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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2018, 06:01:17 PM »
:P I never met Russians among my students but many Ukrainians. Guess what? I don't need to ask about their status, it's obvious - asylum. During breaks they talk about how better to milk government getting food stamps and free apartments.... and how to organize their Hawaiian vacations.


There's a distinct difference between asylum v refugees. The last large flux of refugees, prior to present time, happened at the last years of president Reagan during the fall of USSR. Urkainians, Belarussians, Russians, Armenians, etc...


Yes, I also agree with you, and know who people who came from that program are still on the government dole (i.e taxpayers'). They know all the tricks and trades in how to continue getting their government provisions.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2018, 07:26:10 PM »
Well, sounds like they are still letting them in as refugees. Interesting article about Ukrainians having an edge for refugee status under religion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html

30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.







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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2018, 08:43:25 PM »

There's a distinct difference between asylum v refugees. The last large flux of refugees, prior to present time, happened at the last years of president Reagan during the fall of USSR. Urkainians, Belarussians, Russians, Armenians, etc...

Almost all of those refugees were Soviet Jews, or their non Jewish family members. They started emigrating in the mid 1970ís.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2018, 09:58:55 PM »
Well, sounds like they are still letting them in as refugees. Interesting article about Ukrainians having an edge for refugee status under religion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html

30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.


WOW, I was even more wrong than I thought.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2018, 11:22:29 PM »

Yes, I also agree with you, and know who people who came from that program are still on the government dole (i.e taxpayers'). They know all the tricks and trades in how to continue getting their government provisions.


My oldest sister and her 3 daughters and the two generations after them (They have children when in their mid-teens) are all on the dole. It irritates the hell out of me on all the hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of taxpayer dollars they have gotten over the past 40 years. One of the irritants is a government paid for education that is never completed or used. Or they are in and out of each others pockets. All the stupid things they do like working a part time government job and not informing SSI (Social Security for those who can't work) then getting caught having their monthly benefits cut until they pay back Social Security. While my mother was alive they mooched off of her. Took by "borrowing" every dollar she made from her seamstress business. Here is a 80 year old woman working hard providing a service and along comes her granddaughters to take practically every dollar she made. My mother was too softhearted to say, "No." Then the worst part is they have illegal aliens and gangbangers boyfriends. Good luck on collecting child support from them! One of them tried. He was either a Vice Lord or Gangsta Disciple. She had to flee to some small town in North Eastern Wisconsin where there was a shelter waiting for her and her 3 children. They breed young. I am 64 years old and I have great grand nieces and nephews. How many generations is that? The big problem is not requiring these people to work.


Yet, these are the kindest people in my family.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2018, 11:56:02 PM »
I read some stuff about agencies for visas in the forums. The threads were old so it said make a new one.  Seems to me in every country -- including the USA -- you can pay to get what you are looking for. 



Ages ago when I was going to Russia I needed a invitation letter and send my passport the Russian embassy in the US. I think Seattle WA. There was a fee for extra fast service. For an invitation letter there was a site called GotoRussia that made everything easy for a fairly low price. I just checked and I see this.


http://www.gotorussia.com

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2018, 12:17:24 AM »

Ages ago when I was going to Russia I needed a invitation letter and send my passport the Russian embassy in the US. I think Seattle WA. There was a fee for extra fast service. For an invitation letter there was a site called GotoRussia that made everything easy for a fairly low price. I just checked and I see this.


http://www.gotorussia.com


Max, you do know the OP was asking about ways to get a visa for girl to come to USA?
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2018, 01:59:54 AM »


http://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/26/us/ukrainian-christian-refugees.html

30% of Christian refugees admitted into the US were Ukrainian.



Article says 100,000 Ukrainians living in or near where I live. I've seen that number before. It's amazing how many people find God when a visa is involved.
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Re: I was wrong
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2018, 02:47:45 AM »
I must admit that I was wrong in my above statement.
My first mistake was to use the word asylum when I meant to use the word refugee.
My second mistake was to go by past knowledge and not update my  knowledge.
Your THIRD mistake was the double negative (And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.) ;D.
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Re: I was wrong
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2018, 03:16:57 AM »
Your THIRD mistake was the double negative (And NO Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.) ;D.

No, Sandro - he was actually correct, but forgot the punctuation (unusual for ML).

It should read:

And NO - Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2018, 07:44:10 AM »
Anyone specifically know what all this moral turpitude business is with US visa and the Ukrainian petitioner.  I understand something like murder. 

What about something like distribution of pornography (someone found naked pictures) and theft (the person who put the pictures on the internet -- distributed) somehow had their computer lifted and then thrown out a window. 

Overall this seems pretty minor.  Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now -- I'm getting the official report to see how it reads. 

I'm pretty sure if I had something on my record like this, if it wasn't child porn, i'd be fine as petitioner.  At least that's how I read the rules.  Just wondering how this works in FSU.  It all stinks of bullshit to me, but only have the one perspective.

And please, lets not focus on 'there's 1000 women' or 'cart before the horse' I'm asking for real help here and trying not to ramble.  The charges themselves make no difference to me either way.  I could care less.  I have my trip booked for Feb 11, so I'd like to know if there's something I should do when I'm there assuming things go well.

If this means I need to do a petition for reunification (marry before moving) or fiance that's a big deal.  If it's just a blip and an extra couple months clarification on the I-129F then that's fine. 

thanks for the help.

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Re: I was wrong
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2018, 10:04:59 AM »
No, Sandro - he was actually correct, but forgot the punctuation (unusual for ML).

It should read:

And NO - Ukrainians cannot apply for asylum.


Thanks Kiwi.  I was about to say the same as a response to Sandro, but then saw that you had already done it.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2018, 10:22:31 AM »
Anyone specifically know what all this moral turpitude business is with US visa and the Ukrainian petitioner.  I understand something like murder. 

What about something like distribution of pornography (someone found naked pictures) and theft (the person who put the pictures on the internet -- distributed) somehow had their computer lifted and then thrown out a window. 

Overall this seems pretty minor.  Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now -- I'm getting the official report to see how it reads. 


Theft is a crime of moral turpitude. The American is the petitioner. It could cause an issue, but does not seem major.




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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2018, 02:28:13 PM »
And please, lets not focus on 'there's 1000 women' or 'cart before the horse' I'm asking for real help here and trying not to ramble. 


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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2018, 02:47:46 PM »

Max, you do know the OP was asking about ways to get a visa for girl to come to USA?

Through the Mexican border  ;D I remember one story from the other forum - the bride spent a couple of days in a prison, but ... happy end...

One Ukrainian couple from my students used the same way. No matter, the wife and 2 kids spent a week in immigration prison, they were lucky - it was just a week, they were not separated and not killed. Now everything is fine, the family gets food stamps and subsidized housing, husband works for cash... looks enough money to pay for Disneyland for holidays...

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2018, 04:04:10 PM »

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Theft is a crime of moral turpitude. The American is the petitioner. It could cause an issue, but does not seem major.



The american does not have the charges.  The Ukrainian does.  Theft was not listed as an example so much as Robbery. 

I hope it's not a big deal.  I have a DUI from like 10 years ago, but other than that I"m clean.  The way she tells the story some chick she new as a hater and threw some pictures up on the internet.  She grabbed the computer or something.  I don't know exactly.  This gets into a nuance of language that is beyond our skills .

She's also not been convicted, so hopefully this has not hit the record yet?  Any advice is appreciated besides vague Russian warnings about crossing fords or something.  Not very helpful.


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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2018, 04:15:35 PM »
Itís not Russian and not about fjords. Google wonít translate it for you. Itís about not understanding what youíre wading into.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2018, 04:39:41 PM »
Itís not Russian and not about fjords. Google wonít translate it for you. Itís about not understanding what youíre wading into.

Don't know how to cross the river, don't get in the water. Or something close to this.
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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2018, 07:00:30 PM »
The american does not have the charges.  The Ukrainian does.  Theft was not listed as an example so much as Robbery. 

She's also not been convicted, so hopefully this has not hit the record yet?  Any advice is appreciated besides vague Russian warnings about crossing fords or something.  Not very helpful.


Medical and police records are not accounted for very well in Ukraine. Even if found nothing a few bucks to the locals wont solve.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2018, 12:23:38 PM »
Also case is still pending resolution -- going on 3 years now --


Missed this. I think they only pull the police record 3 years back so may not matter.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2018, 04:03:43 PM »
yeah, not a lot of responses, so it's a dodgy subject I guess.  i was thinking the same thing alex.  We'll see. She's supposed to get the police report back next week.  I did some marginal searching on the pornography thing and basically it's like a blanket crappy unenforceable yet very convenient way for them to mess with you. They got headlines for it's vagueness.  it's basically just a morality rule made to fine people if they want to fine them. 

Story is something like her (ex) friend got mad because of a boy and knew someone at the police, they picked her up, tried to scare her, put her in overnight then let her go.  The charges are because of some naked pictures they found on her computer that this chick distributed via facebook or something.  I mean if it was USA, not even a charge here. 

The other thing is not really theft, just some guy said she took her laptop home from work and never gave it back.  But he's shady.  Who knows, but I don't think anything will come of it. 

She's basically saying that there are 2 police reports attached to her, but there's no convictions or anything.  I'll see what comes out of the official police report, but it's good for a year so if she's clean I have to think she's probably fine.  Or maybe a few bucks when I visit if this is something I'm going to pursue.  It's just very scary for her because the wording is so vague.

Thanks for help!

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2018, 04:20:55 PM »
I know for a fact you can pay off the local hospital and police departments in Ukraine. It has been done.


I think there are anti porn laws in Ukraine. Not very versed on that though.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2018, 02:27:47 PM »
K1 process is not bad.  Fee is $535. 

There are plenty of places in Kyiv that will help you get a visa though (tourist visa to USA).  They provide the girl with fake documents, bank statements and housing related, so they will get approved.   They know that gets approved and what doesn't and tells the people what to say.  This is not 10-yr deal though so the place you mention is probably not legit.

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Re: Kiev Agencies for Visa
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2018, 11:32:43 AM »
I'm curious about what you say about overstaying and locking down.  Is there more information about this somewhere?  I am pretty newbie about all of this.

it's much easier to apply for a K1 visa than to spoil the story. K1 takes time, but works reliably

 

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