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[Maxx2]

Another reason to avoid agency girls who have plenty of experience milking all they can out of a guy. Your friend should know that he is on a date with a lady to figure her out. Just because she accepted a date with him doesn't mean she respects him and his money. He has a menu and he can see the prices. He should not let the woman dictate the order in a 5 star restaurant he didn't pick on a first date. There is no reason for a lady to order a $100 bottle of wine unless she hates the guy she's on a date with.

Usually there is a menu outside of the door of expensive restaurants. Most of the guys at the forum aren't Donald Trump so if you can't afford what is on the menu, tell the lady you don't want to eat there. You don't have to give her a reason and if she can't respect your wish, she doesn't like you so it's best to end the date before you spend $400 to feed her one meal. These girls are pros at separating money men from their money. Don't be stupid and let a person, who is sometimes half your age, take advantage of you.

I told him before he went that it was a big time scam agency with their chat girls getting a cut of chat and PPL letter fees. When 20 something model types say they don't care if a guy is 60, 70 or even 80 years old in their profile it's a major red flag that the agency will beat you up on costs if you expect to meet any of them.

[alex330]

Another reason to avoid agency girls who have plenty of experience milking all they can out of a guy. Your friend should know that he is on a date with a lady to figure her out. Just because she accepted a date with him doesn't mean she respects him and his money. He has a menu and he can see the prices. He should not let the woman dictate the order in a 5 star restaurant he didn't pick on a first date. There is no reason for a lady to order a $100 bottle of wine unless she hates the guy she's on a date with.

Usually there is a menu outside of the door of expensive restaurants. Most of the guys at the forum aren't Donald Trump so if you can't afford what is on the menu, tell the lady you don't want to eat there. You don't have to give her a reason and if she can't respect your wish, she doesn't like you so it's best to end the date before you spend $400 to feed her one meal. These girls are pros at separating money men from their money. Don't be stupid and let a person, who is sometimes half your age, take advantage of you.

I agree but I will give you the other side of the story as well.

Sometimes these agency girls may think a guy is decent and might have a chance. They want to take him to what they feel is a nice restaurant so he can impress the girl. They want everything to be right for the date. They want to show off their beautiful city and the nicer things it has to offer.

Even though the guy is clueless about how to dress and wear baggy jeans he may still have a shot. He actually seems nice for a change!

And what is $100 bucks on a bottle of wine? The same guy will not flinch at that cost back home when dating American women right? Why would a Ukrainian girl be worth less?

But he wants to be stingy and is paranoid. He thinks that since the women live in Ukraine he can get away with less. The terp thought she was doing him a favor and trying to set him up and instead he makes a scene and complains. His shot at that smokinhotkova is now blown.

Happens all the time. Gotta be cautious but not overly. Paranoia will destroya.

[Maxx2]

I agree but I will give you the other side of the story as well.

Sometimes these agency girls may think a guy is decent and might have a chance. They want to take him to what they feel is a nice restaurant so he can impress the girl. They want everything to be right for the date. They want to show off their beautiful city and the nicer things it has to offer.

Even though the guy is clueless about how to dress and wear baggy jeans he may still have a shot. He actually seems nice for a change!

And what is $100 bucks on a bottle of wine? The same guy will not flinch at that cost back home when dating American women right? Why would a Ukrainian girl be worth less?

But he wants to be stingy and is paranoid. He thinks that since the women live in Ukraine he can get away with less. The terp thought she was doing him a favor and trying to set him up and instead he makes a scene and complains. His shot at that smokinhotkova is now blown.

Happens all the time. Gotta be cautious but not overly. Paranoia will destroya.

Good points too. What I've noticed from his adventures is there is a fair amount of decent women mixed in with the out and out scammers, pro daters, pro shoppers et cetera. Sad to say the good ones get shut out because of agency tricks especially the restriction of direct contact.

[GatoMoon]

At the end of the day, you do not have to go to any expensive restaurants to be a romantic.   If you watch any romantic movies, ever seen all these films eating at expensive restaurants ???!!!!  NO!!

Just be creativity!   If the lady isn't happy, then she is NOT happy being with you.  The lady should respect you because you are spending the money on her.  If she thinks you are a cheapskate, forget her and move on.

Being a romantic doesn't have to be expensive.............

[GatoMoon]

Hi! This week i'm gonna talk with this one! Hope she is real. At least they day she is real...

I see pigs are flying!!

[BillyB]

And what is $100 bucks on a bottle of wine? The same guy will not flinch at that cost back home when dating American women right? Why would a Ukrainian girl be worth less?

No excuses for the woman. If she's ordering a $100 wine, she doesn't like the man because she doesn't care to impress him. Even a sincere woman with extravagant tastes will let the man decide where he's going to take her to eat. She needs to see what is acceptable and isn't acceptable to the man when taking a lady out on a first date. Taking any woman to McDonalds is not acceptable. If he takes her to a 3 or 4 star restaurant and she is a 5 star kind of woman, she will have her answer. Taking a man to a 5 star restaurant when most men visiting her are 3-4 star kind of guys is simply using them.

I've never ran into the problem others have written here. I don't use agencies or date their women. For those who do date agency women, dictate where you two are to eat. Challenge yourself to win these women over based on who you are, not what you can afford.

[alex330]

For the record I never even saw a 5 star restaurant in Ukraine...at least not in Kiev or Odessa.

[Anotherkiwi]

I only had one dinner date in Kyiv - can't remember the name of the restaurant, but it was on Mykhailyvs'ka Street, on the way up the hill from the Maidan.  Nice place which I was taken to by the lady I met, but certainly not a five star rip-off.  One look at the prices, and I thought it seemed pretty good value.

Three courses each, with some wine for the lady (only her, as I don't drink), and all for under 200 hryvnia.  That's only about $US 8 now, although it was probably three or four times that back in 2010 when I was there.  Value for money?  Too right - it was superb.

[JayH]

For the record I never even saw a 5 star restaurant in Ukraine...at least not in Kiev or Odessa.

I have seen a few with  5 star prices !!

Over the time I have been visiting  Ukraine I have seen many nice restaurants  appearing. Not 5 star overkill-- but good by any standard.

[Faux Pas]

For the record I never even saw a 5 star restaurant in Ukraine...at least not in Kiev or Odessa.

A true 5 star is far, few and in-between. That's why a 5 star rating is so hard to obtain. That said, most 4 stars are an experience to themselves. The solution is quite simple, if you have the money and it doesn't cripple you financially, go and enjoy the experience. If it does, don't go. Enjoy the meal, enjoy the wine, enjoy the company. Many yahoos going to date women in the FSU, go so tight fisted and anal retentive that they wouldn't enjoy any meal with anyone, at any restaurant. When you hear some one piss and moan that a women took them to an expensive restaurant, that is a man without a spine of and of which I speak.  Life is too eff'n short to bitch about having a first class meal with a beautiful women even if you think you're being used. Live a little

[BillyB]

For the record I never even saw a 5 star restaurant in Ukraine...at least not in Kiev or Odessa.

There's certainly enough ladies in the FSU that feel they deserve 5 star everything. As long as people are paying 5 star prices, there is somewhat of a feel the restaurant is 5 star in at least one category.

Life is too eff'n short to bitch about having a first class meal with a beautiful women even if you think you're being used. Live a little

I don't care if I got Bill Gate's money, if I go to the FSU, I will portray myself as an average American and try to win a lady over with my personal qualities, not my money. Once she accepts me well and I know she's not using me for money or green card, we won't live a little, we will live a lot.

[Faux Pas]

I don't care if I got Bill Gate's money, if I go to the FSU, I will portray myself as an average American and try to win a lady over with my personal qualities, not my money. Once she accepts me well and I know she's not using me for money or green card, we won't live a little, we will live a lot.

Then say no. Is that difficult? Or, would you go have the meal and then bitch about it?

[alex330]

That said, most 4 stars are an experience to themselves. The solution is quite simple, if you have the money and it doesn't cripple you financially, go and enjoy the experience. If it does, don't go. Enjoy the meal, enjoy the wine, enjoy the company. Many yahoos going to date women in the FSU, go so tight fisted and anal retentive that they wouldn't enjoy any meal with anyone, at any restaurant. When you hear some one piss and moan that a women took them to an expensive restaurant, that is a man without a spine of and of which I speak.  Life is too eff'n short to bitch about having a first class meal with a beautiful women even if you think you're being used. Live a little

Agreed. But if you don't have $100 to take a woman out to dinner this may not be for you.

Personally I prefer a nice 3-4 star anyways. And hey, a hole in the wall with amazing food is even better.

The nice thing about Ukraine is all the menu's I have seen are also in English. They don't surprise you. Be the man and take control and order the wine yourself. Or order an iced tea. No big deal.

Like Kiwi says, most of the restaurants are very reasonably priced. And many times the girl will just order a soup or a salad anyways.

I took my wife to the place below one trip to Kiev. Rooftop restaurant with great views, great food, and bill was around $100 total including wine I think.

http://carteblanche.ua/eng/restaurants/konkord.html

[Maxx2]

I don't use agencies or date their women. For those who do date agency women, [the agency] dictate where you two are to eat.

Billy almost hit the nail on the head. This guy used the 'Army-of-Brides' site because 10 years ago he had used them with success. But we all know that agencies have changed or I should say have gotten worse. Now when he wanted to meet a woman he had been in contact with through that website the agency dictated the conditions of the meeting. They insisted on sending one of their interpreters at $20 an hour to the meeting in the fancy restaurant in Odessa that they chose. He got information from one of the women there that he had privately contacted that the agency would scare the hell out of the women that the men could be sexual predators or worse. He said that he noticed the women he met seemed to know what and what not to say as if they had been coached ahead of time by the agency.

[Maxx2]

corrected the above ^

[Maxx2]

The costs of his "$250 dinner date" were for 3 people, $20 an hour for the translator, a $50 introduction fee, asked for taxi fare (I don't know how much) for the lady and some expensive meals and wine. He told me $50 for the bottle of wine and later $100 so there might be some exaggeration in there. The point isn't the exact costs it is the agency takes advantage big time in these meets.

[BillyB]

Then say no. Is that difficult? Or, would you go have the meal and then bitch about it?

How about in your last post you say "yes", you're the type of guy that likes to live a little and would mind spending a few hundred bucks on a meal for a woman even you don't know if she's using you. Is that difficult?

[Faux Pas]

How about in your last post you say "yes", you're the type of guy that likes to live a little and would mind spending a few hundred bucks on a meal for a woman even you don't know if she's using you. Is that difficult?

That makes no sense Billy. Quit being a moron. If your massive ego doesn't allow to seize the moment, have a nice meal with a stranger who may or may not be using you then, say no and take your paranoid ass down to the pizza joint and have a slice by yourself. Pretty simple, eh?

[Faux Pas]

Agreed. But if you don't have $100 to take a woman out to dinner this may not be for you.

Personally I prefer a nice 3-4 star anyways. And hey, a hole in the wall with amazing food is even better.

The nice thing about Ukraine is all the menu's I have seen are also in English. They don't surprise you. Be the man and take control and order the wine yourself. Or order an iced tea. No big deal.

Like Kiwi says, most of the restaurants are very reasonably priced. And many times the girl will just order a soup or a salad anyways.



I took my wife to the place below one trip to Kiev. Rooftop restaurant with great views, great food, and bill was around $100 total including wine I think.

http://carteblanche.ua/eng/restaurants/konkord.html

True. I am much more of a hole-in-the-wall out of the way place kind of guy myself but, I also enjoy fine dining and a good meal. Sometimes you have to pay a lot for that, sometimes you don't and I am okay either way. I've spent $4-500 on a meal and pleased as punch that I did and I've spent $10 at KFC and got madder than hell about the meal.

With one exception I don't recall ever paying more than $100 for a meal in the FSU. That one exception was my choice, damn well worth it and included fine Beluga caviar. Most meals even 2-4 people rarely exceed $35-40 IME

I don't ever recall being out on the sidewalk debating as Billy does whether the meal is worth the price, is this person using me, do I say yes, do I say no, do I start crying for mommy because I fear I am being used for a $100 meal

[northkape]

No excuses for the woman. If she's ordering a $100 wine, she doesn't like the man because she doesn't care to impress him. Even a sincere woman with extravagant tastes will let the man decide where he's going to take her to eat. She needs to see what is acceptable and isn't acceptable to the man when taking a lady out on a first date. Taking any woman to McDonalds is not acceptable. If he takes her to a 3 or 4 star restaurant and she is a 5 star kind of woman, she will have her answer. Taking a man to a 5 star restaurant when most men visiting her are 3-4 star kind of guys is simply using them.

I know,,, I might differ somewhat from most men here....
But during my almost two years of dating, (from spring -13 to the end of 2015) all over Ukraine,,,,
McDonalds was my number one place for meeting, eating, coffee, with the more than 30 women I dated.

For me, in my opinion,,,, if the place to eat is important for a woman, she isn't for me anyways.
But I can't remember this being important at all, as I had good or very good chemistry, with almost all women I met with.
And they wanted to meet again, McDonalds or not....

The beauty I went on a vacation with to Cyprus in february 2014,,, here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.575
did however, make a somewhat negative comment about McDonalds when we were going home 

During the 8 months I dated / lived together with Tanya (now my wife), I can't remember eating out at any place "ranking above" McDonalds.

[2tallbill]

I know,,, I might differ somewhat from most men here....
But during my almost two years of dating, (from spring -13 to the end of 2015) all over Ukraine,,,,
McDonalds was my number one place for meeting, eating, coffee, with the more than 30 women I dated.

I have often met at McDonald's since it's a landmark where everyone knows where it is,
then walked to a nearby cafe to eat. I've never eaten at Mickey D's while in the FSU
preferring to go native or adopting the when in Rome attitude. 
 
There are many paths to success, everyone has to use what works with their personality, 
situation and comfort level.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

I don't ever recall being out on the sidewalk debating as Billy does whether the meal is worth the price, is this person using me, do I say yes, do I say no, do I start crying for mommy because I fear I am being used for a $100 meal

On a first date, I almost always picked the place. While I have dated a few prodaters
none of them tried to pull me into a restaurant. I think that they could see that I didn't
have stars in my eyes and that it wouldn't work. It takes a certain gullible or low self
worth type of guy to get pulled into such obvious traps. I don't think that I give off
that vibe.

[GatoMoon]

I don't care if I got Bill Gate's money, if I go to the FSU, I will portray myself as an average American and try to win a lady over with my personal qualities, not my money. Once she accepts me well and I know she's not using me for money or green card, we won't live a little, we will live a lot.

+1   same with me - I always do that.

[GatoMoon]

At the end of the day, if you are taking your lady to McDonald's for lunch, that's fine as long as she is happy being with you.  If she complains about something, then she isn't really happy being with you.    In my past relationships with FSU girls  (2 x Belarus, 1 x Uzbekistan), they have never complaint.  I took them to McDonald's for lunch and reasonable priced restaurants at night.   They were happy being with me.

By the way, I had lunch at Milan's McDonald's with my last ex-girlfriend.   The place is very good, overlooking at famous Milan's gothic cathedral.  Who wouldn't want to eat there!!!

Just remember if the lady wants to eat any expensive restaurants, it is obviously why she wants a foreigner.  (= money)

[fathertime]

On a first date, I almost always picked the place. While I have dated a few prodaters
none of them tried to pull me into a restaurant. I think that they could see that I didn't
have stars in my eyes and that it wouldn't work. It takes a certain gullible or low self
worth type of guy to get pulled into such obvious traps. I don't think that I give off
that vibe.

Well Bill, you have probably described yourself accurately.  For whatever reason, certain ladies seem to vibe better with gullible/low self worth type guys.  The willingness to play along (and be manipulated) is probably a key component.  It is good there is a spectrum of men out there to accommodate the needs of different ladies.  I'm probably like you in that respect, so those particular ladies would find infertile soil with you or I...but there is always somebody else where the soils are fertile and the eyes are willfully blind!


Fathertime!