Theories on Chasing Women in Ukraine

[krimster2]

"Krimster, did you ever have it where a girl would accept your generosity but did not want to have sex with you?"

nope, but I did have a girl rob me of several thousand $$$ and disappear!!!
temporary setback
I missed the warning signs but wouldn't now...

[Trenchcoat]

"Krimster, did you ever have it where a girl would accept your generosity but did not want to have sex with you?"

nope, but I did have a girl rob me of several thousand $$$ and disappear!!!
temporary setback
I missed the warning signs but wouldn't now...

Ouch that's a lot of money to lose, very unpleasant indeed, what were the warning signs?

[krimster2]

trench

don't copy someone else
you ultimately have to find what works for you
and not what worked for me

half of all success is just trying
even if you don't succeed first time
you learn something for next time

find your own path
it's always just right in front of you
trick is learning how to see it

I saw mine and it was golden
let the haters hate

[msmob]

trench

don't copy someone else
you ultimately have to find what works for you
and not what worked for me

half of all success is just trying
even if you don't succeed first time
you learn something for next time

find your own path
it's always just right in front of you
trick is learning how to see it

I saw mine and it was golden
let the haters hate

You didn't have the benefit of the advice Trench gets and ignores at his peril.

He learns nothing of our or his mistakes.

[krimster2]

"what were the warning signs?"

drugs!
should've dropped her like a hot kartoshkie
hard drugs are VERY BAD news in UA
should you meet a drug user in UA
RUN!

HIV danger and the gang she buys from will tell her to steal
close call

BTW, never had any STDs from Ukraine

[msmob]

Jeez how ever did I manage to find lovely ladues with such a small willy, no money........

[krimster2]

gosh you can't help the small willy
but sometimes a small "drill"
can be offset by using the "sander"
always works for me
actually my preference
but I'm kinda weird about that particular issue
we should talk about it to make Jay upset

YEAH
I like giving oral sex to young Ukrainian women
freakin LOVE it!!!!

[krimster2]

"But your naivety is cute I admit

how did you know that "Naiveté" is the nickname I gave to my willy?
but thank YOU so much for the compliment!!!
want a pic?  never mind, sorry I asked...

[krimster2]

oh and just so my comments aren't misinterpreted
"willy" is my nephew who lives with me
it's his name
I could see where your mind was going...

[krimster2]

BO and Pitbull
are worried that I have an undue advantage in my wealth and natural cuteness
that I can use to coerce beautiful young Ukrainian women into a life of debauchery
instead of making babies for the motherland...

really, that’s all women are good for?

do you know how many women there are out there who want nothin to do with makin babies?
I will freely admit, that within MOST young UA women there is a latent desire to ONE DAY create a family, but for most 20 yr olds that desire is a LONG way down the highway, a LONG way...
we’re talking YOUNG girls here, 20ish, not 30-35 yr olds whose biological clocks are loudly ticking
and meanwhile frankly most girls, “just wanna have fun”
every..single..beautiful..woman..I..have..ever..met..knew..how..to..use..t heir..body..for..gain
I’m just a willing buyer, willing to pay top dollar, that’s my participation
but I don’t just invest my money
I also invest my time
I travel with them, take them (within limit of UA passport) to new places
I teach them (in some cases basic restaurant “manners", since it was their first time in a high end restaurant)
and yes, I give them LOVE, my affection for them is quite GENUINE
and all this is THEIR choice, I’m NOT coercing them
humans have made these kind of “arrangements” since there were humans
male female relationships DON’T HAVE TO BE EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT CREATING A FAMILY

why have such a narrow view about male female relationships
it sounds like a medieval church sermon
the lord sayeth be fruitful and multiply
and not indulgeth in fun

and frankly boring as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trenchcoat]

trench

don't copy someone else
you ultimately have to find what works for you
and not what worked for me

half of all success is just trying
even if you don't succeed first time
you learn something for next time

find your own path
it's always just right in front of you
trick is learning how to see it

I saw mine and it was golden
let the haters hate

I agree, I'm not looking to copy if it apears to look like that. I'm more interested in learning how the Ukrainian girl's mind works so I can know and understand her better.

From what you say it looks like many may have an inbuilt return of sex as a means of showing their gratitude for generousity given. Not that they don't enjoy it themselves, they probably often get off on it. So in essence it has become a cultural convention would you say?

[msmob]

So in essence it has become a cultural convention would you say?

NO..

But I am enjoying Krimster dropping his hook and seeing just how many nibbles he gets..

[krimster2]

"From what you say it looks like many may have an inbuilt return of sex as a means of showing their gratitude for generousity given. "

UA girls KNOW what's expected of them
so do Western ones, but they're not feeling any pressure to provide it

it all comes back to the economic differential
they are at such a disadvantage financially and otherwise
that in effect it's a "buyer's market" in UA
and in the West it's a "seller's market"

so do I want to "shop" in a seller's market in the west(where my return is low)
or in a buyer's market in UA (where my return is MUCH higher)
simple choice

but there are other considerations
not only is it a sellers market in the West
but women get to dictate the terms of the transaction (all in their favor of course)
so they end up controlling all aspects of the market
none of which works in men's favor

i turned all that up side down
now I set the terms
funny how western women don't like the threat to their monopoly

frankly was getting sick of the crap of western dating
so freakin happy I didn't end up marrying an American woman, you have NO idea



other considerations

look at your Russian "competition" laughable
no wonder these women all "looked up" to me
and enjoyed my company infinitely more than Russian men

[krimster2]

"But I am enjoying Krimster dropping his hook and seeing just how many nibbles he gets.."

those who make a show of being morally superior to other people
never, never are, ever...

it’s like proving your non-violence by shooting someone
their fake moral superiority is the tool they try and use to suppress views that differ from their own

it’s not honest

[pitbull]

"From what you say it looks like many may have an inbuilt return of sex as a means of showing their gratitude for generousity given. "

UA girls KNOW what's expected of them
so do Western ones, but they're not feeling any pressure to provide it

it all comes back to the economic differential
they are at such a disadvantage financially and otherwise
that in effect it's a "buyer's market" in UA
and in the West it's a "seller's market"

so do I want to "shop" in a seller's market in the west(where my return is low)
or in a buyer's market in UA (where my return is MUCH higher)
simple choice

but there are other considerations
not only is it a sellers market in the West
but women get to dictate the terms of the transaction (all in their favor of course)
so they end up controlling all aspects of the market
none of which works in men's favor

i turned all that up side down
now I set the terms
funny how western women don't like the threat to their monopoly

frankly was getting sick of the crap of western dating
so freakin happy I didn't end up marrying an American woman, you have NO idea



other considerations

look at your Russian "competition" laughable
no wonder these women all "looked up" to me
and enjoyed my company infinitely more than Russian men

.

And can you imagine what would have happened had you gone “shopping “ to some poor African or Asian village, better yet in a country torn by war? You would “buy” literally ANY girl’s affection for far less, maybe for a couple bucks or a burger? And they would make you believe you have two willies - not just that you are a “great lover”
What a great concept- “buyers market”! The more dire a woman’s circumstances the easier and cheaper it is to procure sex.
Trench, go to Venezuela with backpacks of chips and canned food. They are literally starving there   

[krimster2]

"And they would make you believe you have two willies "

I DO have two willies!!!
one natural and one strap-on for "special occasions"

“And can you imagine what would have happened had you gone “shopping “ to some poor African or Asian village, better yet in a country torn by war? “

really? Russians lecturing me about war torn countries
like Syria?
like Ukraine?
like Georgia?

golly jeepers I thought Russland was an “advanced society”
and folks there understood metaphors..

the meatmarket is a yankee slang term for “dating” which itself is a slang term for courtship

I know you’re Russian, so besides English impairment we also have to consider humor impairment...

so “shopping” is a reference to this
everyone has a “price tag” in the meatmarket, an “assigned value"
everyone, even me!
in silicon valley my assigned value would let me shop for what would be considered average women in the meatmarket
so when I discovered the UA market, I became a loyal customer
why?
because their deals were SO much better than the meatmarket back in silicon valley

ok, with me so far?
not hard to process even for a Homo Sovieticus is it?

so with this viewpoint
I optimized my value by switching to a new untapped market
where Krimsters were in short supply and the assigned value for a Krimster
was SKY HIGH compared to what it was in silicon valley

here’s what I learned!
when your value is this high
you can do whatever the hell you want

[pitbull]

"And they would make you believe you have two willies "

I DO have two willies!!!
one natural and one strap-on for "special occasions"

“And can you imagine what would have happened had you gone “shopping “ to some poor African or Asian village, better yet in a country torn by war? “

really? Russians lecturing me about war torn countries
like Syria?
like Ukraine?
like Georgia?

golly jeepers I thought Russland was an “advanced society”
and folks there understood metaphors..

the meatmarket is a yankee slang term for “dating” which itself is a slang term for courtship

I know you’re Russian, so besides English impairment we also have to consider humor impairment...

so “shopping” is a reference to this
everyone has a “price tag” in the meatmarket, an “assigned value"
everyone, even me!
in silicon valley my assigned value would let me shop for what would be considered average women in the meatmarket
so when I discovered the UA market, I became a loyal customer
why?
because their deals were SO much better than the meatmarket back in silicon valley

ok, with me so far?
not hard to process even for a Homo Sovieticus is it?

so with this viewpoint
I optimized my value by switching to a new untapped market
where Krimsters were in short supply and the assigned value for a Krimster
was SKY HIGH compared to what it was in silicon valley

here’s what I learned!
when your value is this high
you can do whatever the hell you want

Absolutely dear! Had you gone to Venezuela right now  your value in that “meat market “ market would be sky high among the hottest teenage girls even though you could be their grandpa. It has nothing to do with you but with their desperation.

Do you get it now that your objective value is an “average schmuck” and you had sex with those young desperate village girls only because they wanted something from you? It was a transaction dude! As you said yourself “they knew what was expected of them”. The cutest thing is that you do believe they liked having sex with you

[pitbull]

"And they would make you believe you have two willies "

I DO have two willies!!!
one natural and one strap-on for "special occasions"

“And can you imagine what would have happened had you gone “shopping “ to some poor African or Asian village, better yet in a country torn by war? “

really? Russians lecturing me about war torn countries
like Syria?
like Ukraine?
like Georgia?

golly jeepers I thought Russland was an “advanced society”
and folks there understood metaphors..

the meatmarket is a yankee slang term for “dating” which itself is a slang term for courtship

I know you’re Russian, so besides English impairment we also have to consider humor impairment...

so “shopping” is a reference to this
everyone has a “price tag” in the meatmarket, an “assigned value"
everyone, even me!
in silicon valley my assigned value would let me shop for what would be considered average women in the meatmarket
so when I discovered the UA market, I became a loyal customer
why?
because their deals were SO much better than the meatmarket back in silicon valley

ok, with me so far?
not hard to process even for a Homo Sovieticus is it?

so with this viewpoint
I optimized my value by switching to a new untapped market
where Krimsters were in short supply and the assigned value for a Krimster
was SKY HIGH compared to what it was in silicon valley

here’s what I learned!
when your value is this high
you can do whatever the hell you want

Oh no, you don't like the war in Ukraine? What a silly shopper! You must thank Mother Russia for that war! It is because of Russia the situation is even worse than 20 years ago in Ukraine so that even an "average old schmuck's" value in that "meat market" is sky high again as long as he has some $ and a US passport! You can go buy some more cheap sex! Geez, economics 101!
And I am an American sweetie 

[krimster2]

“Absolutely dear! Had you gone to Venezuela right now  your value in that “meat market “ market would be sky high among the hottest teenage girls even though you could be their grandpa. It has nothing to do with you but with their desperation.”

what difference does the reason make?
do farmers care why it rains, or just whether their crops are watered?
completely irrelevant
it could be because they are part of a contest to see who sleeps with the most foreigners
doesn’t matter

desperation....???
no, I could ALWAYS get sex in USA, it’s easy
but the quality....
there really is nothing like a 20 yr old Ukrainian girl from a small village
blond hair, pigtails, big blue eyes...perfect athletic body
completely unspoiled
first one I saw without clothing
in all her natural beauty
quite frankly took my breath away
after seeing, touching this level of beauty
I NEVER want back to American women
 
“Do you get it now that your objective value is an “average schmuck” and you had sex with those young desperate village girls only because they wanted something from you?”

well, duhhhhh...it’s what I said
I mean I would say it not quite with the disdain you do, but the underlying logic is correct

“The cutest thing is that you do believe they liked having sex with you ”

they didn’t just like it, they LOVED it
if they didn’t like it, why would they be the ones to initiate it
do you repeatedly do over and over and over and over things you don’t like
and display obvious satisfaction and pleasure while doing so
I don’t and neither did they
you’ve slept with Russian men
any of them ever impress you with their devotion
no, and it’s why you married an American...
but of course YOU haven’t sold yourself...
now have you...
go ahead and believe this
only poor desperate girls sell themselves and not you


“And I am an American sweetie 

you think your new passport will make you an American on the inside?
naw, I can still smell the gopnik on you

[pitbull]

“Absolutely dear! Had you gone to Venezuela right now  your value in that “meat market “ market would be sky high among the hottest teenage girls even though you could be their grandpa. It has nothing to do with you but with their desperation.”

what difference does the reason make?
do farmers care why it rains, or just whether their crops are watered?
completely irrelevant
it could be because they are part of a contest to see who sleeps with the most foreigners
doesn’t matter

desperation....???
no, I could ALWAYS get sex in USA, it’s easy
but the quality....
there really is nothing like a 20 yr old Ukrainian girl from a small village
blond hair, pigtails, big blue eyes...perfect athletic body
completely unspoiled
first one I saw without clothing
in all her natural beauty
quite frankly took my breath away
after seeing, touching this level of beauty
I NEVER want back to American women
 
“Do you get it now that your objective value is an “average schmuck” and you had sex with those young desperate village girls only because they wanted something from you?”

well, duhhhhh...it’s what I said
I mean I would say it not quite with the disdain you do, but the underlying logic is correct

“The cutest thing is that you do believe they liked having sex with you ”

they didn’t just like it, they LOVED it
if they didn’t like it, why would they be the ones to initiate it
do you repeatedly do over and over and over and over things you don’t like
and display obvious satisfaction and pleasure while doing so
I don’t and neither did they
you’ve slept with Russian men
any of them ever impress you with their devotion
no, and it’s why you married an American...
but of course YOU haven’t sold yourself...
now have you...
go ahead and believe this
only poor desperate girls sell themselves and not you


“And I am an American sweetie 

you think your new passport will make you an American on the inside?
naw, I can still smell the gopnik on you

You see 20 year old American girls are as beautiful. It's just that their daddy would have torn your willy off had you approached one of them. Again, will you be happy if an old schmuck had sex with your daughter in exchange for some drugs? Who cares why she does it as long as the schmuck uses the situation to his advantage and gets some beautiful piece of meat right?


You are a sex tourist. There is a reason why sex tourists are considered scumbags  - they are just exploiting poverty and desperation to satisfy their own physical needs. No amount of slime will change that fact.


And I am as American as you are sweetie, all you need is a passport. 

[Trenchcoat]

You see 20 year old American girls are as beautiful.

You do and even some British girls. However have you ever heard the phrase uttered, 'I know what I'm worth', many, many of the beautiful American girls believe and say this, British ones also.

How often does such a girl settle for the guy flipping burgers because there was natural chemistry? - Very, Very Rarely is the answer.

Why? Because she knows there will be other guys along with chemistry that have higher status if not already queued up for her. He may not have as much chemistry or she may go to one with none at all. Pretty much all these beautiful American women and British ones will shun the burger flipper however much they like him for someone off much better status. They 'know what they are worth' and it ain't a burger flipper with associated low grade living standard. There out to get as much as they can get, the wealthiest, most socially skilled, intelligent and/or athletic guy going.

No doubt they get with those top tier guys hoping it will last the distance. Some of Krimster's hook ups may have, some may have just done it for fun and whatever came in the moment, material or otherwise.

The thing with Krimster that while the sex tourist look of it all might be off putting he did actually end up marrying a Ukrainian woman. Why? Well he tells us because he knew he was 'worth more' there than in the US, Silicon Valley where there are loads of rich guys no doubt far richer than him, etc. The same quality of woman would have overlooked him in Silicon Valley for a richer guy, etc, which she knew she could get for marriage, potentially.

While we look for getting with a girl for natural chemistry we mostly all want a quality girl - how in demand are the fat ugly girls in America or Britain. For most men they are the left overs most other guys don't want, some will take them as there is nothing else and they know they aren't a high status guy, some just balk at the prospect (like me ) and won't go with them. For guys not into fat ugly women it's a very unpleasant thought having to even touch them with all that fat and looking so unattractive. They also know that they are with a low quality woman and could likely produce low quality offspring - not certain as a bit of a lottery but the risks are there, but hey she may have good personality genetics to pass on.

I've had British girls pass over me because I'm lacking here or there, it's a far tougher market in the west, particularly if your living in the wealthier parts. It's why my last girl who was a 10 facially, well I knew what she would be worth once back living in the prosperous area of the UK where I live. That's right she would be worth a lot and hence my apprehension for bringing her back here among other issues. Far more prosperous high status guys than me would start moving in. Why? Because not only do they want a hot wife to get with they also look at their offspring they will produce. If they get with an ugly, fat or mediocre looking girl and she produces the same what is 'the worth' of an ugly, fat or mediocre looking girl when she gets to her teenage years at school and guys start taking an interest - very little since most guys base their view of a girl primarily on her looks, hence the she's only an average 7 or she's an 8 or 9 terminology.

End of the day we are all stuck in a Capitalist society and subject to its rules and punishments. If you fall down the social spectrum you are punished with economic hardships, misery even, struggle. If you go up it luxury, comfort and pleasant surroundings, easier life potentially. Girls want to play the game to gain the most they can, guys play the game because they are stuck with the game. Both know if they don't play well enough that they will suffer as a result.

I don't blame Krimster for wanting the best quality girl that he could not get locally, I am in a similar position. Most hot guys who are top tier in the US such as football jocks, etc play the field. Krimster became a top tier guy by going out to Ukraine - like a kind of currency conversion. He played the field there instead. Unappealing perhaps like a lot of jocks play the field in the US or British guys that get more than their fair share of women in the UK, we get jealous and or find it unpleasant that people are treated as such but he was just using what he had in a system he did not create is the way I see it.

[krimster2]

“It's just that their daddy would have torn your willy off had you approached one of them."

why would that happen?
20 yr olds have their own apartment, etc
something tells me the “torn your willy off” comment is kinda what you’re about as a person
and yet you accuse me of being misogynist
do I go around writing about ripping your sexual organs off
ewwwwwwwwwwwww

“Again, will you be happy if an old schmuck had sex with your daughter in exchange for some drugs? Who cares why she does it as long as the schmuck uses the situation to his advantage and gets some beautiful piece of meat right?”

you make all these nonsensical “what ifs”
my oldest daughter is one of the most privileged spoiled young women you can imagine
you think some old guy like me could offer her something that she doesn’t already have or could just buy herself or get her daddy to buy for her (she has her own car, credit card)
what if a squirrel offered her a peanut for cross-species sex
well THAT I can tell I would definitely put a stop to, have no fear about that
and about as likely as what you suggest

“You are a sex tourist. There is a reason why sex tourists are considered scumbags”

NO!
I am absolutely NOT a sex tourist
ewww, yuch
do you really know what a sex tourist is?
a low life drunk trying to find a hooker in Thailand who reeks of cheap booze
who’s taking a leak in the alley next to the bar where the transvestites hang out

that ain’t me lady

FIRST, I am a businessman with a math and engineering background
my reason for being in Ukraine...
was that I had a holy vision
that one day the diaspora, meaning me and millions like me
would all rise up and gather together in the motherland
and together we would build a utopia with our Ukrainian brothers
I called myself the “spark returning to the fire”
and thank heavens for medical marijuana when I had this vision

but when I actually got to Ukraine and started “doing business”
well let’s just say one thing led to another
and before I knew it, I realized that I COULD make such deals to the women in Kyiv
who would work for me, part of the package
and BTW, I “worshiped the ground” these women walked on
you will not find any human being on this planet who loves and appreciates women as much as I do

when my mother died, I cried so hard my eyes became infected and I had to go to ER
don’t ever tell me I hurt women
I DO NOT AND COULD NOT EVER HURT A WOMAN
I LOVE THEM TOO MUCH

[krimster2]

Trench
Silicon Valley was literally the worse place on the planet to try and date someone IF YOU'RE A GUY!
highest male/female ratio in the USA
you think this simple statistic doesn't make a difference...?
the opposite is NYC which has highest female/male ratio
difference in dating is night and day
I got dates in NYC by just casually asking girls out I met
but I don't like living in NYC
not one bit unfortunately
plus frankly when your job title is VLSI Designer
you really are only going to work and live in just one place
that sucks

in silicon valley "Joe average engineer" makes $100,000 yr
go to the supermarket on any given saturday
half the people there are these guys
so what if I'm slightly better looking or slightly richer
it won't really get me that much extra
and if you saw what average was for the women in silicon valley
you might seriously ponder becoming a homo
maybe that's WHY there are so many living there, I dunno
no offense to anyone...

 

 

[pitbull]

you make all these nonsensical “what ifs”
my oldest daughter is one of the most privileged spoiled young women you can imagine
you think some old guy like me could offer her something that she doesn’t already have or could just buy herself or get her daddy to buy for her (she has her own car, credit card)
what if a squirrel offered her a peanut for cross-species sex
well THAT I can tell I would definitely put a stop to, have no fear about that
and about as likely as what you suggest

Addiction, particularly to opioids, makes young people desperate and willing to do whatever it takes to get the drug. So, "what if" your daughter is in some difficult situation and an old schmuck exploits it just to get into her pants a couple times? By your own definition, good for him! Opportunity realized.

“You are a sex tourist. There is a reason why sex tourists are considered scumbags”

NO!
I am absolutely NOT a sex tourist
ewww, yuch
do you really know what a sex tourist is?
a low life drunk trying to find a hooker in Thailand who reeks of cheap booze
who’s taking a leak in the alley next to the bar where the transvestites hang out

that ain’t me lady

Oh do you think there is much difference between you and that low life in Thailand? Nope, there isn't. Same "I don't care what the girl's situation is I just exploit it to get cheap sex" mentality.  Don't delude yourself - what you describe you did and your attitude defines you as a typical sex tourist, same as the scumbag in Thailand.

[krimster2]

“Addiction, particularly to opioids, makes young people desperate and willing to do whatever it takes to get the drug. So, "what if" your daughter is in some difficult situation and an old schmuck exploits it just to get into her pants a couple times



honestly the squirrel approaching her with a peanut is a far more likely "what if" than the ugly picture you paint, come back when you have something actually relevant

and btw, if MY daughter ever gets into some “difficult situation” there will be just one person she will call...me...  doesn’t matter the situation, nothing she’d ever have to hide from me, she knows that



“Oh do you think there is much difference between you and that low life in Thailand? Nope, there isn't. Same "I don't care what the girl's situation is I just exploit it to get cheap sex"


first of all let me straighten you out on something, it was not “cheap” sex
I paid 4X secretary salary per month + clothes + meals + travel + bonuses inc jewelry
secretarial duties 2-4 hr per day
then we go out for dinner and then home
sometimes believe it or not we wouldn’t even have sex for a whole day
and instead just hang out and do something fun (ok sometimes I WAS too tired or not feeling well, I didn’t really take to Kyiv’s weather coming from California)

can you see just a little bit of difference there
from where I sit the difference is as big
as the difference between you and someone who is a bit more enlightened and not a bitter man hater because she doesn’t know about orgasms.

pretty big difference...