Guide me..!! :)

[sathyashrayan]

I all.. I am a male from southern part of India. Aged 37. After getting rejected by several girls from my own land due to high expectation for monthly Income and old in age, I have opened up my Idea of trying out my search beyond borders.

But why Russia? I have heard that there are lot of ladies who are single in Russia due to some crises (don’t know what that means). I got introduced to the term “mail order bride” from an daily news article. So I thought why should not I venture into this horizon.

Can anyone guide me?

[ML]

You will need much more money if you go after a woman from FSU (Former Soviet Union).

So if local gals think you don't have enough money . . . abandon this FSU idea immediately.

[sathyashrayan]

You will need much more money if you go after a woman from FSU (Former Soviet Union).

So if local gals think you don't have enough money . . . abandon this FSU idea immediately.

Hi ML,
 
   Thanks for your reply. The Income I get is more than enough to run a family in India (40,000 INR per month) but its not enough for several brides around here. They expect around 70-100k INR per month. Other than that, they often look out for guys settled abroad. In your reply to a thread titled "in search of a soul mate..from india!!" you have mentioned a story of a USA guy who got lot offers as photos. On the contrary we get little such photos or not even a single one..

[Turboguy]

Well, let me start by saying that for those who don't know the value of Indian money that works out to $ 605.00 USD per month.  That is probably a very nice income there and would let you live well but searching for a bride in Russia and/or Ukraine can be very expensive.  I am not saying you won't be able to do it but it won't be easy.  It takes a lot of trips to do it right and the amount of money people spend looking for the right woman can get pretty high.  I would say that many spend $ 25,000 or so in their search.  I spent quite a bit more than that (about $ 125,000.00) but it was worth every penny.


I do wish you luck.

[ML]

Hi ML,
 
   Thanks for your reply. The Income I get is more than enough to run a family in India (40,000 INR per month) but its not enough for several brides around here. They expect around 70-100k INR per month. Other than that, they often look out for guys settled abroad. In your reply to a thread titled "in search of a soul mate..from india!!" you have mentioned a story of a USA guy who got lot offers as photos. On the contrary we get little such photos or not even a single one..

Your income may be enough to support a locally born and raised Indian woman.

But it will not even come close to covering the very high expenses you would encounter in making several trips to FSU to find and woo a woman, and to cover the immigration and relocation expenses that will pile up.

Look at the numbers Turboguy posted.

Just trying to help you here.

In most cases, guys are better off not even looking at pictures of expensive cars, yachts, etc.  Just leads to too much depression.

[jone]

I have to buy my woman a yacht now?   

[ML]

Required in the third year.

[mendeleyev]

Most FSU ladies, unless they are willing to marry you now for the purposes of "upgrading husbands" later, will find your income uninteresting. That is really a good thing because if she marries you mainly because of income, it will not last.

A bad but accurate paraphrase from FSU ladies: Better to be home at home, than poor in an unknown land.

[2tallbill]

Hi ML,
 
   Thanks for your reply. The Income I get is more than enough to run a family in India (40,000 INR per month)

40,000 INR per month is $605 per month. That's not even close to enough money
to pursue a woman from the FSU. That's maybe 10% of what you need per month.
You are far better off trying to find a local girl.

[jone]

40,000 INR per month is $605 per month. That's not even close to enough money
to pursue a woman from the FSU. That's maybe 10% of what you need per month.
You are far better off trying to find a local girl.

Hell, the $605 per month is less than I spend on my woman in one week.  And that is just on her purchases.  Has nothing to do with the income of running a household, etc.  I would change that to be $6000 disposable income.

[BillyB]

The Income I get is more than enough to run a family in India (40,000 INR per month) but its not enough for several brides around here.

I wish I had enough income for several brides too but I had to settle for one! Are mistresses more affordable?


Welcome to the forum Sathyashrayan. There are free sites to use to search for Russian women. I say go for it....but don't only focus on RW for a wife. Some Indian men have married RW and brought them back to India but that is very rare. The chances you will be successful is very small and the chances you will be a lonely man for the rest of your life will increase if RW is all you seek. Some men, even in America, limit their search to one country, city, or even one girl at a time and they greatly increase their chances on living a good portion of their lives alone. So I say go after RW and Indian women and even women from other countries. Increasing your options increases your chances of finding love.


Budget enough money for multiple trips for you and your lady. A RW will most likely want to travel back home occasionally even if she agrees to marry and live with you in India.

[Boethius]

The posts here tend to support assertions that FSUW are looking for a stepped up lifestyle, rather than love.

[JayH]

The posts here tend to support assertions that FSUW are looking for a stepped up lifestyle, rather than love.

The  2 are not mutually exclusive !

The concept that only 16 year olds without life complications can fall in love is a ridiculous proposition.

[2tallbill]

The posts here tend to support assertions that FSUW are looking for a stepped up lifestyle, rather than love.

The guy makes $605 usd per month! He can't afford to fly to Russia. He can't afford
to fly her to India. He can't afford it even once. Let's say somebody here at
the forum bought him a round trip ticket to Russia, what then? could he rent an
apartment? could he even feed himself if he found himself in St Pete?

It would be absolutely irresponsible for any of us to suggest he has a chance seeking
an FSUW. He would be wasting his time and the girls time. There are people starving
to death right now today in India₁. He can go to his church and ask around, 
his mother probably could line up a dozen girls. There are girls in India would love to
marry him and he wouldn't need to spend a 2-3 thousand dollars to visit her.

The OP can probably tell us why his income isn't enough for local girls. India legally
did away with the caste system but it's not dead for sure. Maybe he only sought an
upper caste or whatever it's called₂.


1. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/16/10424930-indias-hunger-shame-3000-children-die-every-day-despite-economic-growth?lite
2. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/indias-caste-system.html

[BillyB]

The posts here tend to support assertions that FSUW are looking for a stepped up lifestyle, rather than love.

What man or woman doesn't want a better life? Motives should be questions though. Some women are gold diggers and others need financial security for the family, children or future children. Nothing wrong about women who seek financial security for the benefit of their family instead of just themselves. Love isn't going to feed a RW should she choose to marry a man that can't afford to feed a family. Sathyashrayan feels his salary is enough. Some think it's not enough travel to and from the FSU. Will the RW he pursues feel it's enough? If Sathyashrayan feels he can start and finish this endeavor without throwing his money away chasing unrealistic goals, he should start communicating with RW and sees where it leads.

[GatoMoon]

I all.. I am a male from southern part of India. Aged 37. After getting rejected by several girls from my own land due to high expectation for monthly Income and old in age, I have opened up my Idea of trying out my search beyond borders.

But why Russia? I have heard that there are lot of ladies who are single in Russia due to some crises (don’t know what that means). I got introduced to the term “mail order bride” from an daily news article. So I thought why should not I venture into this horizon.

Can anyone guide me?

First of all, congratulations on beating South Africa in 1st Test cricket.  Knew India would win 3 days on spinning-friendly ground

Anyway, it is NOT impossible to find the woman who seek love anywhere in the world, in India or in Russia or even in Antarctica.

If a woman who seek marriage for money, move on.  She isn't worth your time. 

These posters who wrote negatively postings are them who probably married women that seek better lifestyle (!).  That's not a true love!

It is expensive to take many trips to Ukraine/Russia though but it is not impossible.  With the right woman, you can do it.   If you are looking for hottest possible woman, your chance will be very thin, but I am not saying it is impossible.  It is like Virat Kohli making all ducks in the next 5 tests!!

[GatoMoon]

RW should she choose to marry a man that can't afford to feed a family.

You are missing the point.  MOST FSU women married FSU men, and these men do not earn good money.  If they can do it, then they can do it with foreigners, but the problems that these women are greedy which are no good. 

[BillyB]

You are missing the point.  MOST FSU women married FSU men, and these men do not earn good money. 

What is your point? RW are satisfied when marrying men who aren't financially secure? You think they like this? Do you think a RW is willing to hang around a deadbeat husband while she and her children are starving? Love doesn't conquer all and certainly doesn't solve all the problems. With RW, to gain their love, you must first gain their respect. A man who is unemployed or works a simple job is less likely to gain respect than a man who is well accomplished. Life isn't fair for the poor and it shouldn't be.

If they can do it, then they can do it with foreigners, but the problems that these women are greedy which are no good.

If "sincere" RW are willing to marry men who are not financially secure, what makes you think they're ok to do it with foreigners rather than men at home? It's better to struggle at home around friends and family than in a far away land.


Looking for financial stability doesn't make anybody greedy or bad. Do you want you, your wife, and your children to struggle in life? Will you be happy living in the ghetto or a trailer park home? Will you be satisfied your children can't go to college because you don't have enough money, just love to give them? Most intelligent people are not happy living in poor conditions or struggling through life and it's smart for them to get to a better place.

[GatoMoon]

What is your point? RW are satisfied when marrying men who aren't financially secure? You think they like this? Do you think a RW is willing to hang around a deadbeat husband while she and her children are starving? Love doesn't conquer all and certainly doesn't solve all the problems. With RW, to gain their love, you must first gain their respect. A man who is unemployed or works a simple job is less likely to gain respect than a man who is well accomplished. Life isn't fair for the poor and it shouldn't be.



If "sincere" RW are willing to marry men who are not financially secure, what makes you think they're ok to do it with foreigners rather than men at home? It's better to struggle at home around friends and family than in a far away land.


Looking for financial stability doesn't make anybody greedy or bad. Do you want you, your wife, and your children to struggle in life? Will you be happy living in the ghetto or a trailer park home? Will you be satisfied your children can't go to college because you don't have enough money, just love to give them? Most intelligent people are not happy living in poor conditions or struggling through life and it's smart for them to get to a better place.

Excuses.... more excuses...........

Millions have survived this way.  I grew up with a single mother so I knew what was like to be 'poor' having no money at all, but I have never, not once, complain about it.   The children can take out loan when they go to college or they prefer to borrow money for car, fancy cellular phones, iPad, and what else!

[2tallbill]

You are missing the point.  MOST FSU women married FSU men, and these men do not earn good money.  If they can do it, then they can do it with foreigners, but the problems that these women are greedy which are no good.

Let's get realistic for a moment. Yes most FSUW married local men because the men
were there in person to romance them in Russian. These men weren't trying to take
them away from their language, country, family and culture. Local men didn't have
to travel half way around the world to romance them and if they did they would have
to have the money to travel. These local men have all the time in the world with boots
on the ground (and under her bed). A foreign man has to travel and he has to spend
time in person with a girl, boots on the ground in her country.

This guy can't afford to fly to the FSU. He can't afford to fly her to India. You are trying
to tell a guy who can't afford to meet a girl in person that he has a chance? The guy
didn't say what age of women he was looking for but I will bet you it isn't 37 year old
women either.

[ML]

Excuses.... more excuses...........

Millions have survived this way.  I grew up with a single mother so I knew what was like to be 'poor' having no money at all, but I have never, not once, complain about it.   The children can take out loan when they go to college or they prefer to borrow money for car, fancy cellular phones, iPad, and what else!

Gato, you are seriously missing the point.

Most of us would agree that if he found a FSU woman living in India who did not desire to return to FSU to visit, then he might be able to support her and a family.

But it is the travel to find and woo the FSU woman, transactions costs to get her to India, and the frequent trips back to FSU that he cannot afford on his salary.

A woman might agree to live in poverty with you . . . but there are extra costs involved when dealing with an international woman which have nothing to do with her being a gold digger.

[jone]

Gato,

You set off a couple of alarm bells with me when you mentioned your failures on TravelGirls.  My sense is that you are planning to get a woman with minimal expense.  I congratulate you on such a strategy as this is already your third trip to Ukraine.

But I will tell you something that my fiancee told me a week ago.  We were talking about discretionary income versus total income.  This concept comes hard for an FSU woman.  For them, discretionary income is all the income you make.  Keep in mind that an apartment is usually less than three hundred dollars a month.  We rent an apartment in my fiancee's home city.  It is very upscale and has amenities that most apartments don't have.  I pay $350.00 for it. 

To make a long story short, most of the services (health care, dental) are subsidized by the State.  The apartments are very cheap.  So the amount of disposable income that an average FSU woman has can even be greater than that held by a Western Man, simply because she doesn't need to spend her income on things that we are required to. 

You might ask what all this means?  To some women who are there only for love, maybe nothing.  But for the average FSU woman that is considering a man from out of her country, a better standard (or even equal standard) of living is of necessity for her peace of mind. 

One more thing:  The cost of food and normal purchase items like clothes and hardware items are much, much cheaper in the FSU than in Western countries.  A gallon of milk will cost me $.85 in Kazakhstan.  In the US it costs between four and five dollars.  My fiancee has never had to contemplate these things because I am happy to accommodate her.  But, the simple fact is that I can. 

Anyone considering this avenue of dating also needs to be able to say that they can as well.

[Boethius]

The guy makes $605 usd per month! He can't afford to fly to Russia. He can't afford

A flight from Delhi to Moscow, in high season, is 30,000 rupees.    Unless you know the cost of living in India, you can't know what the OP can, or cannot, afford.

My husband's take? - "Russians believe they are superiour human beings.  Most would not deign to live in what they consider a third world country."

How about Ukrainians?, I asked.

"Pretty much the same."

[Boethius]

The  2 are not mutually exclusive !

The concept that only 16 year olds without life complications can fall in love is a ridiculous proposition.

Did I hit a tender spot? 


People who first seek material comfort usually make their decision on that basis, rather than on such mundane issues as love.

[zooble]

I don't want to get your hopes down but realistically 'outlook looks bleak'.

I'd say people saying you can't afford the search and the life after are pretty spot on. How many trips home can you afford for her working in India? She is not just going to abandon her family. Not to mention, in several Russian cities the girls will be earning more than what you do!

No one has mentioned it and this may sound racist but it's the hard truth when it comes to relationships. White girls don't really go for brown guys (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, dark Asians like from Indonesia, etc). I'd say it's especially so for FSU women. Even no matter what the media says, look around, it just doesn't happen. If anything this will be your single most biggest problem.

There is also your idea of living in India together. She probably wouldn't like that at all.

I think importantly, you mentioned “mail order bride” from a news article. I don't know what that article says but there is no such thing. You need to date the girl and pass her husband material tests, she will not automatically become yours. I feel stupid writing that but it seemed like you were hoping on something easy.

You could always go ahead and register on the dating websites but don't blame us if you don't get many bites...