A short story summary of my years of bad experiences

[silversurfer]

This was my public feedback about Dream-Marriage INC FYI:

I never guessed that finding a match in life regardless of where they come from would be this damned bad.
I have chatted with many on this site, written to lots. Had many many prospectives writing to me.
I have found translator scams a-plenty. No woman with "basic" or even intermediate english is able to write with the level of sophistication and literary comprehension that some of these individuals display. I'm not saying foreign born or non-english speakers are dumb rather I am mentioning it because translation programs and people who don't speak the language natively will make grammatical mistakes, improper use of idioms and other tell tale signs.

Some of the women on this site were already dating another man or living with that man while on this site.
The most recent example(s):
Ekaterina Varych, a fitness model and recent feature on a show syndicated in russia called 'Ex on the beach'. I have already publicly exposed them elsewhere. AKA " Varychka " in social Media. BTW Varychka recently married the guy she'd been living with while on these dating sites.

I encountered a man who says he met with her in Ukraine and told me some disturbing things about her. He knew a lot of very detailed information that also matched what I knew of her based on correspondence with this person and phone calls.
The account was not being operated by her, and the address & phone number used for registration was a friend or relative of hers. She may have got a cut of any gifts worth actual money but any other gifts were never received by her, the person who met with her face to face says she has never talked to ANY of the men who write her.
Additional evidence was that she never received my flower deliveries, refused the photo op with the flowers to prove the right recipient actually got them. The delivery service tried to reach her for a week at minimum each time a delivery was ordered.
All of her personal info that has ever been used to register on sites like D-M, Anastasia Date, Russian brides etc is now publicly published in a fraud database. It actually matches what was used with D-M recently.

Another huge example was a member of a known music group Hollywood FM, Alesya Spelova, AKA Olesia Slepova.
DM Promoted the living crap out of this person and their connection to this site. At some point it become evident that the person typing the messages wasn't always Alesya. The person corresponding with me eventually confessed it was an "assistant" helping her sometimes. D-M staff rebutted my concerns about this person and claimed they were thoroughly checked out.
Spelova may have had some legitimate but very limited involvement with this site on some level, this much I can confirm through independent sources but the intent was never to be in relationship. Some of the work she did as a singer was through an organization that hired pop stars for public and private engagements, parties etc. Never responded to direct inquiries through social media. Previously Spelova/Slepova was represented by Mamiya music.
Spelova still produces music, the most recent release I know of still under Moon-UA records is from 2015.

The most recent one to date while not publicized by D-M, is a duo of girls who are known as international DJ's for a booming EDM scene, they go by the name Duo Husky, recently renamed Husky DJanes (they have multiple members now). They are on multiple sites, not just D-M. I can't as of yet prove these two are actively fraudulent but I am pursuing individuals who say they have met them for information. I've already directly contacted the management for them but the manager won't comment on their "personal life or activities".
The star-lets in question have not responded to any attempts of direct contact through social media, I suspect their individual pages are managed by third party as well.
(The persons claiming to be Alina and Irina are still in contact with me right now.)



Over time some women have openly admitted to scamming for money in chat and say the agencies know about it and are paying for it. The ones who came forward say they only did so because the sites stop paying them.
The sites all hide under Multi-national LLC's, most likely owned by other LLC. The true owners of the businesses, their domains and administrators are hidden.
These types operate under the premise that individual agencies are "sub-contractors" and not owned/operated by the principle entity. Therefore can claim it was a bad apple in the bunch and that it in no way implicates the host organization.

The biggest shame of all, is i've had to spend years and shelling out my own cash to find out that these account holders are not who they seem, if this site and other sites were reputable, and did fact check like they say i'd not have to deal with such a shattering series of disappointments.
The ones I list are a short list of a much bigger list. Some of whom i've forgotten, after so many deceptions it's hard to track them all.

If asked for proof of all my correspondence, silly me I didn't copy them but the site miraculously deleted all evidence of them ever existing, accounts letters ETC.
This was nott standard protocol for them! There were emails in my inbox from years ago previously of accounts that were gone. Until recently there was no option to even mass delete mail in the inbox let alone filter the thousands of messages sent.

At the very least D-M owes me a ton of money and a lengthy PUBLIC apology. Knowing I won't ever be compensated for lost time, money, the ability to trust ANYONE or the torment i've endured.. I'll settle for publicly exposing them and other frauds.

• Best tip I can provide, if you insist on using these make sure you meet them in person, don't fall for this pay for chat crap..Don't go there without backup.
  Whoever goes with you or meets you better be trustworthy, somebody you know personally, knows the language and is 100 percent trustworthy.
  If you can't do that, lets be honest most probably can't, your placing your life in the hands of strangers who have absolutely no reason to care at all about your safety or well-being.

Attatched are some photos of persons mentioned here.

[JayH]

  Read links on this site to Anastasia Date,Hot Russian Brides,Russian Love Match,Dream Marriage,Jump4Love  and many more.
Your information is not new -- and for a lot more background info read here.
Contributions come from people  who do know various aspects of the bigger picture story.

The bottom line is that the sites themselves are complicit along with the agencies -that is where the real money is being made.

[jone]

This was my public feedback about Dream-Marriage INC FYI:

I never guessed that finding a match in life regardless of where they come from would be this damned bad.
I have chatted with many on this site, written to lots. Had many many prospectives writing to me.
I have found translator scams a-plenty. No woman with "basic" or even intermediate english is able to write with the level of sophistication and literary comprehension that some of these individuals display. I'm not saying foreign born or non-english speakers are dumb rather I am mentioning it because translation programs and people who don't speak the language natively will make grammatical mistakes, improper use of idioms and other tell tale signs.

Some of the women on this site were already dating another man or living with that man while on this site.
The most recent example(s):
Ekaterina Varych, a fitness model and recent feature on a show syndicated in russia called 'Ex on the beach'. I have already publicly exposed them elsewhere. AKA " Varychka " in social Media. BTW Varychka recently married the guy she'd been living with while on these dating sites.

I encountered a man who says he met with her in Ukraine and told me some disturbing things about her. He knew a lot of very detailed information that also matched what I knew of her based on correspondence with this person and phone calls.
The account was not being operated by her, and the address & phone number used for registration was a friend or relative of hers. She may have got a cut of any gifts worth actual money but any other gifts were never received by her, the person who met with her face to face says she has never talked to ANY of the men who write her.
Additional evidence was that she never received my flower deliveries, refused the photo op with the flowers to prove the right recipient actually got them. The delivery service tried to reach her for a week at minimum each time a delivery was ordered.
All of her personal info that has ever been used to register on sites like D-M, Anastasia Date, Russian brides etc is now publicly published in a fraud database. It actually matches what was used with D-M recently.

Another huge example was a member of a known music group Hollywood FM, Alesya Spelova, AKA Olesia Slepova.
DM Promoted the living crap out of this person and their connection to this site. At some point it become evident that the person typing the messages wasn't always Alesya. The person corresponding with me eventually confessed it was an "assistant" helping her sometimes. D-M staff rebutted my concerns about this person and claimed they were thoroughly checked out.
Spelova may have had some legitimate but very limited involvement with this site on some level, this much I can confirm through independent sources but the intent was never to be in relationship. Some of the work she did as a singer was through an organization that hired pop stars for public and private engagements, parties etc. Never responded to direct inquiries through social media. Previously Spelova/Slepova was represented by Mamiya music.
Spelova still produces music, the most recent release I know of still under Moon-UA records is from 2015.

The most recent one to date while not publicized by D-M, is a duo of girls who are known as international DJ's for a booming EDM scene, they go by the name Duo Husky, recently renamed Husky DJanes (they have multiple members now). They are on multiple sites, not just D-M. I can't as of yet prove these two are actively fraudulent but I am pursuing individuals who say they have met them for information. I've already directly contacted the management for them but the manager won't comment on their "personal life or activities".
The star-lets in question have not responded to any attempts of direct contact through social media, I suspect their individual pages are managed by third party as well.
(The persons claiming to be Alina and Irina are still in contact with me right now.)



Over time some women have openly admitted to scamming for money in chat and say the agencies know about it and are paying for it. The ones who came forward say they only did so because the sites stop paying them.
The sites all hide under Multi-national LLC's, most likely owned by other LLC. The true owners of the businesses, their domains and administrators are hidden.
These types operate under the premise that individual agencies are "sub-contractors" and not owned/operated by the principle entity. Therefore can claim it was a bad apple in the bunch and that it in no way implicates the host organization.

The biggest shame of all, is i've had to spend years and shelling out my own cash to find out that these account holders are not who they seem, if this site and other sites were reputable, and did fact check like they say i'd not have to deal with such a shattering series of disappointments.
The ones I list are a short list of a much bigger list. Some of whom i've forgotten, after so many deceptions it's hard to track them all.

If asked for proof of all my correspondence, silly me I didn't copy them but the site miraculously deleted all evidence of them ever existing, accounts letters ETC.
This was nott standard protocol for them! There were emails in my inbox from years ago previously of accounts that were gone. Until recently there was no option to even mass delete mail in the inbox let alone filter the thousands of messages sent.

At the very least D-M owes me a ton of money and a lengthy PUBLIC apology. Knowing I won't ever be compensated for lost time, money, the ability to trust ANYONE or the torment i've endured.. I'll settle for publicly exposing them and other frauds.

• Best tip I can provide, if you insist on using these make sure you meet them in person, don't fall for this pay for chat crap..Don't go there without backup.
  Whoever goes with you or meets you better be trustworthy, somebody you know personally, knows the language and is 100 percent trustworthy.
  If you can't do that, lets be honest most probably can't, your placing your life in the hands of strangers who have absolutely no reason to care at all about your safety or well-being.

Attatched are some photos of persons mentioned here.

I believe that the pair of DJs are known to this forum.  Can anyone elaborate?  Wasn't there a guy who's neighbor introduced them?

[silversurfer]

  Read links on this site to Anastasia Date,Hot Russian Brides,Russian Love Match,Dream Marriage,Jump4Love  and many more.
Your information is not new -- and for a lot more background info read here.
Contributions come from people  who do know various aspects of the bigger picture story.

The bottom line is that the sites themselves are complicit along with the agencies -that is where the real money is being made.

I have not been able to find any of J4L or D-M but I appreciate your feedback. I am new here.

[BillyB]

Silversurfer, you are spending a considerable amount of time investigating fantasy and scams when the time could be spent talking to real women. Do lots of reading here it significantly increase your chances to find a wonderful woman.

[Trenchcoat]

Silversurfer, I agree with BillyB, after the first scam you should have moved on and gone to sites recommended on here not wasted years on it. You have to decide what your aim is, to expose scams or find love. All the time you are spending on these scams is time you could be spending talking to a legit woman. So get on a decent site listed here, message some women, look for red flags then if all appears decent enough do your background research on them online. Don't waste time on women that are showing red flags from the get go i.e professing love to you when you have just written to them, no social media pages or little info on them, refuses to skype, other stuff that doesn't add up, etc.

My thoughts are that scams involving translators should start coming to an end now with Google Translate on phones where you can speak in and it speaks out the translation for you in Russian there is little need to pay for translators. Granted its not a perfect translation all the time but then again your terp may not be either. Either way a lot cheaper on price

Also just noticed the pics you put up silversurfer, looks like Photoshopped bollocks to me. You get these around even on the better sights but in my opinion always ones to avoid. I used to look with interest at some of these when starting out thinking it was just professionally taken photos but after a while you can noticed the difference between professionally taken and Photoshopped. The ones where the girls who look all plastic like the one on mens magazine covers who also use Photoshop are Photohopped. After a while I realized that the girls look better more natural anyway and it more naturally beautiful women I look for these days.

[ML]

Silver, sorry to tell you that you are only about the 100th plus man who has showed up here with a similar story.

And it still never fails to amaze how many naive men there are out there.
Makes me want to start and run some of these scammer dating sites because of the huge money to be made.

But, since I am too busy with my hot chick Ukrainian wife to start such a business . . . please go to this thread "Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites" in the Starting Out section so that you won't have to continue to come back here with such sad stories.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[Gator]

I believe that the pair of DJs are known to this forum.  Can anyone elaborate?  Wasn't there a guy who's neighbor introduced them?

You are correct.  The hot, hot, hot DJ story was written by IamMaiC and it starts here:   

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20326.0

SS found the thread, posted, and IamMaiC responded. 

[LAman]

Silver, sorry to tell you that you are only about the 100th plus man who has showed up here with a similar story.

And it still never fails to amaze how many naive men there are out there.
Makes me want to start and run some of these scammer dating sites because of the huge money to be made.

But, since I am too busy with my hot chick Ukrainian wife to start such a business . . . please go to this thread "Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites" in the Starting Out section so that you won't have to continue to come back here with such sad stories.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Yes, send him to a 5 year old thread with some sites not even in business. Maybe there are some MOB magazines still in press?????

[JayH]

Yes, send him to a 5 year old thread with some sites not even in business. Maybe there are some MOB magazines still in press?????

As we are both frequent critics of guys that post out of date info you understand the problems with that. Some guys are decent enough to steer clear of what was relevant 15 years ago( or 10 or even 5) and qualify what they say by indicating an approximate  year in comments.
What does not change  quite so much is the personal interaction -and that is where older threads and advice come into it.
In the link ML gave the links and websites may well be passe-- but a lot of the general advice can still apply.
A newbie really needs to study a lot of info ( & from different people) to get a feel for the mentality of FSUW  and the FSU in general.
As a fantastic example -I like Donhollio's story. It is set in an earlier time and the tech difficulties faced back then are a story in itself --but his personal experiences are timeless.
Now he is a smart guy-- and acknowledges exactly the time point --while others refuse to recognise change .

[Trenchcoat]

Silver, sorry to tell you that you are only about the 100th plus man who has showed up here with a similar story.

And it still never fails to amaze how many naive men there are out there.
Makes me want to start and run some of these scammer dating sites because of the huge money to be made.

But, since I am too busy with my hot chick Ukrainian wife to start such a business . . . please go to this thread "Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites" in the Starting Out section so that you won't have to continue to come back here with such sad stories.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Yep Silversurfer, if you weren't spending all your time trying to uncover scammers then it could have been you instead of ML boning his hot chick Ukrainian now wife    

[ML]

Yes, send him to a 5 year old thread with some sites not even in business. Maybe there are some MOB magazines still in press?????

On that website, new sources of use to men (and women) can always be added.

So go ahead and add your up-to-date favorites.

And as was said, there is a lot of useful info there aside from the dating sites mentioned.

Stickies are stickies because the info there really doesn't go out of style, even as it can be updated.