How to handle this one?

[BillyB]

If you want real woman-pay attention to her wearing ( of course, to her heart and mind too).

Also...to catch a "real woman", a guy must be a "real man" or he will be very lonely.

[GQBlues]

...Anyway, it problems like you state which is why I like to go into the FSU dating scene with as much good knowledge as I can have, both from experienced forum members on her and my own experiences. Otherwise I would go into situations and be totally unawares and as a result very vulnerable, and bad women out there would see this....

First off, I didn't realize you're almost 40, kristo!, yet your social experience is literally stuck at puberty stage. All these bizarre perception you've regurgitated throughout these halls about the depth (sic) of your social skills/belief are telling.


TC, your problem ain't about the 'fat women' of London. It ain't about ANY 'woman' actually.


I have snipped the rest of your quoted post to those I left off to stress my point to you. You really need to learn to chill-out, man. You suffer from input overload. Learn to relax a bit in the things that you do, with yourself, by yourself and for yourself. Never go into anything completely paralyzed by undue and rigidly scripted approach. All of us function so much better when we allow our faculties to perform 'unrestricted'. That is true with everything you do in life...sports, profession, etc..that involves mind-body execution - and trust me, interacting with women. When you exude a relaxed nature, you exude confidence. A VITAL attractant to any women you will ever meet.


You harness all these silly 'preconceived demons' in your mind that you can no longer function with precision and flawlessness when moments that require such come knocking on your door. You stiffen like a board.


Forget what everyone has done, or does, in this arena. They aren't 'YOU'. That's one of the worst thing you can do to yourself. You can educate yourself with all the other travel essentials, but when it comes to interacting with the females - relax, dude. R-E-L-A-X. Associate with them with your mind at ease. You'll get a much better clarity that way 100% of the time.

[Boethius]

I would never say that many dont struggle with finances in Ukraine, but in general most make due, single moms and elderly of course are on the bad end of the scale, but in what country are they not?

Most Ukrainians are struggling.  I think most foreigners don't see this because they mingle with a different group, on the whole, in Ukraine. 

In my daily life, who do I mingle with?  Other professionals and business people.  All of them are in the top 1% in terms of income.  Do I see how the average person in my province lives daily?  Do I see their struggles?  No, I don't, other than homeless people.  And, I think this is what most foreigners see when they go to Ukraine.

The last time I was in Ukraine, I visited family in Western Ukraine.  I saw the elderly picking up wood next to the rivers, to burn as fuel in the winter.  Most of the houses in the village had no electricity.  It had been cut by the state, as the people had no money to pay their electricity bills.

In the neighbourhood my husband grew up in, there were five huge factories employing over 70,000 individuals before the collapse.  One factory is still in operation, the rest, everything of value was stolen on the collapse and the factories shuttered.  Walking through the neighbourhood, which is still a working class neighbourhood, you can talk to dozens of young men who are unemployed, hopeless, and angry about their future.  There were always stores there, even a market.  Now, they are all closed.  To buy anything other than bread and milk, one has to take a tram.  There is a sort of hopelessness, but at the same time, an undercurrent of anger.  1.5 million Ukrainians moved to Russia last year.  Poland is now controlling its border.  So, while people make do, it is not an easy life for most Ukrainians.

I disagree with Trench's statements on "cinder block apartment buildings".  It's pretty evident he hasn't been inside these homes.  There is a disrespect for common areas that didn't exist in communist times, but homes inside usually are cosy, and most people have upgraded their apartments since the collapse.  These apartments are no smaller than you see in other European cities.

[Trenchcoat]

  Yay, Boethius agrees with me, got this one right at least

[JayH]

No --you do not have it "right" and MrsB is not agreeing with you.

To add to my earlier comments -- across thread after thread you add your inane comments and people can hardly do otherwise than to reply.
I suggested some time ago that you should have your own thread and only in that thread comment ! At least then threads would have a chance to be about something other than you.

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Re: Hi! LadyfromBelarus in Minsk? opinions?
« Reply #29 on: Today at 02:32:49 PM »
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Quote from: Trenchcoat on Today at 12:16:54 PM
At the moment I have noticed a 25 year old hottie in Kiev, Ukraine, well it was a few week ago actually. I was looking to see if my last girlfriend had been online, she had (disloyal b*tch, lol) anyway in doing so there was a load of profile to other women that came up along with hers. That is when I noticed this new hottie she just struck out to me above all others, her face, her eyes, her hot bod wearing a nice short dress Its a pain as I really know theoretically I am better of with girls in their thirties as I want children plus I've done Ukraine/Kiev a fair bit now so a change would be nice. So what to do...

Dude you sound like a teenage virgin who just hit puberty... no she's not your "girlfriend" you never had one. (disloyal b***) grow up man you sound delusional.
none of the girls you met in Ukraine liked you romantically.  You can't even get a date in your own city.  I mean forget about age, you are striking out with women no matter how old they are.

I am beginning to think this guy is the biggest troll or so full of smoke up his arse that he's living in a fantasy world.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22241.msg470655;topicseen#msg470655

[Trenchcoat]

No --you do not have it "right" and MrsB is not agreeing with you.

To add to my earlier comments -- across thread after thread you add your inane comments and people can hardly do otherwise than to reply.
I suggested some time ago that you should have your own thread and only in that thread comment ! At least then threads would have a chance to be about something other than you.

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Re: Hi! LadyfromBelarus in Minsk? opinions?
« Reply #29 on: Today at 02:32:49 PM »
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Quote from: Trenchcoat on Today at 12:16:54 PM
At the moment I have noticed a 25 year old hottie in Kiev, Ukraine, well it was a few week ago actually. I was looking to see if my last girlfriend had been online, she had (disloyal b*tch, lol) anyway in doing so there was a load of profile to other women that came up along with hers. That is when I noticed this new hottie she just struck out to me above all others, her face, her eyes, her hot bod wearing a nice short dress Its a pain as I really know theoretically I am better of with girls in their thirties as I want children plus I've done Ukraine/Kiev a fair bit now so a change would be nice. So what to do...

Dude you sound like a teenage virgin who just hit puberty... no she's not your "girlfriend" you never had one. (disloyal b***) grow up man you sound delusional.
none of the girls you met in Ukraine liked you romantically.  You can't even get a date in your own city.  I mean forget about age, you are striking out with women no matter how old they are.

I am beginning to think this guy is the biggest troll or so full of smoke up his arse that he's living in a fantasy world.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22241.msg470655;topicseen#msg470655

These threads are not about me Jay, you could simply ignore my posts. Since you have nothing constructive to say. Perhaps you would like to start your own thread examining your lack of success to date and where you have gone wrong rather than just feeling frustrated at others.

[JayH]

1/Jay, you're just so aggressive and I'm not sure why, perhaps you are upset with your progress on this venture so far.

 2/My comments to Moby were not at all sick but an inquisitive inquiry into possible reasons behind he's thoughts.

3/ I've never talked of Ukraine in derogatory terms - I report back on what I see there - the people are poor and its a daily struggle for many off them to put food on the table and a roof over their heads. Many there do not shop for clothes they have not the money. I have not said this before but when I was in Kiev I met with a terp - a Ukrainian lady and she told me the same, she seemed genuine enough and a decent lady, though of course it really just backed up what I could see with my own eyes.

4/ I think if you come from a privileged situation as I think you probably do Jay in being able to fly all the way from Australia to Ukraine you can be oblivious to how things really are. I'm not too bad off now but when I was growing up my family was relatively poor, not as poor as some but still relatively poor. If you have had any experience of being poor you have something to relate to and can notice it more easily in others. Now I'm not talking about Ethiopian levels of poverty and starvation here just those having to work many hours if they can get it to afford food and rent. As even EM tells us few Ukrainians own their own place because of the poor economy, inflation issues and the rest, most rent so many in Ukraine are not far away from real means to survive issues - hence the dating industry, scammers, bad girls, etc. RW in his trip report told us his girl was not wealthy and she lived in Odessa and worked in the dating Industry messaging guys. How do you think it is for others that don't have this or another viable means of income available.

5/Perhaps you could tell us more about yourself Jay as despite your interjections here many of us know little about you and where you are coming from, aside from Australia How much time have you spent out in Ukraine or FSU as a single trip? for example.

1/-- that again shows how clueless you are and how little you understand what others write-- quite a few people know my situation

2/ No -they were and are offensive.If you can't see that it only serves to support my overall summary

3/  Nightwish already covered this . Basically-- you make comments where you have no first hand knowledge based on what you have read-- with little understanding or comprehension -- and then -- use that to somehow think you are doing fsuw a favour as you come to "save" them.

4/  Once again --you have no idea about what my exposure or background  is -yet you happily attempt to draw conclusions based on little or none information. You then go on once again  add material you have no first hand knowledge of and then-draw erroneous conclusion about.

5/  Some do no my story quite well --others will know parts of it that I have posted over a period of time.You are incapable of noticing details as you are too busy talking about yourself--or fawning over those that agree with you on some trivial point.
Many here have been overly tolerant of your inane comments-- 2T ,BB even MrsB -- and a procession of others that you then insult eg HDL ,moby  & lot's more.
I will answer one part for you--it is answered in previous discussion -- I have spent very close to the maximum allowed days in Ukraine each year and have done so for quite a few years now -- that equals closer  to a 1000 than it does to your total of 6 days ?( is it that many?) That is made up of many visits from a day to 3 months at a time.

I note Mrs B comments in post-- I have seen many parts of Ukraine( including Crimea prior to 2014) -- I have been many places very few would have -I have met a huge cross section of people -- and as such I am not a typical tourist.

[JayH]

These threads are not about me Jay, you could simply ignore my posts. Since you have nothing constructive to say. Perhaps you would like to start your own thread examining your lack of success to date and where you have gone wrong rather than just feeling frustrated at others.

As if anyone needed confirmation of what I said--  you have not even read the slightes thing the guy posted about himself-- it makes you look like the complete and utter dill you are.

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Re: Hi! LadyfromBelarus in Minsk? opinions?
« Reply #31 on: Today at 04:35:50 PM »

Sting you haven't even got on a plane to visit any girls in the FSU. Until you do you really have no idea about the situation with FSU dating. You have no experience upon which to make a judgement about my situation or others on here. Why don't you yell us more about yourself & your situation so you my learn more of what you need do when/if you get to date a FSW.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22241.new#new

For those that did not quite get my point--

Sting23

Re: Big city vs small town ladies?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 01:36:39 PM »
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Trench, I'm not like the typical guy here.  I was living and working in Moscow. I didn't just go over for a week or 2.  The women I met were through real life encounters not online.  Usually Russian friends' social circles.  And I'm young enough that the women I talked to are mid 20's-30's.  So it gave me insight as to how they thought.  Many had proper jobs in big Russian companies.  Not all were born in Moscow but came here for work.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22237.msg470317#msg470317

[Trenchcoat]

"I will answer one part for you--it is answered in previous discussion -- I have spent very close to the maximum allowed days in Ukraine each year and have done so for quite a few years now -- that equals closer  to a 1000 than it does to your total of 6 days ?( is it that many?) That is made up of many visits from a day to 3 months at a time.

I note Mrs B comments in post-- I have seen many parts of Ukraine( including Crimea prior to 2014) -- I have been many places very few would have -I have met a huge cross section of people -- and as such I am not a typical tourist."

Not your typical sex tourist then

Seriously Jay if you can't crack it in all that time then doesn't that say something about you. You need to look at yourself like I have done on here and try to understand your weaknesses. Maybe it is your personality, social skills, physical appearance, etc If you come across aggressive/arrogant as you do to me on here then you could be scaring a lot of them away. I know with your lengthy experience you think you should be wearing the expert cap and normally that would be the case but your lack of success and your lack of taking in the social environment around you suggest otherwise. I mean I noticed how poor many Ukrainians are on my first trip, Boethius substantiates this yet you seem oblivious to it all.   

[JayH]

Not your typical sex tourist then

Seriously Jay if you can't crack it in all that time then doesn't that say something about you. You need to look at yourself like I have done on here and try to understand your weaknesses. Maybe it is your personality, social skills, physical appearance, etc If you come across aggressive/arrogant as you do to me on here then you could be scaring a lot of them away. I know with your lengthy experience you think you should be wearing the expert cap and normally that would be the case but your lack of success and your lack of taking in the social environment around you suggest otherwise. I mean I noticed how poor many Ukrainians are on my first trip, Boethius substantiates this yet you seem oblivious to it all.

Once again-- you show your ignorance.
Funny how those you criticise want to come back to a point they think is hurtful --it illustrates how little you read or if you do read -you don't recall or comprehend. -it only confirms my original comments.

[Davo]

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[Sting23]

Yeah seems like Trench can't even read.  I don't post trip reports or the such because that was not my intention. I found this forum after I had already been in Russia and came back. 

There's a saying from the movie Rounders at the poker table: "If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour, then you are the sucker!"  Same could be said here.

[Trenchcoat]

Well, I think I know how to handle this one, I'll just day the certain classy section of society I exist in the girls all wear skirts/dresses i.e it's more expected to do so.

Well anyway, it's time for me to press on with my search so I won't be on here much for a few months. That and some of the crowd on here seem to be getting overly hostile to my presence. Appreciate the input of those over the pass few months who have made very constructive contributions particularly 2tallbill & BillyB it's been great to have you're input I'll update in a few months or so.

[msmob]

It is very pleasant and useful to read this. Thank you.

Madlen,

Pozhaluista, do not take ANYTHING this 'man' writes, seriously... 



 

[msmob]

My comments to Moby were not at all sick but an inquisitive inquiry into possible reasons behind he's thoughts.

Trench,

Need we add selective memory issues to your character traits ?

When you first appeared, I cut you some slack, but when you started advising others - based on your VERY limited experience with women - from any country - I advised you to stop misleading newbies..   


Your reaction was to question why my previous marriage failed..even though it was well-documented that I made HUGE mistakes on my part ! 

I noticed that when someone points out your latest howler - you felt the need to 'research' that poster and respond with a barbed comment - normally proving you don't check properly - rather than taking on board your mistake..

From Boethius 'being a man', your 'tact' the day a kitten of ours got got run over at the Dacha, to your latest suggestion that I must have fat daughters - hence a need to 'defend fatties' - you just keep on proving that you don't want to learn ..

Are those that keep pointing out your repeated  howlers, 'bullies' ?  No....

They just don't want new members thinking you are a 'typical guy' in this venture to find a FSU partner. 

In summary, if you really had posted an " inquisitive inquiry into possible reasons behind he's [his(?) ] thoughts" - you'd have had a reasoned response.....



 



 

[msmob]

Well anyway, it's time for me to press on with my search so I won't be on here much for a few months. That and some of the crowd on here seem to be getting overly hostile to my presence. Appreciate the input of those over the pass few months who have made very constructive contributions particularly 2tallbill & BillyB it's been great to have you're input I'll update in a few months or so.

What ?

Trench's comments over a very short period:

1/ I'm in a relationship with a Ukrainian woman

2/ I'm giving up on  FSU women and searching for 'not so local' British lasses

3/ it's time for me to press on with my search so I won't be on here much for a few months




When you do make up you mind, Good luck !

[JayH]

Quote from: JayH on Today at 04:08:15 PM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22204.new#new



This is a good example of what I was pointing out to Trenchcoat  in the link above     ie -- that he manages to divert the threads ( many of them)  into  a discussion of what HE POSTS!  Which as Moby is forced to point out again--it is mostly "BOLLOX"
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22241.new#new
To ML -- it diverts threads from the OP -- and it is a pia . The guy never learns-- no matter how often it is pointed out -he is dimply to dim to get it.

Above-- I attempted to direct the discussion on Trenchcoat into his thread where it was already in full swing .

Further-- my suggestion to all-- and particularly Trenchcoat --put all his posts in HIS thread -regardless of the topic . He will still draw responses from those that can be bothered -- but  --having every thread about him is a deterrent to others to post-- partly because most initially feel the rest of us are being "nasty" to him( or bulllying .




Quote from: Trenchcoat on Today at 04:35:50 PM
Sting you haven't even got on a plane to visit any girls in the FSU. Until you do you really have no idea about the situation with FSU dating. You have no experience upon which to make a judgement about my situation or others on here. Why don't you yell us more about yourself & your situation so you my learn more of what you need do when/if you get to date a FSW.

Quote from: Sting23 on Today at 08:40:09 PM
Trench I have lived and worked in Moscow twice for extended periods. Have dated Russian girls in my home city and abroad and probably have more Russian lady friends than you have total friends.  I speak basic Russian. 

You have made what, 2 or 3 week long trips to Ukraine and struck out with every woman you met there.  I though you came here looking for advice but apparently you just like to spout off nonsense.




Quote from: Trenchcoat on Today at 09:35:00 PM
That's not what your profile says, it says trips, none yet and looking 1-2 years. Perhaps you should change that instead of coming on here displayin your a novice in your profile so you can then step forward and say actually no I'm not, I'm actually an expert.


Quote from: msmob on Today at 09:50:50 PM
More Trench bollox

I started my search in my early forties and sought ladies in their mid to late thirties....  'desperate' is not an emotion I detected, then..

Whilst the ladies might have been single  - it was more often or not THEIR choice to have ended their marriage..

They were not looking to repeat their mistake


Trenchcoat responses -- again show (here and in other thread)  how shallow and lacking in comprehension he is . When he makes incorrect presumptions -- bases on avatar read out(   something he also did to me today and has done so previously -- to me and numerous others)  he fails to apologise-- but blame others !!


Quote from: ML on Today at 09:53:48 PM
Not that it's the most important thing in the world, but . . . the sidebar profiles could be expanded a bit.

For instance; Spouse's country?
Why not girlfriend, fiance, significant other, etc.
And number of trips; This can be misleading when  some trips may have been for something other than woman chasing.  So at least 2 subcategories are needed.
Also a line for total days in country.  This might be more meaningful than number of trips.
How about number of women met in total including half hour coffee meetings.
Then number of women went on date with that lasted for at least 4 hours.
There can be other categories and info.  Together a picture would be provided as to the actual experience of a poster.

I agree  that it does no explain much.
That said -- the general posts often flesh out information eg   Sting -- his explanation expansion is only a few days old and in a thread where Trenchcoat was posting --so really -- no excuse for not knowing that --instead --he lashes out in a way off beam attack !!

Lastly -- to Trenchcoat-- don't leave  -- but -- learn to ask questions and do some thinking about the responses. Stop regurgitating information or YOUR opinions gleaned from others. Stop placing so much stake on guys( 2 in particular) that have actually spent very little time on the ground over the last 5 years ( fwiw TC-not many more than you have-- they can advise you on being married and living in America no problem )
My last word TC -- my grandfather gave me this one -- "when you listen to yourself talking -there is only one thing you can learn" there is a punchline -- but not going to use it here because I will get quoted !

[msmob]

JayH

I'm struggling to understand - particularly in Beel's case - ( I personally find BillyB's 'alpha male' ideals to be a joke )  how his search for a partner are now not 'relevant' - because his search is done..

The principles of his search and present day on-going relationship - are highly relevant

[JayH]

Short answer -- some topics and things discussed are timeless -that is true & I agree.
Some are not-that is my point.
As another example in another place--it is full of yesterdays people with very little to say that is current.

In TC's case=he likes to take what he wants to hear -rather than get what others offer.
I could go on -- but my point is made -let's see if he can digest it!

FINIS

[Trenchcoat]

This is a good example of what I was pointing out to Trenchcoat  in the link above     ie -- that he manages to divert the threads ( many of them)  into  a discussion of what HE POSTS!  Which as Moby is forced to point out again--it is mostly "BOLLOX"

Jay, I will answer this one before I spend some time away on my search for a FSW. I do not divert threads, I contribute to them on topic and often add what I have found on it from my personal experience. Yes, my personal experience may be limited but it is relevant to many newbies posting here since it is what they have just encountered, currently encountering or likely to encounter.  From what I now see a lot of the FSU dating scene works in the same or similar way and common themes crop up, i.e girls that just want holidays or immigration, etc. The way I see it if these issues are more talked about and known and consequences examined then it can help many others not fall into the same trap and waste time and money. Others have helped me on here such as 2tallbill and BillyB, hell even Moby at times Some of what Boethius brings up I later reflect upon and agree that she was right on some off it. I agree with Moby that although 2tallbill & BillyB do not have experience of FSW search in the last few years (apart from those women BillyB kindly looked up for Forum members) their experience is not so long ago that it is out off date or lacking.

Faux Pas another forum member who you are no doubt aware of and used to post on here a while ago he's experience goes way back and I believe he has admitted so - back before Skype and back to a time in the nineties when it was all done by snale mail. He had used EM and recommended it to me nearly 2 years back now when I started this search proper. Now you can do worse than EM and back when he used it it was no doubt better than it was today. A newbie today though is probably better of than looking on EM, sure some still do alright by it but there are problems there that newbies won't necessarily pick up upon until too late. Hence this sort off time gap can be an issue, 2tallbill & BillyB's is not, essentially little has changed since they were successful, they spent years on the search and their sound reasoned points are as valid today as they was then.

I know your experience makes you feel like you should be wearing the expert cap on this forum Jay, but the point is you have not been successful yet and in any case you come across very hostile and often lacking any real response at all other than to try and tear down a poster. It seems that this is a trait most common to Australian Men on here, I'm glad I have never visited Australia if angst is all that can be encountered there. You have been in Ukraine 1000 days to my 10 days and yet you have been no more successful - doesn't that tell you something.

The main point is that rarely is it me that de-rails threads, it is you, I respond to OP and then you come and try to tear me down with the same old hackneyed drivel like above of me talking bollox, just wanting to hear what I want to hear, my past girls were a case of xxx, etc, and off course have no real other option than to reply to this which is of course not what the thread was about. I think you are so anxious to be the forum expert on here that you aggressively verbally attack any that hold an option on here on a given subject. This thread for example was about getting girls to wear short skirts & dresses but you take it as another chance to rant at me the same old tired accusations which are nothing at all to do with the thread. Anyway, enough said, its not me its you. I am off to try and make more of a success of this venture than you have, kind regards    

[Madlen]

Madlen,

Pozhaluista, do not take ANYTHING this 'man' writes, seriously...

Msmob, I can not  , because from the day of my birth I love men as class and I respect their opinions  .

According to Buddhist teachings, the woman is the secret of God, but the man is the FAVOURITE of God.
As you can see the male's rating is very high  .

When I saied to my good friend about it, he asked seriously:
   
-Do you mean, that God is gay?
-I think, no ). But you are favourite, it is more important ).

It was very funnily .

[ML]

Msmob, I can not  , because from the day of my birth I love men as class and I respect their opinions  .

According to Buddhist teachings, the woman is the secret of God, but the man is the FAVOURITE of God.
As you can see the male's rating is very high  .

When I saied to my good friend about it, he asked seriously:
   
-Do you mean, that God is gay?
-I think, no ). But you are favourite, it is more important ).

It was very funnily .

Madlen, nice to have a female here that seems to be reasonable; at least so far.

I am not being critical at all; but I will from time to time point out your English errors to help you improve.  If you don't want such; just let me know.

cannot is one word.
as a class  ( I know FSU folks have trouble with articles)
No such word 'saied.'  It is said.
his favorite.  (Note: favourite is the spelling used by low level UK et al folks)
very funny.

Best to you, ML

[Madlen]

ML, thank you . I agree  .

[Jumper]

ML, thank you . I agree  .

Madlen,  thanks for joining and sharing your insights.

The men here need all the FSU women insight they can get.

[Jumper]

If TC checks out for awhile ,
A pile of folks arnt going to know what to do with themselves! !!