Testing Others

[rw_recruiter]

Jesus Christ. If you need to test someone you have an issue or should not be speaking to them.

[BillyB]

Jesus Christ. If you need to test someone you have an issue or should not be speaking to them.

You mentioned elsewhere you are going to Odessa to visit a woman you wrote to on AnasastiaDate. Odessa is known to have a higher percentage of hookers and pro daters compared to other cities in the FSU. AnastasiaDate has been labeled the biggest scam agency around. I predict you are going to change your mind about this post after you learn the girl you wrote to was actually, Igor the employee of the month and when the girl in the photo shows up, she will know nothing of what you said in letters but she knows where she wants to eat and where to shop. I really hope you know how to read people and got things figured out. Most people here will bet money you're going to be taken for a ride.

[rw_recruiter]

We will see. I will be there in a week and know for sure. I will certainly not test her in any way once there.

edit, unless it is an STD test 

[BillyB]

I will certainly not test her in any way once there.

You still believe the girl you were writing to is real and knows who you are? You can't test her because you were probably trading love letters with Igor, the employee of the month. You are also probably using all their services for apartments, interpreters, taxis, and are overpaying big time. Being a man that trusts so much, makes you more likely to get used.

We will see.

Since you believe trusting a person you never met makes you a man of integrity, when you do see, be a man and let us know how it worked out for you. Good luck. You'll need a lot of that.

[rw_recruiter]

I rented an apartment with Sea view on Airbnb the first week and a house on the beach for the second Billy. They have Uber in Ukraine now I am told.

[BillyB]

Keeping the agency out of the equation is a good thing. The fact your'e 47 and the beautiful blonde girl is 21 lowers your odds of success. Only a few guys could pull that off. Also sending her brother money is not a good sign. Most sincere women will not ask or accept money from people they never met.

[rw_recruiter]

He was serving his country in the war torn East. I could tell her to eff off or send a few bucks for boots. As it is he lost his foot so no longer has the boots and is back home. I would feel like a dick if I arrived and her brother was sitting there missing his foot after I called her a liar.

I am a pretty good looking guy and look younger than my age. A member on the other site may meet me over there, you can ask him what I look like I guess.

[BillyB]

I could tell her to eff off or send a few bucks for boots.

Why do you feel a need to say "no"? She asked you for the money and so you sent money for the boots. If it were a man you never met that asked you for money, you would tell him you wouldn't send money to a person you never met or to eff off.

As it is he lost his foot so no longer has the boots and is back home.

That was convenient. After you sent money, he didn't need to buy the boots anymore since he's missing a foot and thus out of the war. Good timing. If he did by boots and don't need them anymore, they were probably sold.

I would feel like a dick if I arrived and her brother was sitting there missing his foot after I called her a liar.

I've been asked for money from women who have problems in their life. I tell them all that I always help family and friends. If we meet and decide that we will be a family together, I will take care of them. Of course chances are I don't meet women who ask for money from strangers. You don't have to call her a liar but you needed to put your foot down and set some rules up about money. If she didn't want you to visit if you refused to send her money, it would've been a good thing since it would save you thousands of dollars you're about to spend on this vacation.

I am a pretty good looking guy and look younger than my age. A member on the other site may meet me over there, you can ask him what I look like I guess.
 

Looks can catch a woman but it won't keep a woman. When you do catch a woman, you will lose her when you lose your looks. To keep a woman, you need to use your biggest sex organ, the brain, to keep her interested in you.

[rw_recruiter]

Billy, he lost his foot to a landmine while fighting for his country. If I was lied to and am out two hundred bucks so be it and I move on. If the kid lost his foot serving and I was able to help him even for a few months it was worth it for me.

[BillyB]

Billy, he lost his foot to a landmine while fighting for his country. If I was lied to and am out two hundred bucks so be it and I move on. If the kid lost his foot serving and I was able to help him even for a few months it was worth it for me.

You're not convincing me you have a kind heart. There are thousands of men around the world serving their country and getting hurt. You're not sending them money. Of course they don't have something between their legs you want.


 You don't know if the lady you're about to visit likes you and you're trying to buy her love since you're not supporting any other troops out there. Try winning her heart over based off who you are, not what's in your wallet. Combat boots don't cost $200. If only ten guys a month send her $200 a month based off sad stories she throws at them, that's $2000 a month income. it's no wonder why so many of these girls are asking for money. You're encouraging bad behavior. A husband and wife team in Russia made 1.5 million off gullible westerners.

[rw_recruiter]

You're not convincing me you have a kind heart.

Not trying to convince you buddy. Even if you shaved your ass I am sure it looks nothing like hers 

[Jumper]

AWeb snd its sffiliate local agencies in Odessa are notorious for this.
Do you mind filling in a few things?
Do you speak with her on vid chat,if so, what times of the day?

Basically how do you communicate thru the site?  Their message system, or vid chat?

Are you still communicating daily?

It's sweltering hot in Odessa this time of year ,particularly this year.
 It's got some decent beaches and tourist area, but things have gotten worse economy wise and can be sketchy for a foreigner if you don't keep your eyes wide open.

[jone]

The good news is that many on the forum, here, have gotten their feet wet with A-Date.  Those who did are a little lighter in the wallet but have taken their smart pills. (Remember the joke about the guy who was selling rabbit raisins?  He would tell his customers that they were smart pills.  The customer would eat one and say: 'Hey, these are Rabbit Raisins.'  The guy would say:  'You're smarter already.)

I remember the first time I went to Ukraine.  I had a gal I had met with A-Date.  She met me with her interpreter.  I had to pay the interpreter, like, $20 an hour.  We went to a restaurant the gals had picked out and I got a special menu that cost twice as much as stuff on the menu everyone else received.  The interpreter is there both as a chaperone and to make sure she takes everything from your wallet possible.

Many of us have met the chat girls that you talk to on that site.  They are there for a job, nothing more.  It is their job to stroke you along as best as they can. 

One of the other forum members had me go out to dinner with a couple of them in Mykolaiv.  They joked about having their Western Union cards and all of the stories that they told guys to get them to send money.  In Ukraine, scamming Westerners is the second highest paying job for young ladies, I am told.  (Did not want to ask what the highest paying job is.)  These gals literally WORK for the agency.

I did meet a gal in Mykolaiv from A-Date who was not a scammer.  We met and dated a few times.  She was very beautiful.  BUT!   Even when she requested to not be on the website anymore, the agency still used her profile to lure guys in.  They lied to her and told her it would take them two weeks to remove it.  During this time I went on and talked to the agency guy acting to be her.  When I showed her the screen shot, she got all pissed off and went in and yelled at them.  Her profile was down the next day.

Some of the A-Date profiles have been there for two years after the girl is gone.  They are used to lure guys in and hook them.  Then they suck out as much money as possible.

Who knows, you may be the exception.  But what are you going to do with a gal in her low twenties, anyway?

[BillyB]

Not trying to convince you buddy. Even if you shaved your ass I am sure it looks nothing like hers 

Her's or Igor, the employee of the month? Actually I got good news for you. Although I'm sure agency employees were involved with trading love letter with you off her profile and other women's profiles, I actually believe she's involved with you now since she asked for money. When you decided to visit, the agency has an obligation to tell the ladies the guy is coming to visit the photo in her profile. He is in love. They show her the correspondence and she decides what she wants to do with you. Of course she makes her decision after you buy your tickets. If she thinks you're a winner, she will not insult you by taking advantage of your wallet. If she doesn't want a life with you, she'll go along for the ride and get what she can out of you.


You believe this woman really likes you? Especially after you tried to be a hero and sent $200 to make her brother's life more comfortable and investing thousands to visit her? Ask for her mobile phone number before you visit. I'll bet you she has some reason on why she can't give that to you. It's common sense. The guys a girl likes get her phone number.


One reason I recommended certain guys to do testing is because they can't read people. You read a lot of ADate's agency letters and didn't understand that is not how sincere/real women write. You were in fantasy land the whole time yet you hold hope this will move into reality with a girl  falling in love and living happily ever after with you.


I was 40 when I first visited my wife who was 18 at the time. I wrote a thread before meeting my wife to show people how easy it is to meet ladies and eventually find a winner. Based on how I am, how I think, and how I read and identify people, I will always find a winner. Not many guys can write a report and know how it's going to turn out. When explaining to people about my wife's character and how she behaved, I got hammered a lot. People said I was getting scammed and going to get used. NOBODY in the history of this forum got hammered as much as I. I began to realize those hammering me didn't have much of an idea on how sincere and insincere women behave. If those people don't understand good people, they are more likely to bring the wrong people in their life. You can read the thread below and get some good ideas on how FSU women behave on dates and how they think and how people in this forum think.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0


You mentioned in another thread "How is some 21 year old bimbo going to use me?" When I was accused of going to get used by the girl I was visiting, my now wife, I replied something to the tune of "The girl has lived one year of her life as an adult. I've lived 22 years as an adult. I've got too much life experience and wisdom for somebody that young to be taking advantage of me"


The difference between you now and me back then is you already was taken advantage of and didn't know it. The agency got you. If the lady wrote her own letters to you and other men and not Igor, she was likely paid for her work. If you can't identify what is in front of you, you can't prepare how to deal with it. People over there know how to deal with western guys with confidence who think nobody will take advantage of them. Those young bimbos over there seem to win more times than lose when separating men from their money. Men beaten by those girls also report those girls are on their period 24/7. Hate to disappoint you.

[rw_recruiter]

Do you speak with her on vid chat,if so, what times of the day?

Basically how do you communicate thru the site?  Their message system, or vid chat?

Are you still communicating daily?

I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.

[Boethius]

I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.

I believe if you are chatting through the website, it is because the agency she works for is giving her a cut of that chat time.  Yes, she will meet with you - she gets paid to do so. 

[Boethius]

Article on chat sites from a Ukrainian paper -


http://mignews.com.ua/sobitiya/inukraine/1279934.html

[BillyB]

I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.

Chat is another way these companies make big bucks. Let me guess. She's sitting at the agency chatting with you and other guys her time, 1 AM - 4 AM in the morning for hours?

I urge you to get her phone number now. You will there in a week, yes? Very little time left to gauge the tone of her voice to understand if she's into you or if you can hold a conversation with her for more than a few seconds. If you can't talk to her now, you'll probably won't be able to talk to her on a first date.


Keep in mind, agencies can give 30 phones with individual phone numbers and names to a female employee to pretend she is the woman associated with the number. Ask questions about what you two talked about in correspondence. If she's clueless, she's either an agency employee or she's the woman but didn't write her letters and knows nothing about you and of course didn't invest nothing into you. You may think she invested time chatting with you but she also may have been paid to sit through those torture sessions of chatting with losers, freaks, the morally bankrupt, and grandpas.


If she doesn't give you a phone number, she doesn't like you. Create a backup plan now by making contacts with women in Odessa. Do not use the same agency to do this.


If she says she will give you a phone number but you have to pay the agency for this contact info, continue to make a backup plan. A girl who likes a man does not want him to waste his money. A woman who plans to live her life with a man will figure out how to conserve his money for their future family. If she likes the agency over you, it's probably because she likes her job over you.


You've entered a fantasy world and want something real out of it. We've seen guys in your situation before and their dream turned into an expensive nightmare. Good luck.

[Jumper]

I have never chatted with her on video, seemed to be a scam moneywise. We chat through the website itself every few days. Not video, real time.

Ok.


Exceptions happen,  but not often.
The details make a difference.

That just messages,or still is real time live chat? If  so the times, and frequency,  are sort of  important.

 
I know owners of such affiliate agencies, and workers.
So you havnt seen her live chat vid, or got her on the phone.
Most vid chat girls are;working, but at least you know you are speaking to that person.I'm surprised you dint pay ten dollars or less out of just curiousity in seeing her once in this time before flying there.
In this case  so far you have no idea who you are talking to.it could be the person in the photos, but often agency workers answer those type messages.
Keep in mind you are still paying, and likely 90% of men never travel.
If they do, then they can produce the girl associated with the photos unless she is in another city visiting her sick grandmother.
 Odds this is the standard agency soft scam deal are extremely high, and you are traveling to a country with issues,  to meet someone youve never seen,or spoken to on the phone.
 You said the brothers English was poor, did you speak with him?
 
 

[rw_recruiter]

Yes, just chat on the websites interface. I spoke to her brother on his cell phone with whatsapp. She was there as well, heard her on it. Never any video.

Her babushka lives in the same city. We are planning on going over to her house while I am there to meet her. She needed some home repairs, I offered to help out a bit.

[treadmilldude]

DragonKid, I have not heard from you in awhile. It is good to hear from you. Don't be a stranger, pop in more often.

See ya' Dragonkid.

[BillyB]

I spoke to her brother on his cell phone with whatsapp. She was there as well, heard her on it. Never any video.

Her brother or boyfriend? What kind of timeframe are we talking about? I thought the brother was on the front line in a war where very little skirmishes are happening at the moment but somehow, he's unlucky and blew off his feet right after you send money for the boots? When did you send him money for new boots? When did his foot get blown off? He'd be sitting in a hospital  for a long period of time before he'd get sent back to Odessa. He had to be in Odessa talking to you since his "sister" was standing next to him.

Her babushka lives in the same city. We are planning on going over to her house while I am there to meet her. She needed some home repairs, I offered to help out a bit.

This is not surprising. You send money and she brings up another problem that can be solved with money. The girl is smoking hot yet her whole family has problems that are solved with money. Maybe you should suggest she return those expensive clothes, jewelry, and cosmetics to help her family in need.


Treadmilldude, did you erase your thread about Calmissile and dump it in here? I doubt it was you and it seems like nobody is man/woman enough to admit they did that. Maybe it was magic an it just happened all by itself. Reminds me of a time when a lot of magic happened with posts. Hope we don't go there again. 

[SANDRO43]

See ya' Dragonkid.

Hardly likely, his account was deleted long ago .

[rw_recruiter]

Her brother or boyfriend? What kind of timeframe are we talking about? I thought the brother was on the front line in a war where very little skirmishes are happening at the moment but somehow, he's unlucky and blew off his feet right after you send money for the boots? When did you send him money for new boots? When did his foot get blown off? He'd be sitting in a hospital  for a long period of time before he'd get sent back to Odessa. He had to be in Odessa talking to you since his "sister" was standing next to him.

Money was sent a few months ago. I spoke to him before that while he was on leave back home for a bit. He has been home about a month I guess. Not sure exactly. Funds are low for those injured in the war Billy, no money to keep men in hospitals in Ukraine. He has turned to the bottle.

[Jumper]

Odds are against this being much  on a  lot of levels. Hey,  you may met her, and babushka.brother could be a brother , or could be her boyfriend. It can be pretty out there in Ukraine.
 If a 21yo girl in Tampa, you hadn't seen, or talked to on the phone, wouldn't give you her cell, (but gives you her brothers) hit you up for grandma's apt repairs, somehow I don't think you'd be interested in sending dollars.
Likely wouldn't meet her without some basics like talking to her.
 
  Kind of curious why you dint speak with her when talking to her brother, if she was there.

I actually give at 50/50 shot that you'll meet her. If so odds she either lives up to photoshop photots, or is actually interested are pretty slim.


But I'm pretty jaded so think it can be an old member putting us on too.lol