What to write?

[Trenchcoat]

So although I've written to a fair few women now I still wonder what to write?  By this I mean how to write effectively to a lady. Sure we can all think up something and write the usually 'I do this what do you do' etc. Is there more pertinent stuff to put though? That will build a relationship more?

I write this as I have seen a girl on Mamba and my rod was pointing in the right direction  However, after concern was raised that I might have not got the last girl in the right frame of mind by talking sexy enough I thought it best to enquire with you guys on how upfront to begin with should I be in writing to her?

[LAman]

Again Trenchcoat, you think too much. Writing a girl has a 'flow' to it and almost every girl the flow is different as is the communication and topics of letters/messages. First one or two letters start similar/same but it tends to go in a direction. Some could be formal while others get right down 'nasty'. Go with the flow!!!!

BTW-If you have to ask others what to write or what not to write, you are in questionable shape.

[GatoMoon]

Just write to thousands women with your 'copy and paste' letters, telling them that you have a big banana and see how many response will you get?  LOL

Seriously, like LAman mentioned that every women are different, different 'flow' - what he mentioned.    Not easy to write to many women using different letters! 

[dragonkid]

Hello, You look cute, we should get married, have 2 kids, get a dog and name him Bruno . only for 10 years down the line to realise we were young and foolish. But don’t worry, we will be rich, and be able to pay for the couple’s therapy, you will learn to forgive my annoying humour, and i will deal with your obsession with baking and nagging. We will buy a villa by the Spanish coast, visit it every summer, have great sex in our 40’s and have a gardener called Fernandez. What do you say?


Don't try this with fsuw dating sites, doesn't work, no sense of humor, only pof in uk. This is why i prefer western women in some respect, banter , and chill behavior. luckily some fsuw get it and love it rather than the classical approach, you attract the women that speak good english,and good sense of humor. I use a different approach, but i ain't going to share, going to pass it down to my son to use 

[ML]

Just write to thousands women with your 'copy and paste' letters, telling them that you have a big banana and see how many response will you get?  LOL

Seriously, like LAman mentioned that every women are different, different 'flow' - what he mentioned.    Not easy to write to many women using different letters!

It does take a little bit of skill to pull this off.  i.e. Sending basically the same letter to thousands of women (men).

And there is no need to tell size of banana or anything else.

The thing you do is use the same basic letter to each woman . . . but you do address their individual questions, and ask your own questions according to specific things you read about them, etc.

It's really not all that hard to do.

Out of thousands of women I had some correspondence with; I never had one that suggested I had sent a 'copy and paste' letter.

And, upon meeting, we immediately had hundreds of things to talk about as follow ups to what had been written previously.  None of the awkwardness that many guys report regarding what to talk about during first meetings, etc.

[Trenchcoat]

I know ML I can do that stuff you mention in letters fine and have plenty of stuff to talk about when we meet. My main issue I think is not getting stuck on this stuff and ignoring any focus on the more sexual side. I would like to do this from the first letter so as to not get cornered into the usual, I do this what do you do/happening in your life sort of thing. While at the same time not turning the girl off by her thinking I'm a total perv (which of course I am but I don't want her to know that  )

I could obviously go on about her sexyness in pics as many are and I guess that is what I would want to talk about but I'm not sure if it is such  a good idea.

I'm sure DK is just itching to tell us his secret method 

[Gator]

Trenchcoat, are you serious about sex talk!  What am I missing?

I read selectively at RWD, and seeing the thread title I thought I could help.  The most help I can offer you is to avoid the subject of sex in correspondence.

If sex chatting is your thing Trenchcoat, I suggest you write an interesting, yet serious  introductory email that is tailored to trigger words in a woman's profile.  If she answers you, ask her to join you on Skype.  And while on Skype, somehow lead her to sexy talk.

I did not raise the subject of sex.  Yet it sometimes came up.  Two of the women I Skyped with loved to undress completely, and one did hardcore acts.  Mind you, I never met these women, so they did this without really knowing me.    It was interesting entertainment , but not something I would want in a wife. 

So what's the story Trenchcoat?

[ML]

Two of the women I Skyped with loved to undress completely, and one did hardcore acts.  Mind you, I never met these women, so they did this without really knowing me.    It was interesting entertainment , but not something I would want in a wife.

Why wouldn't you want this in a wife?

1) Because you don't want a wife who does it at all.
2) Because you don't want a wife who did it without really knowing you.

[dragonkid]

Since my ex i stopped with the sexual kind of talks, just save it in person, there is no need over the internet. I asked my russian ex if we could record something, she told me fuck no, asked me if i ever done it  she was not too pleased .I sent my fair share of pics and videos, some were worth it, i remember being online at 1am, got a random skype call, girl i was talking to was with her friend and was slightly drunk, minus some clothing, teases, and no scamming, she genuinely wanted me to come down..... People who say russian women are saints are dead wrong, they have a very feisty side,just like western women, unfortunately i haven't dated many.

I dated a fsu girl in uk, unlike most fsu women, she had big tits, ass, and was slender, my brother and others said she was busty like a porn star. when i say dated, more like i hit her up on pof, she wanted me to go out with her for a drink, i was doing my masters at the time, told her i was busy, but she was welcome to come and chill. A lot of convincing, and her acting like a saint, she came over. She didn't let me go to bed, but at the same time tried to play the saint, she was most craziest girl i ever dated in bed. funny thing is, first time we met, after sex she wanted to know what i had in my kitchen cupboard, she wanted to cook, her cooking skills were just as good as her skills in bed. After we broke up, i searched fsu women, and found fdating, that is how my fsu search started, lost all interest in local women.

[Trenchcoat]

Trenchcoat, are you serious about sex talk!  What am I missing?

I read selectively at RWD, and seeing the thread title I thought I could help.  The most help I can offer you is to avoid the subject of sex in correspondence.

If sex chatting is your thing Trenchcoat, I suggest you write an interesting, yet serious  introductory email that is tailored to trigger words in a woman's profile.  If she answers you, ask her to join you on Skype.  And while on Skype, somehow lead her to sexy talk.

I did not raise the subject of sex.  Yet it sometimes came up.  Two of the women I Skyped with loved to undress completely, and one did hardcore acts.  Mind you, I never met these women, so they did this without really knowing me.    It was interesting entertainment , but not something I would want in a wife. 

So what's the story Trenchcoat?

Dunno I seem to get frigid women come up a lot, perhaps I should act as an agent for DK, he seems to want them but can't find them, I don't. The latest girl I am messaging seems more of the same there. The only one that messaged me that wasn't I thought she would most likely turn out to be a scammer so didn't bother replying, that was a while back though. I'm not after a complete slapper but I don't want a repeat of the last situation, I just want a girl that is into me and action happening.

[dragonkid]

Dunno I seem to get frigid women come up a lot,  he seems to want them but can't find them, I don't.

The common saying is, most woman is a frigid till she meets the right guy, who can play on her desires, and give her what she wants from a man.

[Boethius]

Dunno I seem to get frigid women come up a lot, perhaps I should act as an agent for DK, he seems to want them but can't find them, I don't. The latest girl I am messaging seems more of the same there. The only one that messaged me that wasn't I thought she would most likely turn out to be a scammer so didn't bother replying, that was a while back though. I'm not after a complete slapper but I don't want a repeat of the last situation, I just want a girl that is into me and action happening.

Where to start?  You appear to have little understanding of the female psyche.  Most normal women don't want to engage in sex talk with random men online.

[JayH]

Where to start?  You appear to have little understanding of the female psyche.  Most normal women don't want to engage in sex talk with random men online.

Appear? between he and his nut case advisor DK-- collectively clueless. Both have a disgusting attitude  to women--best the 2 of you stick to your fantasies looking at photos--forget real life. 

[Boethius]

I disagree with your characterization of both posters.

[BillyB]

Two of the women I Skyped with loved to undress completely, and one did hardcore acts.

Cool story Bro. I trust you but in this case I need to verify. What are the contact info of those women?

[dragonkid]

Both have a disgusting attitude  to women

i am a dog yes, but a loyal one. I have never cheated in a relationship, had options, my morals are not forced on me, i abide to my own morals because i choose to do so. I have no need to get married now, i can enjoy a very good life being single, but if i meet the right girl i will happily do so. my plans in Russia is not to sleep around, i have no interest in what nationalities of the women i slept with, or number of women, both are pointless for me, i rather just date and take my time.

trench, don't do the sex stuff, i know you are eager to meet a girl who is serious about you, and you think if she talks dirty that is a good indicator. Yet i dated one in russia, and know of others who are not like that. Just be kind, respectful, and women will love you for that. 

[msmobyone]

I wrote an individual letter to any women I was interested in - treating them as such and I  could remember what I'd said and why...

Think this is now the FORTH  time I have suggested this Trench..

BE YOURSELF..

[dragonkid]

Trench, i've talked to more women than most on here, skyped with them, really tried to understand their previous relationships. I am a type of guy that is curious, and constantly trying to piece things together. I don't accept answers like "russian men are ugly", i push till a woman really opens up. Tells me everything, i constantly remind them i won't judge, i listen carefully to what they have to say, as long as it is the truth.

Guys on here need to realise, FSUM completely destroy us in terms of understanding a woman's heart. Key difference between us and them is, they understand how deep russian women are emotionally, i was told this by my ex, and some others that dated westerners. i am a complete romantic. Believe me on that, women i previously dated, loved that side about me, how deep i was, i touched women like no other man would, made them feel unique and special, but with her she knew i didn't compare well against most FSUM. We are very logical, we take our time when dating, making sure she is perfect etc, not FSUM, rather than talk about love, they are irrational, they are not scared to drop what they are doing to be with their love. I know a guy who dropped his job in france to go back to ukraine, ukrainain man. They prove their love with actions, we say we love a woman, but take years till we propose, countless trips, and throw in the iron clad prenup.

We western men just don't compare well. We can either live in denial, or choose to change. For me i choose to do the latter, be deep, on your profile talk about what you really want. Read an Indian guys profile, i find it funny at times, but thinking now, it seems like they have the right mind set, they talk about love, what their first date would be like.

These women need a strong man, but a man that also has an affectionate side. You need to be different from the rest of western men.I plan on reworking my whole profile, for now i am trying to discover myself. Look at this




Second time i tried to keep my distance



she is persistent over me, i tried to keep my distance, yet she still tries,spoke to her for a few months now. my ex was the same and others, i put her on my backup list, but she didn't let me. I won't meet this girl, as physically she isn't my type, i know what i want.I am going to spain and germany in two weeks, if i met the right girl, i would rather go to russia. i am 100% confident if i apply myself correctly, i can get what i want, no excuses, you can get a beautiful and a woman that loves you deeply, if you do all you can. Like morty said, "you can meet a lingerie model that can cook", but not if you do the same thing everyone else is doing. I never understood why some guys said they can't get laid in fsu, roosh made a video saying he couldn't get anything for 3 months, these guys lost their soul maybe one of the most valuable things you need to attract a woman (more than your wallet).

Be illogical, be brave, show that you are strong, and deep at the same time. If not, be lazy, and land yourself a woman that isn't that great.

[Gator]

Why wouldn't you want this in a wife?

1) Because you don't want a wife who does it at all.
2) Because you don't want a wife who did it without really knowing you.

I prefer some connection before exploring. 

[Gator]

Dunno I seem to get frigid women come up a lot, perhaps I should act as an agent for DK, he seems to want them but can't find them, I don't. The latest girl I am messaging seems more of the same there. The only one that messaged me that wasn't I thought she would most likely turn out to be a scammer so didn't bother replying, that was a while back though. I'm not after a complete slapper but I don't want a repeat of the last situation, I just want a girl that is into me and action happening.

Thanks for the answer.  I believe I understand your objective.  I assume you want a woman to sex chat with you not because it is entertainment but because you believe such is proof she is sexual. 

Don't do it.  You will turn off too many decent women who probably would have blown your socks off if you had behaved like a normal person.  Instead, try to develop  mutual interest with normal conversations, humor and charm.  Make her feel comfortable.  A comfortable woman will not be frigid.  However, if you push her, she will not be comfortable.

I suggest you reevaluate whether your behavior may be making these "frigid" women uncomfortable.  You should do your own analysis and not try to explain it to us. 

There are many, many FSUW.  Keep trying. 

[JayH]

1/Trench, i've talked to more women than most on here,

2/Guys on here need to realise, FSUM completely destroy us in terms of understanding a woman's heart. Key difference between us and them is, they understand how deep russian women are emotionally,

3/ i was told this by my ex, and some others that dated westerners.
4/i am a complete romantic. Believe me on that, women i previously dated, loved that side about me, how deep i was,
5/ i touched women like no other man would, made them feel unique and special, but with her she knew i didn't compare well against most FSUM. We are very logical, we take our time when dating, making sure she is perfect etc, not FSUM, rather than talk about love, they are irrational, they are not scared to drop what they are doing to be with their love. I know a guy who dropped his job in france to go back to ukraine, ukrainain man.
6/They prove their love with actions, we say we love a woman, but take years till we propose, countless trips, and throw in the iron clad prenup.

7/We western men just don't compare well. We can either live in denial, or choose to change. For me i choose to do the latter, be deep, on your profile talk about what you really want. Read an Indian guys profile, i find it funny at times, but thinking now, it seems like they have the right mind set, they talk about love, what their first date would be like.

8/These women need a strong man, but a man that also has an affectionate side. You need to be different from the rest of western men.


9/.I am going to spain and germany in two weeks,

10/. i  I never understood why some guys said they can't get laid in fsu, roosh made a video saying he couldn't get anything for 3 months, these guys lost their soul maybe one of the most valuable things you need to attract a woman (more than your wallet).

1/ You believe your own bs-again.You have no idea about others here. There is a large cross section and your attempt to claim  superior experience is just all bs-again

2/Here you go again--massive generalisations about guys on here.You address the forum as if it was all the same person--and all inferior to you--which is actually quite funny that you could be so dumb

3/Do you really thin others have not accumulated knowledge and experience on all matters mentioned?While it is all new to you-plenty of others have heard it all

4/ LoL-- your ego is only exceeded by the degree of stupidity you repeatedly show

5/ LoL-DITTO

6/ As I said above--you take aim at everyone else here as if it is one person.Many views and ideas are expressed here.When you grow up-you may understand that.On second thoughts-you aint that smart !

7/ There you go again-- lump everyone else in .Actually--you illustrate what you dont know here very well

8/Duh!!

9/Another sex tour? Or more bs?

10/  Such an expert-- and all on the basis of your hero the cretin Roosh

Seriously-you have had 51/2 minutes exposure and now consider yourself an expert to be handing out advice to all and sundry-laughable.

[dragonkid]

1/ You believe your own bs-again.You have no idea about others here. There is a large cross section and your attempt to claim  superior experience is just all bs-again

2/Here you go again--massive generalisations about guys on here.You address the forum as if it was all the same person--and all inferior to you--which is actually quite funny that you could be so dumb

3/Do you really thin others have not accumulated knowledge and experience on all matters mentioned?While it is all new to you-plenty of others have heard it all

Heard it and practice it is two different things, some guys get it perfectly,i remember reading some posters who had that sort of mentality, some of them left now, some still post it.  Hard to rewire yourself after dating for so many years in a short period of time (year or two), and a lot are from failed marriages, they are more cautious, damaged in a way. I am just telling you what countless women have told me in fsu, but i never really thought much of it. Some guys talk, but when it comes to doing action, they are hesitant.

My ego is from my success, the success that allows me to date/reject women that you and others would die to be with. Yet i never claim to be the best looking guy, i just evaluate myself on what i accomplish, and try and take small incremental steps to new goals. There are guys better looking than me, richer, yet i probably do a lot better than them, either because i actually jump on the plane, or i just understand the women more and more as time passes by. Like me or hate me, i am still doing better than you.

[2tallbill]

So although I've written to a fair few women now I still wonder what to write?  By this I mean how to write effectively to a lady. Sure we can all think up something and write the usually 'I do this what do you do' etc. Is there more pertinent stuff to put though? That will build a relationship more?

I write this as I have seen a girl on Mamba and my rod was pointing in the right direction  However, after concern was raised that I might have not got the last girl in the right frame of mind by talking sexy enough I thought it best to enquire with you guys on how upfront to begin with should I be in writing to her?

You need to start by determining your goals. Make a list of every single thing that your
perfect girl would have. Also make a list of things that an ideal girl wouldn't have.

Example List of perfect girls haves
1. Attractive
2. Slim
3. Honest
4. Loving
5. Caring
6. Etc
.....
111. loves American football especially your alma mater
112. beautiful singing voice
113. knows English fluently but still has sexy accent

Example of not haves
1. Four exhusbands
2. Smokes crack
3. Has crew cut and tattoos   
4. etc
...
85. Former prostitute
86. Complains about the toilet seat
87. Enjoys bestiality

Then put them in order from most important to least with an asterisk beside anything
that is a deal breaker.

Now you know what you are looking for.
"Unless you know where you are going any road will take you there." (Louis Carol)

Think about what you need to know about this girl (everything)
Then what does this girl need to know about you? (almost everything)

International marriage is filled with perils and pitfalls. The most common and easiest
to resolve problem is that people marry strangers that they don't know. You need to
decide not to be that guy.

The next most common problem is that guys pursue girls who are only mildly interested
in them at best, but are hot.

I had to say those things first before I got onto the topic of conversation. If you don't
follow the exercise of making the lists and knowing what you want and don't want then
your conversations are going to be a bit haphazard, which I think you are experiencing.

So you write an introduction letter to 150 girls. 30 girls reply and you start narrowing it
down. Ask them to meet you on Skype and some won't want to do it, so dump them
and keep narrowing it down. During this process in my experience one girl stood out.
If one girl doesn't stand out then I dump all the girls and start over. I wanted a stand
out girl and you should too.

Once you find a stand out girl go through your list of deal breakers. Not in one sitting!
and not like a interrogation. If she passes the deal breakers then you need to meet
her. Why? because you don't know if you have mutual chemistry or not.

Once you've visited a girl and established you have mutual chemistry you need to
learn every single thing about this girl and visit her again.

What are her opinions on
1. Child raising and discipline
2. What annoys her? you should be able to list at least 25 things. If you can't then
you don't know this girl.
3. What do others find annoying about her?
4. What are her expectations about marriage
5. What does she think a husband should do, what are his responsibilities
6. What are a wife's responsibilities
7. Who replaces the lightbulbs? who mows the yard, who washes the car? inside the car?
8. Pets? cats? catbox? what happens to pets for vacations to the FSU?
9. Who does homework with the kids
10. What subjects in school did she hate? love? why?
11. Sex, I could come up with 200 questions without any trouble not counting follow ups
12. What scares her?
13. What situations make her nervous?
14. What does she think are good rules during fights?
15. Does she follow the rules during fights?
16. What will she do if you are in a bad mood?
17. What gets her in bad moods?
18. How often does she want to be alone?
19. What time does she like waking up?
20. What side of the bed does she like?
21. What are her deal breakers
22. Who are her best friends? why?
23. How will she talk to them if she marries you?
24. Does she know how to drive?

With a standout girl that you have mutual chemistry, you ask a question, she answers and you talk about it. It will come naturally. After your first meeting talk extensively about the
future. Before your first meeting talk extensively about the possibilities.

I could write another 50 pages but I gotta get to work and don't want to put
everyone to sleep.

Udachi!

Bill

[Trenchcoat]

At this point in time I'm still thinking of giving the visit many a go. Depending on how that goes I can always change try the visit one again etc. For me though the flaw of staking all bets on one gir lto visit one at a time ddoesn't make common sense. Maybe if she was coming on real strong in a genuine way I would but I would need to be really convinced of this.

I have few dealbreakers as long as the chemistry is there Though I would not be keen on:

Already got children
Smoker/Drug user
Tattoos  (Particularly large ones)
Serious Mental health issues
Materialistic
Too distrustful

That's about it I think, some of those might be dealbreakers if it was apparent they were severe enough.

[treadmilldude]

Trenchcoat, why is a FSU woman with a child a deal breaker for you? By you allowing that to be a dealbreaker, you are severely limiting yourself on the number of wonderful, loving FSU women who would make a wonderful Wife to you. I am extremely curious to know why a woman with a child is a deal breaker for you. I have actively sought out on Mamba ONLY women who already have children for so many different reasons. I just think I will have more success with a woman that already has a Child than one who is childless. Plus it greatly speeds up the process of me becoming a Dad. Finally, giving a FSU child with only a single parent a second parent, establishing, in effect a 2-parent household, affords that child so many more opportunities in life, such a greater chance to be a success in so many different avenues of life - economically, academically, socially and culturally....I mean the list goes on and on of the benefits to a child of having 2 parents as opposed to only one parent.

An important Deal breaker for me is a woman who is rude to her parents. The first time I am around my girl and her parents, I watch with hawk-like intensity the degree of respect she affords her Mom and Dad. A woman who clearly has 2 excellent parents that love her and respect her, yet does not reciprocate the love and respect her Parents show her.....I want absolutely no part of that woman, I dump her as fast as I possibly can. IMO, if a woman treats her own Mom and Dad poorly, then she is going to be a nightmare of a wife if you make the mistake of marrying her. I have made the mistake of dating girls who were very rude to their parents simply because they were extremely "hot" and their looks made me overlook this very serious character defect of theirs....wow what an enormous mistake, I cannot believe I let myself think with my wrong head. 

Trenchcoat, seriously, please answer my question in detail about why a woman having a child is a deal breaker for you. I sincerely believe you have a greater chance of finding a wonderful FSU Woman who has a child than does not have a child. And, as I said, I have met some wonderful women on Mamba, CharmingBrides, VK who were childless - at this point in my search, I just had to apologize to them and explain I am looking for a woman who does have a child. It's not entirely fair to these women who did not have children because I was really impressed with their kindness, and I felt awful having to tell them this.