Why we stopped dating AW, volume 12

[Turboguy]

I find it interesting that you as a professed AW follow and post on a Russian/FSU discussion forum about seeking, finding, dating/courting, marrying and living with a Russian/FSU Lady.

Tiger Paws, Just so you know, VWRW is a Russian woman not an American one.  That is actually my wife.  She is from Russia and has been here nearly 9 years.  She just happens to think AW get a bit of a raw deal and really aren't quite as bad as some of us portray them.


I do tend to think that some AW look at being attractive as a way to attract a male and once they marry pay less attention to their looks and their weight than they did when they were in hunting mode.  Part of this comes from observing some AW who were married and very overweight and got divorced and lost a lot of weight.  I think Russian or FSU women tend to continue to care about their looks and try to stay attractive and slender or shapely. 

[TigerPaws]

Well educated at a Russian university=oxymoron.



Perhaps it is because she grew up in Russia, lived in Russia until her late twenties, still visits her family in Russia, yet has embraced her new country, that she is interested in this discussion forum.  That is her right, as it is of any other poster here.

I believe you failed to notice (more likely ignored) that she has an American Post Graduate Degree.

You seen to delight in taking something out of context and or inserting your own meaning. Please find where I say that she has not right to post on this thread, my exact word was "interesting".

[Boethius]

I believe you failed to notice (more likely ignored) that she has an American Post Graduate Degree.

Irrelevant to my point.  Plus, a Bachelor's degree is not a post graduate degree.

You seen to delight in taking something out of context and or inserting your own meaning. Please find where I say that she has not right to post on this thread, my exact word was interesting]

I don't "delight" in it.  You were wrong, and I read it as an attempt to shut her up, as you did in the past to MammaD.  vwrw is more Russian than are you, or your wife.

[TigerPaws]

Tiger Paws, Just so you know, VWRW is a Russian woman not an American one.  That is actually my wife.  She is from Russia and has been here nearly 9 years.  She just happens to think AW get a bit of a raw deal and really aren't quite as bad as some of us portray them.


I do tend to think that some AW look at being attractive as a way to attract a male and once they marry pay less attention to their looks and their weight than they did when they were in hunting mode.  Part of this comes from observing some AW who were married and very overweight and got divorced and lost a lot of weight.  I think Russian or FSU women tend to continue to care about their looks and try to stay attractive and slender or shapely.

Thank you Sir, I did not understand the context of her post.

In my humble opinion the vast majority of AW and in fact western women have earned the reputation presented in this forum thread.

I agree with your assessment: "I do tend to think that some AW look at being attractive as a way to attract a male and once they marry pay less attention to their looks and their weight than they did when they were in hunting mode.  Part of this comes from observing some AW who were married and very overweight and got divorced and lost a lot of weight.  I think Russian or FSU women tend to continue to care about their looks and try to stay attractive and slender or shapely."

[Boethius]

It is a fact.  Your wife is not 100% Russian, by your own description.  vrwr is more Russian than my husband, too.  That's a fact.  I'm not insulted by it. 


Yes, yes, that is "liberal" bias at play, LOL. 

[pitbull]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

Spot on, vwrw!!!


As evidenced by this thread, the MOB search unfortunately attracts mainly WM losers thinking that they are entitled to a subservient stepford wife that can be just thrown out without a penny after divorce, just by the virtue of wearing pants.


Personally I always avoided such losers and all normal FSUW that I know did too.

[BC]

I have been married to such a Lady for over 16 years, she came from Russia.

Oh.. do the one's from Russia come with good batteries and USB slot for voice? 

[pitbull]

If ya want a woman who always looks good, won't gain a gram of weight, will look as young as the day you met, will always listen to you, never talk back, never spend a dime of yours, never have a headache and guaranteed to never divorce you....

Check out this agency...  http://tinyurl.com/gw85fkj

+100!

[Larry1]

If ya want a woman who always looks good, won't gain a gram of weight, will look as young as the day you met, will always listen to you, never talk back, never spend a dime of yours, never have a headache and guaranteed to never divorce you....

Check out this agency...  http://tinyurl.com/gw85fkj

I don't read this in any responses to this thread. This is the logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum.

[Turboguy]

I was single for a long time.  My observations from way back when I was single and using some of the American dating sites was that there were some good women but the competition for good women was high and even the ones that had little going for them had lots of interest from men. 


I also noticed that in a lot of cases when you saw a photo of a women who was attractive and lets say in her 50's when you read the description she would nearly always be looking for a guy in his 20's. 


Of course on both sides of the fence people lie and exaggerate.  One of the last ladies I talked to listed her weight as "average".  My interaction with her went only as far as one phone call.  She told me on the phone that she was 5'2 and 185 pounds which she felt was average for a lady in her early 50's.   She also told me not to expect anything since she was saving herself for marriage.  She also let me know she had been married 4 times.  My guess is she also saved herself after marriage. 

[2tallbill]

She just happens to think AW get a bit of a raw deal and really aren't quite as bad as some of us portray them.

Life isn't fair, but it's not dissimilar to how recently divorced women refer to
available men. If you want to hear the best stuff listen to a couple of cougars
talking.

I do tend to think that some AW look at being attractive as a way to attract a male and once they marry pay less attention to their looks and their weight than they did when they were in hunting mode.  Part of this comes from observing some AW who were married and very overweight and got divorced and lost a lot of weight.  I think Russian or FSU women tend to continue to care about their looks and try to stay attractive and slender or shapely.

Western woman get together and group think. They convince themselves that they
aren't fat and that men should be happy with their fat, their dike haircuts and their
comfy clothes. It is what it is.

I went to a wedding with maybe a hundred people there and 90%+ of the women
were over weight. I went to a Russian picnic with my wife. Maybe one woman was
overweight. It's not fair but it's the truth.

[Miquel Westano]

Judging by some responds in this thread,  the answer to the title question is " AW are bad because 1) they do not want to starve themselves to look sexy, 2) refuse to devote their lives to serving men's needs and cleaning, cooking, raising kids and 3) do not agree with getting nothing in the case of divorce although doing the mentioned in #2, they did not work a day in their lives".


I am sure AW are grateful that men with these expectations and attitude took themselves off the US dating market.    On behalf of AW - "Good riddance!!!"

I am glad to see you weigh in on this thread.  You have always been one of the nicest posters on here.  I don't think men really want a woman to starve or to be skinny per se, but I do think most men feel their wives stop putting effort into maintaining their appearance after marriage.  I have with my own eyes seen many women who after a divorce;  lost  a lot of weight, bought new clothes, changed their hair and started to wear more make up.  These women began to date and knew they needed to impress a prospective suitor.  I think most men just can't understand why the woman couldn't put that same effort into their marriage.

Anyway, I certainly don't want to argue with you.  I think like every issue, the facts are somewhere in the middle and the devil is in the details. 

[Larry1]

I was single for a long time.  My observations from way back when I was single and using some of the American dating sites was that there were some good women but the competition for good women was high and even the ones that had little going for them had lots of interest from men. 

This was exactly the impression I came to after dating lots of AW on the dating sites. I could always find some reasonably attractive and not overweight AW over age 35, but they were almost always extraordinarily selective. It was seldom enough that a guy was in good shape, over 6 feet tall, well dressed, social, and earned a comfortable six figure income in a prestigious profession.

I've previously related stories of "dating tests" such women had. I'll be happy to repeat them for those who scoff at this. The point is that these AW knew that they could just go back to the dating sites and pull up a new batch of guys if one didn't meet her entire 457 bullet points.

[Slumba]

Spot on, vwrw!!!


As evidenced by this thread, the MOB search unfortunately attracts mainly WM losers thinking that they are entitled to a subservient stepford wife that can be just thrown out without a penny after divorce, just by the virtue of wearing pants.


Personally I always avoided such losers and all normal FSUW that I know did too.

You are good at insulting people you have never met with ridiculous, over the top generalizations and assertions, and flaming. 

Regular discussion and debate, not so much. 

If you are so smart, why can't you do that?

[pitbull]

I have been married to such a Lady for over 16 years, she came from Russia.

Keep in mind that women are also attracted to fit younger men, and few MOBs find pleasure in going to bed with the old goats  with beer bellies, saggy butts and questionable performance that they happened to marry. Then they come to RW abroad forums and ask advice on how to best hide an affair with a young and hot lover from their old ugly husbands 

[ML]

She also told me not to expect anything since she was saving herself for marriage.  She also let me know she had been married 4 times.  My guess is she also saved herself after marriage.

Good writing Raymond!!

You could sell this to one of the late night talk hosts for their opening comedy segment.

[Turboguy]

Spot on, vwrw!!!

As evidenced by this thread, the MOB search unfortunately attracts mainly WM losers thinking that they are entitled to a subservient stepford wife that can be just thrown out without a penny after divorce, just by the virtue of wearing pants.

I can't disagree with what you said Pitbull.  My main interaction with other guys seeking a wife from the FSU has been in the 4 tours I wasted time and money on but did get to know a number of other guys.   There were some guys who would be great catches but there were a lot who probably had little luck in the American dating scene.  Losers might be a term some would use to describe them but I don't like to look at anyone that way. 


If you flip the coin the other way many of the women I met in the FSU were head and shoulders above the women I had met on American dating sites in terms of looks, personality and intelligence.  When it comes to the one I married I have always felt my wife was the most amazing woman I have ever met.  I have gotten to know some of the Russian ladies she has made friends with here and they too are very nice women whose husbands are lucky.  However when I was dating AW I did meet some who were very nice and some who were reasonably attractive and sometimes ones who were quite pretty.

[pitbull]

You are good at insulting people you have never met with ridiculous, over the top generalizations and assertions, and flaming. 

Regular discussion and debate, not so much. 

If you are so smart, why can't you do that?

I don't give a hoot as to how you categorize me, honey. It is good for the second rate muthas on this forum to hear the truth once in a while 

[Slumba]

Keep in mind that women are also attracted to fit younger men, and few MOBs find pleasure in going to bed with the old goats  with beer bellies, saggy butts and questionable performance that they happened to marry. Then they come to RW abroad forums and ask advice on how to best hide an affair with a young and hot lover from their old ugly husbands 

Not every girl from FSU has the mentality of a whore, which you seem to celebrate.

[mhr7]

That is your brother's fault (if the is the one who cooks).  He should have taught your niece how to cook.

Unfortunately my brother's a pushover and lets her get away with murder.

[Boethius]

Not every girl from FSU has the mentality of a whore, which you seem to celebrate.

She is just posting what is posted at the RW forums.  It is not a celebration.  It is a fact.

[pitbull]

Not every girl from FSU has the mentality of a whore, which you seem to celebrate.

I just state the fact. Young beautiful women do not stay content with the old fat goats. It ends sooner or later. Happened more than once on this very forum, and this is only the stories that went public.

[Slumba]

She is just posting what is posted at the RW forums.  It is not a celebration.  It is a fact.

Then they come to RW abroad forums and ask advice on how to best hide an affair with a young and hot lover from their old ugly husbands 

It's a celebration, otherwise, why the smiley face? 

Don't pee on my leg and tell it's raining, Boethius.

[ML]

. . . wife that can be just thrown out without a penny after divorce, . . .

Has anyone actually advocated throwing out without a penny?

You are supposed to be too intelligent to resort to this.

This sort of comment is as bad as one of the typical responses to the idea that men prefer slender women.

Some will come back with . . . why do you men want emaciated women?

[Boethius]

It's a wink, re the truth.


How can you miss this?  It is very obvious.