The US, Iran and Russian thread

[2tallbill]

Netanyahu: Iran Nuclear Deal Is Based on Lies – Here's the Proof

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/pm-expected-to-reveal-how-iran-cheated-world-on-nuke-program-1.6045300

[2tallbill]

Despite warmth, Angela Merkel and Donald Trump still differ on trade and Iran nuclear deal

http://www.firstpost.com/world/despite-warmth-angela-merkel-and-donald-trump-still-differ-on-trade-and-iran-nuclear-deal-4448799.html

[2tallbill]

Will Russia provide the 'new Kissinger' for Iran-Israel diplomacy?

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/04/russia-provide-new-kissinger-iran-israel-diplomacy-syria.html#ixzz5EC6Qthhi

[2tallbill]

Russia ramps up pressure on Trump to honor Iran nuclear deal
http://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-macron-intl/index.html

[tfcrew]

Netanyahu: Iran Nuclear Deal Is Based on Lies – Here's the Proof

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/pm-expected-to-reveal-how-iran-cheated-world-on-nuke-program-1.6045300

Told everyone so...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=19783.0

Most are not aware of the 'Sunset Clause' in the deal...After a few more years, the Iranians are no longer obligated to comply with the restrictions and can do whatever.
Now, the Iranians deny the existence of a sunset clause.
Figures...they'll do what they want anyway.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Iran-says-there-is-no-sunset-clause-in-nuclear-deal-543359

[DaveNY]

Told everyone so...

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=19783.0

Most are not aware of the 'Sunset Clause' in the deal...After a few more years, the Iranians are no longer obligated to comply with the restrictions and can do whatever.
Now, the Iranians deny the existence of a sunset clause.
Figures...they'll do what they want anyway.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Iran-says-there-is-no-sunset-clause-in-nuclear-deal-543359

The Iranian government makes the North Korean government seem honest and straightforward.

[2tallbill]

The Iranian government makes the North Korean government seem honest and straightforward.

What it really does it make John Kerry look like the worst
and most bumbling negotiator in American history.

[ML]

What it really does it make John Kerry look like the worst
and most bumbling negotiator in American history.

Right up there with UK's Neville.

[2tallbill]

Israel and Iran on Path to War as Mideast Tinderbox Awaits Spark
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-03/israel-sees-iran-war-looming-as-mideast-tinderbox-awaits-a-spark

[alex330]

Israel and Iran on Path to War as Mideast Tinderbox Awaits Spark
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-03/israel-sees-iran-war-looming-as-mideast-tinderbox-awaits-a-spark

And Israel has warned Russia it will strike those S300's

[deccie]

Israel and Iran on Path to War as Mideast Tinderbox Awaits Spark
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-03/israel-sees-iran-war-looming-as-mideast-tinderbox-awaits-a-spark

That would be quite stunning. I wonder which side the Saudi's would come down on then. Quite likely against Iran I'd imagine.

[alex330]

That would be quite stunning. I wonder which side the Saudi's would come down on then. Quite likely against Iran I'd imagine.

http://www.newsweek.com/israel-says-wants-work-saudi-arabia-defeat-iran-713690

[BillyB]

That would be quite stunning. I wonder which side the Saudi's would come down on then. Quite likely against Iran I'd imagine.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's possible they'll team up against Iran but I don't see their soldiers fight along side each other. They may share intelligence and fight on different fronts.

I doubt there will be a major war. Neither Israel or SA shares a land border with Iran. Also Iran doesn't want to take on two allies of America because they are tough just by themselves and America won't let Iran take over either of them so Iran will be entering into a losing war.

[DaveNY]

For all their bluster the Iranians don't want to go to war with the US. The Iranians know that fighting the Israelis means fighting the Americans even if it's just the Americans supplying the Israelis with intel and weapons.

Also, the Saudis hate the Iranians with a passion. The Saudis might not want to go into combat with the Israelis but if it means supplying the Israelis with some intel will get rid of the Iranians for a few years I'm sure the Saudis would do it.

[fathertime]

For all their bluster the Iranians don't want to go to war with the US. The Iranians know that fighting the Israelis means fighting the Americans even if it's just the Americans supplying the Israelis with intel and weapons.

Also, the Saudis hate the Iranians with a passion. The Saudis might not want to go into combat with the Israelis but if it means supplying the Israelis with some intel will get rid of the Iranians for a few years I'm sure the Saudis would do it.

You seem to be speaking for a lot of nations.  I don’t think you are qualified to do that!   The US shouldn’t want war, but we probably do for selfish purposes of course.  The dead bodies are merely collateral damage 

Fathertime!

[deccie]

Also, the Saudis hate the Iranians with a passion. The Saudis might not want to go into combat with the Israelis but if it means supplying the Israelis with some intel will get rid of the Iranians for a few years I'm sure the Saudis would do it.

The Persians and the Arabs do have rather a long history of conflict..

[DaveNY]

You seem to be speaking for a lot of nations.  I don’t think you are qualified to do that!   The US shouldn’t want war, but we probably do for selfish purposes of course.  The dead bodies are merely collateral damage 

Fathertime!

Fathertime unless you know something about RWD that I don't all posts on RWD are the OPINIONS of the posters unless otherwise stated. I doubt there are too many countries that want war but sometimes it is necessary. WW1, WW2, liberation of Kuwait and others spring to mind.

As for an Israeli-Iranian conflict IMO (just do Fathertime knows this is my opinion) even the Iranians have to know  they're outmatched. At times Israel has gone up against multiple Arab states at once and won. In 1967, they won decisively against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. I doubt Israel has gotten any softer.

[fathertime]

As for an Israeli-Iranian conflict IMO (just do Fathertime knows this is my opinion) even the Iranians have to know  they're outmatched. At times Israel has gone up against multiple Arab states at once and won. In 1967, they won decisively against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. I doubt Israel has gotten any softer.

If Russia, or China backs up Iran that is a game changer.   Israel is tiny with a very small population, maybe it is best for them to avoid war. 

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

If Russia, or China backs up Iran that is a game changer. 

It would turn into a proxy war like Syria, Vietnam, or the Iraq vs Iran war. America isn't going to let Iranians on Israeli or Saudi Arabian soil that would affect our fuel prices. If a proxy war is to happen, it'll be on Iranian soil. Iran will get trashed like Syria.

[DaveNY]

If Russia, or China backs up Iran that is a game changer.   Israel is tiny with a very small population, maybe it is best for them to avoid war. 

Fathertime!

Fathertime do you know anything about the history of the Middle East? Has that ever happened in the past? No, it hasn't. Somehow I doubt Israel is going to change their minds this time around.

[fathertime]

Fathertime do you know anything about the history of the Middle East? Has that ever happened in the past? No, it hasn't. Somehow I doubt Israel is going to change their minds this time around.

You are failing to factor in the entire set of circumstances today.  Things are always changing, if you continue to fail to adapt you do not survive.   Other rising or declining powers may choose to NOT just watch a fellow nation get dismembered. 

It would turn into a proxy war like Syria, Vietnam, or the Iraq vs Iran war. America isn't going to let Iranians on Israeli or Saudi Arabian soil that would affect our fuel prices. If a proxy war is to happen, it'll be on Iranian soil. Iran will get trashed like Syria.

There is always the chance we won't be able to contain a proxy war to the battleground we want it on.  I don't think it will come to this, but that is also a possibility too. 
Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

There is Lying Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been insisting Iran is just 2 years away from the bomb since the 1990's.  He just wants to keep large rival nations like Iran (80 million people) from being able to defend themselves adequately. That way Israeli bombs can continue to fall without an effective counter/deterrent.   He is trying to demand they give up all their research/knowledge.  If he had his way he would have the heads of all the Iranian scientists as well!    Obama was right to oppose Netanyahu's efforts to sway him, and be a signatory on the Iran agreement, along with many of the other world powers. 

So far Trump's bombasity and Netanyahu's falsehoods, haven't even convinced allies in Europe!  So I"m curious to see what Trump attempts to ramp up his and Netanyahu's demands. 

Israeli PM steps up calls to end the Iranian nuclear deal

.....Trump's criticism of the deal has given Netanyahu a rare chance to reopen negotiations that appeared to have concluded in 2015. So far, Europe, China and Russia have shown no interest in revisiting the topic.

European countries, which have been pressing Trump to stick with the deal, have said Netanyahu's presentation only reinforced the importance of the agreement, which provides for inspections.

It remains unclear what would happen if the U.S. withdraws from the deal but the other countries remain committed......

http://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-pm-says-better-confront-iran-sooner-later-095819496.html 

Fathertime! 

[msmob]

Right up there with UK's Neville.

I am sure I have posted this before...

Neville Chamberlain came back from Germany and set about upping Britain's military capabilities..

Only foolish or uninformed folk suggest he was burying his head in the sand or compliant...

[BillyB]

Neville Chamberlain came back from Germany and set about upping Britain's military capabilities..

I'm sure Chamberlain was a nice guy and had good intentions but he will always be remembered for his policies of appeasement signing the Munich agreement allowing Germany to annex some parts of its neighbors. What if Obama signed an agreement with Putin allowing the takeover of Crimea hoping Russia stops its aggression in East Ukraine and other parts of the world?

[2tallbill]

Iran follows Russia in banning popular messaging app Telegram
http://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/iran-follows-russia-in-banning-popular-messaging-app-telegram.html