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[Boethius]

"Real Man" is a term, the only one we are speaking about. But there are different definitions. You describe one aspect of a term that has evolved. Evolved. But until I can speak fluent Russian and become culturally Russian, you are right. There's no beating a cop-out argument like that. I guess you'll always be right (in my experience, this seems to be the definition of Boethius). Noted, the jest. I miss your humour when written. And yes, while feminazi is often used in jest or irony, there is a very sad reality behind it in North America, one that turns people against feminism as a repugnancy. And that's sad.

When feminists start calling for the extermination of people, or basing feminist ideology on the purity of a particular group of people, the term is nonsensical.

I don't demand people think like me, in fact, I prefer people who have differing views.  I am expressing my opinion.  You are free to think otherwise and present a cogent argument.  IMHO, you haven't.

[msmob]

See this is part of the increasing idiocy of the EU

TC, not need to prove that it was the majority of less well-educated folk in the UK voted to leave and haven't the first clue as to the workings of the EU.. ((


This was an  EU Parliament vote. You may have voted for your MEP ?

The EU is just not working for its citizens the way it should do.

Sure, blue flag beaches, recycling of refuse targets, lower EU wide mobile roaming, compensation for late flights... and SO much more..

It wasn't too bad 15-20 years or so ago but its just being ran poorly and is a real getting to be a real hindrance to the UK.

How?


Go on tell us..I'll bet you will quote something that isn't factual ..In the meantime the GBP has fallen and the very continued status of the UK is now at risk

God save me from suicidal, lemmings

The US I have always felt has had a bit of a non-recipricol attitude to it as in they seem to expect terms what they are not always willing to give in return, but it often is not worthwhile getting into a spat over, at least not this way. Fortunately we will soon no longer be termed as West Europeans and hence hopefully avoid the VISA situation we have unfolding here. In fact it may be to our benefit in increasing trade and tourism with the US   So we could actually benefit from invoking article 50 just at the right time.

Ah, so the US will increase trade with us FIVE fold to make up for loss of trade with the EU - at the very time the US President has gone all protectionist ? )


FACT: this is a non binding vote .. NOTHING will happen for at least two months and HOPEFULLY, the USA will fall in line with Japan, Australia, Canada ..  and treat all EU states as one.

[Trenchcoat]

Sure, blue flag beaches, recycling of refuse targets, lower EU wide mobile roaming, compensation for late flights... and SO much more..











How?


Go on tell us..I'll bet you will quote something that isn't factual ..In the meantime the GBP has fallen and the very continued status of the UK is now at risk..God save me from suicidal clueless lemmings








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Ah, so the US will increase trade with us FIVE fold to make up for loss of trade with the EU - at the very time the US President has gone all protectionist ? )


FACT: this is a non binding vote .. NOTHING will happen for at least two months and HOPEFULLY, the USA will fall in line with Japan, Australia, Canada ..  and treat all EU states as one.

The value of the Pound is low because of uncertainty, this need not always be the case. Once Article 50 is announced and negotiations are in full swing and particularly after Brexit this may all change. At the moment the foreseers of economic doom in the Remain camp that said are economy would crash immediately following a Leave vote have been proved wrong. Only if the UK economy crashed during negotiations or post Brexit would the currency remain as low as it is now. Once the uncertainy is out the way post Brexit the very real likelihood is that the Pound will rise again. Of course having the pound a little weaker can be good for our economy - exports, etc. However, it is not great for us since it buys less when we go to the FSU. Though of course the currency in Ukraine is so weak at the moment to not notice a lot of difference.

I think personally that the UK will be stronger economically long term as a result of leaving the EU. We won't be tied as much to the economic disasters that emanate from the EU, i.e Greece, Italy, etc and the political ineptness. The EU has had poor economic performance since its creation. I for one was quite in favour of it back in the day but over the last decade it has proven to be bad company to be involved with. I not sure we'll be alone, France and the Netherlands look like possible candidates to join us and hence provide some very real trading partners on our doorstep.

I believe we should wait and see what the result is of us leaving and give Brexit a chance, if things don't pan out then the UK could join the EEA or whatever, but I think we should give some decent time to establish the effects of Brexit rather than guess, panic and join the EEA or similar without see how we do on our own first off. 

[Trenchcoat]

You can breathe free for many years while i work to gain linguistic and cultural fluency. And in the mean time i have no cogent argument to make.  In th meantime, I'll continue living in Moscow and make nonsensical observations of no particular relevance or cogency. You can continue soeaking on high from Edmonton about Soviet history and I'm sure it will be interesting from time to time.

But clearly I will never be able to hold a candle to you. You can relax about that.

You know the Google Translate App on mobile phone now does voice to voice translation Bounder, i.e you speak in English after tapping the mic icon and it comes out with Russia (or Ukrainian if needed). It also translated written street signs and the like by tapping on the camera icon inside Google Translate and passing it over the sign/written Russian word it converts it it English, both spooky and amazing on both counts I guess you could work on linguistic flency yourself if your going to be there a long time but myself I'm calling an end to my linguistic attempts at Russian, Google translate is good enough for me and brings further support to the point ML makes of generating income of being of greater importance. You'll probably do ok with the English Language teaching for the mean time but at the rate technology is now progressing you might find numbers drop off in the years to come. Not wishing to depress you here, I think your plan is sound enough for a  while at least but thought you ought to know if you don't already, i.e learning languages is likely to become obsolete.

[msmob]

The value of the Pound is low because of uncertainty, this need not always be the case.

Whilst there may be an element of that .. the actual reason is the unknowing jump off the cliff - no trade agreements and promises that the govt. will not be able to keep re jobs - when the tariffs with the EU  kick in ..   Get back to me in 2021 and tell us about the just sold European GM operation ...Soon there'll be no more Vauxhalls ( Opel's really ) built in the UK.. LOADS of city of London jobs will go to Ireland!

Once Article 50 is announced and negotiations are in full swing and particularly after Brexit this may all change. At the moment the foreseers of economic doom in the Remain camp that said are economy would crash immediately following a Leave vote have been proved wrong.

No, 'we' have not .. Within weeks the UK govt announced a black hole in the books of UK PLC - which made the (LIE) about saving 350 GBP  million / week look like a joke...

Retail sales are slowing and usage of credit boomed  - BAD signs ..  UK PLC is hardly taking advantage of a weaker Pound re 'exports', either ... 

All of this makes me wonder how selective your reading / news sources are ...

Only if the UK economy crashed during negotiations or post Brexit would the currency remain as low as it is now. Once the uncertainy is out the way post Brexit the very real likelihood is that the Pound will rise again. Of course having the pound a little weaker can be good for our economy - exports, etc. However, it is not great for us since it buys less when we go to the FSU. Though of course the currency in Ukraine is so weak at the moment to not notice a lot of difference.

The GBP started bombing when it looked like a Brexit vote was possible - do check the historical graphs and apart from the UA or Turkish currencies - the GBP is serious flagging

You surely can't be buying stuff in the shops and noticing the prices rising - as imported food / clothes / fuel must be paid for in Euro / Dollars ?

I think personally that the UK will be stronger economically long term as a result of leaving the EU. We won't be tied as much to the economic disasters that emanate from the EU, i.e Greece, Italy, etc and the political ineptness. The EU has had poor economic performance since its creation. I for one was quite in favour of it back in the day but over the last decade it has proven to be bad company to be involved with. I not sure we'll be alone, France and the Netherlands look like possible candidates to join us and hence provide some very real trading partners on our doorstep.

For sure, the racist policies of populist 'political' parties are winning the hearts and minds of clueless idiots who will be moaning when the hospitals, nursing homes, farms, etc., can't get workers when the lazy Brits won't do work that smarter E.Europeans willing did, better. 

The EU isn't perfect - but my kids will have to endure the protectionist, ignorance that their Great Grandparents fought so hard to overcome in WWII. 

I believe we should wait and see what the result is of us leaving and give Brexit a chance, if things don't pan out then the UK could join the EEA or whatever, but I think we should give some decent time to establish the effects of Brexit rather than guess, panic and join the EEA or similar without see how we do on our own first off.

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Do you know that EEA members ( e.g. Norway ) must obey freedom of movement and many other EU regulations to join - but have no say in shaping the rules ? 

I'm sorry - but you just keep proving you don't have a clue (

I'm SO glad I can give my family the chance to remain in the UK and use their Irish passports to retain right of residence in the UK and freedom to live / work where they wish in Europe .


What makes me angry - having voted 'suicide' - that arrogant brextremists think they can dictate a 'hard brexit' ...

[Trenchcoat]

Moby, it was clear what both Leave and Remain entailed during the Referendum campaign, for goodness sake it went on for over a month for crying out loud. People were bored of it by the end, I was bored of it and just wanted to get the vote done.

It was clear people voted to leave were well aware that this would entail ending freedom of movement between UK and Europe, many perhaps most it is probably fair to say voted because they wanted this. Sure a lot may have been of low education (presumably they had been school, lol) but that was because many were bearing the brunt of the large surge in immigration, i.e housing and employment problems.

This rubbish about hard and soft Brexit came along post referendum. Hard Brexit being a complete departure from the EU including freedom of movement, Soft Brexit trying to sign up to most of what we have in the EU allowing freedom of movement - so joining the EEA or similar. I am not saying we should join the EEA, this should only be contemplated if economic disaster loomed as a result of being out of the EU with little sign of improvement on the horizon. To me it would be stupid to immediately sign up to the EEA or anything like without seeing how we fare without such an agreement first. It would undermine the decision to vote for Leave which would be undemocratic.

You need to understand Moby that it is not merely a situation of the UK facing a negative outlook from leaving the EU although many, mostly Remainers seem to automatically view it that way. EU countries could equally be said to be facing a negative outlook to the UK leaving the EU, particularly, France, Germany and Poland. Seeing the EU as an organisation that will just be able to doll out punishment beatings is not the case. Many of its member economies are weak, if they are hit further then making the UK suffer will be the least of their concerns. It could well be that the UK's economy gets stronger as a result, not weaker as the profits of doom predict.

I personally think most of the good work the EU had done in the past has been done, legislation wise, as you mentioned above. We will take most of this with use when we leave and work from there. I think the EU has stagnated in recent years in trying to create a decent society, look at zero hours contract for one, it been years now they have been used and the EU has brought forward nothing to stop there use.

There was a time of course before the EU when we had perfectly good beaches and so forth, sure some things have improved because of the EU but the problems its been bringing in recent years has just been unbearable.

I think part of the opposition in the UK and across the EU is that if the UK comes off better from leaving the EU many other countries will want to follow and it is this that the EU fear so it puts about the bogeyman as much as possible to try and put the UK off a full (hard) Brexit.

I don't see the point of arguing of what has been (Remoaners ) we should push on with full Brexit then evaluate after that. Results will either prove Leave or Remainers wrong or right.

[msmob]

Moby, it was clear what both Leave and Remain entailed during the Referendum campaign, for goodness sake it went on for over a month for crying out loud. People were bored of it by the end, I was bored of it and just wanted to get the vote done.

What what you've written and and what transpired - it is clear that you are included in those who knew they wanted out - based on duff data and aspirations

Nearly EVERYTHING remoaners ( that's me )  pointed out would happen IS happening

It was clear people voted to leave were well aware that this would entail ending freedom of movement between UK and Europe, many perhaps most it is probably fair to say voted because they wanted this. Sure a lot may have been of low education (presumably they had been school, lol) but that was because many were bearing the brunt of the large surge in immigration, i.e housing and employment problems.

Yeah- so THICK, they thought that Poles who have been leaving here for generations would be leaving

Fell about laughing watching members of ethic groups from Asia and Afro-Caribbean groups saying 'enough' ? I have seen anti Irish, Black, Asian sub continent rhetoric in my time and this is the most ignorant, yet

'Problems' with housing ? ..You'll find most landlords PREFER E.Europeans as they know about work ethic. We have had social housing issues for a long time - made worse by the buy to rent boom - which WILL end in tears

'Employment' ? - despite 'all these foreigners' - UK unemployment is low and - again - employers prefer E.Europeans over fat, lazy, thick Brits with a mis-placed 'entitlement issues'

This rubbish about hard and soft Brexit came along post referendum.

'Rubbish '?

You don't need to keep on proving how daft you are...

Whilst the UK voted to leave - We cannot rely on an un-elected leader - who sat on the fence - and ended up leader - and her new cabinet - to dictate the terms of our leaving.

Hard Brexit means throwing out the baby with the bath water - I prefer negotiated exit - to 'soft' .. May's stance is take it or leave it - and I have first hand experience of the uncertainty EU nationals living IN the UK and friends from the UK - settled in third EU nations are suffering - while May plays 'tough' .. making promised to car companies and e-pats she knows she cannot keep.- or it will COST UK tax payers - FAR more than staying to retain a toll-free access to our biggest market - by far.



What you have written below is TOSH..

You need to understand Moby that it is not merely a situation of the UK facing a negative outlook from leaving the EU although many, mostly Remainers seem to automatically view it that way. EU countries could equally be said to be facing a negative outlook to the UK leaving the EU, particularly, France, Germany and Poland. Seeing the EU as an organisation that will just be able to doll out punishment beatings is not the case. Many of its member economies are weak, if they are hit further then making the UK suffer will be the least of their concerns. It could well be that the UK's economy gets stronger as a result, not weaker as the profits of doom predict.

It's already weaker and if the UK does get a 'punishment beating' - it will be as much down to brextremists as EU mandarins trying to discourage other nations seeking an exit.

I personally think most of the good work the EU had done in the past has been done, legislation wise, as you mentioned above. We will take most of this with use when we leave and work from there.

Will we ? 

So, EU nations will agree that UK telcos can continue to get the same rates for mobile calls as decreed by EU legislation ?

Flights to and from the UK - will continue to be included in EU aviation compensation schemes ?

Workers rights / Employment legislation will remain the same ?

Of COURSE not - there'll be even more red tape for employers and a reduced pool of labour

I think the EU has stagnated in recent years in trying to create a decent society, look at zero hours contract for one, it been years now they have been used and the EU has brought forward nothing to stop there use.

David Cameron had ensured an further opt out as part of a remain compromise - this just proves you - again  - that you simply didn't have all the info at hand when voting ...

There was a time of course before the EU when we had perfectly good beaches and so forth, sure some things have improved because of the EU but the problems its been bringing in recent years has just been unbearable.

TC, Where did you learn history ?    The UK was under pressure from the R o f Ireland and Norway re pollution and it was the EU that brought us into line...

I don't see the point of arguing of what has been (Remoaners ) we should push on with full Brexit then evaluate after that. Results will either prove Leave or Remainers wrong or right.

Therein lies the problem and why we needed parliamentary votes on triggering article 50

[Trenchcoat]

Moby to suggest I or anyone else didn't have the information to hand when voting is just the worst for of ignorance and arrogance imaginable. The government had there chance to give everyone the info the wanted - they used taxpayers money to send out their booklet. The Leave campaign by contrast did not had a lot less in the way of resources to put across their points and we still won. What if every defeated party or presidential candidate used the same argument that the winning candidate or party were ill informed and hence it nullifies the vote, lol. Moby you just have to accept that this time the status quo for once we're unable to dictate to the people what they should do. I for one will be glad when Brexit finally goes through and we can move on from these tired and ridiculous arguments.

[msmob]

Moby to suggest I or anyone else didn't have the information to hand when voting is just the worst for of ignorance and arrogance imaginable.

I'd agree...but you've proved my point ..your ignorance:

Re pollution, labour rights and 'rejoining as an EEA member'.. 

The government had there chance to give everyone the info the wanted - they used taxpayers money to send out their booklet. The Leave campaign by contrast did not had a lot less in the way of resources to put across their points and we still won.

Leave lied about cost savings and about reducing immigration...Since the vote it has rocketed and illegal immigration will rocket post brexit as EU folk will simply overstay.

Controlling folk arriving via Ireland will be 'interesting' to say the least.

Unlike you..I did think through the scenarios in the case of a vote for out and everyone of my predictions has come true...It wasn't rocket science.

What if every defeated party or presidential candidate used the same argument that the winning candidate or party were ill informed



 and hence it nullifies the vote, lol. Moby you just have to accept that this time the status quo for once we're unable to dictate to the people what they should do. I for one will be glad when Brexit finally goes through and we can move on from these tired and ridiculous arguments.

Not relevant in this case..We had a yes no referendum and the people in charge, now, were  not elected and should allow the people or at the very least the people's representatives a say on HOW we leave.

I was glad to read the House of Lords had the biggest turnout in nearly two centuries to defeat the govt's 'plan' for the second time.

Hopefully, May will wake up while there is still time, rather than talking about reducing the power of the the House of Lords. I doubt she will and history will show her n a bad light

Yup, this has b'all to to do with Skype...)

[Trenchcoat]

Yes I'm not sure why you suddenly started of in this one on the Skype thread. Perhaps the moderator can move all these comments to a more appropriate location or a new thread created for it.

Moby, the people's will shouldn't be undermined by political caniving which is what's happening in the Lords. Those like Peter Mandelon, etc are going behind voters backs and trying to subvert their democratic mandate, that can't be right. They think by trting to be crafty people won't notice but they will. Gina Davies was put in to attempt the same but fortunately even though she won her case her attempt will I think/hope ultimately fail. The Lords are largely unelected they don't answer to the people which is why they need to be totally reformed it has now got to that stage. In any case May can wait a year and the Brexit Bill becomes law anyway without the Lords if she must.

Importantly though we have seen what happens in Ukraine over a half and half split down the country in political voting. Are the Leave side wanting the same by not letting go with repeatedly pushing for what it wants despite losing. There thinking only of themselves not the wider cohesiveness of the UK. They need to back down and respect the vote. Thankfully Jeremy Corbyn sees this and there is not only a national vote for Brexit but elected Commons vote for it to. This situation has only exposed the falicy of having unelected representation and the problems it brings such as in the Lords and of course the EU Commission.

[msmob]

Yes I'm not sure why you suddenly started of in this one on the Skype thread. Perhaps the moderator can move all these comments to a more appropriate location or a new thread created for it.

If you are going to chat to one, let alone many FSU lasses.. a good starting point is to remember what you've written to them ..


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=21755.msg458270#msg458270


"See this is part of the increasing idiocy of the EU''   

Moby, the people's will shouldn't be undermined by political caniving which is what's happening in the Lords. Those like Peter Mandelon, etc are going behind voters backs and trying to subvert their democratic mandate, that can't be right. They think by trting to be crafty people won't notice but they will. Gina Davies was put in to attempt the same but fortunately even though she won her case her attempt will I think/hope ultimately fail. The Lords are largely unelected they don't answer to the people which is why they need to be totally reformed it has now got to that stage. In any case May can wait a year and the Brexit Bill becomes law anyway without the Lords if she must.

More TC proving he hasn't got the FIRST clue, what he is talking about ..


The Lords added an amendment asking, ''Parliament to have a meaningful vote on the final deal for Brexit''  - How is that 'undemocratic' ?

A Lords proposal to hold a second referendum was defeated ...

Importantly though we have seen what happens in Ukraine over a half and half split down the country in political voting. Are the Leave side wanting the same by not letting go with repeatedly pushing for what it wants despite losing. There thinking only of themselves not the wider cohesiveness of the UK. They need to back down and respect the vote. Thankfully Jeremy Corbyn sees this and there is not only a national vote for Brexit but elected Commons vote for it to. This situation has only exposed the falicy of having unelected representation and the problems it brings such as in the Lords and of course the EU Commission.

Jeez, your analogies suck as bad as your There and theirs ... ))


Ukraine has voted 'tribal' since independence .. the UK ( Eng  / Wales at least  ) tend to vote on a socio-economic political basis.


Leave lost, we must leave - but HOW we leave should be debated - not for an un-elected leader and cabinet to decide.


Corbyn said his party would respect us leaving ... Let's see what happens when the Lords amendments come back.


On paper the govt have a 30 MP majority - but if Tory MPs abstain ....


AGAIN, you can't seem to grasp that this is not about blocking leaving - it IS about who decides HOW we leave...

[Trenchcoat]

Moby, it's undemocratic as Brexit was given a democratic mandate by the people in the first place. Under our unwritten constitution this should have been all what was needed. Otherwise Parliament could on theory overturn the democratic will of the people. They passed a referendum bill before had that parliament had a vote on and that is really how it should have stayed. In any case the amendment goes beyond just a parliamentary vote on the final outcome which has at any rate been promised. It tries to block us from leaving the EU if no parliamentary vote can be won, even going against the Lisbon treaty that automatically ejects us from the EU after two years regardless of any agreement or not. Therefore needlessly awkward for the EU also. All this rubbish about 'How' we leave is not really about how we leave but another attempt by the Remainers to in affect not really leave by join the EEA or similar. The Leave vote meant we wanted to leave full stop, not leave then sign up to another part of the EU that is very similar to being in the EU. If that's what remains want they should campaign to have a referendum on that in the future after we have had some time out of the EU to see how we fare. It's just remains trying to push the argument back overy a lost vote. If many of those remainers hand on heart took a look at themselves they would realise this is what they are really trying to do.

[GQBlues]

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[msmob]

Moby, it's undemocratic as Brexit was given a democratic mandate by the people in the first place.

I have already spoon-fed you as to it's now about HOW we leave, the terms - that 'we' voted to leave is not at issue - do keep up..

Under our unwritten constitution

'We' do not have a constitution - written or otherwise ..We have Case Law, Parliamentary Acts ....

 this should have been all what was needed.

Nope, hence the likes of the Gina Millars of this world can point out when govts exceed their authority ...

Otherwise Parliament could on theory overturn the democratic will of the people.

STILL making this about not leaving, rather than the current issue - HOW we should leave..  I hope any future Mrs TC and thee don't have such communication issues

They passed a referendum bill before had that parliament had a vote on and that is really how it should have stayed.

Gina Millar and co. proved you legally incorrect ...

In any case the amendment goes beyond just a parliamentary vote on the final outcome which has at any rate been promised. It tries to block us from leaving the EU if no parliamentary vote can be won, even going against the Lisbon treaty that automatically ejects us from the EU after two years regardless of any agreement or not. Therefore needlessly awkward for the EU also. All this rubbish about 'How' we leave is not really about how we leave but another attempt by the Remainers to in affect not really leave by join the EEA or similar.

Repeating bollox re 'joining the EEA' and preventing 'us' from leaving, again ?     You really need to actually READ  my responses to your ramblings  - you'd learn not to post daft ..

The Leave vote meant we wanted to leave full stop, not leave then sign up to another part of the EU that is very similar to being in the EU. If that's what remains want they should campaign to have a referendum on that in the future after we have had some time out of the EU to see how we fare. It's just remains trying to push the argument back overy a lost vote. If many of those remainers hand on heart took a look at themselves they would realise this is what they are really trying to do.

One more time ... 'We' are leaving ... but we could try and keep the good bits - like no trade barriers and protect UK citizens who have exercised their treaty rights by living in third EU states ...  just two examples ..

[Nightwish]

msmob and trench -  maybe you should Skype to settle this -  as the topic is [Using Skype Question]
The Q seems to have very little to do with Brexit

[jone]

 

I thought England had the Magna Carta?

Proceed.

 

[msmob]

TC, A useful article that might help you ..

''Was the EU referendum “advisory”?''
http://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

[Trenchcoat]

msmob and trench -  maybe you should Skype to settle this -  as the topic is [Using Skype Question]
The Q seems to have very little to do with Brexit

You mean we would still have the safety of the monitor screen between us

[Trenchcoat]

TC, A useful article that might help you ..

''Was the EU referendum “advisory”?''
http://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

No-one voting at the time in the election nor beforehand thought it was advisory only, there was a bill that was passed to give it authority even if it did not specifically state it was only advisory. Dave Cameron came out during the campaign and stated on record that if the vote was just one vote over either way the vote would be abided by. I mean why even bother holding a referendum or even voting if it is only advisory and counts for nothing it would be a pointless waste of time and money. It would wind people up unnecessarily, it is the most ludicrous thing I have heard.  YouGov, Mori, etc all do surveys they are what I call advisory. To hold a referendum and then declare it advisory and hence going to be disregarded is just undemocratic, it the politics of Robert Mugabe - is that is what the EU and all their supporters have become? Its like saying the Scottish Referendum is just advisory, tell that to the scots if they had won and their would be outrage. Referendums unless specifically stated are democratic mandates to be respected. Some so-called 'independent charity' on some odd bod blog does not change that.

Moby, being on the losing side is never pleasant but by this time its time to move on, maybe things will change in the future to something more of your liking but for the moment you're just going to have to except things the way they are.

[msmob]

Moby, being on the losing side is never pleasant but by this time its time to move on, maybe things will change in the future to something more of your liking but for the moment you're just going to have to except things the way they are.

Once again, it is noted that you don't actually read stuff 'wot moight 'jucate ya'.. 

We are all on the losing side ... How we leave is now important ...   

[Trenchcoat]

Once again, it is noted that you don't actually read stuff 'wot moight 'jucate ya'.. 

We are all on the losing side ... How we leave is now important ...

Not necessarily, in some respects we may be better off leaving the EU, looking at the report today, 'Special arrangement for some Brits':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39223106

It could well be that the EU may not be able to take away citizenship from British people as it is the country leaving the EU but the EU citizenship had been given to people. Looking this up there is reason to suggest there would be a legal rather than negotiation basis to support this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union#Loss_of_EU_citizenship_due_to_member_state_withdrawal

Many countries have it whereby once a person has the status of citizen (so long as it wasn't by directly fraudulent means) the government does not have the power to take this away, it cannot be taken away, i.e such as in the US. I'm thinking the European Court of Human Justice will come to the same conclusion the US Supreme Court regarding citizenship - that once given it cannot be taken unless the individual chooses to give it up.

The same cannot be said for those that have migrated to the UK from Europe if they are just here under right to reside (residency) but have not gone down the path of obtaining British Citizenship. There right to reside goes once we leave the EU unless a deal is made. That of course means the UK starts in a more favourable negotiating position, its not quid pro quo as we have been led to believe. 

[msmob]

Not necessarily, in some respects we may be better off leaving the EU, looking at the report today, 'Special arrangement for some Brits':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39223106

It could well be that the EU may not be able to take away citizenship from British people as it is the country leaving the EU but the EU citizenship had been given to people. Looking this up there is reason to suggest there would be a legal rather than negotiation basis to support this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union#Loss_of_EU_citizenship_due_to_member_state_withdrawal

Many countries have it whereby once a person has the status of citizen (so long as it wasn't by directly fraudulent means) the government does not have the power to take this away, it cannot be taken away, i.e such as in the US. I'm thinking the European Court of Human Justice will come to the same conclusion the US Supreme Court regarding citizenship - that once given it cannot be taken unless the individual chooses to give it up.

The same cannot be said for those that have migrated to the UK from Europe if they are just here under right to reside (residency) but have not gone down the path of obtaining British Citizenship. There right to reside goes once we leave the EU unless a deal is made. That of course means the UK starts in a more favourable negotiating position, its not quid pro quo as we have been led to believe.

TC, I 'respectfully' suggest you READ up on the rights of EU citizens within the UK - as appertaining to EU Directive 2004/EC/38.

It still applies and even the present govt. would not be daft enough to say to folks who won't qualify via this route to 'clear off'

How do I know ? My step-son and former wife to be fit this category. They have Permanent UK Residency - using the EU Directive to which the UK agreed.

My goodness, where DO you get your 'info' ... ?

[Trenchcoat]

Well Moby the Brexit Bill passed all of a sudden Now just left for Theresa to Press the Button! Yay!!!! 

[tfcrew]

msmob and trench -  maybe you should Skype to settle this -  as the topic is [Using Skype Question]
The Q seems to have very little to do with Brexit

Maybe they should get together for lunch.

Someday everybody will have/use Skype and watch their Fuehrer make a speech.

[wallm]

Next vote could be whether to accept Sharia law to replace the constitution. Progressives, those Poms.