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Offline PeeWee

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2006, 12:25:20 PM »
Unless I missed something along the way, Wiz lived in Greece, and you haven't lived in Czechoslovakia. See the difference?

Yes, but no matter the reason it is not a meeting in her native city and that was what my comment was directed toward. Czech Republic by the way.




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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2006, 12:59:02 PM »
I see the difference Jet.  I also see the similarites.   Wiz has not had a chance to meet her family.  He has not had a chance to meet her friends.  He has not had a chance to see what her life is like there.  I don't think there is anything wrong with a meeting in Greece or one on the Czech Republic.  I think it might be wise for Wiz to make a visit to her home town before he decides to start the K-1 process but otherwise I would rather be in Greece or the Czech Rep than in Russia if I had the choice.

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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2006, 02:31:33 PM »
I see the difference Jet.  I also see the similarites.   Wiz has not had a chance to meet her family.  He has not had a chance to meet her friends.  He has not had a chance to see what her life is like there.  I don't think there is anything wrong with a meeting in Greece or one on the Czech Republic.  I think it might be wise for Wiz to make a visit to her home town before he decides to start the K-1 process but otherwise I would rather be in Greece or the Czech Rep than in Russia if I had the choice.

That is somewhat what I had alluded to. The cry is that you must meet her in her native city. My comment was directed to that and I think that is what Jet misunderstood. In other words, no matter where we travel and why that the destination is not to  her native city. Hence the impending reproach.

Wiz is a dang smart guy. He has a plan and like me he is working it his way.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2006, 02:47:47 PM »
I was not "busting on" Wiz or Peewee, just explaining the difference in the amount of flak  ;).
Hell, I met Lil the first time in London (along with breaking 8 other of the 10 commandments) though in retrospect, the disaster potential was QUITE high, hence a don't recommend others follow the path I took...
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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2006, 02:48:27 PM »
If I understood correctly Wiz has already met his lady in person and the lady paid her own way.. she is not a PenPal being sent money and/or tickets.

Sorry wiz..

Back on track..  mentioned in another thread that on the rare occasions when we have had a minor dispute, the dreaded silent treatment may follow.. but only for a limited time. Maybe it's one of thos superstitions like shaking hands across the threshold.. resentments usually do not survive the next sunrise.

Another refreshing aspect. 

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2006, 03:11:31 PM »
I was not "busting on" Wiz or Peewee, just explaining the difference in the amount of flak  ;).
Hell, I met Lil the first time in London (along with breaking 8 other of the 10 commandments) though in retrospect, the disaster potential was QUITE high, hence a don't recommend others follow the path I took...

LOL!! The flack scale. I too think the disaster potential is high but here is how I see it. This is a first date and it may not go further than that. I do not want to visit a 40C temp city in Russia that has nothing, other than the lady, to offer to me. She wants a break, I want a break...what a great place to meet and to take a break like Greece or Prague would be. I had thought about Greece a RW friend of mine just returned from there and all she could tell me is that the Greeks were most kind to her. If I survive the first meeting then I am on my way to the second one which will be in her native city. But the weather has to cooperate with me.

I do want to visit Greece, and Wiz is a lucky dog in my estimation for that reason. I am looking forward to his trip report. 

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2006, 03:17:46 PM »
If I understood correctly Wiz has already met his lady in person and the lady paid her own way.. she is not a PenPal being sent money and/or tickets.

Sorry wiz..

Back on track..  mentioned in another thread that on the rare occasions when we have had a minor dispute, the dreaded silent treatment may follow.. but only for a limited time. Maybe it's one of thos superstitions like shaking hands across the threshold.. resentments usually do not survive the next sunrise.

Another refreshing aspect. 

Regarding resentments...as they should, BC.

Regarding sending money tickets. You do realize that if a ticket is purchased with a credit card that the money is not lost if she does not travel nor can it be exchanged for cash. I would wager that most guys are going to send a ticket for her to travel rather then her paying her own way. Wiz is fortunate in that regard. But what I do know is that one time I caught holy hell for not offering to pay for the groceries at the Russian market when my friend was buying food to fix for dinner. I will pay for everything from there on as a result of it.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2006, 03:42:18 PM »
Wiz,

The best advice I can give is to make sure you share a vision of the future. 

Everyone has individual priorities and the majority of these have to be met on both sides to sustain a long term relationship.  Can you find your dream woman? (i.e some one who fits ALL your requirements exactly)  I think not.  Some level of compromise has to be negotiated.

What are the deal breaking issues?  You MUST agree on these.  Honesty and integrity were the top criteria on my list; trust and stability for my wife. Kids and career came after that.  All couples have there own issues.  It is important to discuss them.

Both of you must also agree to change and evolve.  SoC has posted a lot on this.  It is a difficult but normal process IMHO.  I posted that my wife and I were like "Two rocks in a tumbler" for the first year.  We wore the jagged edges off each other's personalities...

Building a successful bi cultural marriage is difficult.  Way more difficult than building a marriage with the "girl next door".  IMHO the process begins with respect and understanding of each others culture.  There will be heaps of misunderstanding, culture shock, isolation etc. along the way.  You both have to be flexible.


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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2006, 04:39:07 PM »
So what specific aspects of the FSU ladies character that differs from women in your homeland particularly took you down this road?

I like the physical features of slavic looking women and they're more feminine.
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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2006, 07:49:15 AM »
Ok I will try to answer all the comments made so far by most of you:

First let me tell you that when I was living in Greece, in 1970, I met my ex English wife and we lived together for 10 years so I know how difficult is to match and accommodate the 2 different cultures. From 1984 till 6 years ago I had an English girlfriend, never married her and we lived most of the time together, we are still good friends.

When I made up my mind to look seriously for an FSU woman, a year ago, I made a plan and try to execute it like you will do with a business plan. I do not limit my meetings to one woman only and I only talk to those ones who speak good English. As you know from my travel report on the 23 June I went to Kiev and met another woman for 5 days but I was not impressed with her apart from having a good shag, starting from the first night. Of course she is meeting other men too ( I knew about that) and she told me that she does not hesitate to have sex with them if she likes them. So you know the answer to that! Dosfidania.

Olga contacted me first and we had a very long communication (8 months) before we met in Kos, last June. Yes I am lucky that Olga is working for a department that pays her good money and she can afford to pay for her tickets and holidays. That is what happened with our trip in Kos but I paid for everything else.

With that in mind if we decide in the future to get married then I will know that she only wants me for the person that I am and not my passport or the money I don’t have!

She is fully aware of my financial position, a poor pensioner, and I keep secret from her my small Greek bonus, a house there worth at least 200K dollars and also the land I own in a few places.

In a previous post I said: “It was a common decision during the summer to enjoy holiday breaks in Greece because she definitely needs a good rest and we are both away from our normal environment. That give us the opportunity to get to know each other better, been 24/7 together, without the every day distractions of life in Russia or UK. That will come later”

Our Original plan was to meet again in October in Kos and then I will visit her in Russia.

Meanwhile we have been talking everyday on the phone and she started complaining that she is very tired and needs a holiday soon and that she miss me a lot. She suggested we go for a holiday in Turkey, Antalya because she does not need a Visa BUT I persuaded her to go to Greece. This is part of my plan and you will understand later why and of course I did not tell her the reason for that.

Olga had to relinquish her previous passport, where she had many Visas and stamps when traveling and working abroad for the Government. Her new passport has only 1 (short 3 weeks) Shegen visa to Greece and I want her to build up the numbers. In October we plan that she will visit the Greek consulate and ask for a Visa to travel independent to Kos, because it would cost her much cheaper to buy a flight there, around 300 Euro, and in Kos I have my own Free accommodation. This time, visiting Corfu, it was impossible to do it because of the Greek Consulate work load and also they were moving building so she booked a package holiday and I am joining her in Corfu on the same day of her arrival.

Please do not forget that this is the second meeting and early days. Of course part of my plan is to visit her, meet friends and family and see her during her daily working life.

Later of course I hope that she will come and visit me for long period in UK, so she can see and taste life here etc.

As you know I live in England and I have a British and Greek Passports therefore in the future, when I find the right woman, I am planning to avoid all the difficulties of marrying her in Russia or UK and getting a fiancé visa, because No 1 is very difficult to get one and No 2 if she gets one they will give her only 2 years and then she has to renew it until she is 5 years here and THEN she can apply for a British Passport. That is no good for me and her because having a Russian or a Ukrainian passport every time we want to travel somewhere in Europe she will need to have another Shegen Visa. So I have a better solution and much easier.

If and when we make the decision to get married we will travel to Greece, where as you must realise by now she has build many Visas and easy to get another one for a month or possibly a multiple entry one for a year.

Of course we will have all the necessary papers ready and there we will get married. Then we will apply for a Greek Passport under her New Greek Name and that will take a maximum of one month. Once she has the Greek Passport then she can come and join me in the UK, register and get her National Insurance Number, with the Doctors etc. She can also visit any other country in the EU without a Visa and also Ukraine.

One thing I have not investigated yet is if the Russian Government allows her to have Dual Nationality. If they don’t then I am sure we can get a 5 year multiple entry Visa for her to visit family and friends.

Leslie my friend.

I said in one of my previous posts that at my age I have only one opportunity to get it right therefore I will take my time before I ask anybody to marry me.

Talking to Olga, daily, I have come to the conclusion that she is very clever, intelligent, and several times she has surprised me talking and apologizing for the mistakes she made in Kos, which I did mentioned in my travel report.

She has been very surprised with my honesty and openness talking freely about everything personal to her and not hiding anything and now she accepted that openness and honesty between us is the best way to create a good relationship. Without forcing her and on her own accord she has told me everything about her personal life and every day she surprises me of how easy she finds to talk freely with me. Her English improving very fast and by the time she comes to visit me in the UK she will be fluent and will take her, in my view, a very short time for her ear to tune up to the English Accent. Actually her writing is very good, better than her verbal conversation.

BTW she always asks my opinion about everything important and when I reply, “do what ever you think is right”, she keeps telling me that you are the man and you make the decisions. Is that Good or bad? I don’t know and we will see how it puns out!

I can assure you that she has a very strong character too but I have no problem with that as I like strong women.

One thing I don’t know is what it will happen when time comes to make a decision to move here? That is one subject that she is refusing to talk about at the moment.

I hope I have answered to all your questions and if you see that I am doing something wrong please tell me, I will not be offended.

Yes Billy B

I do also like the physical features and feminine side of the Slavic women!  ;D




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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2006, 08:18:42 AM »
Wiz, your thoughts and game plan is close to mine which means that we both may be heading in the wrong direction. It just seems to me that we are both somewhat bright and we both have a life time of life experiences to guide us. In our minds we should be successful. If not then our logics and our life experiences have not taught us correctly.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2006, 08:32:39 AM »
Wiz, your thoughts and game plan is close to mine which means that we both may be heading in the wrong direction. It just seems to me that we are both somewhat bright and we both have a life time of life experiences to guide us. In our minds we should be successful. If not then our logics and our life experiences have not taught us correctly.

Peewee 

ONLY time can tell if we are wrong!

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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2006, 08:38:45 AM »

One thing I have not investigated yet is if the Russian Government allows her to have Dual Nationality. If they don’t then I am sure we can get a 5 year multiple entry Visa for her to visit family and friends.


Just a side note

Unless the Greek government requires her to relenquish her RU citizenship officially at the RU Consulate there is no way anyone can really say anything or even notice.  If she has property, forthcoming pension, business in RU it's probably best that she also maintains propiska (residence) there.

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« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2006, 08:47:45 AM »
Just a side note

Unless the Greek government requires her to relinquish her RU citizenship officially at the RU Consulate there is no way anyone can really say anything or even notice.  If she has property, forthcoming pension, business in RU it's probably best that she also maintains propiska (residence) there.


As far as I know the Greek Government allows you to have dual nationality. Myself and my ex-British wife have 2 passports and we still use them for legal purpose.

My son's also have British and Greek Passports.

Yes she has property and a pension coming.......

Thanks BC

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2006, 08:55:15 AM »
Yes, BC is quite correct.  This goes for AM married to RWs as well.  After the RW achieves American citizenship, she keeps her Russian or Ukrainian passport.  When she travels to Russia, she used the Russian passport, coming home she uses the blue one.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2006, 09:44:16 AM »
wiz,

It sounds like the Greek Government is pretty broad minded.  If she's married to a Greek national, is she automatically entitled to Greek citizenship?  It used to be that way here, marriage to a USC automatically conferred citizenship, but things have changed over the past 50-60 years or so.  Now it is a hassle beyond belief to get a spouse into the country legally.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2006, 10:55:09 AM »
You are right jb.  Make it simple and it is hard to charge much of a fee.

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Re: What specific aspects?
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2006, 11:47:00 AM »
wiz,

It sounds like the Greek Government is pretty broad minded.  If she's married to a Greek national, is she automatically entitled to Greek citizenship?  It used to be that way here, marriage to a USC automatically conferred citizenship, but things have changed over the past 50-60 years or so.  Now it is a hassle beyond belief to get a spouse into the country legally.

As far as I know and from what I read on the official site.......it is still the same as when I Married my 1st who had her passport in 2 days........then a friend was working at the local passport office so we jumped the que a little bit without breaking the law!

My son in L.A had his in 1 hour from the consulate.......of course I made sure he had all the correct documents ready....and told him to smile and speak Greek.

I will have another check again when I am in Greece to make sure everything is ok.

 

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