What made you decide to pursue an EE woman??

[redfeather]

I just wanted to start this topic, and see what were the reasons behind what made you decide to start looking for an EE woman?
I know for myself I have lost interest in AW due to their feminist bad attitudes, and constant and frivolous divorces, the AW put their careers ahead of their man and children and family.  The bottom line a lot of AW don't take care of their man and family.  The other thing that has turned me off towards AW is that they believe they have this much higher SMV sexual market value than men, and when I look at their attitudes towards men and the fact that many are over weight and just not pleasant to be around...I am thinking that the SMV is far lower than they perceive.
So, let us know what it is that has caused you to be interested in EE women.

[GuppyCaptain]

You pretty much nailed it Red, especially the part about the SMV. When I got to the point where I was quite frankly tired of dealing with AW's $hit, and knowing what kind of women there were in EE, the decision to head to the FSU was totally obvious.

I will say though that divorce is just as rampant in the FSU as it is in 'Merica.

[Trenchcoat]

Not having a woman and wanting one was my motivation. Here in the UK I really don't think girls seriously want a relationship particularly a serious one - they have been programmed at school to look to career, pregnancy is seen as a no, no and is not talked about unless its how not to get pregnant - contraceptives etc. Anyhue, this along with the equal pay for women aspect means that most woman are career, get your own place by yourself focused - the man element has been eliminated, they are someone to compete with rather than work with.

Most importantly, those women that are attractive know there are along line of men after them, they mess guys around giving them the come on they shy away or ignore them when they come onto them. They play men as they like being ignorant that we have feelings and decide as they please. Inn the end though most of the time even the guy that gets with them comes second to career. To the man though the odds of scoring even a half decent looking women are slim.

Which basically leaves the fatties. Like the US, many UK girls can't wait to get their bums fat enough quick enough - its revolting. Every time I see a great big flabby arse on a girl it makes me want to spew. Makes me look back in fondness to the nineties when you could go out a sights like these were a rarity, not the norm, These days if you go out to the cinema, restaurants your almost certain to be treated to these sights. I wasn't looking for a model but for me fatties are not at all feminine and its a woman I want to get into be with not a thing. Huh, all said now for me I think, lol. 

[BillyB]

There's good and bad women that can be found in any country but I think Slavic women are the most beautiful in the world. I can afford it so why not go after what is most appealing to my eyes?

[alex330]

I started looking for Scandinavian women (weakness for blondes) online and fell for the MOB agency websites. Swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. Turns out she is pretty close to what they want you to fall for.

A client married a Russian woman many years back and prodded me towards it. We are close friends today.

[Shadow]

I never looked for a specific country or type. Could have fallen for the girl next door as well as one from the other side of the planet. As it turned out the one foolish enough to want to marry me lived in Moscow.

[BC]

Just met one when traveling.  Had absolutely no idea about FSUW beforehand and joined up here looking for immigration info.  14 years later still plugging along.

[Faux Pas]

I just wanted to start this topic, and see what were the reasons behind what made you decide to start looking for an EE woman?
I know for myself I have lost interest in AW due to their feminist bad attitudes, and constant and frivolous divorces, the AW put their careers ahead of their man and children and family.  The bottom line a lot of AW don't take care of their man and family.  The other thing that has turned me off towards AW is that they believe they have this much higher SMV sexual market value than men, and when I look at their attitudes towards men and the fact that many are over weight and just not pleasant to be around...I am thinking that the SMV is far lower than they perceive.
So, let us know what it is that has caused you to be interested in EE women.

red you seem like a nice enough guy but your diatribe of AW being fat, drug addled feminazis that don't take care of man or family is bullshit and has been posted here ad nauseum . There are many more that are beautiful quality women in America than those that aren't. The truth about why you don't have one of those might be closer and more about something else you don't care to admit.

Your reason for going overseas doesn't have to be concerned or connected to AW at all, does it? That attitude is misogynistic. There are now and have been in the past a lot of "broken" guys that go to the FSU in search of women that harbor that very same sentiment. Some of those grace the halls of RWD. Are you one of those or do you want to be one of those?

That said there are also some top self quality guys that go abroad and most of those guys don't blame their failures to find what they are looking for on a nation of fat females, you know?

[jone]

I think that there are a myriad of variables that go into a decision to look at FSU women.  I have never thought that AW make bad wives.  But I recently had the opportunity to spend some time in my home town in Wisconsin.   I was amazed at the number of fat women there. I'm sorry, but I am not attracted to fat women.  So, if you discount the number of fatties that are out there, and highlight only those that are more trim, then your dating pool becomes very small. 

Contrast that with the number of slim, attractive women in Eastern Europe and couple that with the propsensity to emphasize a cozy home and tasty food and men who are normal but have made the choice to search overseas, in Eastern Europe, tend to wind up with disporportionately hot women that they marry.

Red, by the way, don't let FP scare you off in his running dialogue that AW aren't fat.  He married a disporporationately hot woman, himself.   Don't let him dissuade you from your quest or think that you are (as they said in Young Frankenstein) Abby Normal.

[redfeather]

Jone,
Thanks for your input, and FP will not deter me at all.  I thought I had toned down my post because I really do have a neutral opinion on this topic, but in order to start this topic there had to be some things entered that may/may not bother a few folks.  I spent three years in the Army in Germany, so I have traveled and mingled with many western European folks and I have a good knowledge of their lifestyle.  Thanks for the replys.

[GatoMoon]

In answer to your question, I don't pursue only on an EE woman.  I also am looking for a Latin woman.

I prefer Latin woman to EE woman.  Latin women have warmer heart than EE women but EE women have better brains and legs !

Living in UK means EE is much nearer and easier to travel too.  If I have found an EE woman, that's great!  I get on with Latin women FAR better than FSU women, and I know intermediate level in Spanish whereas I know 2 or 3 Russian words lol

FSU women are much worse than Latinas when comes to scammers / gold diggers / materialistic

[Faux Pas]

Jone,
Thanks for your input, and FP will not deter me at all.  I thought I had toned down my post because I really do have a neutral opinion on this topic, but in order to start this topic there had to be some things entered that may/may not bother a few folks.  I spent three years in the Army in Germany, so I have traveled and mingled with many western European folks and I have a good knowledge of their lifestyle.  Thanks for the replys.

I'm not looking to deter you, quite the opposite I want to encourage you. I just won't encourage that blind homerism bullshit that men going to the FSU is a problem or that it's driven by American women. Don't apologize or make excuses  for what you want. Because you haven't or couldn't find it at home doesn't mean AW are fat lazy uncaring feminist. That just means the women you could attract are 

[GuppyCaptain]

red you seem like a nice enough guy but your diatribe of AW being fat, drug addled feminazis that don't take care of man or family is bullshit and has been posted here ad nauseum . There are many more that are beautiful quality women in America than those that aren't.

Faux, we can't be talking about the same America, can we? The majority of AW have shitty attitudes and think they're worth more to a man than they actually are, in other words an inflated ego.

Of course, your geographical location in the country plays a part in all of this but I'll go out on the limb and say that his generalization is not too far off point based on my observations.

[Turboguy]

In answer to your question, I don't pursue only on an EE woman.  I also am looking for a Latin woman.

Good choice Gato.   After all Latin women are hotter and offer much more for a man.


Unfortunately is is the temper that is hotter and their butt that offers much more for a man.   

[jone]

Faux, we can't be talking about the same America, can we? The majority of AW have shitty attitudes and think they're worth more to a man than they actually are, in other words an inflated ego.

Of course, your geographical location in the country plays a part in all of this but I'll go out on the limb and say that his generalization is not too far off point based on my observations.

The simple fact is that because there are fewer attractive (meaning not fat) women in America there is a higher demand on them.  Personally, I'd rather fish in a pond that is well stocked than in a pond that is over fished.  Even if I have to drive a little bit to get there.  You could throw tons of bait in the first pond and not get a nibble.  But if you drop an empty hook in the latter pond you can come up with a keeper.  (Well, slight hyperbole.)

[redfeather]

Jone,
You are cracking me up with your fishing analogy but you are spot on.
Guppy,
You are spot on also, so we both have been observing this same trend.  I have witnessed the trend where AW feel that their SMV is so much higher than the man, and I am sure there are a lot of guys chasing after them especially if they are within the proper weight.
Always good to read the feedback on what motivated other guys to pursue EE women or Columbian women...it helps with keeping things in perspective.

[GuppyCaptain]

The inflated sense of SMV is a huge turn-off for me and if I get one tiny whiff of it from a woman I'll generally snub them so as not to contribute to elevating it even further.

After all, there's a graceful way to handle a reasonable advance by someone whom you don't find attractive.

[BC]

I think that there are a myriad of variables that go into a decision to look at FSU women.  I have never thought that AW make bad wives.  But I recently had the opportunity to spend some time in my home town in Wisconsin.   I was amazed at the number of fat women there. I'm sorry, but I am not attracted to fat women.  So, if you discount the number of fatties that are out there, and highlight only those that are more trim, then your dating pool becomes very small. 

Contrast that with the number of slim, attractive women in Eastern Europe and couple that with the propsensity to emphasize a cozy home and tasty food and men who are normal but have made the choice to search overseas, in Eastern Europe, tend to wind up with disporportionately hot women that they marry.

Red, by the way, don't let FP scare you off in his running dialogue that AW aren't fat.  He married a disporporationately hot woman, himself.   Don't let him dissuade you from your quest or think that you are (as they said in Young Frankenstein) Abby Normal.

Drive by any local high school and you will find many slim and beautiful +18girls leaving the grounds...  On the one hand you can try, on the other hand you can use your economic advantage overseas.  Is really as easy as that.

[fathertime]

The inflated sense of SMV is a huge turn-off for me and if I get one tiny whiff of it from a woman I'll generally snub them so as not to contribute to elevating it even further.

After all, there's a graceful way to handle a reasonable advance by someone whom you don't find attractive.

SMV..I had never heard that acronym...  Apparently young women here in the states do indeed have a very high "SMV"...  I've been long done with young women with high "SMV".  That is a young guys field to play in, and few somewhat older guys would have the desire and/or the ability to bother with the necessary hoops.   


Going abroad, many men can still obtain gorgeous women without many of the unnecessary hoops.  Of course there are a lot of fine lines to be walked still..but if finding a very attractive lady is the goal, why the heck not go abroad and do the best you can for yourself! Feelings of animosity are not required or helpful.  Most young ladies are silly little things, just doing their cute little girly things..that's the way I see it. 


Fathertime!   

[Gator]

The statement "all AW are fat" is as ridiculous as "all RM are alcoholics."  Yet most of us will agree the AW weighs more on average and  alcohol abuse (not substance abuse) is more prevalent in Russia. 

After 25 years of marriage, I divorced and returned to single life.  In my case, finding women and dating again was not like riding a bike.  I enjoyed exclusive relationships with two slender AW, both of whom I met serendipitously.   Both relationships failed probably because of my fault. 

My ex-wife (also slender) suggested I try the Internet.  She said she found many compatible men there as well as a number of weirdos.

I tried the Internet.  It was interesting and it certainly expanded my dating pool.  One day on the Internet I saw an ad with the banner "Meet Russian Women."  I had been to Russia years earlier and found the country intriguing.  So I opened the site.  My Y chromosome prevented me from  closing it.  Six months later I went to Russia and Ukraine for a 30-day trip and became forever smitten.   

[Turboguy]

I guess I might as well share my story as well.  I think I always found foreign women appealing but never gave searching in other countries much thought.  I dated a gal visiting her family who was from South America for a while and really liked her.  That ended and I decided to look to South America.  I joined a couple of mail order services and wrote some women from South America but never made a trip.   Then I started to write some women from Asia through Cherry Blossoms.  I actually did write one gal from Russia through them and they did have a few FSU woman.  This was just after the breakup of the USSR.  I can recall one comment in one of the Cherry Blossoms magazines that was sort of funny.  Let me add first that most of the women you saw then wore very drab clothes and no makeup. I recall one photo where the woman had what looked like army boots on.  The magazine had a disclaimer suggesting that their customers should not overlook women from Russia.  It went on to say that women in Russia were really quite pretty but didn't wear make up and were taught not to smile for photos so men should not be discouraged if they don't look pretty in the photos.  When I see some of the ads for Russian women now it makes me laugh at the statement that was probably very true at the time.


One day I went to a picnic and a friend who knew I had been writing some women from SA and Asia brought a magazine called Club Prima out of Texas that was all very beautiful RW.  I was hooked and I started writing to women from the Club Prima magazine and added one more called Latin Euro introductions that had both women form SA and from Russia and Ukraine.  Once I started to communicate with RW I was hooked.  I made my first trip to Russia and Ukraine around 1993 or 4.  Planning trips in those days was really tough but about every year or two I would make a trip.  Trying to organize a trip in those days was tough.  The gals didn't have email or cell phones and many didn't even have a landline phone.  Snail mail was slow.  It took about 5-6 weeks from the time you wrote a woman until you got a response.  From 2001 to 2004 I tried the tour route which was a great way to meet scammers and serial daters. 

[Faux Pas]

Faux, we can't be talking about the same America, can we? The majority of AW have shitty attitudes and think they're worth more to a man than they actually are, in other words an inflated ego.

Of course, your geographical location in the country plays a part in all of this but I'll go out on the limb and say that his generalization is not too far off point based on my observations.

Unless you know of another United States of America that I don't know of, I suppose we could be. How likely is that? Geographically I don't know where or how it could be different. I had this same discussion with a commercial member once that was emphatic that all AW in his city were fat alcoholics and drug addicts. He lived in Florida.

The fact is Guppy that claim is bullshit. Shitty attitudes and think they are worth more than they are? What are they worth? What do you think they are worth?  What are you worth? More or less than them? Maybe you just attract shitty women?

There are plenty of women in the FSU with inflated self worth and shitty attitudes, too. Often it accompanies age as does the extra pounds on the hips. One could correctly say that same thing about the men in this search. Yes Guppy the generality is bullshit and more often used in this fora by those with a need to cover their own flaws.

[Gator]

There are plenty of women in the FSU with inflated self worth and shitty attitudes, too.

There are some, yet the filters can catch them by the second or third email, and certainly in a Skype talk.   So no problem.

And just like  AW with the same attitude, they are unmarried, not because there are no worthy men but because men don't want them.  However, I imagine many may say it is the man's fault they choose to remain single.   

Often it accompanies age as does the extra pounds on the hips.

I saw many a pear-body in the FSU.   Based on my experience, the RW work harder to stay slender, even after menopause hits.  We men benefit from this, yet to some degree it is sad to be so concerned with superficial aspects without compromising a bit. 

[jone]

FP,

I know of many slightly overweight women in the US that have great attitudes.   They would make great soccer moms and housewives.  But I think that the women who have the beautiful figures and features that we find, quite often, in the FSU, when located in the USA tend to be in very high demand, therefore are able to be on less than their best behavior. 

I think this is what the Captain and the Feather are referring to. 

[Gator]

But I think that the women who have the beautiful figures and features that we find, quite often, in the FSU, when located in the USA tend to be in very high demand, therefore are able to be on less than their best behavior. 

There have been several RWD threads over the years about RW feeling entitled.