Jump4Love a scam site?

[IamMaiC]

was playing around and joined this site,  how do these sites work?  do the girls get paid for writing letters?  I made a profile and started writing a few girls..I have never done this before...are all the girls just making money writing letters and chat?  and getting gifts?  is anyone actually looking for a man?   I actually had one girl ask me to send her a gift and that was a huge red flag.   I am just experimenting.   also,  if a girl is at various websites....does that mean she is a scammer? 

I also became friends with a ukraine girl at facebook.  but she is married.  she has a you tube channel,  she talks about different topics and also teaches the language.   she also said she worked at a "marriage agency"  and she tells everyone that she left because she felt bad.  she was writing letters to men at the same time,  she was in a relationship....told us she was honest,  but here is the catch.  she will help any man find a gf.  but the price is 50 dollars.  and she speaks of what seems to be a decent "marriage agency"  in ukraine..it just seems fishy,  that she would work for a "website."  and then do it to make some money...

I am just trying to make sense of it all...thanks for all responses..

[JayH]

Look at forum miles for info on notorious sites Anastasia date, Hot Russian Brides/Russian Love Match ,Jump4Love and many more like that.
It takes a little understanding and many will tell you all the negatives-- and there are plenty.

I have written extensively of the practices of these sites and the agencies-and of girls etc.Most of it negative!!

Another poster (LaMan)alluded  to this in another thread a few days ago and I am following up on that.
Most of the negatives of those sites are true-- however-- there are girls who MAY be interested in meeting the right type of guy. Even some that most here would label as a "scammer" because of her involvement on sites may still be interested in the RIGHT guy !
To be noted-- the tricky part is getting past the veneer-- and to get to be in contact with a real person.

Chat and letters-- could well be a guy responding!Many are employed for translation skills !
Video Chat-- some years back they started using recorded tapes - so you may well be talking to a guy still!!Or her mother !!
Also note--profile photos may not be legit-they can be stolen-- sold for use  plus variants.
Profiles can be true--or wholly fabricated!!

Given all that--there are members here who are now married to girls who were on sites mentioned above. I have personally met many!!
Working your way thru the minefield is like looking for a needle in  haystack-- but first you have to find the haystack !!

Are girls paid -- many are but not all.Some sign the rights of profile use over to agency(yes-for money or services eg-- the cost of photos etc)
This can go on--and on-- but I am sure you are getting the picture.

[BillyB]

I am just experimenting. 

Experimenting can cost money and waste time. After reading a few profiles on page one of Jump4love, I can tell you the girls don't write their own profiles. A person at the agency is doing it for them. The photos are photoshopped and make the girls look more attractive than they actually are. Do lots of reading here and figure out how real women write their profiles. Use free agencies if you want to learn and experiment.

[IamMaiC]

Ok,  this morning.  I went to jump4love.   and I found a message from someone who I though had a boyfriend,  she is a Ukraine DJ.  she goes by the name of Natasha Phoenix.   well,  I had my concerns about these sites...I joined one years ago.  "RussianBrides.com"  which  I never really did anything at.  write letters or chat...

before I lose anyone with my rambling,  I listen to Natasha's Music.  quite often.  and she is on a site called soundcloud.com.   she puts her music there...  well,   she is "following"  me at that site.   I have liked her due to her "persona"  Natasha Phoenix.  but on her instagram,  she has older pictures with her and a man. not sure if they are still together. 

ok,  to my point.....she wrote me at jump4love,   I had my reservations about these pay websites.  but she wrote me that she is "following" me at soundcloud,com.....I mean   if jump4love is not legit,  then how would anyone,  if indeed someone else writes the letters for the ladies.  how would they know that unless she is actually Natasha Phoenix.....some of the women must be real...   I just found it odd when I saw the message this morning.   thanks for all advice...I'll include her picture,  highly photoshopped,  but I seen pics(selfies) and videos of her.   I think she's pretty.  I know some people may not agree...

[GatoMoon]

Ok,  this morning.  I went to jump4love.   and I found a message from someone who I though had a boyfriend,  she is a Ukraine DJ.  she goes by the name of Natasha Phoenix.   well,  I had my concerns about these sites...I joined one years ago.  "RussianBrides.com"  which  I never really did anything at.  write letters or chat...

before I lose anyone with my rambling,  I listen to Natasha's Music.  quite often.  and she is on a site called soundcloud.com.   she puts her music there...  well,   she is "following"  me at that site.   I have liked her due to her "persona"  Natasha Phoenix.  but on her instagram,  she has older pictures with her and a man. not sure if they are still together. 

ok,  to my point.....she wrote me at jump4love,   I had my reservations about these pay websites.  but she wrote me that she is "following" me at soundcloud,com.....I mean   if jump4love is not legit,  then how would anyone,  if indeed someone else writes the letters for the ladies.  how would they know that unless she is actually Natasha Phoenix.....some of the women must be real...   I just found it odd when I saw the message this morning.   thanks for all advice...I'll include her picture,  highly photoshopped,  but I seen pics(selfies) and videos of her.   I think she's pretty.  I know some people may not agree...

Seeing her photo, I wouldn't go for her.   Very Formal interior designed background, very rich fashion clothing, so on.   I would prefer 'real' women - be herself rather than having studio photos taken.  With studio photos, it is hard to say who she really is. 

[alex330]

.I mean   if jump4love is not legit,  then how would anyone,  if indeed someone else writes the letters for the ladies.  how would they know that unless she is actually Natasha Phoenix.....some of the women must be real...   

Many of the women are real and you are talking to them but they are just working. Getting paid by the minute to chat. Many women's girlfriends also manage their accounts. My wife managed about 20 accounts for her girlfriends.

[IamMaiC]

Seeing her photo, I wouldn't go for her.   Very Formal interior designed background, very rich fashion clothing, so on.   I would prefer 'real' women - be herself rather than having studio photos taken.  With studio photos, it is hard to say who she really is.

ok,  non formal picture.....what do you think now?

[alex330]

ok,  non formal picture.....what do you think now?

I think she likes sushi   

[IamMaiC]

Many of the women are real and you are talking to them but they are just working. Getting paid by the minute to chat. Many women's girlfriends also manage their accounts. My wife managed about 20 accounts for her girlfriends.

ok,  should I message her at vk or soundcloud and see what happens?   

[treadmilldude]

I think you should just send her $300 Cash In the Mail. That way, she is going to scam you for the same amount of money as she would scam you if you chat with her on Anastasiadate / Russianbrides Jump4Love etc....  Just make it easier on her to scam you, and just send her $300 Cash In The Mail.

[alex330]

ok,  should I message her at vk or soundcloud and see what happens?

Sure, go for it. Let us know what she says.

[GatoMoon]

ok,  should I message her at vk or soundcloud and see what happens?

If she isn't interested in messaging you in vk /facebook / real e-mail / skype  - only in pay-per-chat - then you will know that she is in for the money!

[Shadow]

ok,  non formal picture.....what do you think now?

Still a staged picture which she is posing for, not a natural one.
How would I tell? Check where she is sitting there is nothing for her to eat or drink, the picture is taken from a place where there is sushi and some drink. Now if this was a normal dinner/lunch there would be something on her side as well.

Edit: The quality is pretty low so the original might show it better, but yo ucan see the photographer in the reflection of the tea pot.

[Muzh]

was playing around and joined this site,  how do these sites work?  do the girls get paid for writing letters?  I made a profile and started writing a few girls..I have never done this before...are all the girls just making money writing letters and chat?  and getting gifts?  is anyone actually looking for a man?   I actually had one girl ask me to send her a gift and that was a huge red flag.   I am just experimenting.   also,  if a girl is at various websites....does that mean she is a scammer? 

I also became friends with a ukraine girl at facebook.  but she is married.  she has a you tube channel,  she talks about different topics and also teaches the language.   she also said she worked at a "marriage agency"  and she tells everyone that she left because she felt bad.  she was writing letters to men at the same time,  she was in a relationship....told us she was honest,  but here is the catch.  she will help any man find a gf.  but the price is 50 dollars.  and she speaks of what seems to be a decent "marriage agency"  in ukraine..it just seems fishy,  that she would work for a "website."  and then do it to make some money...

I am just trying to make sense of it all...thanks for all responses..

If you think it is too good to be true, it is.


Please, use your common sense. How often does a babe (like the one you posted) comes knocking at your door ready to turn you into mush?

[IamMaiC]

Still a staged picture which she is posing for, not a natural one.
How would I tell? Check where she is sitting there is nothing for her to eat or drink, the picture is taken from a place where there is sushi and some drink. Now if this was a normal dinner/lunch there would be something on her side as well.

Edit: The quality is pretty low so the original might show it better, but yo ucan see the photographer in the reflection of the tea pot.

another picture,  she has several...   she has some pictures with this man,  but from a few years ago.  does not mean she no longer is involved with him.   

[Muzh]

I think you should just send her $300 Cash In the Mail. That way, she is going to scam you for the same amount of money as she would scam you if you chat with her on Anastasiadate / Russianbrides Jump4Love etc....  Just make it easier on her to scam you, and just send her $300 Cash In The Mail.

Actually, make it $30,000. Then you will have no doubt. 

[Muzh]

another picture,  she has several...    she has some pictures with this man,  but from a few years ago.  does not mean she no longer is involved with him.

Husband or pimp.

[alex330]

Actually, make it $30,000. Then you will have no doubt. 

Now that is true love 

[JayH]

ok,  should I message her at vk or soundcloud and see what happens?

I hope you read my post above !
An anecdote-
Some years ago in my first year of my search- I was in contact thru one of the more notorious sites.I had what I thought was a great interaction in chat and letters(no cam). Eventually I was due to make a trip and as the time got closer I was having a problem getting a reply.

As a few days passed and no reply-- trip plans now in the air etc-I started thinking of all the reasons she could be having a problem etc-- so--looking more closely at photos "she" had sent I noticed something in a photo that led to me finding her real name and led me to "her" contact details.

In looking at this- I found that she is a model and actress- actually quite well known on Ukrainian TV at that time and I saw literally 1000's of photos of her.Many of those photos were used on and in the promotion of the "dating" site where  I made contact-- as well as in a "profile"

So-in my naivety- I think great! I can understand why "she" was a bit cautious! Now I have her address and phone numbers- I call  and no answer. So I email direct with larger explanation,all my contact details  etc and advise of my pending arrival the next week.

Next day I call again--she answers!  She thinks fast-- and says she is in shower( which was true!) and that she was her manager--and please call later. So I call and call-no answer.
2 days later--I get a call on Skype-from a girl that barely resembles the profile photos.She was in disguise- I recognised her immediately as by now I had seen so many photos of her in costume and made up it was impossible not to know!

I played along for  a few minutes as she tried to establish my normality!!  Then I said--hey-I know it's you!! She took off the wig etc--and there she was-unbelievably beautiful  & laughing!Subsequently we did meet and I have socialised with her and some of her incredibly good looking friends quite often since that time.So-in a very roundabout way-I made good contact via a notorious website!!

Now-to her deal. She knew the photos were being used to promote the site-but was not aware of the profile being used.Though her management they did get paid for the photos.So-until I wrote via direct email-she knew nothing of that and was in fact curious to learn of it.

It is another example of why websites need to be approached with caution.

 

[jone]

We have had people come on this site that spent over $25,000 on the PPL and PPC sites and wound up with nothing.  These sites are very clever in extracting money.  Yet they are unable to produce direct results of actual marriages.

[Muzh]

We have had people come on this site that spent over $25,000 on the PPL and PPC sites and wound up with nothing.  These sites are very clever in extracting money.  Yet they are unable to produce direct results of actual marriages.

LMAO


During one of my trips (look it up) I wrote I was at an internet cafe in Pushkinskaya Metro station when I met a female techie nerd. She helped me quite a bit with increasing the speed in my laptop. She originally thought I was hunting for girls and when I told her I was married (at the time) to my wife from Kharkiv for over 13 years she opened up. We talked a bit about this and she laughed at the innocence of many western men. She thought that was cute because she was supplementing her income very handsomely. Then she pointed mr to not one but three "Hairy Boris" and the laughter they had was very noticeable.


So yes, they do make money. 

[alex330]

So yes, they do make money. 

The agency my wife worked for was making about 40k per month in affiliate revenue only. The owner had multiple agencies...

[Faux Pas]

Ok,  this morning.  I went to jump4love.   and I found a message from someone who I though had a boyfriend,  she is a Ukraine DJ.  she goes by the name of Natasha Phoenix.   well,  I had my concerns about these sites...I joined one years ago.  "RussianBrides.com"  which  I never really did anything at.  write letters or chat...

before I lose anyone with my rambling,  I listen to Natasha's Music.  quite often.  and she is on a site called soundcloud.com.   she puts her music there...  well,   she is "following"  me at that site.   I have liked her due to her "persona"  Natasha Phoenix.  but on her instagram,  she has older pictures with her and a man. not sure if they are still together. 

ok,  to my point.....she wrote me at jump4love,   I had my reservations about these pay websites.  but she wrote me that she is "following" me at soundcloud,com.....I mean   if jump4love is not legit,  then how would anyone,  if indeed someone else writes the letters for the ladies.  how would they know that unless she is actually Natasha Phoenix.....some of the women must be real...   I just found it odd when I saw the message this morning.   thanks for all advice...I'll include her picture,  highly photoshopped,  but I seen pics(selfies) and videos of her.   I think she's pretty.  I know some people may not agree...

Didn't you have a hot Ukrainian DJ babe already hot on your trail or is that someone else I am thinking about?

[Maxx2]

So-in a very roundabout way-I made good contact via a notorious website!!

Now-to her deal. She knew the photos were being used to promote the site-but was not aware of the profile being used.Though her management they did get paid for the photos.So-until I wrote via direct email-she knew nothing of that and was in fact curious to learn of it.

It is another example of why websites need to be approached with caution.

I just heard of similar experiences from a friend that just returned from Ukraine. He met a number of women through 'Army-of-Brides.' 

hello Maxx, Please get me out of here, haha. I think this Country forgot its name is Ukraine, not Paris, France.And these girls are nutz. Never in my life have I seen a 61" 95 lb woman eat like a horse. And they have no regard for the cost, it is nothing to them to order $100+ USD bottles of wine, added to their 3 or 4 course lunch. And if you say something then you are cheap and they want nothing to do with you.Ukraine sure has changed in the ten years I have been here.[/size]I am halfway through my visit here and cannot wait to get home and delete my agency account. I have met a couple really nice ladies, some real dogs, and have had some no shows or they come the few days late. I cannot wait to tell you about the two I met that want a 'man' so badly but are already married to their work. Really unbelievable.I arrive home on the late evening of the 22nd of March so plan on a long conversation the next evening or thereabouts. Met the owner of a local agency and she spent a lot of time going over several ladies with me, met two of her ladies, interesting stories there.we will speak soon.bill

He also told me that to meet with the woman/women he was corresponding to he had to pay a $50 "introduction fee" and they insisted on using their translator for the "women's protection." The cost was $20 an hour. He told me his dinner date cost him about $250 with nothing to show for it. All these agencies, A-of-B, AFA, Prettywoman work together and share photos et cetera.


Another guy who used my friend's agency A.o.B. told me contact with a woman is possible but not until after the piper is paid.

[alex330]

He also told me that to meet with the woman/women he was corresponding to he had to pay a $50 "introduction fee" and they insisted on using their translator for the "women's protection." The cost was $20 an hour. He told me his dinner date cost him about $250 with nothing to show for it. All these agencies, A-of-B, AFA, Prettywoman work together and share photos et cetera.

Many times the interpreter is required because that is who the man has actually been talking to the entire time. The lady will have no idea who you are and may actually speak some English. Both girls may actually be interpreters or friends from school. They will do each other favors.

By "interpreting" for the man she is able to play off the fact that she has been the one running the ladies profile while you are all out to dinner. They then kick back the girl a couple bucks and she gets a free dinner out of it. Who knows, maybe the guy is interesting?

In regard to the women's protection there is some truth to that. There are some real nut jobs that fly out there.