Train from Lviv to Chernivtsi?

[JensenHealey907]

Flew directly to Lviv from Warsaw on LOT airlines.

[Hammer2722]

No, the trip back to the airport when I left was another $180

This definitely is not good sorry to say. Your lady was doing you no favors. She probably split the money with the driver.

When I would visit my ex-fiancé in Lviv, we would always take the bus from Lviv to her hometown of Kovel. She was always trying to make sure I did not overspend on anything including anything I bought for her. This is how you will know that your lady cares about you. She treats your money like it was hers......

[Boethius]

Sounds like somebody got the shaft, hope it was properly greased. Jeez, $360???? Wonder what Bo thinks now, 'had ulterior motives in hiring a car'.

I would say you were right from Day 1, and I was wrong.

Jensen, you paid almost 4X the going rate for a car to Chernivtsi.  You overpaid for your apartment too, but that wasn't as high.  I suspect she has either sold the laptop, intends to sell it, or used it as an excuse not to contact you. 

Now you know why she didn't want an independent translator.

I suggest you post her name here under a thread entitled "scammer" so that others are not taken in.

[JensenHealey907]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

[Boethius]

How do you expect it to go down?  Even if it goes swimmingly, you are pursuing a woman who is untrustworthy.  A liar, a cheat, and a thief.  Would you date an AW with those qualities?

[Hammer2722]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

Not sure how you think this is going to go. This woman used you for her own gain. Cut the strings now and move on. Next time make your own travel arrangements and only bring gifts that you would give to someone that you would present as if you were dating in the states. Flowers for first meeting, etc.....

It sucks to think that you were used but that is the truth here. Many of us on this forum have been through the same thing you have. Some even worse. Don't hold on to something that is not there. You'll only get hurt even more.

[alex330]

Jensen, you paid almost 4X the going rate for a car to Chernivtsi.

A local lady will never pay posted prices in any case from what I experienced. She will haggle with independent drivers and get a lower than advertised price so you can save money.

[Boethius]

Depends on the lady.   My SIL, for example, has never haggled.  If something is too expensive, she just won't buy it.  It just isn't in her nature to haggle, and she's uncomfortable doing so.  But, she would know that $360 is far higher than the going rate and wouldn't pay it or suggest anyone else do so.

[Gator]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

I thought $180 was high but okay for two trips.  Now I understand the cost was $360, and your dyev insisted on keeping the driver even though his interpretation skills were weak.   

Other questions.  Your report suggests the driver worked for you while you were spending time in town.  What were the rates for this service? 

What are your plans for future visits?

Did you meet her friends and family?  Maybe you said something already and I overlooked it.   




If she were indeed dishonest, I assert she will never change and you will always be questioning her in your mind.  You definitely need to resolve this soon. 

To advance this, I suggest you ask her directly about the car hire and interpreter.  BTW, how old is she? If very young, she simply may not have known better.  However, the cracked computer adds fuel to the scam argument.

The disappointment and wasted time hurt more than the little money you wasted.  However, you caught it early.   Pat yourself on the back for that. 

[BillyB]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

Why be disappointed and sad? Most men don't end up married after visiting the women over there so you'll be in the majority. You visited her and you got your answer about the person she is.  Even if she didn't pocket any of that taxi money or sold the computer, what is clear is she doesn't care about you. A good woman would protect your money from being wasted. The natives over there don't pay near the amount you paid for taxi service. Now I understand better why you're looking to travel by train. I thought you just wanted to save a few bucks which isn't a big deal but it's to save hundreds.

If by chance you realized you failed to read her correctly, you need to make some adjustments on how you evaluate people so you don't get involved with the wrong people again.

If I were in your shoes, visited a woman and there were too many red flags, I'd be communicating with tons of women overseas and dating women at home right now. Don't feel guilty if you tell her you decided to move in a different direction in your life. You don't need to accuse her of anything, but say goodbye like a gentleman.
.

The disappointment and wasted time hurt more than the little money you wasted.  However, you caught it early.   Pat yourself on the back for that. 

The people of RWD needs some pats on the back too! We've saved many guys from disaster by pointing out the red flags of the ladies they just met. Special thanks to pokerintherear for digging deep by asking how much was paid for the taxi.

[BillyB]

A couple of websites with taxi fare from Lviv to Chernivtsi and cost per kilometer. If these sites are accurate, then our OP overpaid by almost double the normal rate.

http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Lviv/Chernivtsi

http://www.numbeo.com/taxi-fare/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine

[2tallbill]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

I doubt that she is a scammer. Sincerity and interest are the questions that you need
to determine in my opinion.

Udachi!

Bill

[Trenchcoat]

Well, I think I will be patient a little longer to see what direction this goes (scammer or not). If it does go down as you all are expecting then I will be disappointed and sad.

I know how you feel Healey, I was hopeful the first time just like you and there is a feeling of sadness and disappointment when it does not work out. It was not an altogether bad experience, I actually enjoyed my time with her there and to be honest it was kind of a shame as it just seemed so close yet just fell short of the necessary affection. I think many guys get on well with a girl on skype think 'this is it' go over there and find its not quite there. Its not easy on the psyche but you need to put it down as valuable experience, reassess and work out a better strategy for next time.

So I think BillyB is essentially right, basically devise a strategy whereby you safeguard yourself from people wishing to exploit you. Going out to a far flung area of the FSU will unlikely aid in this. Take control of the situation and tell the woman what will happen rather than the other way around. Use your interpreter, decision on transport, accommodation, etc. Be aware of the sort of prices to expect to pay - they are much lower than we are used to because of the good currency exchange rates - pay in their money not in dollars. You may not get the bottom local rate but you should aim for not too far from it, always seek to negotiate down if the rate seems high or walk (not literally though), there is always another taxi, apartment to rent. Remember you're not the only one to go through this sort of thing, being in another country isn't easy and most of us have overpaid by this or that a little her or there even if it is just on suntan lotion. Most of us have had women who didn't deliver what we wanted we just have to take it as part and parcel of the FSW scene and learn from the experience and bring that experience to bear for another attempt at it.     

[Bounder]

Sounds like Trench has been busy reading the forums and collecting a lot of good advice.

I understand too what you mean by feeling disappointed, but don't sweat it and just let it go.  You're lucky you have come to the forum so early and received very knowledgeable advice in return.

I only reached out to a knowledgeable forum when I was in the middle of a professional dater situation.  She organized my flat and transport to/from the airport.  Dumb, dumb, dumb!  Live and learn, move on to finding a sincere girl.

2Tall may be right that she's not a scammer, but is she really worth your time if she's willing to steal and lie to you until she decides that you are "serious"?

[2tallbill]

2Tall may be right that she's not a scammer, but is she really worth your time if she's willing to steal and lie to you until she decides that you are "serious"?

I didn't read most of the posts when I wrote that, and after reading more of them I would
1. Dump the girl and cease all communication.
2. Take the weekend off, analyze what went wrong, and how it won't happen next time.
3. Give myself a pep talk
4. Start writing letters

You can compromise on nearly anything but never compromise on character.

That's my opinion for what it's worth.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

How do you expect it to go down?  Even if it goes swimmingly, you are pursuing a woman who is untrustworthy.  A liar, a cheat, and a thief.  Would you date an AW with those qualities?

My guess would be that the woman is seriously hot. I don't know the OP but some men
let hot women walk all over them. One thing that you must have in any and all relationships
is trust. The trust has been irreparably broken.

There are millions and millions of other girls without the ugly character flaws. The sooner he
gets rid of this one, the sooner he can find a good one.   

Udachi!

Bill

[CaptB]

Sorry....I didn't read all of this thread. I like trains in Russia mainly because you can easily find an over-night train to most (short, medium) destinations. For those with limited time an overnight bus or train may be the best way to travel. You are traveling while sleeping.....thus.....no wasted daytime with your lady. Most of my trips were for three weeks at a time. I only took short trips (1-2 hours at most) with friends in cars. You have to sleep......trains and busses let you do that while traveling..............so no wasted "daytime" travel.


Capt B

[Trenchcoat]

Sounds like Trench has been busy reading the forums and collecting a lot of good advice.

I understand too what you mean by feeling disappointed, but don't sweat it and just let it go.  You're lucky you have come to the forum so early and received very knowledgeable advice in return.

I only reached out to a knowledgeable forum when I was in the middle of a professional dater situation.  She organized my flat and transport to/from the airport.  Dumb, dumb, dumb!  Live and learn, move on to finding a sincere girl.

2Tall may be right that she's not a scammer, but is she really worth your time if she's willing to steal and lie to you until she decides that you are "serious"?

Yeah the guys on this forum have helped me out a lot. The FSU dating scene is not easy for a new starter and dubious women will take advantage of that. However I've found that while the forum helps in uncertain situations and we'll known scammer situations, experience in the field is invaluable. So even you're bad experience will help hone you to the character of the girl you are dealing with and the environment out there. A lot of guys forget that even what we regard as little money here is a lot out there and getting their hands on some of it is very attractive to them. That said I think many a girl is prone to not being considerate to guys that there is no chemistry with. The one sure fire way of a girl treating you well is to find one you have chemistry with in the first place I think before making arrangements to spend a lot of time together.

[BillyB]

I've found that while the forum helps in uncertain situations and we'll known scammer situations, experience in the field is invaluable.

Avoiding scammers, gold diggers and GCG's is not that difficult. Those girls are easy to read. Just us men tend to lie to ourselves about the person we just met because we got pussy on the mind. Sincere women are easy to identify too. So with that other stuff out of the way, the only task we should have is luring those sincere women to be our wives.

[2tallbill]

The one sure fire way of a girl treating you well is to find one you have chemistry with in the first place I think before making arrangements to spend a lot of time together.

There is no sure fire strategies or guaranteed methods etc. Having mutual chemistry is very,
very important. You need that before you can take the next step. I had mutual chemistry a
number of times in my journey_1,2and in the end it didn't work out.

It's difficult to determine mutual chemistry from afar. There are those who like to sort the
ladies first and then go meet the best prospect and hope there is chemistry, that's the visit
one guys. There are those who want to meet first then sort them out. Those are the meet
many guys.

Which ever guy you are or strategy you use, you need to be able to make a decision. You
need to be able to NOT project qualities on a girl that she doesn't possess. You need to be
able to dump a smoking hot devushka who has character issues or else this journey is not
for you.

Udachi!

Bill

1. Romance in Lugansk reply #380  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.375
2. Trippin in Dnepropetrovks reply #386 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.375

[Trenchcoat]

There is no sure fire strategies or guaranteed methods etc. Having mutual chemistry is very,
very important. You need that before you can take the next step. I had mutual chemistry a
number of times in my journey_1,2and in the end it didn't work out.

It's difficult to determine mutual chemistry from afar. There are those who like to sort the
ladies first and then go meet the best prospect and hope there is chemistry, that's the visit
one guys. There are those who want to meet first then sort them out. Those are the meet
many guys.

Which ever guy you are or strategy you use, you need to be able to make a decision. You
need to be able to NOT project qualities on a girl that she doesn't possess. You need to be
able to dump a smoking hot devushka who has character issues or else this journey is not
for you.

Udachi!

Bill

1. Romance in Lugansk reply #380  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.375
2. Trippin in Dnepropetrovks reply #386 http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.375

Interesting thought that if there's chemistry it might still not work out 2tallbill, I think you're right in chemistry being the all important ingredient. Difficult for me to say as I wasn't there, but in you're examples given in the footnotes (same link given twice) from what I read into it I wonder if in a lot of cases there was a liking/fondness from either or both sides but perhaps not full on chemistry. I'm just not sure that girls would be asking for money if there was chemistry, only possibility I think if she was already married or had a starving infant at home. One of the things I'm going to have to guard against when starting up this search again in the next few days or so is to try and guard against believing there is chemistry with a girl I get on with (or similar) just because I want to be in a relationship with a girl - which is natural that this happens to most of us in life I think. I will just have to hope this does not happen if I can avoid it.

I think many a girl where there is real chemistry will be as eager as you to do their best to make it work - just my thought on this. The girl who had the funny turn and angered her ex-husband story doesn't really shout to me that she was making an effort to make it work. If she was from a ppl agency then she might have just got bored of writing to the anonymous, found you interesting and actually thought she would like to meet you, a rarity I guess. She probably had some affection for you as she didn't try to rip you off. So I guess what I'm thinking is although cases can no doubt happen where there is mutual chemistry and it still doesn't work out, where there is often it would tend to I would have thought. Not that I find mutual chemistry real often, just here and there in everyday life.