Iowa Caucus Results 2016

[ML]

http://www.google.com/search?q=iowa+caucus+results+2016&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=R/2/short/m.03s0w/

Cruz     27.7%
Trump  24.3
Rubio   23.1


Clinton   49.9
Sanders  49.6

[Slumba]

Microsoft really embarrassed themselves - the web site that they set up, based on their software and running on their Azure cloud, failed at about the point when 79% of the results were in, and didn't come back up.

More than 1.5 hours later (as I post this), the failed site is still not back up. http://iagopcaucuses.com/

[ML]

Leakers

[Darth_Budda]

My almost socialist buddy was berning up Iowa...

I held a bernie rally at my house in New York.  we had everyone but the Far right wing.

I find it interesting even Fox news is labeling Trump Far right....

My Projection...

Bernie Sanders will will the white house.... 

[ML]

My Projection...

Bernie Sanders will win the white house....

The is a good chance you will be right.
And it is almost certain that a communist will win eventually.

Currently 45 percent of Americans pay no Federal Income Tax.  But they get to vote on how much tax the rest of us will pay

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/07/in-2015-45-percent-of-americans-will-pay-no-federal-income-taxes/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/#2781b07f3cf4

[Muzh]

All hail Capitalism!!!



Remember ‘Liar Loans’? Wall Street Pushes a Twist on the Crisis-Era Mortgage


Money managers lobby lenders to make more ‘Alt-A’ loans or even buy mortgage-origination companies to control more of the supply themselves

Wall Street wants to bring back the “low-doc” loan.


These mortgages, which are given to borrowers that can’t fully document their income, helped fuel a tidal wave of defaults during the housing crisis and subsequently fell out of favor.


Now, big money managers including Neuberger Berman, Pacific Investment Management Co. and an affiliate of Blackstone Group LP are lobbying lenders to make more of these “Alt-A” loans—or even buying loan-origination companies to control more of the supply themselves—according to people familiar with the matter.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/crisis-era-mortgage-attempts-a-comeback-1454372551

[Darth_Budda]

Stop Corporate welfare.

Pay people a livable wage..

Than more people will pay taxes...
This argument only 45% pay taxes?

So what? some of those 45% own the companies that get millions in corporate welfare!

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/06/corporate-welfare-wastes-taxpayer-and-economic-resources


If you really like capitalism,,, Than all the worlds wealth can not be held by only a few people..
It is just common sense...

It does not matter if Millionaires lower the price on goods to $1..  If no one has that dollar.. Capitalism does not work...

It does not matter what you call it...

Change is coming.... The American Left is waking up and the American right is dying off...

[fathertime]

If you really like capitalism,,, Than all the worlds wealth can not be held by only a few people..
It is just common sense...

I see this as a growing problem.  A growing middle class would be better for the country. 

Pay people a livable wage..

In the past people could go work in a factory and make decent money after a while....since we have shipped those jobs overseas, those people are often working at Walmart or Burger king and getting paid squat.  There skeletal wages are providing us inexpensive items or food.  If they need Obamacare or governmental welfare to live, that seems fair enough to me.  It isn't as if these people are evil or something, they are providing a service. 

Change is coming.... The American Left is waking up and the American right is dying off...

I really don't think so.  I'd be completely shocked if Bernie wins the election.  Although I agree with him on a lot of things, I think the change would be too much.  If he goes up against a Republican like Cruz or Rubio, I think he would lose.  In addition he is so far to the left that he would get very little cooperation from the Republicans and our government needs more cooperation to run better. 


Fathertime! 
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[Darth_Budda]

I really don't think so.  I'd be completely shocked if Bernie wins the election.  Although I agree with him on a lot of things, I think the change would be too much.  If he goes up against a Republican like Cruz or Rubio, I think he would lose.  In addition he is so far to the left that he would get very little cooperation from the Republicans and our government needs more cooperation to run better. 


Fathertime! 
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I agree,, we need a FDR movement... Dems control both houses and whitehouse..

Or 4 years of Trump....

I hope we are seeing the death of the democratic and republican party..

Locally,, Many people are joining the green party...

I had a bernie party at my house and I even got a few moderate republicans...
But northern NY is know for moderate Dems and Republicans...

[BillyB]

Bernie Sanders will will the white house....

If the FBI recommends Hillary to be indicted and takes their evidence public, I think Bernie will get the Democrat nominee. But I'm not so sure America will elect him president. The man once hung the Soviet Union flag instead of an American flag in his office. Out of all the exotic places in the world to choose from, he chose to have his honeymoon in the USSR. There's more. Hillary hasn't attacked Bernie in this way but the Republican challenger will bring it up. Americans won't take his Anti American past kindly.

All hail Capitalism!!!



Remember ‘Liar Loans’? Wall Street Pushes a Twist on the Crisis-Era Mortgage


Money managers lobby lenders to make more ‘Alt-A’ loans or even buy mortgage-origination companies to control more of the supply themselves



http://www.wsj.com/articles/crisis-era-mortgage-attempts-a-comeback-1454372551

Where do you think mortgage companies get permission to pass out loans like that? The federal government. Bill Clinton wanted to get poor people out of apartments into homes and one way of doing that was telling mortgage companies not to verify people's incomes or if they even had a job. My mom has a friend in the real estate business that told me that is all true. Mortgage companies are in the business of making money but much of that money comes from the federal government and if that is the way the feds want to operate their program, they jump on board if it makes them money. No business in their right mind would loan hundreds of thousands of dollars to somebody for a home without verifying they have the means to pay it back. If this idiotic method to loan money to those who can't prove income makes a come back which benefits the poor, it isn't Wall Streets fault, it's Obama's.

[Darth_Budda]

If the FBI recommends Hillary to be indicted and takes their evidence public, I think Bernie will get the Democrat nominee. But I'm not so sure America will elect him president. The man once hung the Soviet Union flag instead of an American flag in his office. Out of all the exotic places in the world to choose from, he chose to have his honeymoon in the USSR. There's more. Hillary hasn't attacked Bernie in this way but the Republican challenger will bring it up. Americans won't take his Anti American past kindly.



Where do you think mortgage companies get permission to pass out loans like that? The federal government. Bill Clinton wanted to get poor people out of apartments into homes and one way of doing that was telling mortgage companies not to verify people's incomes or if they even had a job. My mom has a friend in the real estate business that told me that is all true. Mortgage companies are in the business of making money but much of that money comes from the federal government and if that is the way the feds want to operate their program, they jump on board if it makes them money. No business in their right mind would loan hundreds of thousands of dollars to somebody for a home without verifying they have the means to pay it back. If this idiotic method to loan money to those who can't prove income makes a come back which benefits the poor, it isn't Wall Streets fault, it's Obama's.

Hum?  Whats the name of this site?

[Turboguy]

Stop Corporate welfare.

The amount spent on corporate welfare is pennies compared to what we pay for welfare to people who don't want to work and want to live off the rest of the taxpayers.  Most corporate welfare is designed to keep us competitive so they can hire people.

Pay people a livable wage..

Improving the education system so people have the skills to earn a decent wage would be a big help in that direction.  Slowing illegal immigration would be another step.  If there were not illegals willing to work for peanuts completion would force those with low paying jobs to pay more to get the job done.


Than more people will pay taxes...
This argument only 45% pay taxes? 

So what? some of those 45% own the companies that get millions in corporate welfare!

I think if you research this more you will find corporate welfare is mostly in your imagination.


http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/06/corporate-welfare-wastes-taxpayer-and-economic-resources


If you really like capitalism,,, Than all the worlds wealth can not be held by only a few people..
It is just common sense...

It does not matter if Millionaires lower the price on goods to $1..  If no one has that dollar.. Capitalism does not work...

So what works better, Communism?  Socialism?   Bull.

It does not matter what you call it...

Change is coming.... The American Left is waking up and the American right is dying off...

Change has been here for a while.  That is what is destroying America.  Too many regulations, too much government, to much of a move to a welfare state.  

[BillyB]

Hum?  Whats the name of this site?

Just Google it and there are hundreds to choose from. I'll give you MSNBC and RT. MSNBC also talks about other things Bernie wrote in his book such as creating a softball team named People’s Republic of Burlington. Most Americans don't know these things but it's all in his book and I'm sure much of it will be brought out before the Presidential elections if he is the Democrat nominee.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-25-best-things-we-learned-bernie-sanders-book


http://www.rt.com/usa/320098-bernie-sanders-ussr-honeymoon/

[Darth_Budda]

The amount spent on corporate welfare is pennies compared to what we pay for welfare to people who don't want to work and want to live off the rest of the taxpayers.  Most corporate welfare is designed to keep us competitive so they can hire people.

How is that capitalist? How does it not give said company a unfair advantage over other other companies?


Improving the education system so people have the skills to earn a decent wage would be a big help in that direction.  Slowing illegal immigration would be another step.  If there were not illegals willing to work for peanuts completion would force those with low paying jobs to pay more to get the job done.

Education is important..

Immigration is not really a problem...
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

Unemployment is around 5%
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/31/464856256/why-some-still-cant-find-jobs-as-the-economy-nears-full-employment

Automation is a big factor in the american workplace...

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/06/corporate-welfare-wastes-taxpayer-and-economic-resources

Corporate welfare and crony capitalism waste taxpayer resources by spending resources taken for the public benefit on a more narrow, well-connected interest group instead. Taxation inherently creates economic distortions and unnecessary taxation that goes beyond what is necessary to pay for constitutional government and needlessly wastes taxpayer and economic resources

So what works better, Communism?  Socialism?   Bull.

Some industries should be regulated by the state,,, Energy sector, public education, universities, Telecommunication infrastructure....

Most large companies should be worker owned and controlled co-ops.. Internet companies, car companies, large factory type industries and big agriculture.

with small private industry. Hairdressers, small construction companies, small farms, private doctors..

Market forces should be used for consumer goods and most other aspects of the economy, like they are now...

No one should be allowed to be a billionaire..
No one should be allowed to starve.

Health care and education should be the primary focus of our economy and government taxes..
Not the military...

Change has been here for a while.  That is what is destroying America.  Too many regulations, too much government, to much of a move to a welfare state.   

The problem with american politics..

We spend to much money on bombs.. no enough on people.
We allowed oligarchs to gain to much power at the expense of the everyone else.

Technology is changing the world... It is a good thing.. but it is also replacing jobs quickly..


The problem is to complex just to blame it on a small group of people that don't even work, at anything,,
Why can't we just go back to a Eisenhower tax rate.. until we are out of debt....

He was a republican right?

[BillyB]

Pay people a livable wage..

Improving the education system so people have the skills to earn a decent wage would be a big help in that direction.  Slowing illegal immigration would be another step.  If there were not illegals willing to work for peanuts completion would force those with low paying jobs to pay more to get the job done.

McDonald's always paid low. Illegals didn't make that happen. There needs to be low paying jobs for the education system stay strong. My son is currently going to college. He works with me in construction during the summer but while in school, he works fast food at night. I DO NOT want fast food paying my son and other teens a livable wage. They need to understand they need to advance in life and paying livable wages on certain jobs will make many quit school and stop advancing in life. People advancing is healthy for the economy. If a man is 40 years old and flipping burgers for McDonalds and has little to show for all the years he's lived, he doesn't deserve a livable wage. When he does more work and become more valuable, he will then deserve a better wage. So now he gets little and people can get an affordable burger that cost a buck, a price that benefits cash strapped teens, the poor, and the homeless.


I own a small business. Turboguy owns a small business. For those who want to take from the haves and give to the have nots, consider this, aren't our roles of business owners giving to others? We create jobs and from the jobs we create, the business we own, and the wage we pay ourselves, the government gets to tax what we do in more ways than one. Sometimes I go home after work and still work. I need to find more work for the company to keep all the employees working. I'm not only taking care of my family, I'm taking care of many families. That is a big responsibility. An average person should be able to pull their own weight and support a family in this country. If a person is pulling more weight than others, they deserve more. I'm actually glad there is class disparity in this country. People have an opportunity to succeed. Nowhere else in this world there exists as many businesses, millionaires, and billionaires than in America. In other places in the world there are more restrictions and limits on what people can do and own which smothers their desire to advance in life.


I think there is value to having a welfare system. Most people will go through difficult times in their life and need some assistance to get back on their feet but the assistance shouldn't be permanent and shouldn't be increased.

[ML]

I think there is value to having a welfare system. Most people will go through difficult times in their life and need some assistance to get back on their feet but the assistance shouldn't be permanent and shouldn't be increased.

There are a growing number of 3rd, 4th and 5th generation welfare families in USA.

Teenage girls are encouraged by their families to get pregnant and start bringing in some money.

[Darth_Budda]

We should talk from facts..

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/nine-myths-the-right-loves-to-believe-about-welfare/

Do you know someone like that?

I live in a small poor town.. many people are on food stamps, and other government help...
I do not know anyone like that...

I just asked my mom.. who does this for a living...

She said that NYS will not give you more money just for having another kid... 
The housing grant is the same for 1 kid as it is for several... you can double stack kids in a single room.. bunkbeds...
you would get a small increase in food stamps...

But again these people are few and far between...

[Turboguy]

We should talk from facts..

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/nine-myths-the-right-loves-to-believe-about-welfare/

Well I read the article and won't disagree with it much.  Nor will I disagree with what you Mom says.


Here are a few things I might question though.


The article says that the number of children have little or no effect on the payment with a child adding perhaps $ 100.00 then it goes on to say "The average monthly allowance under TANF/AFDC is $900 for a family of four. For a single person the average is about $300."

• [/size]That seems a bit contradictory.  [/color]
  
  [/size]I think there is far more abuse under Social Security Disability.  This is just my observations where I have seen a lot of people a lot healthier than I am or many on here who are on it.   If someone claims they have a bad back it is hard to disprove.  My next door neighbor of ages ago went on disability for a bad back and a year later I saw him out moving boulders in his yard that had to weigh up to 150 pounds.  One of my ex-employees called our office one day asking if our workman's comp was paid up and in good shape.  The next day he came in to work earlier than everyone else and when the others arrived he claimed he had tried to move something and hurt his back.  That was 20 years ago and he is still on disability.   About 10 years later I went to one of our local hot spots and he was there.  He got into a fight with someone, chased him around faster than I could ever run and was in a major fist fight with him.  A disabled person could never do what he did.  [/color]
  
  [/size]Another thing to is that some people get laid off of high paying jobs and can easily find jobs but they pay less than the unemployment they are getting.   One of my current employees is a welder who I met at my Monday night bowling league 6 or 7 years ago.  He asked about working for me for about 6 months and then one week asked if I was interested in him and he added that his unemployment would run out in a month and it was time to find a job.  I did hire him and he has been a good worker.  Still as long as he could collect good money without working he felt that was the better option than finding a job.[/color]

[alex330]

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/nine-myths-the-right-loves-to-believe-about-welfare/

Do you know someone like that?

But again these people are few and far between...

I imagine it differs from regio to region but come to South Florida and visit me. I can show you entire neighborhoods like this. Toss tax and EBT card fraud on top of that. They game the system and claim things that do not exist. It will shock you.

[Muzh]

All these arguments support the assertion of the conservative view on healthcare: don't get sick and problem solved. 

[BillyB]

We should talk from facts..

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/nine-myths-the-right-loves-to-believe-about-welfare/

The site is bias against conservative thought but if you read carefully, they said "Also, some states, such as Delaware and Georgia, make it clear to those who sign up for TANF benefits that their benefits will not increase if they have additional children. " They key word is "some" so that means in "most" states, women increase their benefits by having more children as ML mentioned.


In my state of Washington, income and size of family are factored in what a person can get. More babies gets more money.


http://www.dshs.wa.gov/esa/community-services-offices/tanf-and-support-services


Keep in mind, although in some states welfare doesn't increase with the amount of children a woman has, in ALL states a woman will receive an increase in food stamps, Medicaid, and housing for a new child. Somebody else has to pay for every welfare kid a woman has and most likely, her kids raised on welfare will likely be on welfare themselves.


There's nothing wrong with making things tough on people to encourage them to pull their own load in life. Sometimes I wonder what these people have done to not have any friends or family to help them. They probably used others for support and never gave back. Fukced friends and family over so they've been abandoned. If they feel a little abandonment, they may get motivated to do something with their lives. Nothing wrong with being hungry. One reason immigrants come here and work so hard to succeed is because they've been hungry. If a person wants something from the government, they should give back. Many local and state governments can make those receiving handouts do community service. They can go to city hall and check in, take a bus anywhere in the city to go and do their community service and come back to city hall to check out. There doesn't need to be an army of government workers to watch over them.


Darth Budda, I don't know where you're at in your life but never give your future wife the impression you're the kind of guy that likes to receive handouts because that isn't right way to live life and she'll lose respect for you. Although it isn't right, I'm okay with some of my taxpayer money going to help people get on their feet. I'm not okay if people want to be a welfare recipient from cradle to grave. Make sure your future wife knows you're the kind of guy that not only can pull your own weight in life, but others too because that is necessary to support a family.

I imagine it differs from regio to region but come to South Florida and visit me. I can show you entire neighborhoods like this. Toss tax and EBT card fraud on top of that. They game the system and claim things that do not exist. It will shock you.

I've had at least two people standing outside grocery stores asking me to pay 50 cents to the dollar for their food stamps. They offered to shop with me and pay with their EBT card and I give them half the value in cash in return.


My mom rents homes and she did so to many on welfare and section 8. Sometimes I'd go in and fix things. Most of the time those people don't take care of the place. Dirty, holes in walls, and reeks of marijuana.

[alex330]

I've had at least two people standing outside grocery stores asking me to pay 50 cents to the dollar for their food stamps. They offered to shop with me and pay with their EBT card and I give them half the value in cash in return.


My mom rents homes and she did so to many on welfare and section 8. Sometimes I'd go in and fix things. Most of the time those people don't take care of the place. Dirty, holes in walls, and reeks of marijuana.

Same thing here. Don't get me started on this one.... 

[Darth_Budda]

Darth Budda, I don't know where you're at in your life but never give your future wife the impression you're the kind of guy that likes to receive handouts because that isn't right way to live life and she'll lose respect for you. Although it isn't right, I'm okay with some of my taxpayer money going to help people get on their feet. I'm not okay if people want to be a welfare recipient from cradle to grave. Make sure your future wife knows you're the kind of guy that not only can pull your own weight in life, but others too because that is necessary to support a family.

I think she enjoys the fact i care about other people and the community ..

We both share a dislike of oligarchs... In Ukraine or the USA...
We do not think the world needs oligarchs, or kings...

[BillyB]

I think she enjoys the fact i care about other people and the community ..

My wife and I care about people and community too. We think it's healthy people work and pull their load in life. We think it's unhealthy if people are allowed to leach off others. We think it's good for the community when everybody works. We think it's bad for the community if people don't work.


In the late 80's, a friend of mine became a reborn Christian and he told me he feels good about giving a man on the street $20, which is worth a lot for a teenager back then. I told him if just 5 people gave me $20 a day, I'd be on the street too. I told him he'd be better off donating his time to help the man clean up and find him a job but chances are homeless people will reject any offer of help to advance in life.


Why help people that don't by taking from people that do? Why ask taxpayers to give more to those that don't do anything in life but eat, shit, and sleep? How about asking those people to do more for what they are already receiving? Hard work never killed anybody.


The economy is good right now. Sure some people will be laid off and temporarily receive unemployment benefits but there are guys that have been out of a job for years. If a guy is an average worker, he should easily find a job. If a guy is a deadbeat and refuses to improve to make himself a desirable employee, why should we feed him for the rest of his life? Giving him more money isn't going to help him, it's enabling him to be the deadbeat he is.


Welfare is important to get people back on their feet but every year the benefits should be reduced to make life more difficult for those receiving it. When people find their family, friends, and the state is cutting off their support, they will need to find another way to live and that will be depending on themselves to join the workforce and pull their own weight in life.