Why we stopped dating AW, volume 12

[Boethius]

She won't be passing on her genes; despite the many, many opportunities she had to do so.

But the husband she dumped, has 2 boys - his genes will make it.

She is an evolutionary dead-end.  He is not.

Who cares?  Some people shouldn't be parents.  Isn't it better they forgo that experience if they are not up to the task?

[Boethius]

I don't share your kum-ba-yah view of lesbianism.

Gilbert shows herself as a quintessential example of the kind of women that men should avoid - flighty, emotionally driven, selfish, spiritually stunted, and with an ability to rationalize any behavior she engages in.  Just like a teenaged girl.

And not so different from many of the posts I've read here.  Except for the lesbianism and teenaged girl parts.

[Slumba]

And not so different from many of the posts I've read here.  Except for the lesbianism and teenaged girl parts.

That is very definitely an unwarranted and unprovoked flaming of Muzh.   

[Gator]

That is very definitely an unwarranted and unprovoked flaming of Muzh.   

 

[Patagonie]

It is financially neutral in many states (equal division of assets and debts), but I doubt their divorce rates are lower because of that.

Equal division of assets (and the rest) is NOT neutral, we have already discussed of this a lot of time

I have a relative who married young.  Her husband was an alcoholic.  They had four children.  His work record was sporadic, but he was an only son, and his wealthy parents supported him financially.  He would disappear for months at a time, on a bender, or gambling in Vegas, or womanizing, or really, all three.  She stayed with him because it was her "fate".  She worked like a dog.  The down payment for her house came from her parents.  Her car was paid for by her parents.  She worked to pay the mortgage.  She was once visited by "strongmen" from one of his Vegas benders, who threatened her children if she didn't fork over his $15,000 gambling debt. He was not around.   The cash to clear his debt came from her parents.  A few years after that, one of their children found him in bed with another woman, in the bed he shared with his wife.  It wasn't the first time, but because her child had seen this, that was the end.

She had four dependent children, all teens at the time.  She worked.  He didn't, and had rarely worked during their marriage.  She knew she would get no maintenance for the children.  All she asked for in their division of property was their only asset, their mortgaged home.  Nope.  No way, said the judge. 

She ended up raising her children in that home, paying the mortgage, maintenance, and property taxes herself.  She remarried after her children were grown, her husband moving into "her" home (owned with the ex).  But she was stuck with it, because if it were sold, she would need her ex husband's permission to sell the home, and he definitely would fight her for half. 

Her second husband died.  Then, the ex died.  That was the only reason she was able to finally sell that house.  Her luck was it was held under a deed with right of survivorship (which would have been disastrous had he predeceased her, as her kids would have received nothing).

Please tell her that her life was ruined by the "cancer" of feminism, and how men get screwed over by the courts.

What happened to her is what happen a lot of time to men, but the proportion is 100 for men and 3 for women. So it's time to remove this s.... to allow people to continue their life in the best conditions.

[Muzh]

That is very definitely an unwarranted and unprovoked flaming of Muzh.   

I know you suffer from reading comprehention (as in if it doesn't mesh with your preconcive notions, it doesn't exist) so you should (and Gator too) read it again and see it describes you (and Gator too) to a tee. 

[pitbull]

Two observations from this thread:


1. It is a perfect illustration to the following quote: "When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"
[/size]2. Feminists (myself included, almost 11 years of marriage) here tend to be happily married as well as men that do not have an issue with feminism or with women who have opinions. On the other hand, bitter anti-feminists are divorced and/or permanently single.

[Miquel Westano]

Two observations from this thread:


1. It is a perfect illustration to the following quote: "When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"

No,  I'll tell you what feels like oppression to me.  It is when people think I have privilege and decide the way to make things equal is to steal from me and give my money to people that never did anything for themselves. 

Redistribution of wealth benefits two groups.  The lazy who want something for nothing.  And, those who want the job of redistribution, so they can keep part of the money for themselves. 

Well two wrongs don't make a right, robbing from Peter to pay Paul is still theft, and those given something for nothing will always find a way to turn that something back into nothing. 

So yeah, all this privilege talk feels like oppression to me.  I don't owe anyone a thing.  If you want to fight privilege, give your own money and stuff away and leave mine alone.

[mhr7]

Two observations from this thread:


1. It is a perfect illustration to the following quote: "When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"
[/size]2. Feminists (myself included, almost 11 years of marriage) here tend to be happily married as well as men that do not have an issue with feminism or with women who have opinions. On the other hand, bitter anti-feminists are divorced and/or permanently single.

I actually agree with slumba (and we rarely agree) but I would amend his statement to "3rd wave feminism is cancer". Feminism had its time and place and did some good for women at one point. Now, things are tilting in the opposite direction and men are the people on the losing side. Feminists say they are for equality but we passed equality for women a long time ago. If you truly want equality, start fighting for the boys and men.

[LiveFromUkraine]

No,  I'll tell you what feels like oppression to me.  It is when people think I have privilege and decide the way to make things equal is to steal from me and give my money to people that never did anything for themselves. 

Redistribution of wealth benefits two groups.  The lazy who want something for nothing.  And, those who want the job of redistribution, so they can keep part of the money for themselves. 

Well two wrongs don't make a right, robbing from Peter to pay Paul is still theft, and those given something for nothing will always find a way to turn that something back into nothing. 

So yeah, all this privilege talk feels like oppression to me.  I don't owe anyone a thing.  If you want to fight privilege, give your own money and stuff away and leave mine alone.

Man, you're really worried about your money aren't you?  News flash, the amount of taxes you pay is probably very little compared to the benefits you have received from our society.  All that infrastructure wasn't built on your dime alone.  I don't particularly want to pay to make your life easier but that is what we do as a society.

[2tallbill]

The reason we stopped dating AW (to the extent that we did) and pursued FSUW
are as different and diverse as the membership here. If there is to be a debate
regarding the virtues or perils of feminism then it probably should have it's own
thread.

Women debating on why men do or did things would be as silly as me
explaining the difficulties of carrying a child in the eighth month of pregnancy.
I could certainly explain it to a child but, explaining it to a woman who had
previously experienced this would be sort of ridiculous.

[Miquel Westano]

Man, you're really worried about your money aren't you?  News flash, the amount of taxes you pay is probably very little compared to the benefits you have received from our society.  All that infrastructure wasn't built on your dime alone.  I don't particularly want to pay to make your life easier but that is what we do as a society.

What does infrastructure have to do with redistribution to fight white privilege?  And yes, since I work for my money, I am worried about it a lot.  Especially, since libs want to take it from me, and give it to those who don't work.

And that infrastructure may not have been built on my dime alone.  But, it wasn't built on welfare recipients dimes at all.

[Muzh]

1. SJW-verbiage aside, yes, AW have been treated with kid gloves for decades now - and how have they responded?  With greater acrimony, a miserly approach to love (they meter out their affection), and with less and less development of their feminine qualities.

So men should slap them into the America of yore submission, right.

2. The sample size of feminists is too small, thus meaningless (and BTW there are non-feminist FSUW that have come to this site but been hectored by the feminist ones - they no longer post here). 

The sample is too small, thus meaningless..., in your mind. It's called wishful thinking. And I don't recall any "anti-feminist" here that was run out of town. Better keep your delusions in check.

Look at the unanimity on this thread amongst guys that can't agree on anything else (check the politics thread if you don't believe me): in divorce men are very rarely treated fairly by the courts; and the courts provide no protection whatsoever against a woman that has become, for lack of a better word, "feral".

A probable reason for that is that we just heard the guy's story. Also, the guy was not smart about it. I've seen this so many times it is not funny. And somehow you are advocating that errors in judgement should be allowed just because they are guys. I'm a divorced man and my divorce trial was more than fair bordering in my favor. It didn't help my ex that she was NOT smart about it.

A simple measure of a healthy society is TFR, total fertility rate.  Among the White population of USA, it is well below replacement.  That means the eventual death of a society.  Caused by health issues?  No, by the toxic ideology almost all AW subscribe to.

I stand by my statement: "Feminism is Cancer" .

The NAZIs tried that and didn't work. You are starting to stink all the way to the east coast.

[Muzh]

Man, you're really worried about your money aren't you?  News flash, the amount of taxes you pay is probably very little compared to the benefits you have received from our society.  All that infrastructure wasn't built on your dime alone.  I don't particularly want to pay to make your life easier but that is what we do as a society.

No, he's not just worried about his money. He is from the line of those who abscribe to the "I got mine, fcuk you" mentality.

[LiveFromUkraine]

What does infrastructure have to do with redistribution to fight white privilege?  And yes, since I work for my money, I am worried about it a lot.  Especially, since libs want to take it from me, and give it to those who don't work.

See, I have more faith in your deductive reasoning and think you understood exactly what I was talking about.  You just don't want to admit it.  You, and most people, take more resources from our society than you give.  We are able to do it because we work together. 


I would be happy for you to keep your small amount of taxes that you pay as long as you don't use our infrastructure.

And that infrastructure may not have been built on my dime alone.  But, it wasn't built on welfare recipients dimes at all.

Right, because welfare recipients have never worked a day in their lives and thus never paid any taxes.  You need to get off the farm and join the real world.   My dad was on unemployment/welfare before because of union strikes.  He was one of the hardest workers I have ever known yet you try and broadly paint him as some parasite.


   

[LiveFromUkraine]

No, he's not just worried about his money. He is from the line of those who abscribe to the "I got mine, fcuk you" mentality.

It's fun watching him get upset over his money.  I can't imagine he pays that much in taxes to begin with.   The "libs" are trying to steal his money!   

[mhr7]

So men should slap them into the America of yore submission, right.

Muzh, as women's rights and equality (now more than equality) has increased, their happiness has decreased. Every decade since the 40s  women's happiness has been going down. The further away women step from femininity, the unhappier they've become.

http://observer.com/2016/05/five-ways-feminism-has-made-women-miserable/

Excellent article.

[Patagonie]

1. SJW-verbiage aside, yes, AW have been treated with kid gloves for decades now - and how have they responded?  With greater acrimony, a miserly approach to love (they meter out their affection), and with less and less development of their feminine qualities.

2. The sample size of feminists is too small, thus meaningless (and BTW there are non-feminist FSUW that have come to this site but been hectored by the feminist ones - they no longer post here). 

Look at the unanimity on this thread amongst guys that can't agree on anything else (check the politics thread if you don't believe me): in divorce men are very rarely treated fairly by the courts; and the courts provide no protection whatsoever against a woman that has become, for lack of a better word, "feral".

A simple measure of a healthy society is TFR, total fertility rate.  Among the White population of USA, it is well below replacement.  That means the eventual death of a society.  Caused by health issues?  No, by the toxic ideology almost all AW subscribe to.

I stand by my statement: "Feminism is Cancer" .

The next step is normally a dying society by not renewing enough the population, or in Europe with the number of muslims increasing fastly, the new society could become ruled by the Coran for a large part. Surprise surprise for women's rights.
As we have seen in Canada (Bo, stop me if i am wrong, not in all states? Or in all states?) the government already forces men to halve their assests as soon as they have a children. The next step could be to force them to have a baby, even is they don't want one.
It's purely and simply a totalitarian regime.

[Muzh]

The next step is normally a dying society by not renewing enough the population, or in Europe with the number of muslims increasing fastly, the new society could become ruled by the Coran for a large part. Surprise surprise for women's rights.
As we have seen in Canada (Bo, stop me if i am wrong, not in all states? Or in all states?) the government already forces men to halve their assests as soon as they have a children. The next step could be to force them to have a baby, even is they don't want one.
It's purely and simply a totalitarian regime.

Sorry Pat, wrong.

[pitbull]

So yeah, all this privilege talk feels like oppression to me.  I don't owe anyone a thing.  If you want to fight privilege, give your own money and stuff away and leave mine alone.

Sure thing, as soon as you give up Medicare and buy private health insurance or pay your own money for your healthcare. I do not feel like paying for some old angry white dude's medical care from my own taxes, especially since Medicare is not likely to be in place when I retire.

[Miquel Westano]

You, and most people, take more resources from our society than you give.  We are able to do it because we work together. 

Maybe, but the point is, I do pay.  I have no problem with those you refer to as WORKING together.  I have a problem with those who don't work, but want stuff for free.  And a bigger problem with people who want to tell me I owe someone else something.  Especially for some supposed privilege. 

I just don't get people like you.  If you want to give the supposedly oppressed 100% of your money out of some guilt you feel go ahead.  But why do you feel you have any right to judge what I want to do with my money?  I didn't oppress anyone, don't owe anybody anything, and have never taken a penny from the government in the form of welfare or any kind of aid.  When I lost my job in the eighties, I got off my butt and started a business.  When I needed money to build it, I worked nights.  If I can do it, so can anyone else.

[Patagonie]

Sorry Pat, wrong.

Hi Muzh,
We already had an explanation by Bo, but perhaps may you explain more?
Or perhaps i wrote as soon as they have a children, and should add AND they split with the mother.

[Muzh]

Maybe, but the point is, I do pay.  I have no problem with those you refer to as WORKING together.  I have a problem with those who don't work, but want stuff for free.  And a bigger problem with people who want to tell me I owe someone else something.  Especially for some supposed privilege. 

I just don't get people like you.  If you want to give the supposedly oppressed 100% of your money out of some guilt you feel go ahead.  But why do you feel you have any right to judge what I want to do with my money?  I didn't oppress anyone, don't owe anybody anything, and have never taken a penny from the government in the form of welfare or any kind of aid.  When I lost my job in the eighties, I got off my butt and started a business.  When I needed money to build it, I worked nights.  If I can do it, so can anyone else.

I take it you never went to school. I assume that if you ever fly you will bring your own GPS and tell the pilot where to go. Also, you must have incredible water pressure and a big hose just in case your house catched on fire. Not to mention the you grow your own food, and never drive your car. And the list goes on.


I take it you were a Nixon man.


It never ceases to amaze me the short-sightedness of some people.

[Muzh]

Hi Muzh,
We already had an explanation by Bo, but perhaps may you explain more?
Or perhaps i wrote as soon as they have a children, and should add AND they split with the mother.

Every state decides what is fair and equitable. In my case, I sued for divorce and custody of my children. I ended up with primary custody (meaning I was in charge of their well being) of my kids. Since we bought the house a month before we married, I paid her for half the equity on the house. I didn't pay any alimony and I was a very good guy, I didn't ask for child support. 

[Miquel Westano]

I take it you never went to school. I assume that if you ever fly you will bring your own GPS and tell the pilot where to go. Also, you must have incredible water pressure and a big hose just in case your house catched on fire. Not to mention the you grow your own food, and never drive your car. And the list goes on.

I said welfare or government aid.  And I have paid plenty of property tax.  My problem isn't with taxes and necessary programs that help tax payers.  It is with programs that give something to people who don't work for it.