Good luck finding a bargain basement bride.  I haven't read a success story on here yet that included the words cheap and successful.

Miquel, where do you get this from?  You always seem to be inferring the worst from any post like this, instead of simply taking it at face value.  All the guy has said is that he spent $250 before he caught on.  It's just a comment - it doesn't mean that this was his life savings!

[Faux Pas]

Psst, I don't believe any shit posted here by some one-hit wonder. Maybe after his third or fourth post, IF the do not conflict in the story telling. 

Hell I believe him! She got me good too. Once on the 5th, again on the 6th, 3 times on the 8th and twice last week! 

[Miquel Westano]

Miquel, where do you get this from?  You always seem to be inferring the worst from any post like this, instead of simply taking it at face value.  All the guy has said is that he spent $250 before he caught on.  It's just a comment - it doesn't mean that this was his life savings!

Uh, from this; "Well I will admit they are good at what they do on that site. Got me for around 250 USD before I caught on."

If they were good, they would have got him for more than $250.00 before he caught on.  And if $250.00 seems like enough money to feel scammed and be on the forums warning others about, he likely is playing ball in the wrong league.  I would have assumed $250.00 per contact times 8-10 women would be a bargain for narrowing down an overseas prospect. 

I chimed in with an opinion, nothing more and nothing less.  I think someone else pointed out guys have spent 100x as much.  $250.00 is what?  A nice meal in cities like NY or LA?  That just seemed like a small amount in this venture.   

Oddly I think I am one of the positive posters on here, rather than looking for or inferring the worst.  I'll be sure to watch that, and thanks for bringing it to my attention.     

[Boethius]

$250 is more than the average Ukrainian makes in a month.  I would hazard a guess that site is based in Ukraine.   So, for the scammers, it is not an insignificant amount of money.

[Miquel Westano]

$250 is more than the average Ukrainian makes in a month.  I would hazard a guess that site is based in Ukraine.   So, for the scammers, it is not an insignificant amount of money.

No, but for the guy on the hunt, it needs to be.  I just can't see getting into looking overseas if $250 meant much to me.  But whatever.

[Boethius]

But why should anyone support scammers? 


It's not the amount.  It's the dishonesty, which exists in spades in Ukraine.

[msmobyone]

Psst, I don't believe any shit posted here by some one-hit wonder. Maybe after his third or fourth post, IF the do not conflict in the story telling. 

Believe it.. this site is a joke..

I was interested in a lady and paid for some letters - I should know better... I knew she existed for real and where she was and noticed she was 'online' ..couldn't resist and when whoever I was chatting with realised I knew the lady and couldn't answer without proving I knew it wasn't really the object of my desire - the replies stopped... apparently the child needed her - was the excuse...

I complained, with all the evidence and found I was corresponding with a Chinese gentleman in Hong Kong who was full of platitudes but wouldn't deal with the issue.

I wrote to the lady directly, informed her of the 'games' and gave myself a slap for using the pay by letter model.

Said lady, knew that the 'agency' sometimes replied on her behalf and that they used photos of her that were 5 years old and she looked VERY different on her social media page.

Really interested ladies will move to 'delete'  a middle man ... A agency such as this wants us daft gits to fall in love with a photo

avoid

[jone]

$250 is more than the average Ukrainian makes in a month.  I would hazard a guess that site is based in Ukraine.   So, for the scammers, it is not an insignificant amount of money.

The average income for a Ukrainian, according to the most recent statistics is over $6000 per year.  Of course, in the past year that figure may be reduced with the 15% war tax surcharge and the fall of value of the Grivna.

I used to think that Ukrainian women were dishonest.  Then it came to me that they are desperate for money and, therefore, cannot afford to ignore avenues of income, even if they are somewhat questionable.  After all, if a guy is stupid enough not to get that a site like this is a scam, he deserves to be taken.   

Are they belligerent?  No.  They just need some cold hard cash. 

[Boethius]

There is massive unemployment in Ukraine currently.  Most of those working are not making $400 per month.


I disagree with you about avenues of income.  My grandparents were poor.  I grew up poor. My husband grew up in abject poverty, much worse than what any of those Ukrainian women are living under.  None of us ever used questionable methods of obtaining money, and most Ukrainians don't either.  If a woman does, it says something about her lack of character.

[Miquel Westano]

But why should anyone support scammers? 


It's not the amount.  It's the dishonesty, which exists in spades in Ukraine.

They shouldn't and I agree with you dishonesty is inexcusable.  I guess once again I am doing a poor job making my point.  I just don't think a $250 cost to spot a scammer is something that should be of much concern to anyone looking for an overseas relationship.  I would expect to find lots of financial challenges costing more than that.  They would just be part of the total cost of this type of venture to me.  At a cost of only $250 I would consider myself lucky to be done with that lady/agency and just move on to the next one without much thought. 

I also think a guy who goes so far as to jump online and make a thread over $250 rather than just cutting the communication and moving on is in a game over his head.  And I think a "scam site" that only got him for $250 is hardly good at it, since some of the stories on here involve $10,000 plus.

I would never excuse thievery.  But when you go into a long distance relationship through a third party agency, it is something you would have to be willing to contend with.  If $250 is enough to affect you emotionally or financially then it is probably an endeavor you should avoid, in my opinion.

[Boethius]

I don't think the OP stated he was emotionally overwrought.


Sometimes, people are just enraged at being scammed.  It isn't the amount of money, it's the principle.

[Anotherkiwi]

Sometimes, people are just enraged at being scammed.  It isn't the amount of money, it's the principle.

Exactly! 

I was silly enough to join Globalladies back in the day, and it took a couple of months to realise that it was all just a con.  It didn't cost me very much (maybe $60 or $70), but I was still annoyed enough to vent at the management (who responded with the expected platitudes about how "women can always change their minds about corresponding," etc.).

[jone]

There is massive unemployment in Ukraine currently.  Most of those working are not making $400 per month.


I disagree with you about avenues of income.  My grandparents were poor.  I grew up poor. My husband grew up in abject poverty, much worse than what any of those Ukrainian women are living under.  None of us ever used questionable methods of obtaining money, and most Ukrainians don't either.  If a woman does, it says something about her lack of character.

You're pretty comfortable sitting up there in Canada and pontificating.    You have that luxury. 

[Boethius]

Have you ever read Ostrosky?  Read Poverty is Not a Vice.  Basic message - being poor is not a crime.  What you do, is.


Yes, I can pontificate, because I come from a background of poverty.  Poorer than most of those Ukrainians.  And no one in my family ever stole or cheated others, then justified it on the basis that they're poor.

[GatoMoon]

Miquel, where do you get this from?  You always seem to be inferring the worst from any post like this, instead of simply taking it at face value.  All the guy has said is that he spent $250 before he caught on.  It's just a comment - it doesn't mean that this was his life savings!

+1   

[JayH]

Jone& MrsB-- I think you are a little at cross purposes here.   A scam is a scam is a scam!

That is quite a lot different to the scenario  Jone was actually referring to above-and  Jon-correct me if I am wrong about what you were thinking when you wrote above-

The situation of a girl signing up with an agency -then purportedly writing letters,doing chat,eliciting "gifts: etc by making herself-profile available to men is not a scam-as such.Basically--the Ukrainian ( & fsuw generally) attitude is this--the men are volunteers to paying out.
Without getting into western legal and moral concepts-none of that applies in these cases.

In effect-she has made herself available ( not to have some dunce think it is a matter of him selecting his choice of the shelf etc more fool he is)-- and to the right set of circumstances-- a positive result is possible.

EG-several members prominent here are now married to girls they met through  some of the most notorious sites

There is a difference- the problem is guys who drop a few bucks through their own stupidity don't like being made look as ridiculous as they are-hence they come to sites like this thinking they have just made the discovery of the century to tell us all about how stupid they were!

Fact is-plenty forum guys have spent easy $25,000 plus to find that out about web sites-not $250 !One case the guy had spent nearly $200,000.00.

The systems in place for many of these websites are based in the west-- and generally out of reach of legal implications in western jurisdictions.The agencies in the fsu are not subject to lowest common denominator western style  consumer protection laws-- so it is pretty much caveat emptor

[GatoMoon]

Jone& MrsB-- I think you are a little at cross purposes here.   A scam is a scam is a scam!

+1

$250 or $2500 or $1 is still a scam

[GatoMoon]

But why should anyone support scammers? 


It's not the amount.  It's the dishonesty, which exists in spades in Ukraine.

+1

[ML]

Interestingly (or not), Ochka and I have discovered, through our detailed talks . . . that she grew up in a Ukrainian family that faced less poverty than my family experienced here in USA.

She:  Both parents some college, solid lifetime jobs, only two children, plots of land heavily used for garden, orchard and small farm animals.

Me: Father completed 3rd grade, mother 8th grade, menial jobs that changed frequently, 7 children, moved often, no garden, etc.  And we grew up in an era before the massive welfare state that exists now.

Only thing in common . . . no one in either family stole anything or scammed anyone.