Islamists threaten to attack Russia very soon and make their wives concubines

[sleepycat]

I've had a few Lebanese ladies in my classes that were mainstream Muslims...stunning  attractive (and fashionable) they are.


Fathertime!

Maybe the next time when you are just happening to be browsing the internet you can accidentally find your way to www.muslimdating.com?
 

[Anotherkiwi]

Of course I condemn them all.

There is no common thread however with the ones listed above.

The characters from the Middle East do have something in common--an ideology stemming from a religion that teaches it is okay to kill those who refuse to convert. Not only okay, but promises rewards in "paradise" for doing so.

The Koran was written well over a thousand years ago.  The Bible is a thousand years older than that.  The number of people who believe literally in the totality of either book, while substantial, is but a miniscule percentage of the total number of adherents to either Islam or Christianity.

To me, it is a telling point that the first (and the loudest) to condemn such acts of violence are Muslims themselves.

[Gator]

To me, it is a telling point that the first (and the loudest) to condemn such acts of violence are Muslims themselves.

I used to think this important, yet now I don't car.  On the outside many may condemn the acts, yet silently support the violence.   When 9/11 happened, I recall the TV footage from different Muslim countries showing cheering in the street. 

The moderate Muslims are not taking back their religion from the zealots.  For example, even though the jihadists "sleep" in Muslim communities while waiting to strike, do the local Muslims report suspicious behavior to Law Enforcement?

And even if only 1% of the Muslims subscribe to radical beliefs, we are still talking about 16 million possible Jihadists.  And how many does it take to conduct a terrorist attack?

[fathertime]

I used to think this important, yet now I don't car.  On the outside many may condemn the acts, yet silently support the violence.   

Kinda like Western people when they sometimes claim that the 'collateral damage' of bombs in Muslim countries is so sad, as they shovel more noodle salad down their gullet. 


Fathertime! 

[mendeleyev]

 

it is a telling point that the first (and the loudest) to condemn such acts of violence are Muslims themselves.

Rare.

[Boethius]

I disagree with you, mendy.  But there is no Islamic hierarchy, to speak with one voice.  You can read a fair bit of condemnation on social media -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/reaction-frustration-of-muslims-forced-to-condemn-atrocity-8630179.html

I know that in Canada, the two largest plots of extremists, one to blow up a bridge carrying rail passengers, the second, to bomb Canada's financial district, were both foiled because Muslims reported on those in their communities who they knew were being radicalized.

Most of the violence perpetrated by Islamic extremists is directed at other Muslims. 

[Anotherkiwi]

Rare.

No, it's not.  You just don't see reports from countries outside your normal orbit.

I disagree with you, mendy.  But there is no Islamic hierarchy, to speak with one voice.

This is, of course, the crux of the matter.  Catholicism has the Pope as an undisputed leader: one who has demonstrated that he is far more in touch with the world than any of his predecessors, and quite probably more so than many of today's King, Queens and Presidents.  The Church of England has the Archbishop of Canterbury as its main spokesman, even though he may be little-known outside the United Kingdom, but other churches and faiths simply do not have a global standout to whom everyone can turn in times of need.

With the Shi'a and Sunni factions in the Middle East seemingly intent on destroying each other as they try to become the supreme "tribe" of Islam, far too many are getting caught in the crossfire.  That, of course, is on top of the radical element who don't care what they attack or whom they kill.

[Gator]

The lack of hierarchy allows clerics to espouse whatever they interpret in the Quran.    I get the feeling they are more  diverse than nondenominational Christian preachers. 

There is the assemblage of intellectual  philosophers and scientists in Mecca? (I forget their name) who are suppose to provide the ultimate interpretation of Quran.  Nevertheless, the individual Muslim worshipper is not bound to obey  them or a cleric.  He prays only to Allah.   

[SANDRO43]

The lack of hierarchy allows clerics to espouse whatever they interpret in the Quran.

Also made difficult by the text having been written in VIIth-century Arabic, some 1,400 years ago.

There is the assemblage of intellectual  philosophers and scientists in Mecca?

I don't think so, and even if there is, every Imam is probably free, within wide limits, to offer his own interpretation or that of his 'school' of origin.

Many Imams operating in non-Muslim countries are funded by the ultraconservative ad-Da'wa al-Wahhābiya (Wahhabi Mission) of Saudi Arabia. A few have been expelled from UE countries in the past for their too-radical preachings or suspicions of harbouring real/potential terrorist among their brethren. After Paris, this is likely to increase .

[Slumba]

Anyone ever notice the Sufis have never blown anyone up (so far as I know)?  And they were the ones that Ataturk persecuted the most?

[Boethius]

How many bombings were there by Islamists before Afghanistan?


Someone woke up Wahhibism, and they did so for specific purposes.  They just didn't consider blowback.

[Brasscasing]

How many bombings were there by Islamists before Afghanistan?

Austria August 29, 1981 – 1981 Vienna synagogue attack. 2 dead 30 injured.
Italy October 2, 1982 – 1982 Great Synagogue of Rome attack. 1 dead 37 injured.
Lebanon November 11, 1982 – Tyre headquarters bombings. 91 dead. 55 injured.
LebanonUnited States April 18, 1983 – The April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing, in Beirut, Lebanon by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 63 dead, 120 injured.[1]
LebanonUnited StatesFrance October 23, 1983 – The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing by the Islamic Jihad Organization. 307 dead 75 injured.
Kuwait December 12, 1983 – 1983 Kuwait bombings. The 90-minute coordinated attack of six key foreign and Kuwaiti installations including two embassies, the airport, and the country's main petro-chemical plant, was more notable for the damage it might have caused than what was actually destroyed. What might have been "the worst terrorist episode of the twentieth century in the Middle East," succeeding in killing only 6 people because of the bombs' faulty rigging.[2]
LebanonUnited States September 20, 1984 – The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 24 dead.
Spain April 12, 1985 – 1985 El Descanso bombing. 18 dead 82 injured.
EgyptItalyUnited States October 7, 1985 – Achille Lauro hijacking. 1 dead.
ItalyAustria December 27, 1985 – Rome and Vienna airport attacks. 23 dead 139 injured.
Greece June 14, 1985 – TWA Flight 847 hijacking. 1 dead.
Greece April 2, 1986 – TWA Flight 840 bombing (1986). 4 dead. 7 injured.
Turkey September 6, 1986 – Neve Shalom Synagogue Attack. 22 dead.
United Kingdom December 21, 1988 - 1988 Lockerbie bombing 270 dead, also includes 11 on the ground
Israel July 7, 1989 – Tel Aviv Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack, near Kiryat Yearim. 16 dead
February 4, 1990 – A bus carrying Israeli tourists in Egypt was attacked by Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. 11 people, including 9 Israelis died and 17 others were injured.[4]
China February 2, 1992 - 1992 άrόmqi bombings 3 dead 23 injured
ArgentinaIsrael March 17, 1992 – The 1992 attack on Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires. 29 killed 242 injured.
United States January 25, 1993 - 1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. 2 killed, 3 injured.
United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed, 1,042 injured [5]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 – Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Israel April 6, 1994 – Afula Bus suicide bombing killing 8 wounding 55.
Israel April 13, 1994 – Hadera bus station suicide bombing. killing 5 wounding 30.
Argentina July 18, 1994 – Buenos Aires Jewish Center AMIA bombing. killing 85 wounding 300.
United KingdomIsrael July 26, 1994 – The 1994 London Israeli Embassy attack. 20 injured.
Israel October 19, 1994 – The Dizengoff Street bus bombing was a Hamas suicide attack on a passenger bus driving down Dizengoff Street in Tel Aviv. 22 killed 50 injured.
Israel November 11, 1994 – Netzarim Junction bicycle bombing killing 3 and wounding 12.
AlgeriaFrance December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers, 25 injured.[6]
Israel January 22, 1995 – The Beit Lid suicide bombing was a suicide attack by Palestinian Islamic Jihad. 20 dead 69 injured.
Algeria January 30, 1995 – A car bomb exploded outside of a police station. 42 dead and 286 injured.[7][8]
India July 20, 1995 – A bomb on a motor scooter exploded at a marketplace in Jammu. Harkat-ul-Ansar claimed responsibility for the bombing. at least 17 killed 100+ injured.[9]
Israel July 24, 1995 – The Ramat Gan bus bombing was a suicide attack by Hamas. 6 dead 33 injured.
France July 25-October 17, 1995 – The 1995 Paris Mιtro and RER bombings were a series of attacks by the Armed Islamic Group of Algeria in France. 8 killed 100+ wounded.
Croatia October 20, 1995 – In the 1995 Rijeka bombing a suicide bomber attempted to destroy a police station by driving a car with a bomb into the wall of the building. killing 1 (assailant) injured 29.
Israel February 25 & March 3, 1996 – The Jaffa Road bus bombings Two attacks on Jerusalem route 18 buses by Hamas. 45 killed 52 injured.
Israel March 4, 1996 – The Dizengoff Center suicide bombing was a terror attack by Hamas on the eve of the Jewish holiday of Purim. 13 killed 130 injured.
Egypt April 18, 1996 – Islamist gunmen fire on the Europa hotel in Cairo. 18 killed 17 wounded.[10]
Saudi ArabiaUnited States June 25, 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.[11]
China February 25, 1997 - Three bombs explode on three buses in the Xinjiang capital of άrόmqi. 9 dead 74 injured
Israel March 21, 1997 – The Cafι Apropo bombing was a Hamas suicide bomber who detonated at a Tel Aviv sidewalk cafι. killing 3 wounding 46.
Israel July 30, 1997 – The 1997 Mahane Yehuda Market bombings were two consecutive suicide bombings carried out by Hamas militants at the Mahane Yehuda Market in Jerusalem. killing 16 wounding 178.
Bosnia and Herzegovina September 18, 1997 – The 1997 Mostar car bombings. 29 people injured.
Egypt November 17, 1997 – Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins. 62 killed, 26 injured.[12]
India February 14, 1998 – A total of 58 people were killed and over 200 injured in 12 bomb attacks in 11 places, in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.
Tanzania Kenya United States August 7, 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead, 4000+ injured
April 23, 2000 – September 19, 2000 – 2000 Sipadan kidnappings by 6 Islamist militants. Several injured.
YemenUnited States October 12, 2000 – Attack on USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, 39 injured.
India December 22, 2000 – Attack on Red Fort in Delhi, 3 killed.
Indonesia December 24, 2000 – Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia bombings of churches in eight cities, 18 killed.[14]
Israel March 4, 2001 – The 2001 Netanya bombing was a suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel. 3 killed 60+ injured.
Bangladesh April 14, 2001 – 2001 Ramna Batamul bombings. 10 dead, many wounded.
Israel May 18, 2001 – The 2001 HaSharon Mall suicide bombing in Netanya, Israel. 5 killed 100+ injured.
Philippines May 27, 2001 – The Dos Palmas kidnappings with more than 40 deaths and numerous injured.
Israel June 1, 2001 – In the Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing 21 people were killed and 100+ were injured.
Israel 9 August 2001 – The Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing was a Hamas terrorist attack on a pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem. 15 killed 130 injured.
Israel September 9, 2001 – The Nahariya train station suicide bombing was executed by an Arab-Israeli who was sent by Hamas and detonated himself on the crowded platform. 3 dead 94 injured.
United States September 11, 2001 – 4 planes hijacked by 19 al-Qaeda members: two planes crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City, New York; one into The Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia; and one into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. 2,977 victims killed.[15]
India October 1, 2001 – Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

That's just the last 20 years. The list of determined but failed attempts is twice that.

Brass

[Boethius]

I meant before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. 


Sorry, that wasn't clear in my post.

[BillyB]

I meant before the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. 

List below starts in 1968 with the assassination of US presidential candidate Robert Kennedy. The lists seems to be missing the many minor acts of terrorism Israel endures on a regular basis.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1993321/posts

[Brasscasing]

List below starts in 1968 with the assassination of US presidential candidate Robert Kennedy. The lists seems to be missing the many minor acts of terrorism Israel endures on a regular basis.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1993321/posts

Beat me to it Billy. I was double checking the list before posting. It's good.

Brass

[Boethius]

Beat me to it Billy. I was double checking the list before posting. It's good.Brass

Still missing the point.   See my post above -

How many bombings were there by Islamists before Afghanistan?

Someone woke up Wahhibism, and they did so for specific purposes.  They just didn't consider blowback.

How many terrorist acts, before 1979, were the work of Islamic fundamentalists, blowing things up in the name of Allah?  Even the PLO were largely secular.

[BillyB]

How many terrorist acts, before 1979, were the work of Islamic fundamentalists, blowing things up in the name of Allah? 

You keep adding stuff to what you're asking. It's kind of difficult to find news articles back in the 60's before the internet was invented. The question should be "When do Muslim fanatics not blow up anything in the name of Allah?"

[Brasscasing]

Still missing the point.


How many terrorist acts, before 1979, were the work of Islamic fundamentalists, blowing things up in the name of Allah?  Even the PLO were largely secular.

No, I'm not.

No, the PLO were not mostly secular.  They're Muslim and follow the tenants of Islam and Sharia Law. But it doesn't matter if they're Fatah, Hamas or some fundamentalist variation, it's their acts of violence that make them a terrorist.

This ongoing debate over what political faction, moderate, fundamentalist, Sunni, Shiite, people get caught up in discussing is irrelevant when there's an individual standing in front of you wearing a bomb vest firing an AK-47 indiscriminately into a crowd killing men, women and children while screaming Allah Akbar. It's a safe bet that person is a radicalized Muslim.

Brass

[Boethius]

The PLO never claimed to be carrying out their terrorist acts in the name of God.  It's a stretch to state that.  Their terrorism was all about a Palestinian state.  Christians lived there relatively freely.  It was only when Hamas gained a foothold, largely due to the PLO's corruption and menadacity in dealing with locals, that Palestinians become more radicalized.


My point was, there were virtually no "radicalized Muslims" killing people before 1979.  Wahhibism was relatively contained before that.

[Brasscasing]

The PLO never claimed to be carrying out their terrorist acts in the name of God.  It's a stretch to state that.  Their terrorism was all about a Palestinian state.  Christians lived there relatively freely.  It was only when Hamas gained a foothold, largely due to the PLO's corruption and menadacity in dealing with locals, that Palestinians become more radicalized.


My point was, there were virtually no "radicalized Muslims" killing people before 1979.  Wahhibism was relatively contained before that.

Alright, Bo. The next time some PLO terrorist has a gun pointed at my head I'll be sure to ask if they're committing their act of terrorism in the name of Allah or for Real Estate. It'll certainly make me feel better knowing the guy about to finish me is simply your run of the mill Muslim terrorist vice a jihadist.

Depends on whether or not you're using Obama's definition of contained.

(joking    )

Brass

[Bee Farmer]

My point was, there were virtually no "radicalized Muslims" killing people before 1979.  Wahhibism was relatively contained before that.

Odds are there were, we just didn't hear about it, and the west didn't get involved. (Aside from the Crusades.)

Back in the 70's, all the attention on radicalized religious extremists were the Christians killing each other in Ireland.

[Slumba]

The PLO never claimed to be carrying out their terrorist acts in the name of God.  It's a stretch to state that.  Their terrorism was all about a Palestinian state.  Christians lived there relatively freely.  It was only when Hamas gained a foothold, largely due to the PLO's corruption and menadacity in dealing with locals, that Palestinians become more radicalized.


My point was, there were virtually no "radicalized Muslims" killing people before 1979.  Wahhibism was relatively contained before that.

There were the Moro (Muslims) in the Philippines, in the 1890s.  Part of the reason that the .45 was invented, as the .38 did not have enough stopping power.

You could read up on an English guy called Lawrence, he spent some time in Arabia ... 

[jone]

Alright, Bo. The next time some PLO terrorist has a gun pointed at my head I'll be sure to ask if they're committing their act of terrorism in the name of Allah or for Real Estate. It'll certainly make me feel better knowing the guy about to finish me is simply your run of the mill Muslim terrorist vice a jihadist.

Depends on whether or not you're using Obama's definition of contained.

(joking    )

Brass

With you, Brass, it would be a sword, not a gun.  But it is nothing to lose your head over.

[Boethius]

Alright, Bo. The next time some PLO terrorist has a gun pointed at my head I'll be sure to ask if they're committing their act of terrorism in the name of Allah or for Real Estate. It'll certainly make me feel better knowing the guy about to finish me is simply your run of the mill Muslim terrorist vice a jihadist.

Depends on whether or not you're using Obama's definition of contained.

(joking    )

Brass

I am not talking about today.  I am referring to the PLO's acts in the 1970's.  Please find me one source that refers to the religious undertones of their terrorism.

[Boethius]

There were the Moro (Muslims) in the Philippines, in the 1890s.  Part of the reason that the .45 was invented, as the .38 did not have enough stopping power.

You could read up on an English guy called Lawrence, he spent some time in Arabia ... 

Read what I actually wrote.  There were virtually no radicalized Muslims before 1979.


The Arabs T.E. Lawrence was fighting with were battling fellow Sunni Muslims.  They weren't fighting in the name of religion.