Europe in the News

[msmob]

Meh, this is what happens when you openly invite foxes into the hen house.  Hard to feel sorry for a country full of mobys that care nothing for the victims and make excuses for the attackers.

Anteros/Cornfed - Your 'sympathy' and advice is not sought or needed..

Of course the MSM isn't saying anything about the attacker but I'm sure it's a white, red haired, Amish person, as is the norm.  Oh wait...

Yup, the Daily Mail -  your favourite UK scandal rag- has already told us it was a 'goatie bearded asian / black man' and posted pictures of folks 'celebrating' ...

Should we have banned Irish people from the UK when they celebrated attempts to blow up John Major's cabinet office meeting ( I was in Dublin the night the IRA 'motor bomb device failed - '"Shame they missed the bastards - present company accepted " ) ?

If the DM's editor had been in charge, then ... I expect we WOULD have been paranoid about white skinned , red haired people .. and ignorant people, like you, would have suggested my family should go back... like after the Birmingham Pub Bombings in Nov '74..

Meanwhile, those with the smarts will realise that attacks like this are designed to polarise and produce the reactions of the likes of you

You are indeed a divisive loonie troll ..

[msmob]

So, one of the ( public ) first victims has been named ...Her first name is Aysha .. is an Arabic name . 'Alive - full of life'.

She was on her way to collect her children from school ..

Edited to add : She was a Spanish citizen   ..of Cypriot -Turkish speaking ethnicity origin  ... 

[jone]

I know that, for myself, and many on the forum, we join with your country in grieving for those who were lost and harmed. 

[msmob]

Thank you, Jone

[Anathema]

Anteros/Cornfed - Your 'sympathy' and advice is not sought or needed..



Yup, the Daily Mail -  your favourite UK scandal rag- has already told us it was a 'goatie bearded asian / black man' and posted pictures of folks 'celebrating' ...

Should we have banned Irish people from the UK when they celebrated attempts to blow up John Major's cabinet office meeting ( I was in Dublin the night the IRA 'motor bomb device failed - '"Shame they missed the bastards - present company accepted " ) ?

If the DM's editor had been in charge, then ... I expect we WOULD have been paranoid about white skinned , red haired people .. and ignorant people, like you, would have suggested my family should go back... like after the Birmingham Pub Bombings in Nov '74..

Meanwhile, those with the smarts will realise that attacks like this are designed to polarise and produce the reactions of the likes of you

You are indeed a divisive loonie troll ..

My sympathy was certainly not directed toward you or your ilk.

As far as I'm aware, the Irish don't live by an ideology that calls for the death and destruction of Western civilization so your example is complete nonsense, but that's expected from you.

These kinds of attacks are on you and the others that do nothing but flap your gums, make excuses for the terrorist, and on the lives of the dead and wounded.  The only loonie is you and the others like you allowing these kinds of events.  Disgusting people; you're a cancer.

[tfcrew]

YOU used the word jihad, right ?   I assumed you knew it's meaning ?

It means basically......

In classical Islamic law, the term refers to armed struggle against unbelievers,

The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran with and without military connotations

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

The terror group ISIS later claimed the attacker as one of their own, saying he was a "soldier of the caliphate".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parliament-shooting-live-updates-after-10076508

I just said I see nothing holy about it.
 And I still don't.

[msmob]

My sympathy was certainly not directed toward you or your ilk.

My 'ilk' hat does THAT mean ?

As far as I'm aware, the Irish don't live by an ideology that calls for the death and destruction of Western civilization so your example is complete nonsense, but that's expected from you.

There was a time - you may have been sleeping for a decade or two - when Irish terrorist sought to change the status of Northern Ireland's membership of the UK by a campaign of bombing,- maiming and killing  .. This resulted in pretty strong anti-Irish sentiment and I was stood in a queue at a motorway service area when an Englishman in front of us wanted to kill the first Irish person he could lay his hands on when Lord Mountbatten was killed on his boat, in Eire - I was 20 years old and reached out to tap him on the shoulder to offer him the opportunity and point out that most Irish didn't support the act ...

My father stopped me grabbing my arm and a look that said ... 'not now, son'..

I suspect many followers of Islam will be in the same boat, now and you are that ignorant guy in the queue.

These kinds of attacks are on you and the others that do nothing but flap your gums, make excuses for the terrorist, and on the lives of the dead and wounded.  The only loonie is you and the others like you allowing these kinds of events.  Disgusting people; you're a cancer.

Anteros / Cornfed

I make no excuses for such acts ...  I am just smarter than you and realise that these acts are designed to get us hating each other - when the FACT is most of us just want to go about our daily lives and WILL continue to do so ..

The twat had a violent criminal past and spent several terms in prison. He probably had few friends and a family that had disowned him and found new 'friends' that suggested he could make his life 'mean something ' ...

What is important is that we unite in making sure that any misguided souls thinking of doing the same knows 'respect' will be the last thing on our minds..

[msmob]

It means basically......

What it has come to mean is 'Holy War' - an excuse for the violent actions of some

You  didn't know this and have learnt something, now ... No need to apologise / thank us..


BUT ..I am glad you looked it up and posted the Daily Mirror 'definition' - as it led me to ask the question - was I right ?

Perhaps I owe YOU a thank you / apology ..?  I would appear to be as guilty of the misuse of the term as the perps who use it as the 'excuse' ..

"What Is This Thing Called Jihad or Islamic Holy War?

The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups or so called Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight in the name of Islam. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-hassan-a-amin/what-is-jihad_b_8535930.html












 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parliament-shooting-live-updates-after-10076508

I just said I see nothing holy about it.
 And I still don't.
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[Boethius]

As we wait for our teen to get up, the better half and I were having a discussion on the fate of religion in the West, after I had read a column on the issue by Conrad Black.  The better half told me of the works of a Soviet journalist, Farid Seiful-Mulyukov. Seiful-Mulyukov was an expert on Islam. When the Americans started arming the mujahideen, Seiful-Mulyukov wrote a series of articles, stating this policy would wake the sleeping Muslim world, with far reaching consequences. He predicted all the instability that has occurred, including the mass immigration to the EU as a result of war. It was a chain. The reasons were partly due to the obscurity in the Muslim world in Seiful-Mulyulov's view. The end result, without reaction by those countries where massive Muslim immigration occurred, would be those societies eventually being subsumed by Islam.

It is important to note, he was referring to uneducated masses, not controlled immigration by Islam's educated elite. Nevertheless, a fascinating analysis.

Seiful-Mulyulov was also responsible for Soviet, and current Russian policy toward Iran. He viewed Sh'ia Islam as more radical than other branches, which is why the Soviets built a relationship with Iran and, to a lesser extent, Syria.

 

[msmob]

At the mo, the Sunni's seem to have more extreme factions - surely ..Daesh ? ( 'IS')

[Boethius]

There is no state sponsored terrorism by Sunnis, AFAIK. Sure, members of the Saudi royal family support extremists, but it's not state policy.

[Gator]

When the Americans started arming the mujahideen, Seiful-Mulyukov wrote a series of articles, stating this policy would wake the sleeping Muslim world, with far reaching consequences. He predicted all the instability that has occurred, including the mass immigration to the EU as a result of war.

 

Good prediction.  It is not widely discussed, so who knows if it is true, yet it is believed Russia is currently arming the Taliban.  What goes around comes around. 

Seiful-Mulyulov was also responsible for Soviet, and current Russian policy toward Iran. He viewed Sh'ia Islam as mor radical than other branches, which is why the Soviets built a relationship with Iran and, to a lesser extent, Syria.

Why choose the more radical  of two choices?   The radical would be more willing to destabilize the region (my theory regarding Russia's long term goals).

[Boethius]

Because as an ally, the radical state won't turn on you. That has been true of Iran vis a vis the USSR and now, Russia.

[Boethius]

Good prediction.  It is not widely discussed, so who knows if it is true, yet it is believed Russia is currently arming the Taliban.  What goes around comes around. 

He worked for the Institute of the Middle East, which analyzed social and political policies/society. He was a real expert on Islam and all the societies of the region and beyond. He was also the first Soviet to publicly state the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan would be a disaster. That was within weeks of the invasion.

[GQBlues]

Swedes are not afraid.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/dead-arrested-stockholm-terrorist-attack-swedish-prime-minister/story?id=46649252

[Nightwish]

Yepp, now it was our turn.. I have just waited for it to happen

[GQBlues]

My condolences for you folks out there, Nightwish.

How do you feel about all these madness and the recent cultural upshift in Sweden?

[GQBlues]

An Aussie's account of the attack...

~"I turned around and saw a big truck coming towards me. It swerved from side to side. It didn't look out of control, it was trying to hit people," Glen Foran, an Australian tourist in his 40s, told Reuters.

"It hit people, it was terrible. It hit a pram with a kid in it, demolished it," he said.~

Damned!

[tfcrew]

U.S. Woman Stabbed to Death by Migrant Who ‘Recently Arrived’ in France

7 Apr 2017

A 52-year-old woman from the U.S. was taking photographs in an eastern suburb of Paris when a person police say “arrived recently in France” stabbed her several times from behind.

According to Le Parisien, the woman collapsed immediately when a homeless man stabbed her in the back several times and sliced her carotid artery at just before 4 pm on Thursday. Emergency services arrived quickly on the scene but were unable to resuscitate the victim.
“I heard a woman’s cry, then saw an older man leave the Rue Marcel-Dufriche with a big knife in his hand,” said the manager of a store located close to the crime scene.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/07/u-s-woman-stabbed-death-migrant-france/

[msmob]

It is noted that Tfcrew is a 'victim' of Breitbart ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/breitbart-headlines_us_5829ba13e4b060adb56f1bdb

British tourists get murdered in Florida, but does it stop tourism there ... ?

[tfcrew]

British tourists get murdered in Florida, but does it stop tourism there?

No.. you are welcome to visit anytime

[msmob]

No.. you are welcome to visit anytime

'Nice deflection attempt ..   the point being ..  there is not a publication that I am aware of that tries to suggest Florida is a inherently 'dangerous' place to go for Brits...

HINT: the murder rate in one country of Florida probably exceeds that of the Europe combined...

To be clear ... I have visited Florida many times and Paris...   Neither destination worries me, unduly ....

[tfcrew]

  Neither destination worries me ...

Of course. As per your signature 'We are not afraid'.
Curious though...who are 'we'?

[msmob]

'We' is anyone WITH a clue ..

[wallm]

http://tinyurl.com/kfzz6hy

yes, let us bring in lots of refugees into this country too.
FU libs and non-americans who have nothing but crap to say about us.