Does it matter if a EE woman has a college degree??

[vwrw]

I already spoke to why you want to pursue EE women compared to AW.

Two features:  1) Slender and 2) you can trade-up to achieve a  woman that you could not achieve in USA (younger, prettier, more educated, etc.)

Again, women with these same characteristics are here in USA, but they are not achievable by you (and the rest of us); but you can attract them in EE because of the economics.

There is one more feature.....the same as WM looking abroad could not achieve a women of certain quality in the USA, EE woman looking abroad could not achieve a man of certain quality in FSU. That generates mutual appreciation.  To illustrate, the probability of me finding AND marring a man as my husband in  Russia would be almost zero. The same for my husband, the probability of him marring a woman like me in the US is almost zero. When you get a partner you thought is unattainable, you feel lucky, appreciate him or her more, and treat him or her in a different way than you would treat a person of an easily attainable quality. 


The next question is whether these advantages would last or not...Will she stay slender? Will she appreciate what she has achieved as she will start to understand that in the US  she is perceived differently by men than back home?   In my case, after so many years of marriage, I still feel that I am an incredibly lucky lady that I married my husband.   However, there many women who started to feel unhappy with their marriages once they realized that they were perceived differently in the US and  may do much better in their new home.


So there are three features:1) Slender, 2) you can trade-up to achieve a  woman that you could not achieve in USA (younger, prettier, more educated, etc.) and 3) she will perceive you as a more valuable catch and, as a result, work harder to keep you happy than WW would.

[vwrw]

For some guys I would advise no college degree, as having the woman smarter as the man might not end well.

So true!!!

[vwrw]

For a happy relationship and her happy living here, it does not matter if a EE woman has a college degree.


What matter are as follows:


1. Her most important values and yours must be the same. If you value formal education, so must she, regardless of whether she has it or not. Google 10 common reasons for divorce and make sure that you both have the same values on each of the reasons. 


2. Her goals and yours must be compatible. What does she want to do next 10-15 years? Do you want to participate in achievement of those goals? What are your goals? Is she excited, enthusiastic, and supportive of those goals?


3. Shortcomings and peculiarities. Every person has them. Your shortcomings and peculiarities must not irritate her  and vise versa.

[Muzh]

For a happy relationship and her happy living here, it does not matter if a EE woman has a college degree.


What matter are as follows:


1. Her most important values and yours must be the same. If you value formal education, so must she, regardless of whether she has it or not. Google 10 common reasons for divorce and make sure that you both have the same values on each of the reasons. 


2. Her goals and yours must be compatible. What does she want to do next 10-15 years? Do you want to participate in achievement of those goals? What are your goals? Is she excited, enthusiastic, and supportive of those goals?


3. Shortcomings and peculiarities. Every person has them. Your shortcomings and peculiarities must not irritate her  and vise versa.

+1


Right on the money.


One more thing about college education. I'm a college educated guy and I concentrated on women who also were college educated. On top of that, I wanted someone who was on a related field; health/medical/science. My wife was an MD in Ukraine and after 16 years together, we still have this common bond. Has it helped? A bit. I know that I would not be happy with someone who would not be able to relate to what I did (I'm retired) for a living. As a matter of fact, she was very inspirational in many issues I had professionally.


Now, I'm not saying other people have to do what I did. I'm pretty sure there are some guys who would prefer a woman who would not get involved in their professional affairs and stick to the "traditional" role of homemaker. To each his own.


Also, I noticed the OP is retired military man. Careful with your selection. Some Russian women are very vocal on their support of Putin's activities which are poo-pooed by the US military and that can cause a big rift.


Good luck man.

[vwrw]

Is it relevant in regards to the type of person she is? I think so. Most I have spoken to have completed college and those that have not usually have an issue of some sort. It is not like here in the US where the women can go directly into a high paying sales job or become an entrepreneur like here in the West. That is changing though, and every individual of course has their own set of circumstances.

When I lived in Russia and was looking for a job, a college education was required almost everywhere. Even if you wanted to be a sale person in a store, you had to have a college education. If you did not have a college degree, you could apply to be a waitress, janitor, and similar jobs for women. Therefore, if a woman did not have a college degree, it implied that  she was from a very, very poor family and they could not pay for her education or she was with issues and could not understand how limited her options in life would be without education or did not care about it. So I would say it is important to determine the reason why an EE woman does not have a college degree.

[Miquel Westano]

Whatever you look for can be found. The important thing is that a woman fits wih your personality and is willing to accept your worst habits.
For some guys I would advise no college degree, as having the woman smarter as the man might not end well.

If a guy has a problem with a smart wife, he is clearly insecure.  It tells me he has problems to work out before he should marry anyway. 

I couldn't imagine being with a woman I felt was not smart.  I wouldn't care who was smarter, but the thought of not being able to count on my wife for intelligent help would worry me.  In this day and age having two people to deal with problems makes life much easier.

That said, there is a lot of difference between education and intelligence.  I could easily deal with a lack of education.  But not a lack of common sense and/or intelligence.

[redfeather]

VWRW and others,
I appreciate the feedback because you are helping to mentor me along on this journey.  VWRW where and how did you and your husband meet??  I appreciate your take as a woman, and I never thought about the fact that the woman will appreciate the man because she feels she found a good catch, and the man will appreciate the woman because he might have found a younger model than he could have in the USA.  The post made about me being retired military is well taken, and nowadays I have a much different view on all these wars that We in the USA seem to want to start...I believe most of them should be avoided.  I am still working two sides of this and trying to find a EE woman already inside the USA, but I am finding that many of these also have 2,3,4 divorces under their belt and I am steering clear of them just like I do USA women.  I have been skyping with two women from Ukraine, so I just take it one day at a time.  I do appreciate the mentoring because this is all new territory for me.

[Muzh]

That's why we are here. 

[ML]

I am a 'thin' man but still cannot find the right girl for me !!

In general, FSU women do NOT like thin men.

I am average build except in stomach which is hereditary in my family.

I mentioned to many FSU women that I would like to shrink my stomach size.  Every single one said something like . . . Oh, don't do it; you are fine; I don't like skinny men; only one of us needs to be slender, etc., etc.

[treadmilldude]

ML, I just would like to say I really enjoy reading your posts very much. There is so much wisdom and good advice in your posts, and often a ton of great humor....several of your posts, I have laughed so hard I actually fell out of my chair from laughing so hard. I have not done that since I was in the movie theater, seeing the "Naked Gun" I, I, and III with Leslie Nielsen. Even a relatively young guy like me can appreciate the utter brilliance of Leslie Nielsen and the Naked Gun movies. Leslie was one of a kind, at least for me anyways.

[vwrw]

VWRW where and how did you and your husband meet??  I appreciate your take as a woman, and I never thought about the fact that the woman will appreciate the man because she feels she found a good catch, and the man will appreciate the woman because he might have found a younger model than he could have in the USA. 

I met my husband on ElenaModels.


For some reason, your summary of my idea does not sound right to me. I failed to be clear. I doubt a man will appreciate the woman only because he might have found a younger model than he could have in the USA.

[ML]

So there are three features:1) Slender, 2) you can trade-up to achieve a  woman that you could not achieve in USA (younger, prettier, more educated, etc.) and 3) she will perceive you as a more valuable catch and, as a result, work harder to keep you happy than WW would.

VWRW, thanks for adding one more variable to my listing.
I hadn't really thought much about your number 3; but it makes some sense.

Actually, most of the time I don't really understand much about why my spouse chose me and why she stays with me.

But recently she had one insightful comment.
She stated how it was really great that I always encouraged her to try to achieve things that she never thought possible and would not have tried on her own.
She thinks I push her (I don't really think I do), and she likes the results.

Apparently no one in her life before had thought she could achieve much and maybe had even discouraged her from trying.

This encouragement and pushing of her might be my claim to 'valuable' in her view.

I don't plan to burst her bubble by admitting that I am only pushing so she will bring home some beer money for me.

[ML]

ML, I just would like to say I really enjoy reading your posts very much. There is so much wisdom and good advice in your posts, and often a ton of great humor....several of your posts, I have laughed so hard I actually fell out of my chair from laughing so hard. I have not done that since I was in the movie theater, seeing the "Naked Gun" I, I, and III with Leslie Nielsen. Even a relatively young guy like me can appreciate the utter brilliance of Leslie Nielsen and the Naked Gun movies. Leslie was one of a kind, at least for me anyways.

10,000 comics out of work . . . and here I am still trying.

[redfeather]

VWRW,
I have a profile on Elanamodel's.  Were you already inside the USA when you met your husband?  I am just wondering.  Thanks.

[vwrw]

VWRW,
I have a profile on Elanamodel's.  Were you already inside the USA when you met your husband?  I am just wondering.  Thanks.

When I met my now husband, I lived in Russia. He contacted me via ElenaModals. He seemed interesting, stimulating, and likable; however, I was concerned that he was chasing women much younger than himself and had a long history of traveling to FSU. So I thought he must have a few ugly sides in him that he hides masterfully.    I went on a mission to find those sides. After searching the Internet, bingo, I found him here with thousands of posts in his profile. I read them all and concluded that he is the nicest person I know. We met a few months later when he was on his next tour through Russia . He impressed me with his confident demeanor. We were laughing for hours when I told him how much I knew about him from this site. Then there were more meetings and one day we decided to get married. We got me a fiancee visa. I come here. We married in couple months. I feel grateful that RWD exists. If not this site, I would not meet the most significant person in my life.

[vwrw]

ML and Billy,
So if EE women cheat as much as AW, and if they divorce as frivolous as AW...then what is the draw to want to be in a relationship with them?  I get the slender part because I do not like over weight women and America is full of them.   The things that I have read have told me that EE women were more traditional and family oriented.  So, there has to be some draw to want to be in a relationship with them?

In my understanding, traditional and family oriented women are those that choose to be stay home moms. They devote their lives to cleaning, cooking, and gardening. They do as the husband says and feel they are inferior to men. Is it what you are looking for? Or do you have a different understanding of what the traditional and family-oriented women are?   

If my understanding is right, then it is better for you to look for a wife in the Philippines. EE women are not submissive, nor they feel inferior to men. I doubt many of them will be happy to be stay home wives. Except for one, all my Russian speaking  friends here work. Being engaged only with cleaning, cooking and watching TV does not seems as an appealing life style to them.

[redfeather]

VWRW,
No, I am not looking for a submissive house cleaning woman.  I thought about the Filipino women, but I am not that attracted to them.  One of the women that I am skyping with is 34 years old with a 10 year old daughter.  From what I have read it is more difficult for women with a child to find someone to marry them?  I actually do not mind a woman with one child, but I would not want more than that.  If a woman had a 10 year old child she may/may not want to work.  I am in a position where I do not need my wife to work...I am financially comfortable.

[treadmilldude]

In general, FSU women do NOT like thin men.

I am average build except in stomach which is hereditary in my family.

I mentioned to many FSU women that I would like to shrink my stomach size.  Every single one said something like . . . Oh, don't do it; you are fine; I don't like skinny men; only one of us needs to be slender, etc., etc.

I totally believe you ML when you say this has been your experience with FSU women.

That being said, my experience with FSU women has been 180 degrees polar opposite from your experience with FSU women. In my VK profile, as well as my profile on Mamba, I have about 14 pictures of myself taken in my gym, shirtless. I am a longtime bodybuilder/weightlifter. Bodybuilding has been a passion of mine since about 1996. I eat 6 small meals per day (60 grams of protein each meal). I lift weights and then immediately do 60 minutes of cardio on the treadmill 5 to 6 days per week (usually 6 days per week). As such, I have a pretty good physique (I have a 6 pack, very large and muscular physique ie a bodybuilder physique). I have had a profile on VK since about October, I believe. I have received so many messages from FSU women on VK, praising my physique, telling me they wish EVERY FSU man looked identical to me....wishing their boyfriends/husbands looked identical to me.....that I must say that even though there are, no doubt, many FSU women with tastes identical to the ones you mentioned, ML.....I can absolutely verify there are also many FSU women who absolutely LOVE the bodybuilder / Schwarzenegger look as well, in Men. I honestly have never had a single woman on VK, who has contacted me first, or whom I have contacted first, tell me I look "Crappy", that she wishes I did not have a 6 pack, that she wishes I did not have very large arms, back, calves, thighs, pecs, deltoids, etc...

I am only relating my own personal experience with FSU women through VK, ML. I am not saying you are wrong or I am right. I am simply relating what has been my own personal experience with FSU women. I guess what I am saying is, if you are an American man like me, you've been burned over and over again by American Women and have almost given up on American Women, and as a result you wish to find a wonderful, kind, caring, loving young FSU woman to correspond with, meet in person, and hopefully, if all goes wonderfully when you meet her...eventually get married to her and have children.....I think it is, honestly, a very good idea to eat healthy and exercise religiously so that you do have a pretty good physique.

[alex330]

if all goes wonderfully when you meet her...eventually get married to her and have children.....I think it is, honestly, a very good idea to eat healthy and exercise religiously so that you do have a pretty good physique.

No need to worry about this with most FSUW. You will soon find all types of strange dietary supplements and natural foods in your fridge and cupboards when one decides to move in. Flax seed, fish oils, fermented dairy products, probiotics, etc.

She will learn to read the bar codes for all produce and only let you buy organic.

She will make you go for long walks after dinner. Could be worse I guess.

[ML]

Treadmilldude, you completely twisted around my words; are comparing apples with oranges or some such.

I said that FSU women do not like thin or skinny men.
I implied that FSU women do not dislike men with a little extra weight.

Now, you completely ignore that and tell me how FSU women like men with athletic build.

Well DUH, what women don't?

Let me restate.

FSU women (and all women) like men with athletic build.
FSU women do not like thin or skinny men.
FSU women do not dislike men with a little extra weight.

[treadmilldude]

No need to worry about this with most FSUW. You will soon find all types of strange dietary supplements and natural foods in your fridge and cupboards when one decides to move in. Flax seed, fish oils, fermented dairy products, probiotics, etc.

She will learn to read the bar codes for all produce and only let you buy organic.

She will make you go for long walks after dinner. Could be worse I guess.

Alex, your post is very humorous, I laughed. Luckily, I already take Fish Oil caplets twice per day to get my Omega 3's. The other supplements, however, that you mentioned, no I do not currently take those. Sounds like when I marry a FSU, she will drag me to the health food store and buy us both almost everything in the store. 

I don't do organic, and am not sure I am ever willing to start doing the organic thing. I buy my boneless, skinless chicken breasts on sale for $1.79/lb....I know the organic chicken breasts are something on the order of $7/pound! Ouch!

She and I will both be so exhausted from our daily 2 1/2 hour gym workouts, that I do not think she will have any energy left after dinner to go for a walk. I just hope after our 2 1/2 hour gym workouts, we have at least a tiny bit of energy left for our love life. 

[alex330]

Sounds like when I marry a FSU, she will drag me to the health food store and buy us both almost everything in the store. 

Pretty much 

With the supplements, vitamins, and makeup you will lose whatever space you have in your kitchen and bathroom cabinets.

I don't do organic, and am not sure I am ever willing to start doing the organic thing.

I find it is primarily with the fruits and vegetables. At least with my wife and the Russian women we know.

We buy the cheap 10 pound bags of chicken ourselves.

FSUW will intently read all the labels on other foods we well. They will cut out all the items with ingredients like palm oil, corn syrup, etc. from your shopping. Sounds like you eat pretty clean already though...

[BillyB]

No need to worry about this with most FSUW. You will soon find all types of strange dietary supplements and natural foods in your fridge and cupboards when one decides to move in. Flax seed, fish oils, fermented dairy products, probiotics, etc.

My wife went through this phase. I went through it when I was younger too. It gets real old real fast trying to take 20different  pills everyday to feel healthy. Just eat nutritious foods and take a multi vitamin if one feels they aren't getting all their vitamins. It's simple and doesn't have to be so complicated.

She will learn to read the bar codes for all produce and only let you buy organic.

My wife took a nutrition class in college and unfortunately she got one of those "save the world" teachers who made it a mission to put fear into her students so they would only buy organic.


I've had other women tell me organic is better. I usually tell those people and my wife that our grandparents ate organic and they didn't live as long. I also tell them that their organic meat has hormones too, a fact the organic community doesn't tell you. All animals we eat have hormones and those that are injected hormones have a slight increase which is still harmless to us. Also non organic animals do less damage to the environment. If it takes a million dairy cows and a million beef cows to take care of 300 million Europeans since they don't do non organic, it would take 300,000 cows less to take care of 300 million Americans because or cows may produce 15% more milk and beef. That's 300,000 less cows at any given time that eat off and crap on the land.

With the supplements, vitamins, and makeup you will lose whatever space you have in your kitchen and bathroom cabinets.

Don't forget the closets getting full due to the clothes and shoes.

[alex330]

My wife went through this phase. I went through it when I was younger too. It gets real old real fast trying to take 20different  pills everyday to feel healthy. Just eat nutritious foods and take a multi vitamin if one feels they aren't getting all their vitamins. It's simple and doesn't have to be so complicated.

Well, I agree no need to over-complicate things but one must take into account personal lifestyle and health concerns.

Don't forget the closets getting full due to the clothes and shoes.

How could I have forgotten this one?   

[Shadow]

Any vitamin supplements are chemicals that you need to avoid at all cost.
Eat only natural porudcts without any artificial ingredients.
Then finish it off with some pizza and candy.