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[BillyB]

I have announce my arrival from mid March. I hope I will be back with good news

Whether good news or bad, please come back and tell us how everything went. Enjoy your trip but have a backup plan in case things don't work out after the first meeting.

[Sreiko]

For sure I will share my experience as well this can be help to others to find their fortune. Yes, there is plan B- to visit some churches, museums, historic places and then back to my homeland. Alone...

[Shadow]

For sure I will share my experience as well this can be help to others to find their fortune. Yes, there is plan B- to visit some churches, museums, historic places and then back to my homeland. Alone...

However you might not stay alone 
I will send you a PM.

[Sreiko]

Thanks for your faith Shadow

[Nightwish]

As a backup plan - If things dont work out, get on mamba.ru - make a nice profile.

I can almost promise you that you will find a woman there willing to meet for tea or a lunch/dinner, just ask them for a date the day after or something.. maybe "many" will tell you no.. but then you just move on to the next one.. not that many there are looking for a foreign man, but some are willing to take the chance and as long you are being polite and just asking for a public meeting to see if there is an mutual interest.

Since they will see that you are in their hometown, they might agree to a quickly unplanned meeting without even having talked with you before. Done it - and it worked like a charm.

[Sreiko]

Thanks for that, sound reasonable

[gotonikolaev]

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Good words Shadow  Well, I am Slavic and we use Cyrillic, Ukrainian and Serbian are not the same but I can recognize it. So the label does not look as expected. And I do want to go and visit her. Already check out what could be places in Nova Odessa and Mykolaiv to visit. I just want to avoid broken hart again (this will be first time with foreigner).

Do you have any advice for cheap flight? Or any flight, if she want to come and visit my country (as she state) it will be good to avoid visa zones.

[Sreiko]

Thanks, this is good to know

[BillyB]

As a backup plan - If things dont work out, get on mamba.ru - make a nice profile.

I can almost promise you that you will find a woman there willing to meet for tea or a lunch/dinner, just ask them for a date the day after or something.. maybe "many" will tell you no.. but then you just move on to the next one.. not that many there are looking for a foreign man, but some are willing to take the chance and as long you are being polite and just asking for a public meeting to see if there is an mutual interest.

Since they will see that you are in their hometown, they might agree to a quickly unplanned meeting without even having talked with you before. Done it - and it worked like a charm.

Mamba.ru is an excellent site to use for a plan B. Just say you're visiting their city and a lot of ladies would take a chance on meeting a foreigner. If they ask why you're visiting their city, tell them you were looking for love and didn't find it. If you tell them you came to look at churches and museums, they will think you're a liar.

[Gator]

Welcome Sreiko!

You are justifiably cautious.   Yet, I see four good signs. 

1.  Even with your cautious nature you still have good feelings about this woman.   

2.  She wants you to meet her family and friends. 

3.  It  seems she writes directly in response to what you wrote, answering your questions politely.  Scamming women usually do not have time to write original letters.  Instead they send canned letters that could be written to any man.

4.  The woman works as a nurse.  Many of the scamming women do not do such honest work and will list their occupation as a "student" or "manager."

By visiting provincial Ukraine and bypassing Kiev and Odessa, you will be experiencing the essence of Ukraine.  This should be a lot of fun. 


If you still have doubts, I suggest you Google some of the text she wrote in her first emails.  If she is a scam, she probably has done this before and some man reported her on the Internet. 

 Are you communicating in English?  I am confused.  Have you spoken to this woman on the telephone?  This is very important before you meet.

[Darth_Budda]

Keep expectations low... and have a back up plan..

[Sreiko]

Dear Gator, thank you for all input about her and my contact. In her emails, she use known phrases and this is normal for people who don't know properly English. No, we did not hear by telephone but this does not mean anything, this conversation can be played too. I will need her phone because of my arrival, too call her and inform about my schedule... I am a bit of old school, when I travel 1500 km to her, I would like she to wait me on station, to give her flowers, some box of candies, kiss her and take a walk.

If I am wrong, and big chances is I am wrong, and she prove as real and stand with all she say- I admire to her. Because she is ready to leave everything and go with man of her hart. In that case I will have woman to dedicate my life to her. This is big thing, this is why I say in one of my post, I will be back alone.

Yes dear Darth Budda, there is back up plan, to visit many nice places in Ukraine and go back home.  Definitely not sex tourism, this is not part of my beliefs.

[BillyB]

there is back up plan, to visit many nice places in Ukraine and go back home.

Your primary goal, when in Ukraine, is to find love. You don't have to give up this goal if the lady you intend to visit doesn't show up or dumps you after the first date. You can continue to look for a good girl but if you close your eyes when in Ukraine, you will be missing opportunity every time a lady walks by you. Besides, visiting nice places is better with a woman on your arm. We've had men in this forum confess after the lady they visited dumps them, they were too depressed to do anything more on the trip and felt lonely. Some sat in their hotel room and cried. A backup plan is not always sex tourism and having a backup plan doesn't mean you're cheating on the lady you're visiting. You don't have a commitment to her, you're just friends. You need to take care of your life and you need to have the goal of finding a good woman Ukraine no matter who she is. As of now, falling in love and committing your life to one person you've never met and that you have some doubts about isn't healthy.

[Sreiko]

This is correct Billy only problem is that I am sentimental idiot I guess, so there is always options. No way I will be depressed, life is beautiful. Only many questions- why she did not use her life chance. Meting people is all right, people are only real value, things and money pass away, people are those who last forever.

[BillyB]

why she did not use her life chance.

If she doesn't use her life chance, you can still use your life chance while you're in Ukraine. You will have many chances in Ukraine. Maybe it's her destiny to bring you to Ukraine so you can meet someone else? If she meets you, give her all your attention but if she doesn't meet you or doesn't want your attention, find somebody who does want you. It's very easy to meet ladies in Ukraine but you must talk to them first.

[Sreiko]

True, you never know where our path is going on and no doubt we can choose and make our way

[Gator]

Sreiko,

It seems you have fallen in love with a photo and written words.  This violates RWD's Ten Commandments. 

PLEASE!  Please  tell me that you are communicating directly with her and not sending emails through an agency.   

You need to tone down your emotions before you meet this woman.  I say this because you have created elevated expectations that could inhibit you from judging this woman when you meet. 

I wish you the best, but keep in mind there are hundreds of stories where months of loving communications have been shattered within the first five minutes of meeting.   

[Sreiko]

I am just different person and sensitive and can control my self. There is people who fell in love in person from book, nothing strange. No, I don't email via agency, definitely not stupid to pay such service. Email is direct. Basic point is that both of us are looking for partner for marriage, we both know what we want so this is reason why I express my self very emotional here. In the world who become more cold, real emotions are rare.

It will be all right, no matter what will happen. She expect me to come and this will be very soon. This will be nice trip anyway

[Shadow]

Some tips while you are preparing for your trip.
1. She is not your tour guide. While you may look up places of interest to see, do not try to make a program but let her decide on it. Sightseeing can always be done, most importnt is ti spend time together.
2. If she proposes to meet friends first, say yes. Meeting her friends is a good sign, as they will look at how you fit tigether.
3. Be the man, is she makes a suggestion, make a decision, but let it be your decision in a way that makes her feel happy.
4. Watch for small signs. If her friends become unavailable and she suddenly has to run errands before meeting you, chances are there is no chemistry. Be honest about it, and you may end up with a useful friendship.
5 Listen to yur heart and emotions. Do not try to succeed if you feel something is wrong.
6. Try to enjoy no matter what.

[Sreiko]

Dear Shadow,

you say absolute all I actually do in my life. For now she arrange met with her parents and I guess we will met her friends too. Good for me, see people from other culture. Lead by sample, simple rule and be gentleman Small signs are actually only elements which give fact image of person. I always listen feelings and never failed. This trip will be pleasure, I will do my best.

Thank you, I am glad we think the same. Question- when met her parents, is there any rule? Like gifts, manners or so on?

[Shadow]

Dear Shadow,

you say absolute all I actually do in my life. For now she arrange met with her parents and I guess we will met her friends too. Good for me, see people from other culture. Lead by sample, simple rule and be gentleman Small signs are actually only elements which give fact image of person. I always listen feelings and never failed. This trip will be pleasure, I will do my best.

Thank you, I am glad we think the same. Question- when met her parents, is there any rule? Like gifts, manners or so on?

If you wish to charm her parents and friends, take in your luggage some small gifts that represent your country. Give them when you feel it is appropirate, if not keep them hidden.

[Sreiko]

Hahaha- I do wanted to do that, our custom is bring a bottle of domestic brandy and will add few more things there. Something specific.

[Gator]

Cognac will be greatly appreciated!!!!   

My future father-in-law shared a bottle of his favorite vodka with me, and we talked for hours not understanding more than a few words.  My future wife and mother-in-law came into our room every half hour with food, smiles,  and some limited translation.   

We did not finish the bottle, but came close.  Be careful if the father throws away the top when opening the bottle. 

[Gator]

These guidelines for dating FSU women were written years ago by a committee of RWD members, but still mostly applicable today.  I believe you are one of those men who already knows and respects these guidelines, but maybe something will help you.   

You will find interesting the Appendix reporting the results of a poll of FSU women about what they liked and disliked in the Western men they met. 


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=24

[Sreiko]

We have something called Vinjak, similar to Cognac but domestic brandy is without match... you know, when I visit my foreigner friends, this is most valuable gift I bring I am read right now guideline... see ya later