Dream Connections/Qwest tours or Russian Cupid/Ukraine Date or Mamba...

[redfeather]

I want to open up this topic.  I am interested in feedback from the methods to try to find a wife in Russia and Ukraine.  I have watched some of the youtube videos on Dream Connections and their Qwest love tours to Ukraine.  I am using RC and UD sites, and I am also using Mamba.  I am thinking it is best to use two of these methods, but I am looking for feedback from others experience as well as other people that you know about whether their experience was good or bad.  Or, is it best to try the do it yourself adventure trip to Ukraine?  I appreciate your feedback.

[BillyB]

Mamba is free and there's enough ladies on there to find a good match to visit one or many. In case things don't work out with the lady(s) you're visiting, it's easy to set up dates. Just tell the ladies you're in town and you will have plenty of dates. You can also meet ladies on the street or in cafes. I've never used agencies but some guys like them.


My strategy is to find one lady I really click with during the communication stage. I will not go to the FSU unless there is at least one lady I click with. I will be prepared to give her all my time but if things aren't clicking well during face to face time, I can quickly move on to other ladies. If things click with a lady during face to face time, I will only consider marriage with her if I feel she can be loyal and devoted.


Redfeather, this is the third thread you started in the trip report section. Your threads probably belong in the starting out section since the questions you ask are valuable to newbies just starting out. Trip reports are more for guys who are currently in or been to the FSU and reporting back their experiences.

[alex330]

Probably best to use a variety of methods, line up women you like and then plan the trip yourself.

Don't do a tour. I am sure it can work but most women look down on tours and the guys that use them.

[dragonkid]

i use russiancupid and ukrainedate , my russiancupid expired, i will reactivate once the girls i like update. Two good sites, i stick to sites, not tours. Tours don't really appeal to me, because the women i am attracted to are like 5% in the 20-25 age group. Tours have a few legit women, and plenty of escorts. More for older guys looking for younger puss, and don't give a shit about what that puss looks like.

I would recommend russiancupid and ukrainedate, vk and mamba are not great spots. If you got money to burn, try elena models.

[GuppyCaptain]

I've watched the Qwest YouTube videos too and I've gotta say that they look well put together. However, I just don't think they'd be my cup of tea at all. Has anybody here ever done one of those or know someone who has?

I'm off to Kharkov as we type 

[redfeather]

Okay Team,
These are all great posts.  I already have a Ukraine Date and Russian Cupid accounts set up, and I am talking with a few ladies.  I have an Elana's Model account open but it is still the free account.  I might just pay the fee and make it active.  I also use VK and Mamba, but I am not getting a lot of results.  Also, can anyone recommend certain cities in Ukraine.  I had a Army friend that went to Sumy and Poltava about 7 years ago, and he said those were both great areas.  My Army friend recommended to stay away from the larger cities and concentrate on the smaller towns.  I alsi here Nikoleav is another possible good spot.  The Qwest tours are done in Nikoleav, but not sure if that even matters.  I feel more at home with DIY do it yourself, and I am not shy at all...I pursue what I am after.  Thanks for the feedback it is much appreciated.

[BillyB]

  I also use VK and Mamba, but I am not getting a lot of results. 

Most of the ladies on those sites prefer local boys. You have to write a lot of ladies to generate a decent amount of interest. One reason I don't like to use big agencies, including those that are recommended, are because they use feeder agencies to which they have little control over. There is pressure for those feeder agencies to perform from the larger agency and they prefer you to come to their city as it will generate profit when they provide in city services to you. How do they get you to come to their city? They may pressure ladies to write you to give you the impression they are interested in you when that may not be the case. At free sites, the ladies sign up themselves and they have no pressure to generate interest from men. They reply only to men that interests them. Some men quit using sites that have few women interested in them but that is reality when other sites deliver fantasy.

My Army friend recommended to stay away from the larger cities and concentrate on the smaller towns. 

If you find a quality woman that is genuinely interested in you, common goals, thrilled to hear your voice, and that you click well with over the phone/Skype, that is where you should go. She may be in a big city such as Kiev or in country such as Uzbekistan.

[treadmilldude]

GuppyCaptain, good luck in Kharkiv!! I am excited for you, as well as excited to hear of your trip report when you return from Kharkiv. I think you might have posted on your upcoming trip to Kharkiv...I cannot remember if you said you were gonna use Mordinson, or Mila, or just sort of go it on your own with girls you met basically by yourself on Mamba, VK etc......but I will read your last 30 posts or so and just see what you have been up to in the last few weeks. 

From my time on Mamba, I am finding the girls on Mamba that are from Belarus are much more genuine / far less likely to be a complete fraud and scammer than girls in Ukraine (I just honestly think that many Ukrainian girls have been brainwashed into accepting the fact that scamming Western Men is an everyday part of life in Ukrainian culture, and that there is nothing inherently wrong with lying to and scamming Western Men.) I do not think this same attitude is pervasive at all in Belarus, as Belarus has a lot more money than Ukraine ....GDP (Nominal) per capita in Ukraine is approximately $2,200. GDP per capita (PPP) in Ukraine is about $7,900. On the other hand, Belarus is quite a bit more well-off than Ukraine.....GDP (Nominal) per capita in Belarus is $7,100 and GDP per capita (PPP) in Belarus is $17,800. I think it is a well-known fact Belarussians are not facing a financial crisis at present time, whereas Ukraine...WOW!! I follow Ukraine every day on the news, and economically things just seem to be getting worse and worse. I know others may disagree with me, but IMHO Ukraine is in fact a failed state at this point. Average salary in Poltava, according to (2) girls I am pretty close with on Skype and whatsapp - about $120 per month. I just do not see how it is possible to survive on $120 per month. Both girls have been very blunt with me and said that right now, they are just trying to survive in Poltava, life is brutally hard. Life is somewhat hard in Belarus, but everyrthing I have both seen and read tells me Belarussians are much better off financially than Ukrainians.

Therefore, using Common Sense 101...there is certainly a lot of incentive for Ukrainian girls to scam and lie to Western Men. also, marriage agencies are legal in Ukraine. Belarus, on the other hand, marriage agencies are illegal in Belarus - there are none. Plus, the Belarussian girls are not living day to day just trying to survive , as the women in Ukraine are. So there just is not nearly as much incentive for Belarussian girls to scam and lie to Western Men as there is for Ukrainian women.

Another difference I have noticed between Belarussian Women and Ukrainian Women....Belarussian women on average are significantly thinner and skinnier than Ukrainian women. Spend 2-3 hours going through profiles on Mamba of girls 28 to 33 in Belarus....then spend 2-3 hours going through profiles on Mamba of girls 28 to 33 in Ukraine. 1) Belarussian women are absolutely skinnier / thinner than Ukrainian women, on average. Period. Case closed. End of discussion. Not open to debate.  2) IMO, Belarussian women are a tiny bit prettier than Ukrainian women 3) Belarussian women, I have found on Mamba, for the most part (I estimate 85%) are genuine, sincere, honest about themselves and not out to scam or lie to Western Men.

[treadmilldude]

Here is a little trick that I am sure everyone knows, but I will tell about it anyway. On Mamba, if you find a woman whose profile / description of herself you really like, and whom you find attractive, or if a woman on Mamba contacts you first who really likes your pictures and profile....Click on "Albums". Find the little pictures underneath each album (ie picture album). Do this for every picture until you finally find one that takes you to the woman's VK page.       1) Right click on the picture. 2) Left click on search for this image on Google 3) Once you do this, either Google will not find any matching pictures of the exact image, or Google will find matching pictures of the exact image. If Google does find matching pictures of the exact image, and if a match is a link to her VK page, then by all means click on the link to the girl's VK page  4) abracadabra you have just found the girl on Mamba's, whom you are very interested in, VK page. Her VK page will tell you an awful lot about whether the information she has listed on her Mamba profile, and what she has told you if you have contacted her on Mamba, and are now contacting her on Skype or whatsapp or through personal email, is honest and accurate or if she is a scammer and a fraud.

Through the use of this exact method, I have found a huge percentage of women on Mamba in Ukraine, are complete frauds. They are only on mamba to steal money from Western Men. I have also found the overwhelming majority of women on Mamba in Belarus (I estimate about 85%) to be completely truthful and honest about themselves, and are not trying in any way, shape, or form to scam Western Men.

Just my two cents. Before this one girl from Belarus contacted me first on mamba, then the next day sent me a friend request on VK, about 12 to 13 days ago, I had never even considered looking at Belarus as a potential source for a woman for me to fall in love with. Never. Belarus had never even popped into my head one time. Suddenly, 13 days later, I am discovering Belarussian women are, in general, more honest and honorable than Ukrainian women. 

[GuppyCaptain]

To answer your question Tread, Mordinson and second trip using them. What's next if this trip fails to eventually yield Mrs. GuppyCaptain? It will probably be WSVS trips on my own and Belarus will certainly be under consideration. Also, I'm thinking Mila from Kharkiv will be in the picture, too.

Interesting observations, btw. Spasibo. However, don't you think that after 12-13 days it's a little too premature to be judging Belorussian women especially having never even met one?

[GatoMoon]

not tours. .

Many girls do tours because of free drinks, free party, accomodation so on.   One of my good friends from Minsk visited Kiev for a Tour she invited even though she already had a boyfriend from England.  I asked her why do this... she said - free drink, free transport, free accomodation and just want a good time!   See what I mean

[GatoMoon]

TreadmileDude

The only turn off about Belarus for me is visa and letter invitation

[GuppyCaptain]

True, but if the future Mrs. GuppyCaptain is from Belarus, I'll gladly jump through those hoops.

[redfeather]

I joined that site www.freeukrainewomen.com and the women on there look more down to earth and not all dolled up.  It is all worth a try, and I will keep you posted.

[alex330]

Many girls do tours because of free drinks, free party, accomodation so on.   

Pretty much. Or they are escorts, desperate to escape, or the agency they work for forces them to go to represent.

[alex330]

My Army friend recommended to stay away from the larger cities and concentrate on the smaller towns.

I was also told this when I first started looking. Not sure I agree with it now though.

Many of the women in smaller "villages" tend to migrate to larger cities for better opportunity so you will find all types of women living within. It is also a numbers game, so I would use the larger cities to my advantage in that regard.

Now, if you live in a corn farm in the Midwest and are looking for a wife you probably do not want to look in Kiev. She will not be happy.

[redfeather]

Alex 330,
Point taken, and I live in Austin, Texas which is a big city.  So, I will concentrate my efforts accordingly.  Thanks.

[Shadow]

 My Army friend recommended to stay away from the larger cities and concentrate on the smaller towns. 

Depends on wht you are looking for. I tried to avoid women who seemed eager to trade up and escape their life.
Chances are that you are just part of a larger trade up plan.
MrsShadow has a good life in Moscow and would not have moved away except for one reason: love.
She could have landed that 85-years ol Spanish millionaire if she wanted an escape...

[2tallbill]

I've talked to Mark Davis and I would consider his "tours" 
different that the AFA tours and consider him and his wife Anna
to be pretty legit.

If you've traveled to Europe before and are a self starter type
then there is everything you need to learn available at this forum
to do this yourself.

If you've never traveled, just got your passport and think that you need
and want some guidance and help then one of the Dream Connection tours
might be right up your alley. There are more than a few pitfalls and perils
for those who don't know what to look for. Having a guide and translator
to help steer you through them could be beneficial for the inexperienced
and novices to international travel and dating. 

As a side note, I have talked to Mark Davis and was with him on one of
his pod casts maybe 5 years ago where I talked about some of the
many myths about FSUW. I don't think the podcast is still up and running.

[GatoMoon]

I joined that site www.freeukrainewomen.com and the women on there look more down to earth and not all dolled up.  It is all worth a try, and I will keep you posted.

The link doesn't work !!

[2tallbill]

For a guy who wants to educate himself and get a jump start on learning
more about pursuing FSUW I would start

with this thread
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

then read the free E Book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

then I would recommend tearing into the trip reports. Read as many as
you can. You can see what guys did right, what they did wrong and
get a feel for what to do and how to avoid mistakes.
you can read my trip report here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

[redfeather]

Bill,
Thanks for putting that link back up.  I saved it and have been digging into it for a few weeks and it has a wealth of knowledge hidden inside.  Thanks in advance for all you do to help mentor all of us that are just starting out.

[Bee Farmer]

The manager for Dream Connections in Odessa is Marina Kuguk.  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=profile;u=44075

In 2013 I visited a girl in Odessa.  It was a WOVO trip.  I did not use the Dream Connections tour.

However, I did hire Marina to help me.  She picked me up from the airport, arranged an apartment for me near the city center, etc.  She gave me advice for which restaurants it was safe to take a girl to, and which restaurants had double menus. (Double menus are a second menu with higher prices.  They give these high priced menus to foreign men, and then the girl and the restaurant split the overcharges.)

Marina was honest.  I would however recommend guys be in decent shape, as her walking speed is about jogging speed.

Marina was also working with 2 other guys who were meeting girls from Dream Connections.  One guy was an Indian doctor from Chicago, and the other guy worked in the Canadian oil sands.  They were in their 40's.

All of us would often meet for meals or sightseeing.  Both the other guys had made a couple trips to Ukraine previously looking for women.  They both liked girls Marina was introducing them to, but neither had found what they were looking for.  I know some of the girls they had met were in their 20's.  (I got the idea the Canadian guy was like a kid in a candy store with all the pretty girls, and so he couldn't choose just one.)  The Indian guy had been to Odessa several times, and was considering looking at girls in a different city.  (I wonder how much of an impact his race had on not being able to find a girl.)

Neither of the guys had any noticeable personality disorders or social ills that I could see.  They 'seemed' normal enough.  Neither was fat or bald or lived with their mothers.

I can't promise that you won't get scammed, but I believe Marina will do her best to introduce you to sincere girls.  I think she would recognize if a girl was a pro-dater just trying to use you.

[redfeather]

Thread,
Many thanks for the tip on how to drill down on a woman's background using Mamba...I will use it.  Also, thanks for the tip on Belarus because I will start searching there to see what I can find.  I also try to get the woman's VK ID name because I want to search her on VK to try to see if she is for real, or a scammer.  I have had a few act like they did not know what VK is...and I normally walk away if they cannot show me they are for real.  Thanks for all the great tips to help us navigate this unknown waters.

[Trenchcoat]

I want to open up this topic.  I am interested in feedback from the methods to try to find a wife in Russia and Ukraine.  I have watched some of the youtube videos on Dream Connections and their Qwest love tours to Ukraine.  I am using RC and UD sites, and I am also using Mamba.  I am thinking it is best to use two of these methods, but I am looking for feedback from others experience as well as other people that you know about whether their experience was good or bad.  Or, is it best to try the do it yourself adventure trip to Ukraine?  I appreciate your feedback.

If you mean learn the language & just go to the Ukraine/Russia and see if you can pull along the way I was considering such but then after discussions on here thought give messaging women a go through dating site. I'm going out to meet a woman shortly signs look good she'll show up as she seems very straight up but if not then I would fall back to original idea.

I looked at Elena's Models and Lucky Lovers but decided to go with Elena's Models in the end as although more expensive had a more professional feel to it where Lucky Lovers was cheaper but looked a bit thrown together. My thoughts are here being you get what you pay for, so although I can be a bit of a tight wad the investment seemed to justify the cost. So went for a special offer through email of platinum member ship for 6 months, as it was gold would probably have sufficed as most girls give their phone numbers & email address once you've messaged them twice or so anyway. I know people on here have said they have met people of VK, Mamba, but for me I wanted a more specifically dating site with people that are committed to serious dating scene upfront. So after about 2 months or so I seem to had found a good match and going out to explore further, it looks hopeful but I'm not taking anything for granted.

The way I see it whatever approach you take, your going to have to end up with one at the end of the day anyway and who knows if she may not show/workout, etc. Likely hood is you can't recycle earlier ladies and apparently not a good idea. I see why, people move on and who wants to be the 'I'm with you because the other girl didn't show sort of girl'.

That said, the tours look fun, dream connections ones look at little pricey for me, a bit more classy looking, though wonder if escorts have been hired to entertain sort of thing. AFA tours look decent enough, I'm young enough to be seen as a prospect by the girls there and not just an old codger to fool around with for the evening, but anything can happen. For now though, the girl I'm going to meet looks spot on, perfect from my skype sessions with her so I'm hoping it works out when meeting her in person, it looking promising