Innoculatoins, vaccinations

[Elen]

eddited no comments ( I changed my mind with giving any advices)
have not idea what situation JPjr involeved himself

I leave only this my words  "I TOLD YOU SO"   

[jb]

Interestingly enough, I received a call from our Greek Orthodox priest yesterday regarding this very subject.  He did manage to weasel a dinner invitation to our house next week, (we have a very friendly and intimate relationship with our priest.  He's a young'ish Greek guy with a housefull of daughters and needs the occasional escape), but I'm sure that was not his purpose, he was doing a follow up to our earlier conversation.

He has done some added investigation on his own, and the bottom line is still: "A marriage preformed in the Church, is a marriage before God".  He doesn't make allowances for what any government might say about it, he's a man of God....Period.  In this country, a Church wedding is valid.

He said, and I quote: "Take the Russian Church Marriage Certificate to a Russian Orthodox Priest at the nearest Orthodox Prefecture, he will direct you for the proper disposal".  It usually involves registration with the county clerk's office.  Without that, as far as the USA is concerned the marriage never took place.  Without doing that you cannot make the marriage known publically, in case of death by being run over by cement truck tomorrow, the widow has no claim on her husbands estate.  You are married, you just have to make sure you legalize everything for the benefit of all concerned.

I'm not accusing anyone of marriage/visa fraud here, merely stating how the Orthodox Church feels about it.

[Elen]

he problem here is that Church is not the state

[ConnerVT]

he problem here is that Church is not the state

That is irrelevant.  The question is not if Russia recognizes the wedding as legal, but rather does the US see it that way.  It would be relevent if one were applying to immigrate TO Russia.

[BC]

Did something in the US change?  I sort of remember that some kind of marriage licence was required.

[DonAz]

Don't want to be a tattletale, but  last I heard JPjr was happily married to a RW. But, I guess we all need a hobby!

Uh Racer uh  I mean Garyc ;

Since you don't mind revealing someone else's secrets and since you opened the door to tattle telling.

Don't want to be a tattletale, but

Hasn’t  Natalia only been here since April 05, but you have in your profile 5 years +

Don't want to be a tattletale, but

The 5 years + including your first disastrous experience with your  GCG . Yes?

Don’t want to be a tattletale, but

Wasn’t that first disaster similar but much worse then the Maxx horror? Yes?

Don’t want to be a tattletale, but

Don’t you live in Arizona and not Nevada as you have in your profile?

I don’t want to be a tattletale, but

Don’t you still have to hide from disaster #1 ; hence the lie about your location?

I don't want to be a tattle tail but;
 
Aren't you about 60 and Natalie is more then a generation younger then you.
 
But I guess everyone needs a hobby.

I have a new one dog training
 
GYAMB

And Thats That

[Mod2]

Besides being wildly off topic..

Do I detect cross-board bad-blood or is this some kind of inside joke between you two?

If so, kindly suggest leaving such wherever it was or revert to PM's instead.

Thanks

[Jet]

Sorry Mod2 but
ROFLMFAO @ DonAz

[DonAz]

Hey Mod 2,

No it isn't  cross board, it is bad blood thats for sure. It happened here and I am leaving it here. Tried Pm's didn't work,  made him worse.

I'm an above board kind of guy and since Racerx/Garyc choose to post a vile insult my wife here on RWD  and I waited 8 months to the day for an apology ( even asked for them in Pm's as mentioned above) , I figured it was now time to give it back to him, with the exception that I am the one telling the Truth.

But I am sorry for the offtopic but I thought tattletailing was now the subject of this thread.

As a penance I'll start a new thread that will be very informative to  new guys and those waiting for their ladies to come over. I will call it  Lab Rat Boy ( lab tech) and the Skin Care Girl ( popping zits and waxing buns ) It will be about all the mistakes this Lab rat boy made over the course of many years and the 2  FSUW he brought over. A bit of fiction and a bit of nonfiction

[prince_alfie]

Hmm... I thought the ordeal was over. I guess not 

[Admin]

Hmm... I thought the ordeal was over. I guess not 

PA,

Having been in touch with both the guys involved, I think it is safe to say they are not ready for the tussle to be over between them.

I hope, and trust, that both realize it will be unproductive for their issues to spill over here to RWD.

I further hope they can find a constructive path forward. But time will tell.

- Dan

[prince_alfie]

I'm just a little worried that the tussle is spilling into irrelevance in threads that aren't related to the tussle. I escaped the drama of RWG in a long-term boycott to find some measure of peace on RWD...

But I guess this world is full of chaos.

[DonAz]

I hope, and trust, that both realize it will be unproductive for their issues to spill over here to RWD.

- Dan

Dan as you well know, and acknowledged in our phone conversations, this is not a spill over from another board, this is something that started here.

Hell all he had to do was send a PM to my with an apology, the whole thing would have stayed private and I would have been happy to let bygones be bygones.

Obviously he is not man enough to extend a hand to right a wrong.

[Admin]

Dan as you well know, and acknowledged in our phone conversations, this is not a spill over from another board, this is something that started here.

Hell all he had to do was send a PM to my with an apology, the whole thing would have stayed private and I would have been happy to let bygones be bygones.

Obviously he is not man enough to extend a hand to right a wrong.

I know Don. Was just doing a bit of introspection and revisiting the history of the precipitating event myself. I realized that the offending post was made on 20 or 21 December of 2005 - which is actually somewhat significant.

On December 21, 2005, I spent my 9th full day in trial court. Those 9 days were spread over 2 months, so it was not consecutive days - but it was a grueling and draining time. I vaguely recall some of the PM's which were exchanged back then - but candidly, my mind was elsewhere and I did not dig into the issues the way I normally would.

I am to blame for allowing that situation to get out of hand - and I owe you an apology for not having been on top of my moderating duties more effectively on those days. I am, sincerely, sorry for not handling that more effectively.

There is no place on this board for attacks or innuendo directed at the women we are involved with. It is completely inappropriate.

I think the topic has been cleansed, quite belatedly, of the offensive posts - and I hope you can accept my apology.

- Dan

[prince_alfie]

Indeed. I think that there is much power to forgive, being a good gentleman. Fueling the fire serves no other purpose except to hit each other with meaningless salvos. I really think that we get too little kindness in today's world.

[Bruno]

I am to blame for allowing that situation to get out of hand - and I owe you an apology for not having been on top of my moderating duties more effectively on those days. I am, sincerely, sorry for not handling that more effectively.

 

In no way, you are responsible for the post of other people... some day, the post rate is so high that read everything directly and moderating when needed is almost impossible... if i good remember, you have a job, a wife, a child... it seem logical that these have your priority...

People who make insult are to blame, not you !

[DonAz]

I know Don. Was just doing a bit of introspection and revisiting the history of the precipitating event myself. I realized that the offending post was made on 20 or 21 December of 2005 - which is actually somewhat significant.

On December 21, 2005, I spent my 9th full day in trial court. Those 9 days were spread over 2 months, so it was not consecutive days - but it was a grueling and draining time. I vaguely recall some of the Pm's which were exchanged back then - but candidly, my mind was elsewhere and I did not dig into the issues the way I normally would.

I am to blame for allowing that situation to get out of hand - and I owe you an apology for not having been on top of my moderating duties more effectively on those days. I am, sincerely, sorry for not handling that more effectively.

There is no place on this board for attacks or innuendo directed at the women we are involved with. It is completely inappropriate.

I think the topic has been cleansed, quite belatedly, of the offensive posts - and I hope you can accept my apology.

- Dan

Dan,
You do not owe me any apology. I know you to be a world class gentleman. I admire you and have the greatest respect for you.

Actually I'm sorry things got out of hand. Truth be known I forgave him a long time ago, right after I found out who he is in fact. My wife and I spent a day shopping with his wife after I knew who he was.

There was another issue that came up a while back that brought kind of opened up that wound. I asked for an apology, he did not respond except to push my buttons on an almost daily basis and I responded to him. Well he did not like it, let leave it at that.

As I mentioned in my post above all he ever had to do was apologize. He could still do it and I would still let bygones be bygones.




[EDIT] PA and Bruno ~ You both posted as I was preparing my post. Jut want to say that I agree with  both of you
Don

[KenC]

Dan,
As we have learned here in the past (and RWG is just now learning), you can erase the words but you cannot make the animosity that those words created disapear so easily.  All of us have said or in this case posted something we shouldn't have, but the real men step up and either apologize (if they don't sincerely believe what they said) or they back their words up with logic and facts (as to why they have a different point of view).  It is only some kind of lowely reptile (snake comes to mind) that repeatedly posts venomous statements and then calls on moderators to save him from retribution from those statements.  Never offering an explanation of why he either endorses the statements made or apologizes for losing his control and admitting to the mistake.  It kind of reminds me of a young boy starting a fight with another and then hides behind his mothers skirt.  We all knew kids like that.  Man did I hate those kind of kids.  But those brats had to leave from behind their mother's skirts at some point in time.
KenC

[prince_alfie]

KenC,

Good point made. But I'm afraid that sometimes the "eye for an eye" philosophy isn't always for the best. Either that I'm just this really relaxed type of guy who is made from Teflon... People always love having negativity and I personally feel that even though I can be judgmental, I try to look and reflect at the positive qualities of everyone. Naive, perhaps. But at least I can feel more neutral and stress-free in the long run.

Alfie

[DonAz]

Sorry Mod2 but
ROFLMFAO @ DonAz

LOL.. Thanks Jet, most guys on the boards are having a great laugh at his expense. I know he had a lousy weekend getting his tail kick on over the boards and  Gary continues to get broken open like a drunken prom date . There are over 150 posts in less then 48 hours on several threads smearing  Gary from   his own vat of crap. LOL   In all those thread not one word of sympathy for him. It seems Gary's only life is the boards and won't leave no matter how much sh!t he has to eat. I have to admit a do enjoy force feeding him LOL. It is amazing how much punishment a guy can take and not learn from that punishing experience. My wife describes people like him and his wife as dirty little people who tell dirty little stories. The types that try to validate themselves by invalidating others. no wonder they have a lonely pathetic life.
GYAMB

And that's that !

DonAz

[Muckraker]

By the way, a religious marriage overseas is only recognized for immigration purposes if it was recognized as a valid marriage by the sovereign in that country or state.  So, it does matter whether Russia regards the marriage as valid.  Since in Russia the state has exclusive jurisdiction, a wedding in a church by itself would not result in a legal marriage there, and consequently, at least for immigration purposes (and in general for other purposes as well) not here either.  Same in Mexico. 

Notwithstanding, it goes without saying that you do not mention your ceremony to the consular officer as they may not be able to claim expertise in Russian marriage laws.

Muck

[SANDRO43]

Is it because the title is INNOCULATOINS, rather than INOCULATIONS, that posts to this thread have wandered so much
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[Admin]

Is it because the title is INNOCULATOINS, rather than INOCULATIONS, that posts to this thread have wandered so much
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No, it is because we are a bunch of undisciplined and poorly moderated (and uncontrollable) lot.
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But........ we need someone to kep us in line. Sandro - are you busy ???????????????

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

But........ we need someone to kep us in line. Sandro - are you busy ?????????

Far from me to suspect that you are trying to sneak something upon me, but thank you, no (I am not medically-qualified and could not afford a malpractice suit, it could turn into a class action here ).

[Admin]

Far from me to suspect that you are trying to sneak something upon me, but thank you, no (I am not medically-qualified and could not afford a malpractice suit, it could turn into a class action here ).

"Malpractice suit"?!? No, I was thinking more in terms of flame retardant materials. Doesn't Italy produce some REALLY terrific  flame proof suits .... you know, for all those race car drivers who keep crashing (and NO! - my comment has NOTHING to do with any reference intended or otherwise to ANY racing metaphors!).

Sheez, have to be REALLY extraordinary overwhelmingly careful these days - even when making a stupid joke, and anticipating the backlash. :seething:

- Dan