Why not to date Ukrainian women

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[alex330]

All very true in my experience. Guys who are looking take notes.

[dragonkid]

watching the video, i can't tell the difference between western women and fsu women. Major difference is western women are more independent, they won't stand for your bullshit. FSU women won't stand for your bullshit after she gets her independece, then it is too late 

[LiveFromUkraine]

watching the video, i can't tell the difference between western women and fsu women. Major difference is western women are more independent, they won't stand for your bullshit.

There is only so much bullshit any woman will accept.  Plenty of women are divorced in Ukraine, Russia...  because they wouldn't stand for bullshit.  I don't think any man or woman want to be in a position that requires them to stay due to financial reasons.

[HoundDaddyLee]

Love the line... "not only will you know, the whole neighborhood will know". 


HDL

[mhr7]

watching the video, i can't tell the difference between western women and fsu women. Major difference is western women are more independent, they won't stand for your bullshit. FSU women won't stand for your bullshit after she gets her independece, then it is too late 

FSU women won't stand for your bullshit at any point and they are fairly independent. I've had to behave myself better around FSU women than I ever did with a western one.

[dragonkid]

There is only so much bullshit any woman will accept.  Plenty of women are divorced in Ukraine, Russia...  because they wouldn't stand for bullshit.  I don't think any man or woman want to be in a position that requires them to stay due to financial reasons.

Threshold for western women is much lower, they have the freedom to be picky. FSU women may not like it, but they hope their man will change. From what i heard a few marriages on here have actually crumbled after the woman became independent. FSUW take the risk, but if the man doesn't change, once she get her independence she is gone, she is willing to give the man a chance to prove himself to be worthy of her till she reaches a point where her threshold is exceeded, or she will tolerate it till she is able to leave.

FSU women won't stand for your bullshit at any point and they are fairly independent. I've had to behave myself better around FSU women than I ever did with a western one.

what? Earning £200-500 a month is independence? Really now, if there was strong independence, majority of 35 and under fsuw wouldn't bother with foreign dating.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Threshold for western women is much lower, they have the freedom to be picky. FSU women may not like it, but they hope their man will change. From what i heard a few marriages on here have actually crumbled after the woman became independent. FSUW take the risk, but if the man doesn't change, once she get her independence she is gone, she is willing to give the man a chance to prove himself to be worthy of her till she reaches a point where her threshold is exceeded, or she will tolerate it till she is able to leave.

You are assuming the woman was with the man because he had potential.  That may not even have been the case.

what? Earning £200-500 a month is independence? Really now, if there was strong independence, majority of 35 and under fsuw wouldn't bother with foreign dating.

If that was the case, your ex would have ran back to you simply because you have higher earning power.  It isn't as black and white as you may think.

[dragonkid]

If that was the case, your ex would have ran back to you simply because you have higher earning power.  It isn't as black and white as you may think.

i actually broke up with her twice whilst i was in russia, 3 times whilst i was in UK. I just didn't feel right with her at times. I knew i mucked up the relationship since the start, but she kept going.

You are assuming the woman was with the man because he had potential.  That may not even have been the case.

YOu sound like the women who tell me they want me because russians are ugly, boring , rude, violent, not loving, or whatever excuse they can put together. I broke contact with a few women, and still they try to get back with me. Not solely because of the size of my manhood,My face , body, british accent, earning power, it is because compared to the locals they have, i do better. I can offer them a bit of everything, and they find that hard to get in fsu. I am just speaking from personal experience on what i can get away with in russia vs western countries.

[LiveFromUkraine]

i actually broke up with her twice whilst i was in russia, 3 times whilst i was in UK. I just didn't feel right with her at times. I knew i mucked up the relationship since the start, but she kept going.

Yet when you tried to get back with her she stopped you.  She isn't going any longer.

YOu sound like the women who tell me they want me because russians are ugly, boring , rude, violent, not loving, or whatever excuse they can put together. I broke contact with a few women, and still they try to get back with me.

Are these women you dated or simply messaged on dating sites?

[mhr7]

Threshold for western women is much lower, they have the freedom to be picky. FSU women may not like it, but they hope their man will change. From what i heard a few marriages on here have actually crumbled after the woman became independent. FSUW take the risk, but if the man doesn't change, once she get her independence she is gone, she is willing to give the man a chance to prove himself to be worthy of her till she reaches a point where her threshold is exceeded, or she will tolerate it till she is able to leave.

what? Earning £200-500 a month is independence? Really now, if there was strong independence, majority of 35 and under fsuw wouldn't bother with foreign dating.

Independent meaning they do what they want, it has nothing to do with money. If they are only attracted to you because of money, stay home.

[alex330]

FSU women won't stand for your bullshit at any point and they are fairly independent.

Agreed. Also real go getters in life. Not willing to "settle".

We know some who did not have the financial means and that did not stop them from leaving the guy for his bullshit.

[dragonkid]

Yet when you tried to get back with her she stopped you.  She isn't going any longer.

Yes i reached her threshold, thankyou for point that out, i don't know many women who will allow a guy to break up with them 5 times within 6 weeks, and still hang around in UK.

Are these women you dated or simply messaged on dating sites?

I met one only my ex, but i talked to so many beautiful women, i know what i can get away with. All of them are willing to travel out to see me, forget about meeting me in the airport, i mean travel to my city and come to me. I honestly had problems with a few, but just one wouldn't budge to see me, she is an innocent 18 year old, rest have friends/family in moscow like my ex, or was going to stay at my apartment, as i promised no funny business. In UK this would never happen, yes netflix and chill i did it a few times, but not with so many women,so easily, especially some that were hot.

Guys that think FSUW are innocent, well behaved, need to understand that these women will do a lot for the right man. I know my instincts, i  am young and compared to the guys on dating sites, i blow most out the water. For me it is very easy to get a girl, but i am not naive to think it is solely down to me being more attractive than russians, better behaved, more intelligent, it is that simply i can offer FSUW security, and a mixture of different attributes, they may not love me, but they can tolerate me, settle down, and see how it plays out. Some women like my ex have their own apartment, decent paid job, but didn't want to sell themselves to a rich old man in russia.



Women are looking for stability, eager to get married quick, willing to give the man a chance.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Yes i reached her threshold, thankyou for point that out, i don't know many women who will allow a guy to break up with them 5 times within 6 weeks, and still hang around in UK.

DK, my pointing out she reached her threshold wasn't to rub salt in the wound.  It was to show that there is a threshold and it is different for each person. 


I have seen a lot of women go back to men over and over again.  I'm talking about western women.  When I was younger I had a few relationships where we broke up several times and got back together.   Now I have enough experience to not bother with the back and forth.  I imagine I am not alone when it came to learning this.


The things you are writing is applicable to western women from my experiences.  I also don't think most guys here think all fsu women are innocent.   Maybe some delusional MOBer, but majority of the guys here have seen and experienced enough to know better. 

[dragonkid]

DK, my pointing out she reached her threshold wasn't to rub salt in the wound.  It was to show that there is a threshold and it is different for each person.   

Exactly i said everyone has a threshold, and hers was a lot higher than a woman in uk, especially her being hottest woman i dated, or even came close to in UK. I can get away with stuff there what i can't dream of at home.

Why are we denying that the threshold for fsuw is a lot higher?


Just so you know, when i came on here,after she did agree to meet up with me again, but she was very angry.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Exactly i said everyone has a threshold, and hers was a lot higher than a woman in uk, especially her being hottest woman i dated, or even came close to in UK. I can get away with stuff there what i can't dream of at home.

Why are we denying that the threshold for fsuw is a lot higher?


Just so you know, when i came on here,after she did agree to meet up with me again, but she was very angry.

The divorce rates in Russia is around 51%.  Ukraine is around 42%.  Those are not rates that suggest there are higher thresholds for unacceptable behavior.


It sounds like you are talking from a purely financial point of view.  Is that what you're basing your higher threshold on?

[2tallbill]

Love the line... "not only will you know, the whole neighborhood will know". 


HDL

You never have to worry about an FSUW suffering in silence. Or giving you the silent
treatment rather than telling you what's wrong.

You don't have to worry about "I wonder what she is mad about?" you will know.
For me it's refreshing for others they can't handle the bluntness.

[LAman]

Yes i reached her threshold, thankyou for point that out, i don't know many women who will allow a guy to break up with them 5 times within 6 weeks, and still hang around in UK.

Puppy love..... happens when youngins don't know who they are or what they want. That in includes you DK.

Must remember talk is cheap....and chatting is mainly your experiences. Take everything one says with a grain a salt.

[Trenchcoat]

You never have to worry about an FSUW suffering in silence. Or giving you the silent
treatment rather than telling you what's wrong.

You don't have to worry about "I wonder what she is mad about?" you will know.
For me it's refreshing for others they can't handle the bluntness.

True, for me I find the bluntness rather rude like a slap in the face. In the west girls that display this trait would be seen as a problem with social skills, a bit full on.

The girl I met was not too bad but I think that was because she wasn't being straight. A fair few I have messaged online have been quite blunt though that it takes your breath away, like 'she really said that' sort of moment, lol. I'm getting a little more used to it now but it still surprises me, kind of funny in a way. Still perhaps that is why divorce rates are high, strong willed vocal women that speak their mind jarring with the man's wish to dominate and lead.

The silent treatment I always loathed from women as well though I never expected bluntness to be the alternative, lol. Some some  that stew in their angst over you while quietly muttering away I often find so funny though

[Trenchcoat]

Think this topic is important though for most of us in that we o, ften don't think enough about how to secure a continuing relationship  i.e Marriage Issues when starting off. Mainly because without getting into a real relationship with a FSW its so far off.

Yet I've been wondering how best to go about helping to ensure a long lasting marriage?

I mean apart from the basics of trying to settle her in, routine, shared activity, etc.

For Example, is it best to live in an area where there are people from a similar background, i.e East Europeans

OR

Live in an area away from any possible temptation out a bit in the country in an area with an ageing population

- The first option might mean she ends up getting involved with some east European guy, while the second option may bore her to tears (even in a pleasant village type area with a fair few shops and odd few small facilities plus any entertainment possilities at home).

what do you guys think?

[2tallbill]

what do you guys think?

I think that it will get lost here, it's been discussed before but it was a long time ago.
Why don't you start a new thread and ask the question.

[2tallbill]

True, for me I find the bluntness rather rude like a slap in the face. In the west girls that display this trait would be seen as a problem with social skills, a bit full on.

The last American girl friend that I had, called me on the phone to give me the silent
treatment. I still laugh when I think about it. 

[treadmilldude]

Bill, the girl just called you on the phone, and sat there in silence while on the line? Is that what you mean? Sounds like not a very nice girlfriend.

[dragonkid]

Think this topic is important though for most of us in that we o, ften don't think enough about how to secure a continuing relationship  i.e Marriage Issues when starting off. Mainly because without getting into a real relationship with a FSW its so far off.

Yet I've been wondering how best to go about helping to ensure a long lasting marriage?

I mean apart from the basics of trying to settle her in, routine, shared activity, etc.

For Example, is it best to live in an area where there are people from a similar background, i.e East Europeans

OR

Live in an area away from any possible temptation out a bit in the country in an area with an ageing population

- The first option might mean she ends up getting involved with some east European guy, while the second option may bore her to tears (even in a pleasant village type area with a fair few shops and odd few small facilities plus any entertainment possilities at home).

what do you guys think?

I think you are what you said is disgusting but makes sense. People won't admit it, but i talked to a few vets on here, and they keep their opinions to themselves. Rather not spoil the false denial people live in that their marriage is not built on shaky foundations. People want to bash western women, and praise FSUW as saints. Painting an image of FSUW actually eager to date an unattractive man, that last 5minutes in bed, reaching out for their inhaler.

Truth is alot of the stories of marriage breakdowns are not mentioned on here, fortunately some have gave me a piece of what actually goes on. If you think a divorce happens simply because there is a language barrier then lol. Lots of marriages break down after the woman realises she has no need for her man anymore, and for the guys that don't understand. My brother studies statistics, I brought up the topic one day, that russians don't have the money to go abroad, he said it is pretty common, he learnt that people leave once the gdp per capita increases, it is not only dependent on the visa restrictions. A lot of people can't afford to immigrate, hence why some marriages take a while before the woman builds the stability to leave. We only need to look at lonedark, where his wife is probably going back to ukraine to understand this.

 One marriage on here went like that, the woman knew within a few years that the marriage was dead, but got herself sorted and after a few more years left. You have the right mindset, you atleast are aware of what is going on. I am going down the expat route, i can handle a woman in a way, i can keep her entertained, they are willing to have my kids,and live with me in russia. i even told a few i had reservations on marriage, yet they still pursued, not only my ex that wanted me to live with them in russia. I looked at my ex's russiancupid account, and i instantly knew why she picked me, and didn't even bother opening mail from other guys, some women are just not desperate. 

If you want a FSUW to stick to you, it is really simple, treat her well AND remove all possible ways she can escape. Trap her, make her a stay at home wife, few kids, with no prospect of leaving,she doesn't get an education, or work experience . I find it really repulsive, but if that is what you want to do, that is how you will need to do it. Just saying this makes my stomach churn, how fake some of these marriages are. You see a pretty face, where the guy looks like he punched above his weight big time, yet you don't know what happens behind closed doors.

[krimster2]

>If you want a FSUW to stick to you....

I’ve been married to a Ukrainian woman for over 16 years, did exactly the opposite of what you just recommended.  Gave my wife complete freedom to do whatever the hell she wants to do, helped her get a college education (helped her on her homework and thesis!) and helped her to start her own business.  We have 2 children together and have a great loving relationship, I trust her 100% with finances and everything else as well.  She is 15 years younger than me but we have no age related issues.  I’ve seen marriages where one spouse tried to control the other end up in divorce when the one being controlled had their resentment build-up to the breaking point, my wife and I respect each other’s choices and differences, we each have family responsibilities, but we support each other and our children, everything is in harmony, and death will be the only thing that will separate us, make your choices wisely, as Abraham Lincoln once said, “those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves”