Best of Intentions meet the Worst of Intentions

[Muj]

As far as looks, men consider a woman's looks a priority.  For women, men's "pretty" looks not so high on the list. He could do better by visiting her more and learning her true intentions.  Even if he was a poor catch physically and financially, no excuse for her heinous behaviour.

[Turboguy]

I agree engaged.  If you are not satisied with a man's looks or his financial condition stay where you are until one comes along you do like or go back rather than marry him.  The same applies the other way.  If you see red flags or lack of charcter don't propose and if she is here, bite the bullet and send her back rather than marrying her.

[Maxx2]

Gary has lost quite a bit of weight so he looks better now than in his wedding photos. Also he was 39 years old when he met her, she 40.

Also he had posted his profile and photo and never made first contact with any women. What would happen is allot of super model types from their early to mid twenties would contact him. According to Gary he learned that these "women" were just photos that Gary's wife (who worked at the agency) would send him with their (her) encouraging e-mails. IMO she seen his polite "no thank you's" sent to them (her) and started sizing him up for a mule suit.

Maxx

[Muj]

Max,

Seems Gary focused too hard on the "cookbook" of marriage stats.  Older woman, with a kid, average looks.  He didnt focus enough on his actual wants or his actual perceptions of her. 
Other than some extraordinary reason, wife sleeps with me not kid.     

[Maxx2]

He went in trusting and not looking at her like she could be a potential scammer. He reasoned (like I did) that he was giving her his love and a good and secure life and she would be happy with this. She kept her ambitions of being a millionare and living in a "good State near the ocean" to herself. He knew that she wanted her daughter to be a model and figured she would be pleased with him by helping her to achieve this goal. They were married 16 days after she got here but before that Gary brought her and her daughter to a photo shoot for the daughter's modeling portfolio. I got a post-it note in Elena's handwriting where she has written $10,000,000 on it as one of her goals..... 

Maxx

[Muj]

She falls into the category of foriegners who consider any American not a millionaire lazy or stupid.  My cousin was a model in Cosmo as well as commercials for a big agency, she never made $10M,  not even $1M.  This woman's perceptions were just idiotic.

[Maxx2]

One of her goals was to make $100,000 a month income by help running a marriage agency. "The money is going to flow through my account like a Golden River" she wrote. She wrote "1,000,000$ by the summer of 2005". Instead she worked 4 to 6 hours a day in a department store hanging up "fat people's clothes" and complaining they were too heavy to lift. The problem with finding a wife via the MOB route is who could imagine this stuff ever happening much less figure ways to detect this type of future nonsense? Gary figured she lived in a 200 square foot two room apartment and would be happy with his 1500 square foot house. He just wasn't counting on the need to be a multimillionare and buy a mansion overlooking the ocean. 

Maxx

[TexasBoar]

I just gotta say . . . I think this is some of the scariest sh!t I've ever read. 

~Boar

[Frank]

All I can say is Gary seems like a very straightforward guy who had nothing but good intentions.  We can all disect what he did or did not do, but it will not change anything.  When ever a guy meets a EU woman, he has to either accept her as he see's her or decline.  Some guys are willing to let flaws pass by them because they see good in people.  Can anyone give difinitive advice on how to steer clear of a train wreck?  It's impossible to know another persons mind.  At some point, you have to step out in faith.  Some of us end up getting our feet run over, some don't. 

I like Gary's OCC shirt and would love to show him mine   He's got more class than his ex could ever dream of.

Frank

[Maxx2]

Frank, I have gotten to know Gary in person and I can say he is a class act. He is the kind of person who will drive a 100 miles to help someone out he barely knows. He did that for me when my truck broke down in his part of the country. He said to me he wonders if Elena will ever come to the realization she had the best thing with him as no other man would help her or love her as he did. This is a very stupid women in my opinion and has a very poor value system even though she measures it in the 10's millions of dollars 

Maxx

[franklloyd]

WARNING:

The depths of treachery that some women are capable of is impossible to comprehend or anticipate, especially for a good-hearted guy like myself, Maxx, Gary, or other victims of some hot-but-heartless bee-otch, AW or FSUW.

In my case, I was just barely old enough and wise enough to keep my heart and wallet from getting completely ripped out. My heartless bee-otch former fiancee was unable to maintain her act well enough or long enough to see her plot through. I dumped her about halfway through our K-1 approval, five months after our engagement. With Maxx's help and his referral to Elena Garrett at www.russian-detective.com, I survived and am now happily married to an ethical RW. With a prenup.

Looking back on it about 2.5 years later, some fill-in-the-blanks bits of information have trickled in. I believe that my ex-fiancee's plan had three variations:

1) $imple $cam: have her rich American boyfriend (me) take her on fancy vacations and buy her and her son fancy gifts for 8 months until the fiancee visa was approved, then dump me.

2) Big $core $cam: conspire with her ex-husband to hold her 3-year old son hostage for a large cash payout (1,000,000 rubles or $35,000 was mentioned) to sign the papers to let her son out of Russia, get the cash, dump me/disappear and never come to USA.

3) $uper mon$ter $core $cam: do version #2; bank the cash payoff with her ex-hubby, come to USA, possibly get pregnant/have a kid with me (or somebody she cheated with and say it was mine) and run any combination of marriage the DV + divorce extortions on me for a settlement in the $500K range, plus child support, with or without a prenup.

Her failure to make an honest attempt to learn any english in 4 months, excessive drinking that showed up out of nowhere on my 3rd visit in 4 months, and loss of sexual interest on that last trip were all the red flags that I needed to investigate and dump her after the investigation showed her to be a two-faced, unfaithful, lying bee-otch.

My advice: don't marry ANYBODY (AW or FSUW) without spending whatever it takes ($1000-$5000; I spent $2000) to have your fiancee, her family, exes, friends and associates thoroughly investigated. Best money I ever spent!!

If you have two nickels to rub together or any future earning power, spend the necessary dinero (mine cost $6000) on the most bullet-proof prenup that money can buy. Get a good lawyer for you, a better lawyer for her, with Russian-speaking staff/interpreters, and get it started at least a couple of months before the wedding to minimize the "I signed under duress" issue. Don't be cheap, don't be stupid.

After reading these horror stories, you must be CRAZY not to protect yourself to the MAX. As Reagan often said "Trust, but verify!!!".

Good luck to all, because you will need it.

Franklloyd

[Maxx2]

Good to hear from you Frank. I hope Marina is doing well.

Olga may have gotten to stage #3 if she had a bit more self discipline. Usually they do not become deliberately pregnant. The worst is when they ally themselves with other RW here. Then together these women work with a woman's shelter. The RW "friends" will say or do anything to cause trouble. The women's shelter knows the unethical but legal methods that they can use so they instruct these ladies. What follows next is to set the guy up on easy to get misdemeanor charges with a protective order (PO). Then try and get him to break the PO by having the wife lurer him back to her with pleas for "reconciliation" sometimes followed by sex. If the guy goes to his wife they got him on a stalking charge and breaking a PO. If he has sex with her they got him on spousal rape. Usually during this whole time a guy is not thinking too straight so doing dumb things is very common.  All this is followed by lawsuits that do not go well for the AM. As far as the judges and juries are concerned they are dealing with another Indle King.

Maxx

[Frank]

Hey Maxx,

Marina is doing well.  This is one of her lucid moments   Maybe, it will last all day?

The best advice I could give any man with a GCG situation is to dump and run.  Stay away and don't ever go back.  Pretend you are in the witness protection program and start a new life.  I don't mean to quit your job and move away from your community.  I mean to sever yourself from the GCG and her friends.  If you see her coming..........RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There is no way to win.  Just cut your losses and move on. 

Frank

[Maxx2]

Amazing two Marina's with two Franks.

That is good advice Frank. I would also document in someway that you are making a real effort to stay away from her. Also it is best she doesn't even know where you are on your non-work hours. That way there is less of a chance of her/them setting you up. "Paranoia" in this case is nothing more than a heightened sense of awareness to the danger. It's  the guys who are not "paranoid" and who hold their ground that get in trouble.

Maxx

[Frank]

Maxx,

What better way to mix everyone up.  Everyone here is named frank and all have wives with the name Marina.  That would really mix up some of these RW.

[catzenmouse]

I wonder if Dan can change all of our usernames to Frank and have all ladies names automatically changed to Marina, we can all have rotating avatars of the Three Stooges and any name used in the posts would rotate between the first names of the Stooges. We'd never know who we were talking to. Wouldn't that make the fights interesting! 

[franklloyd]

Franklloyd here. The Architect from Seattle. With a lovely wife, Marina. And an ex-fiancee, Olga.

My real name had previously been redacted. It's Jeffrey. Just don't call me Jeff.

Frank is the only true Frank. From Oregon. With a lovely wife, Marina.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!

[Frank]

You guys are funny   Really, my wife isn't named Marina.  For some reason, I thought Maxx was sending me some sort of message.  I just screwed up, but it's pretty funny.

Frank

[Maxx2]

The woman is out of the guy's league

Gary wasn't looking for a beauty queen and/or a much younger woman. In fact she is older than he. Gary could have done better and deserved better.

Maxx

[acrzybear]

YIKES!!!!!

  Maybe it's the photography, but she just looks evil.

[prince_alfie]

Okay, whose mug shot is that?  Looks like a driver's license perhaps.

[Phil dAmore]

YIKES!!!!!

  Maybe it's the photography, but she just looks evil.

My sentiments exactly.  That woman looks like trouble from a mile away. 

And the pictures of her tart daughter pretty much cemented it for me.  I'd avoid that pair like they were enriched plutonium

[prince_alfie]

I saw red flags in her eyes...
 

[Durk]

          THAT'S A PHOTO???  YIKES :hairraising: :hairraising: :hairraising:     
     If that is a drivers license photo I will keep mine. Thankyou very much!!

[Ste]

My sentiments exactly.  That woman looks like trouble from a mile away. 

And the pictures of her tart daughter pretty much cemented it for me.  I'd avoid that pair like they were enriched plutonium

What's with the plutoniumist issues Phil? I have a bar of the stuff under my bed, makes me glow man, yeah glow. Phil, it's full of stars.....

I've had three Duvel's!

Ste