From a noob

[odba]

I just finished reading the Ebook. Some of it is laugh out loud funny. A lot of interesting info. Some info makes me wonder if I have the patience for this to do it myself.

So, I looked at a few sites. Ignoring the typical ppl sites. Some women I googled with their name, age, location, job etc seem to be on many sites including the sleazy ones. They are also on one of the agencies who seem to get decent press as they aren't ppl but only do tours. not AFA. So, I am wondering whats up with this? Why on a seemingly ok site but also on a bunch of sleazy ones? I am able to afford the tours if I want to but I won't do it with 20 other men. Just learning the ropes and taking it slow. There are no introduction services that are actually any good? (Can I trust a business like diolli.com which I happen to come across via google search?) Like charge me one fee to introduce to a few women, without charging me per letter, phone call, skype call, etc? Not one? If there are, please feel free to tell me. I am about to post my profile on a few of the sites listed in the FAQ threads as well. I am busy as heck at work and am willing to hire someone if there is a reliable introduction service. If it works out, I am willing to take a few weeks off at work and hop on the plane. Thanks.

[Muzh]

Rule #1


If you go looking for a scammer, sleazy, bimbo, gold-digger, etc., you will find it.


Good luck in your endeavors and be smart about it. They are JUST women, not Utopian women.


Which brings me to rule #2


If you have a problem with AW, you'll have a problem with women from the former Soyuz.

[Gator]

I just finished reading the Ebook. Some of it is laugh out loud funny. A lot of interesting info. Some info makes me wonder if I have the patience for this to do it myself.

What exactly is your concern?  Time?  Obstacles?  Fear of scammers?

So, I am wondering whats up with this? Why on a seemingly ok site but also on a bunch of sleazy ones?

The sleazy site either stole the profile or the ok site sold it to them. It happens.  Women can not control where the profile is posted or even in having it removed.  . 

I am able to afford the tours if I want to but I won't do it with 20 other men.

Don't take a group tour.  The good women essentially avoid them.

 

There are no introduction services that are actually any good? (Can I trust a business like diolli.com which I happen to come across via google search?) Like charge me one fee to introduce to a few women, without charging me per letter, phone call, skype call, etc? Not one? If there are, please feel free to tell me.

I don't know diolli.com.  I know of one reputable introduction service.  It is a one-man show run by the RWD member Eduard.  Send him a PM.   His spiel is that he contacts women not with the agencies and weeds a few hundred down to a few that you will meet with him as your wingman.   He is not inexpensive.

I am about to post my profile on a few of the sites listed in the FAQ threads as well.

Few of the women you would want to date will write you.  You need to make the first contact.  If they respond, try to use Skype rather than emails. 

I am busy as heck at work and am willing to hire someone if there is a reliable introduction service. If it works out, I am willing to take a few weeks off at work and hop on the plane. Thanks.

If you have that amount of time, you could do much of this yourself without using an introduction service.  Tell us something about yourself and about your ideal woman. 

[odba]

Time is an issue. Time to correspond with many, whittle the numbers down to a few, arrange times, travel, etc. I get that on this site, the advice is to do it yourself. I am not interested in those tours either. For example I had considered Dream connections tour but it wasn’t for me. I don't want that speed dating stuff. Neither did I see many women on their site I would have an interest in. I am open to paying for matchmaking service if there is one that is reliable and trustworthy. One more thing, I don’t want to end up like Tom in the Ebook. I would shut it down during Day1 in such scenario but don’t want to deal with stuff like that. I accumulated enough PTO that my boss essentially said take at least 3 weeks this year or lose it. So I have time to take off and go there. I will contact Eduard and see what he offers and what his fee is. And yes, Skype is my friend. Will use it to communicate.

UPDATE: I searched for Eduard on this site and there is a thread that mentions he charges 20K? A bit out of my range. 

[BillyB]

Some info makes me wonder if I have the patience for this to do it myself.

You need patience but the rewards are worth it. You can do this yourself or hire someone to hold your hand every step of the way. I prefer to do things myself. Here are recommended sites below for you to consider using.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[Trenchcoat]

I just finished reading the Ebook. Some of it is laugh out loud funny. A lot of interesting info. Some info makes me wonder if I have the patience for this to do it myself.

So, I looked at a few sites. Ignoring the typical ppl sites. Some women I googled with their name, age, location, job etc seem to be on many sites including the sleazy ones. They are also on one of the agencies who seem to get decent press as they aren't ppl but only do tours. not AFA. So, I am wondering whats up with this? Why on a seemingly ok site but also on a bunch of sleazy ones? I am able to afford the tours if I want to but I won't do it with 20 other men. Just learning the ropes and taking it slow. There are no introduction services that are actually any good? (Can I trust a business like diolli.com which I happen to come across via google search?) Like charge me one fee to introduce to a few women, without charging me per letter, phone call, skype call, etc? Not one? If there are, please feel free to tell me. I am about to post my profile on a few of the sites listed in the FAQ threads as well. I am busy as heck at work and am willing to hire someone if there is a reliable introduction service. If it works out, I am willing to take a few weeks off at work and hop on the plane. Thanks.

A reliable introduction service would probably be perfect for most of us looking, but unfortunately so many of them are dodgy that it is difficult to trust any. I get the impression even if a introduction service starts of legit with good intentions most end up dodgy either through necessity to survive or greed as they see easy big bucks, then of course their reputation suffers and they lose out anyway. There's no way of knowing if an agency is being decent with you or not since they create the world in which you venture with them.

I personally think some freelance individual agents may be ok if they are cheap enough as they don't have the upfront office costs and probably doing it on the side to their full time job. That said again there are no guarantees they aren't pulling a fast one as well but if the cost is low enough might be worth a go. Hiring a terp is another possibility apparently, though I might find it a bit weird hiring an interpreter then telling them we are going to walk round randomly and possibly pick up women if I see any I like.

I've done online dating on the various pay monthly & free sites. Its time consuming business and that is just handling an odd few women. If doing it yourself I would set up a separate Email account and keep messages short (most RW seem to post short messages anyway) otherwise it can get out of control quickly & you'll lose women you are in contact with simply as you won't have the time to deal with the correspondence. Paying someone to do it for you sounds like a good idea to me if at a reasonable price, don't know precisely where you would go for this though.

I would say all in all, if you have three weeks then take them all, choose a nice city in the FSU somewhere a bit touristy that will have plenty to do and not seem too alien. Spend all three weeks there, but organise what you are going to do in advance in terms of game plan, use different methods and see hoe they work out, or don't work out.

[BC]

Time is an issue.

I skipped all the searching having met my wife while traveling.  Didn't even know about all these MOB websites.  I still ended up spending a good deal of time traveling to date and finally getting married in Russia.  I was 'out of the office' for months.  Yes I can work 'on the road' but it's not that effective.

Much more time was spent after she arrived here, luckily I have an office attached to our home but still a lot of time away from productive work involved.

Expect to be very flexible with your time.. and if self employed take some hits here and there.  Yes some make it fine without much time involved, but I could not imagine doing this with a 9-5++ two week vacation job.  Just my experience FWIW. YMMV

[Trenchcoat]

I skipped all the searching having met my wife while traveling.  Didn't even know about all these MOB websites.  I still ended up spending a good deal of time traveling to date and finally getting married in Russia.  I was 'out of the office' for months.  Yes I can work 'on the road' but it's not that effective.

Much more time was spent after she arrived here, luckily I have an office attached to our home but still a lot of time away from productive work involved.

Expect to be very flexible with your time.. and if self employed take some hits here and there.  Yes some make it fine without much time involved, but I could not imagine doing this with a 9-5++ two week vacation job.  Just my experience FWIW. YMMV

Good advice BC I think going out there like you did is the way to go & immersing myself as far as I need in Russian society - all these dating websites are a load of tosh even the free & pay monthly ones. Finding someone your chemically attracted to & vice versa is far easier when coming into contact with them in person. That and there's only going to be a certain small percentage of women that are chemically attracted to me so trying to find them on a dating site while possible is going to be a real hard find I think, needle in a haystack type search methinks. 

[ML]

find them on a dating site while possible is going to be a real hard find I think, needle in a haystack type search methinks.

Not quite true.

I found 10 or more who were marriage material for me, and they were also willing.

[Faux Pas]

Time is an issue. Time to correspond with many, whittle the numbers down to a few, arrange times, travel, etc. I get that on this site, the advice is to do it yourself. I am not interested in those tours either. For example I had considered Dream connections tour but it wasn’t for me. I don't want that speed dating stuff. Neither did I see many women on their site I would have an interest in. I am open to paying for matchmaking service if there is one that is reliable and trustworthy. One more thing, I don’t want to end up like Tom in the Ebook. I would shut it down during Day1 in such scenario but don’t want to deal with stuff like that. I accumulated enough PTO that my boss essentially said take at least 3 weeks this year or lose it. So I have time to take off and go there. I will contact Eduard and see what he offers and what his fee is. And yes, Skype is my friend. Will use it to communicate.

UPDATE: I searched for Eduard on this site and there is a thread that mentions he charges 20K? A bit out of my range. 

So you have a time and a cash issue? Everybody does. Well except Gator, he has plenty of cash 

Stay away from the tours unless you wish to take a sex tourist approach IMHO. You're going to need some skin in the game and that skin is cash and/or time. Ed is pricey but his clients vouch for him and I believe he has numerous levels of help.

If you're serious there's plenty of help here on this forum to assist you but, you have to do the work or pay the cash or both

[2tallbill]

I will contact Eduard and see what he offers and what his fee is. And yes, Skype is my friend. Will use it to communicate.

UPDATE: I searched for Eduard on this site and there is a thread that mentions he charges 20K? A bit out of my range. 

In my opinion, you can be rich in Time or Money but not neither. You must either
make the time to do all the work yourself, or you can pay somebody else to do that*.

Myself, I spent all the time doing the work myself. I found local translators when I
needed them. Don't forget that you would be lucky to find THE girl on your first trip
but if you just started the time and money commitment. I visited my wife Angel Eyes
4 times within a year then flew her to the USA twice before we got married.  You need
boots on the ground, face to face time with a girl.

Udachi!

Bill

*A side note: I know Ed offers services al la carte as well as the full Monty
in case you wanted to split up some of the work. 

[odba]

May be gator will loan me some cash to afford a 20k matchmaker.  As I said already, I will not do tours. I prefer one on one interaction. If I am lucky enough to find someone (kind of picky after a divorce), I will spend time to see her often visiting her, traveling with her, etc. Right now, I need a reason to make time from my busy schedule. (I need a break, really. I have been itching to go back to Japan & Singapore on a vacation but just can't do it alone) I am in touch with Mila. Perhaps that will work out.

[Gator]

May be gator will loan me some cash to afford a 20k matchmaker. 

Sure!  And I do not charge interest other than claiming my right of jus primae noctis.   

If I am lucky enough to find someone (kind of picky after a divorce), I will spend time to see her often visiting her, traveling with her, etc. Right now, I need a reason to make time from my busy schedule. (I need a break, really. I have been itching to go back to Japan & Singapore on a vacation but just can't do it alone) I am in touch with Mila. Perhaps that will work out.

Travel with a FSUW is good, but first meeting should be in her city.   You can meet her friends, her family, etc. 

I advise you not to mention travel to your dates.  Some women may express false intentions  for a free vacation, expecting you to buy her presents, etc.  In contrast, the sincere women will want to know you better before committing to such a trip. 

It seems you enjoy international travel.  Such a spirit is good for building a life with a FSUW wife.   A trip to Ukraine will be an interesting discovery adventure regardless of the romantic outcome. 

Serious question - please tell us why 1) you have not found your woman among the huge population of AW and 2) you expect Ukraine to be different.     

[Trenchcoat]

Not quite true.

I found 10 or more who were marriage material for me, and they were also willing.

Why how many girls (how much time?) did you message on these sites to get down to these 10 marriage material for you girls?

I'm guessing it was a lot or you are over emphasizing how suitable they were. In any case you told us that in the end you didn't go for any of these ten girls but instead a girl who was an existing contact over there from business trips.

I agree with BC, anyone using these online websites are making themselves the agencies bitches, some more so ppl & marriage agency sites more than others, free & pay monthly sites, but an agencies bitch all the same. Sure the odd few it works for but for many its a weak position making themselves into a bitch of the agency. How is a girl supposed to have any respect for a guy that does that. Better to just go out there for a decent time I think.

[odba]

Sure!  And I do not charge interest other than claiming my right of jus primae noctis.   
Travel with a FSUW is good, but first meeting should be in her city.   You can meet her friends, her family, etc. 

I advise you not to mention travel to your dates.  Some women may express false intentions  for a free vacation, expecting you to buy her presents, etc.  In contrast, the sincere women will want to know you better before committing to such a trip. 

It seems you enjoy international travel.  Such a spirit is good for building a life with a FSUW wife.   A trip to Ukraine will be an interesting discovery adventure regardless of the romantic outcome. 

Serious question - please tell us why 1) you have not found your woman among the huge population of AW and 2) you expect Ukraine to be different.   

I mentioned travel as something to do in future after I meet this elusive woman when I go back to see her a few times. Not right away. I had traveled internationally extensively but never in eastern europe. As for AW, I am kind of disillusioned. I am not attracted to them especially as they get closer to my age and in 40s. Since my divorce, i had been on many a date and I would never consider being attracted to any of them. Whats up with AW letting themselves go like that? perhaps I should move myself to better locale. Why are so many of them bleeding heart libs? They friggin have NPR in their car all the time and think Bill Maher is god. A lot of them have an attitude of entitlement. Then my former neighbor married a lady from Kiev. Hello! He used to tell me all the time how beautiful they are and how family oriented they are. I am like "really, they are very pretty but you can find a witch everywhere." His wife was a sweetheart. I have nothing to lose by trying. It will take time for me to get to know the lady. Not in any hurry to get hitched a month after meeting or something like that. Oh yeah, I can work remotely. In the event I meet this amazing woman, I might even work out of Ukraine for a few months, so that I see her all the time to build a relationship. Hours will suck but what the heck right? I doubt my boss will care as long as I get the job done. 

[Gator]

I mentioned travel as something to do in future after I meet this elusive woman when I go back to see her a few times. Not right away. I had traveled internationally extensively but never in eastern europe. As for AW, I am kind of disillusioned. I am not attracted to them especially as they get closer to my age and in 40s. Since my divorce, i had been on many a date and I would never consider being attracted to any of them. Whats up with AW letting themselves go like that? perhaps I should move myself to better locale. Why are so many of them bleeding heart libs? They friggin have NPR in their car all the time and think Bill Maher is god. A lot of them have an attitude of entitlement. Then my former neighbor married a lady from Kiev. Hello! He used to tell me all the time how beautiful they are and how family oriented they are. I am like "really, they are very pretty but you can find a witch everywhere." His wife was a sweetheart. I have nothing to lose by trying. It will take time for me to get to know the lady. Not in any hurry to get hitched a month after meeting or something like that. Oh yeah, I can work remotely. In the event I meet this amazing woman, I might even work out of Ukraine for a few months, so that I see her all the time to build a relationship. Hours will suck but what the heck right? I doubt my boss will care as long as I get the job done. 

Very reasonable. 

Many a man has said the same about AW.  I did not mind the AW attitude.  For every attractive AW interested in me, I found 25 attractive FSUW wanting to spend time with me.  I followed the Law of Large Numbers.   

Two suggestions:

1.  Some FSUW wives have proven to be "witches"  (your term).    So know your woman, and it appears you have such a plan.   A number of RWD men have spent time living in Ukraine.  Experiences have varied.  They will offer you some advice down the road, yet it would be good to open a dialogue now. 

2.  You need to think long and hard before you travel to decide whether you want to have baby with your young FSU wife, whether you would accept being a father to a FSU woman with a young child, whether you would prefer a FSUW in her early-40s with adult children, or explore all the above with three different women.   That will help Mila screen women. 

[Boethius]

Why are so many of them bleeding heart libs? They friggin have NPR in their car all the time and think Bill Maher is god.

Bill Maher is a libertarian.  Probably not your definition of a liberal.

[Faux Pas]

Bill Maher is a libertarian.  Probably not your definition of a liberal.

Uh no, not even in the Canadian definition 

[odba]

I don't give a *&^% about who he is. I don't like women who let their political beliefs define them as people. 

[Boethius]

Uh no, not even in the Canadian definition 

He defines himself as such.


He believes in no government regulation, not even of food products.  That doesn't sound too "liberal" to me.

[Boethius]

I don't give a *&^% about who he is. I don't like women who let their political beliefs define them as people. 

Aren't you the one doing the defining?

[BillyB]

Then my former neighbor married a lady from Kiev. Hello! He used to tell me all the time how beautiful they are and how family oriented they are. I am like "really, they are very pretty but you can find a witch everywhere." His wife was a sweetheart. I have nothing to lose by trying.

Some people say women are the same everywhere but for those who are used to American women, FSU women are a breath of fresh air. But if you marry the wrong woman, doesn't matter what her nationality is because Hell is Hell. Choose wisely.

[tfcrew]

Bill Maher is a libertarian.  Probably not your definition of a liberal.

After Gary "The Gaff" Johnson has had his say...the Libertarian Party is dead.