To the Pearl of the Black Sea

[rw_recruiter]

There seem to be some hung up on the whole marriage thing. To be a good person you must get married. Good girls do this, guys not interested in marriage are only looking for a good time.

I suppose I am also going to hell by not believing in God and Santa Claus.

Everyone is different. We all have different beliefs and standards. You are free to believe or chase what makes you happy as am I.

I have explained what I am looking for and most reading have failed to understand something so basic.

[rw_recruiter]

Off to the local dentist, then moving to the house near the Sea for the remainder of my trip. It has been a great location, but time to see what the beaches are all about here.

We are going to 7km market today to stock up on food for the weekend BBQ. I have been kindly told to keep my mouth shut in the market and let her make the purchases.

Monday I have been shanghaied into speaking to a local school of 4th graders. Anya's mother is a teacher there, same school Anya went to as a child. It will be 2-3 classrooms so a large number of kids who are excited to speak to a native.

[2tallbill]

I have explained what I am looking for and most reading have failed to understand something so basic.

I've been too busy to follow most of your posts, if the girl(s) know your intentions
are to _________________ (enter goals here) and not seeking and pursuing them
for marriage then whatever happens between consenting adults isn't for me to judge.
If you haven't been clear with your intentions then you should be. 

I was in Kiev for New Years one year many moons ago. I had tickets to go to
a New Years party!   I saw a very cute girl at a pizza restaurant and asked her
to go to the New Years party with me. We had a blast. She never for one second
thought that by going to this party that would eventually lead to marriage. She
thought that she might have fun with music, dancing and entertainment.

I would have preferred to take a girl that I had serious intentions with. I tried but
I couldn't make it happen. So I took the too young and too cute girl and we had
fun, fun, fun.

[JayH]

There seem to be some hung up on the whole marriage thing. To be a good person you must get married. Good girls do this, guys not interested in marriage are only looking for a good time.

I suppose I am also going to hell by not believing in God and Santa Claus.

Everyone is different. We all have different beliefs and standards. You are free to believe or chase what makes you happy as am I.

I have explained what I am looking for and most reading have failed to understand something so basic.

The idea that EVERYONE must instantly be getting married is ridiculous.
NOTE --taken from a very good looking girls profile info --

Relationship   Activity Partner, Friendship, Marriage, Relationship, Romance

Those words are not unusual to see in a profile -- and what I see is someone being a realist .

The problem of the BB of the world pushing only one dimension ie marriage is ridiculous at this stage of the op's deal.
The forum would be ridiculing him if he had  announced he asked the girl to marry him already !
That also goes to what I say is the truly ridiculous advice often given here-- ie talk on Skype and then you will be ready to ask a girl to marry you in a few days after arrival! That is remote from a real world relationship -- and a throwback to another era !

[BillyB]

Jay, You must be reading something different than everybody else. Nobody is pushing RW_Recruiter to marry ASAP, especially to an agency girl.


Whether RW_Recruiter is looking for love or an FSU fuck buddy, he can't have what he wants everyday unless marriage is involved. RW_Recruiter is new to this so he may not understand that if he wants a girl to live with him in America, he needs to get married even if love is not involved. Our government doesn't care if the marriage is not serious but only for fun so she will get big slice of the pie in the event of a divorce. RW_Recruiter probably doesn't know men get hammered harder in divorce court when married to a woman fro overseas that is probably not very employable with English as her second language. That is why RW_Recruiter needs to evaluate her character and heart if he wants to be with her everyday whether it be for love or lust. RW_Recruiter says people doesn't understand him. Maybe he can enlighten people here if he wants part time or full time fun from a girl. Full time fun from a girl overseas requires marriage.


If RW_Recruiter has no or little intention of marriage which he's implied here, I hope he's relayed that to the girl before the visit so she has a clear understanding the fun they are having now has a great chance to nowhere.

[ML]

Again here we have talking out of both sides of mouth.

On the one hand we always are asking the guys if they do this for home country gals . . . when they start paying her money to live on, etc.

On the other hand we tell the guys that they should be sure and tell the gals that they are not planning to propose marriage during or after a first meeting, or even at all.

Yes, of course this is the standard way we go about first dates in USA.

[rw_recruiter]

On the other hand we tell the guys that they should be sure and tell the gals that they are not planning to propose marriage during or after a first meeting, or even at all.

Yes, of course this is the standard way we go about first dates in USA.

This is exactly what I am getting at. Who does this back home during the first several months while dating? Madness and a sure way to scare away any normal girl, that is for sure.

You guys must understand that to normal women here it sounds desperate to talk about marriage right away.

he can't have what he wants everyday unless marriage is involved. RW_Recruiter is new to this so he may not understand that if he wants a girl to live with him in America, he needs to get married even if love is not involved.

Maybe he can enlighten people here if he wants part time or full time fun from a girl. Full time fun from a girl overseas requires marriage.

There are many ways to live your life without being forced to do something. You do not need to get married to have a long time partner anywhere in the World, sorry. I can move here, she can get a number of VISA's or we can decide to live in Spain if we want. Think outside the box man.

[rw_recruiter]

MY dentist visit left me pretty nervous when I saw the entry into the office below......



But once inside the office was clean, sterilized, and the dentist was very knowledgeable. I paid 700 Hrivnas or $26 USD for a cleaning and one cavity filling.

[rw_recruiter]

We missed our trip to 7 km market while rushing around and changing apartments. Bad street addresses here and waiting on the airbnb host again held us up a few hours. There is a nice hotel on the same street, may have made more sense like previously posted.

The house is set behind a gate on "cozy lane" in the Otrada Beach area.

Zoning and common area or public maintenance is a bit funny here in Ukraine. I will post pictures and expand on that later.

The rental is on the closest street to the beach you can be on, but a walk downhill to get to the boardwalk and beach areas with cabanas you can rent.



Took a quick walk yesterday and she showed me what the locals call "yellow rock". A large yellowish rock jutting out from the sand.

Otrada beach is more calm and frequented by locals a bit more. Arkadia down the way is a more touristy and happening beach she tells me.

A beach club where you can rent cabanas for 500 hrivnas and use the pool facilities or eat and relax. First place down the street to the beach.



View of another beach area.

[rw_recruiter]

To save time we take an Uber to a new supermarket in a large mall in Arkadia. We do a nice shop for the weekend parties and spend about $150. Basically filled two grocery carts full of beer, wine, and food. It was a strange sight for locals to see such a large purchase and the entire store was staring. People will normally go to the stores and buy a few items at a time.

Certain produce and foods like shrimp or imported cheese or crab legs, salmon, etc were on the expensive side.

The exchange rate has gone up a bit more while here. It is over 26 to the dollar now.

[rw_recruiter]

That night we head over to a new outdoor area that has just been built on the grounds of the last Mayors compound. It had been seized and was in the process of being renovated for events. Two large old buildings were being renovated for the public use and one converted into a center for gifted kids learning.



On the compound grounds they had installed paver walkways with food stalls everywhere, a large outdoor bar, and outdoor movies playing with families and couples lounging on overstuffed beanbags in the grass.



We met up with one of Anya's friends who I was told worked at an agency with her at one point. Both women no longer work at the agency, but their profiles are still used. Food was very cheap. I spent 200 Hrivnas on 2 large platters with pork and turkey sausage, fries, grilled veggies, and cucumber salad for the three of us.

[rw_recruiter]

I saw a very cute girl at a pizza restaurant and asked her
to go to the New Years party with me. We had a blast. She never for one second
thought that by going to this party that would eventually lead to marriage. She
thought that she might have fun with music, dancing and entertainment.

And that is normal. Now, should some chemistry have happened, a late night kiss led to a second date and conversation moved into deeper topics you may have decided to start a relationship. And x years later you may decide that you both really do want kids and marriage. That is a normal progression.

[ML]

Hate to spoil 'rosey' ideas . . . but many FSU folks including my spouse have gotten terrible dental service in FSU, even from highly recommended dentists.

Costs really big bucks here is USA to get these things corrected.
Some very dangerous infections can occur from incomplete drilling of cavities, etc.

On last summers trip to Ukraine, spouse took X-rays from here in hopes of getting needed fillings done cheaper.

One very respected dentist looked at her teeth (not the X-rays) and said there was nothing needed.  She even called in her partner who reached same conclusion.  Really unbelievable to  think  you can see needed work from just looking at teeth.

She went to another dentist who looked at X-rays and said there was no work needed.

Spouse was happy saying, they must be correct because they are turning down business.

So back in USA later for cleaning, I asked dentist where needed fillings were.  She pulled up the X-rays and even I could see the 3 places that needed fillings.

So we paid about $150 per filling when could have gotten all done for $50 or so in Ukraine.  But would it have been done correctly ???

[rw_recruiter]

I only got the cleaning for myself. I paid for Anyas cavity. The dentist mentioned I may need to replace a cap, but like you mention, maybe something to do back home.

[BillyB]

You guys must understand that to normal women here it sounds desperate to talk about marriage right away.

Nobody in this forum recommends talking about marriage right away. I tell guys to let their ladies know they are serious but will visit them as friends first. I dump women who talk about marriage on the first date.


You've used Anastasiadate which gives it's customers the impression this is a place to find long term relationships instead of quick hookups. Assuming no games are played by the agency, people assume they are dealing with other men and women at the site searching for LTR. Whether or not you're looking for marriage or partner to share your life with, it's wise to ask serious questions. Even if no love is involved, still got to trust and respect the person living in your house otherwise it's not going to be fun.

There are many ways to live your life without being forced to do something. You do not need to get married to have a long time partner anywhere in the World, sorry. I can move here, she can get a number of VISA's or we can decide to live in Spain if we want. Think outside the box man.

A few days ago you said she said she's not leaving Ukraine and IF you are allowed to work in Ukraine, you'll probably get a pay cut. First time in the FSU is usually a wonderful experience for most guys. Life there can get old real quick. Ever watch Groundhog Day?

We met up with one of Anya's friends who I was told worked at an agency with her at one point. Both women no longer work at the agency, but their profiles are still used.

A few days ago on a date with another of Anya's friends they told you they were agency girls. Anya is still connected with the agency otherwise she wouldn't have known you wanted to meet her. If her profile is still being used, the agency will call her when another guy is in town wanting to meet her. If you two decide to become exclusive at the end of your trip, go to the agency with her and demand the profile be removed. Anya should happily agree and not resist the request.


Everyday it seems you are feeding an agency or ex agency girl friend. This is a program agency girls use to feed each other. When a girl has a man visit her, she invites her agency friends to free meals saying they are interpreters or just friends she wants to introduce. The favor is returned to the girl when it's her friends turn to date men. Up to you to figure out. Just be aware this is not a normal experience most men have when visiting women in the FSU.....unless they use AnastasiaDate or similar. On the bright side, she's not taking you into 4-5 star restaurants. She does like you. Someone asked you earlier and I probably missed it. Does she have a job? Or does her parents provide a place for her to stay and keep her in style?

[rw_recruiter]

A few days ago you said she said she's not leaving Ukraine and IF you are allowed to work in Ukraine, you'll probably get a pay cut.

Yes, I would probably suffer a 50% paycut. So 10k a month versus 20-25k. I am under the impression you can live very well here on half that.

Everyday it seems you are feeding an agency or ex agency girl friend. This is a program agency girls use to feed each other. 

We are talking about spending $4 USD here Billy. Four bucks! I take it as a good sign that she wants me to meet her long term friends, not that I am being ripped off less than what it costs me to park for an hour in Miami. Are you telling me when you go out with a few women you make the tag along pay for a coffee? Is it because she is a foreigner who MAY be a scammer that you are gonna make her pay for a beer or coffee? We obviously see and think very different man.

Someone asked you earlier and I probably missed it. Does she have a job? Or does her parents provide a place for her to stay and keep her in style?

They asked, I answered. Some kind of import control admin at the port. She lives with mother in a home they own.

[JayH]

If you two decide to become exclusive at the end of your trip, go to the agency with her and demand the profile be removed.

BB --you know how TC looks as dumb as a post with comments -- you just joined him.
You know zilch about agencies and what could result with that type of action. It is an atrocious piece of advice.

Everyday it seems you are feeding an agency or ex agency girl friend. This is a program agency girls use to feed each other. When a girl has a man visit her, she invites her agency friends to free meals saying they are interpreters or just friends she wants to introduce. The favor is returned to the girl when it's her friends turn to date men. Up to you to figure out. Just be aware this is not a normal experience most men have when visiting women in the FSU.....unless they use AnastasiaDate or similar. On the bright side, she's not taking you into 4-5 star restaurants. She does like you. Someone asked you earlier and I probably missed it. Does she have a job? Or does her parents provide a place for her to stay and keep her in style?

Once again BB you are channelling TC and his greedy man approach .Meeting friends is interesting and fun -- and often very informative -- and a normal part of life over a few weeks ! The small cost of treating" a friend is no big deal . Add in what you have not seen in thread--it is too much like TC  and his tight arse approach.!!

[rw_recruiter]

I am really beginning to wonder who the real scammers are in this endeavor. These poor girls must deal with some real shit.

[rw_recruiter]

Once again BB you are channelling TC and his greedy man approach .Meeting friends is interesting and fun -- and often very informative -- and a normal part of life over a few weeks ! The small cost of treating" a friend is no big deal .

Exactly. And her friend pulled out a 200 Hrivna note to pay btw. I told her I would pick it up, not an issue. We had a wonderful evening together and had a great conversation. I was sandwiched between two gorgeous blondes the whole night. I mean really.

[JayH]

I am really beginning to wonder who the real scammers are in this endeavor. These poor girls must deal with some real shit.

I commented earlier --   that is a yes plus.
Prior to coming to the forums I used to avoid obvious westerners, they were often too embarrassing to be in the vicinity of -- but after joining forums I got more interested on what guys were like and who they are .Since then I have observed literally hundreds. Through some friends who work interpreting I actually met more !Through girls I know-- and their friends and friends of friends etc  I actually investigated some guys and their backgrounds.
Very few would pass what I called the being"normal" test so I could say they were ok guys.
The type of guys online at websites -- sheesh --honestly -- far too large a %  are a very long way from "normal" !

I have written all this stuff previously -- but mention it again for those actually looking today. Understand the problems for girls and you can go a long way towards navigating the maze.

[BillyB]

And her friend pulled out a 200 Hrivna note to pay btw. I told her I would pick it up, not an issue.

You think she was paying because she was nice? You were getting tested. Girls over there have a lot more street smarts than girls in America. They grow up faster and figure out people faster. I already said the girl likes you because she's not taking you to 4-5 star restaurants but you need to realize what you're going through isn't what other guys go through. When I meet friends of a girl I'm dating, it's usually at her house, in a park or the friends house just like most of us experience. Food is homemade and free. In turn I may even ask my lady if I could invite her friend or family member with us out to dinner at a later time.

You know zilch about agencies and what could result with that type of action. It is an atrocious piece of advice.

I understand some girls are under contract but the right guy can terminate that contract for his girl. You're not the right guy so you think it can't be done. You're ripping on TC for his lack of experience. When you get a girl after 5+ years looking, any girl, I'll value your opinion a little more.

[rw_recruiter]

You think she was paying because she was nice? You were getting tested. Girls over there have a lot more street smarts than girls in America. They grow up faster and figure out people faster. I already said the girl likes you because she's not taking you to 4-5 star restaurants but you need to realize what you're going through isn't what other guys go through.

There is no testing here Billy. I think you are paranoid and hoping for something that is not. They went and bought the second round of drinks. You can see them in one of the pics above returning with pivas.

I actually find the girls here a bit naive compared to some back in NY or Miami. Maybe easy for them to manipulate a lonely guy who has no clue about women, but this is not the case here.

You are correct. I am sure most guys are not expecting parents, cousins, and babushka coming over for shashlik on their first trip. They will all be here today. I am marinating 4 kilos of pork and chicken now. Napoleon cake, mackerel, caviar, dark bread, and salads await.

Most guys probably are not meeting a woman's girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands and kids on their first trip. They will all be here tomorrow while we drink champagne, piva, and laugh trying to communicate. One of the girls has an American boyfriend and several speak English from working at the agencies. One girl lives half the year in Miami. She owns a house in the Sauvignon neighborhood. The guys like Jay and LAman who know this area can tell you about homes there. It is a diverse good looking group.

Sorry this was not a trainwreck as many wanted with scamming Soviet minxes.

It will be very difficult to leave after my experience here. The people are warm and helpful (except for a few foreigner price gouges). The city is vibrant and energetic. The women are very thin and beautiful and inquisitive of a decent Westerner. It really is a great city.

[msmob]

Hate to spoil 'rosey' ideas . . . but many FSU folks including my spouse have gotten terrible dental service in FSU, even from highly recommended dentists.

Costs really big bucks here is USA to get these things corrected.
Some very dangerous infections can occur from incomplete drilling of cavities, etc.

On last summers trip to Ukraine, spouse took X-rays from here in hopes of getting needed fillings done cheaper.

One very respected dentist looked at her teeth (not the X-rays) and said there was nothing needed.  She even called in her partner who reached same conclusion.  Really unbelievable to  think  you can see needed work from just looking at teeth.

She went to another dentist who looked at X-rays and said there was no work needed.

Spouse was happy saying, they must be correct because they are turning down business.

So back in USA later for cleaning, I asked dentist where needed fillings were.  She pulled up the X-rays and even I could see the 3 places that needed fillings.

So we paid about $150 per filling when could have gotten all done for $50 or so in Ukraine.  But would it have been done correctly ???

TOTALLY DISAGREE with your experience...  based on my own experiences !

I had relux..acid coming up from my stomach when I slept ..and it ruined my already tiny adult teeth ...It was nearly 20 years before the TRUE reason was spotted ... I should have sued the posh UK dental practise - my dentist drove a mid range Porsche - as I spent a small fortune on treatment and  gum shields to stop 'grinding' - which my Wife and I were adamant wasn't happening.

I partly broke two of my front teeth by slamming into the bottom of a swimming pool and the crown lasted 44 years  - it has been repaired 4 times in the last two and failed.

I'm going to have bridge work down in either Belarus or Russia - based on my partners recommendations..  her teeth are PERFECT ...

I'll use a place that friends who teeth are wonderful have gone to and will report back as I'm going to be a spending a  lot of time there (

The times when Soviet dentistry identified spies has LONG past. )

[BillyB]

Sorry this was not a trainwreck as many wanted with scamming Soviet minxes.

People give advice because they care about fellow forum members including you. They don't want you to get scammed. Some agency girls make a living out of separating men from their money. They may take a guy for a few hundred or a few thousand bucks worth of gifts, meals and cash with no intention of having a relationship with them. This scam happens more often than people finding their soul mate in the FSU. Eventually ladies who scam men for a living are forced into retirement since they have to give way to younger girls. If your girl's true age of 28 instead of 21 was listed on her profile, she'd have less men visiting her. You may have not visited her. When girls start approaching their expiration date, they look for the "right" man to live their life with. Who's the lucky guy? They guy who was in a pro dater's life for a week or the guy who will be in her life for many years to come?


There's a reason I say figure her out. Don't base it on how she treats you. Watch how she treats strangers or people in the service industry that can be considered beneath her. Already you had some strange interactions and when you inquired about her age, she said the agency lies to stupid men. That wasn't a polite thing to say to paying customers. You were one of the paying customers that believed what you read in her profile. She's at an international marriage agency with no intention to leave Ukraine. Figure out if she enjoys punishing stupid men who uses the agency personal gain. Can you live with a person like that?


I hope you're not one of those guys who think by not marrying a woman, you won't have to share your assets and will be able to control how much your live in partner gets to spend. We've had a few controlling/greedy guys show up here and they aren't popular with even the sincere women. I know a few ladies at home who act frugal to increase their chances on hitting the jackpot. I know that's going on in one international marriage right now where the woman is bleeding out her greedy man when he's not looking. Based on what you earn, you're a very attractive man. Figure out what's in her brain, heart, past history, motives and if she's truly good person. I've dated a nympho before. Mind blowing sex gets old if there's nothing else there of value.

It will be very difficult to leave after my experience here. The people are warm and helpful (except for a few foreigner price gouges). The city is vibrant and energetic. The women are very thin and beautiful and inquisitive of a decent Westerner. It really is a great city.

That is contrary to what your lady told you a few days ago. She said women want to rob you in Odessa. Ukrainian men carry knives and don't like foreign men and then she pulled you away from those guys since you were in danger. Also the blacks rape and mug people. You want to live there to increase your chances of getting mugged or raped? Price gouging will also be a battle you will face regularly.

I am sure most guys are not expecting parents, cousins, and babushka coming over for shashlik on their first trip. They will all be here today. I am marinating 4 kilos of pork and chicken now. Napoleon cake, mackerel, caviar, dark bread, and salads await.

Hasn't anybody done any cooking for you yet? This family get together is a perfect time to ask how Anya's brother is doing after losing his leg in the war. Privately bring the question up to one of Anya's family members who speak English. Hopefully he/she isn't confused by the question. Maybe her brother will attend the event.  If he didn't lose his leg in the war or knows nothing about the boots you bought him, you need to find out who got the money you Western Union before you visited Anya. You did send it in Anya's name, not somebody elses?

[rw_recruiter]

That is contrary to what your lady told you a few days ago. She said women want to rob you in Odessa. Ukrainian men carry knives and don't like foreign men and then she pulled you away from those guys since you were in danger. Also the blacks rape and mug people. You want to live there to increase your chances of getting mugged or raped? Price gouging will also be a battle you will face regularly.

You are mixed up here. Women want to rape me. Foreigners carry knives and are the ones she said we should avoid. Chances of getting mugged are less here than in Miami I think. Price gouging will be an issue, yes.

Hasn't anybody done any cooking for you yet?

Her mother came to the airport with home made food Billy.

This family get together is a perfect time to ask how Anya's brother is doing after losing his leg in the war.

He is on his way over. You want a pic of his foot? Want me to hold up a code word next to it?   

You did send it in Anya's name, not somebody elses?

Was sent to his name.