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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #325 on: July 04, 2018, 11:27:18 PM »
Most of the English teachers I meant had very little knowledge of Russian, including myself. I taught mostly beginners and intermediate learners.


Where did you begin with someone who knows no English at all?

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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #326 on: July 04, 2018, 11:29:05 PM »
Point taken on the above comments, but it must be an excruciating slow exercise when teaching someone with no English skills?

I based my comments on my experiences with family here as school teachers. My mother also acted as a English teacher / interpreter for some young French farmers in an exchange program, they knew all of 5 words of English. I can't see how someone who couldn't communicate at all with them, would be a very efficient teacher?

It really isn't as hard as you think. Some teachers had TESOL Certificates or other types of certificates for teaching English as a foreign language. I have a Msc and taught for several hundred hours in university. Granted everyone I taught spoke English and I taught math and physics not English but I had significant teaching experience. I really felt sorry for those with no teaching experience or training. Especially if they weren't outgoing. Those teachers usually didn't last too long.

Each school was a little different. In my school each Russian student was given a course outline in Russian so they knew what was expected. Teaching the alphabet was easy. Point to the letter and say it have the students say it. If you wanted a particular student to say it you used their name. If you wanted the students to repeat something you motion for them to repeat it by making a circle.

Teaching individual words was easy enough. The word was broken down into syllables and each syllable was repeated. Students repeated the word until they got it right. Sentences were repeated until the sentences vaguely resembled something I said. Many schools gave/sold the students tapes to practice with at home.

My wife was a teacher so she taught me a few words that helped. I also taught several special classes at her school. She translated some of her lessons into English and I taught the class after school. The classes were for senior students who wanted to go to an English speaking university. My teaching the class gave them a sense of what they faced if they went to university in the UK, US or other English speaking country. I did 8 classes over the course of a year. First class my wife was joined by her principal, department head and several other staff. All standing against the back wall. By the 3rd class everyone was gone except my wife and even she wasn't in the class all the time. We did a Q&A after class. I think the students enjoyed that the most.     

At the English language schools the students, even the young kids, were well behaved there were few discipline problems. If the teachers or students really didn't understand something there was always a manager or staff member who spoke Russian and English. 
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #327 on: July 05, 2018, 12:20:38 AM »
when you hear someone say "teaching English" in the FSU
what "teaching English" really means is complete lack of any useful job skill
to make money there and not enough savings to be independent
so just talking in English to someone
will somehow be worth money...

it's kinda magic just speak English
and you can "make it rain" down here

why doesn't everyone just speak English
think how much wealthier the world would be

Languages aren't learned or taught by just talking. There's much more to it than that, I haven't learned Russian by just speaking to the natives. Do you think you could teach the finer points of grammar?  Could you teach a Russian to use articles or the perfect tense?
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #328 on: July 05, 2018, 08:10:53 AM »
look if you foreigners are tryin to earn some bucks in Ukraine, forget “teaching English”
you might as well wait at an intersection on some random ulitsa and wash someone’s windshield for a couplea hryvnia

two words...

real estate

lots of ways to profit from real estate in Ukraine
even without investing any of your own money!
do you know what the requirements are for being a real estate sales agent in Ukraine?
NOTHING!
if you can say “I’m a sales agent” then ipso facto you are one, and for $2 you can put an ad in the local gazetta and print up some business cards for another $30 add a phone and you have the basics for a business there

congrats!  you’re now a sales agent

of course, Ukraine is currently in a down cycle
but an example of the kind of money you CAN MAKE in an up cycle
consider that instead of being an agent you instead want to be a “flipper"
in 2001 I bought a large “un-built” apartment for $45,000
un-built means bare concrete floors/walls/ceiling no wiring or plumbing
just plenty of concrete walls and supporting columns and a ventilation duct + windows cut out
it cost me an additional $45,000 to have a contractor complete it to furniture move in ready
I sold this apartment in 2007 for $270,000
and had it rent-free for 6 yrs as well

BTW, it’s also risky as hell
I followed local pattern of conducting transactions in cash
does handling hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash in Ukraine make you nervous?
it’s a complete layer of stacks of $10,000 in hundred dollar bills on the bottom of a small carry-on sized suitcase
(only way to transport this)
and then all aboard for the Kyiv to Berlin express train that leaves bright and early in the mornin
and slowly winds its way West to Poland, which you will reach by early evening and Berlin the following mournin
don’t forget to fill out the cash declaration form at Kennedy when you fly in from Berlin
mark it from “Private House Sale - Personal Residence”
tax free

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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #329 on: July 05, 2018, 08:13:19 AM »
Plenty of immigrants come to America knowing no English. Mix bag of various immigrants goes to the same English class. Their teacher probably doesn't know their language. Teaching can be done probably with lots of pictures. I suspect it would be easier if the teacher knew English and the language of their students.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #330 on: July 05, 2018, 09:17:05 AM »
Ukraine has a great deal of natural beauty to warm the soul
but for Homo Sapiens it’s an awful soul crushing place to live
grandmothers on homemade stoolchiks sellin kartoshkie for $4-$5 a day
to help feed their grandkids kinda place to live
you seem em all on the outskirts of the bolshoi market where they don’t have to pay “krisha"
you see them in the darkness and in the snow and rain
sometimes you think you can feel their pain

to survive there you have to acquire a skill called “ignoring reality”
you look but you no longer see
so you no longer feel
being numb is better than the pain that follows being too observant

still, in spite of it all
there is no redemption...
and all who are born
are born to fall

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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #331 on: July 05, 2018, 11:20:51 AM »
Hey, anyone know the easiest way to add money to a Lifecell account? I've tried in both Ukraine & UK with my bank cards but no joy. It either gets stuck on the loading screen or tells me I've been unsuccessful and to contact my bank.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #332 on: July 05, 2018, 11:34:32 AM »
Welcome to my world ..

CANNOT pay for RU stuff online with VISA or MasterCard drawn on UK banks ..even using an Russian IP

Try making a Ukrainian IP address connection and see if that works ...

Unless you are actually paying for someone else's mobile, Trench - why can't you wait until you are IN Ukraine and pay via a shop / terminal ?
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #333 on: July 05, 2018, 11:48:43 AM »
He might have to pay 20 or even 50 hryvnia more as a foreigner.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #334 on: July 05, 2018, 12:09:36 PM »
Welcome to my world ..

CANNOT pay for RU stuff online with VISA or MasterCard drawn on UK banks ..even using an Russian IP

Try making a Ukrainian IP address connection and see if that works ...

Unless you are actually paying for someone else's mobile, Trench - why can't you wait until you are IN Ukraine and pay via a shop / terminal ?

Cheers Moby :D I'll give that a try. Generally I like to be prepared in advance so I can get reception/internet from the moment I arrive. When in Lviv I tried to add money through the internet site but no joy, it just kept on the wait screen thinking about it so I aborted in the end as obviously nothing was happening. So just wondering why so difficult, online it says it takes foreign bank cards.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #335 on: July 05, 2018, 02:03:14 PM »
Hey, anyone know the easiest way to add money to a Lifecell account? I've tried in both Ukraine & UK with my bank cards but no joy. It either gets stuck on the loading screen or tells me I've been unsuccessful and to contact my bank.

It needs to be paid in cash in Ukraine.
It cannot be done via internet unless a Ukraine debit card.  FULL STOP.
The easiest non hassle way is to buy scratch cards while you are there and use as needed ---  or pay enough for monthly deductions anticipated until projected return.
The number should be good for a year -even without adding funds -- so you can still receive sms etc

Alternatively -- and most relevant in 2018 -- use the number for Viber,What's App etc .and you can receive calls and sms there.Obviously enough -you can call and text that way also.
On Skype -I have paid subscription  on one account-- and my id shown when I call landline or mobile is my Ukraine number .I can call any number via that method. Viber also has paid subscription to do much the same.

Dare I add -- you need someone in Ukraine to go to a booth ( in many places -airports,shopping centres,banks etc) and follow prompts.Even in a Lifecell store --cash is required for pre-paid account.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #336 on: July 05, 2018, 02:37:11 PM »
It needs to be paid in cash in Ukraine.
It cannot be done via internet unless a Ukraine debit card.  FULL STOP.
The easiest non hassle way is to buy scratch cards while you are there and use as needed ---  or pay enough for monthly deductions anticipated until projected return.
The number should be good for a year -even without adding funds -- so you can still receive sms etc

Alternatively -- and most relevant in 2018 -- use the number for Viber,What's App etc .and you can receive calls and sms there.Obviously enough -you can call and text that way also.
On Skype -I have paid subscription  on one account-- and my id shown when I call landline or mobile is my Ukraine number .I can call any number via that method. Viber also has paid subscription to do much the same.

Dare I add -- you need someone in Ukraine to go to a booth ( in many places -airports,shopping centres,banks etc) and follow prompts.Even in a Lifecell store --cash is required for pre-paid account.

Thanks Jay, most appreciate your input. It sounds then that scratch cards would be best for me then. I saw some yellow lifecell boxes when walking around in Lviv so perhaps they dispensed  them.

Other option I guess would be for me to open a bank account with a bank in Ukraine to get one of their debit cards. Is this a simple process for a foreigner?
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #337 on: July 05, 2018, 02:39:45 PM »
Those using  SKYPE / Viber / Whatsapp's prepaid call plans just haven't done their homework ...

There are FAR better specialist cos offering numbers in your home and intended state of visiting

I have  FREE US , Moscow, and UK numbers and can pay for short-term fixed line numbers in most states - save Belarus.. 

It costs me NOTHING to receive calls from these numbers.


EDITED to ADD:

One can get a Ukraine 94 -- Intertelecom number for 2 USD / month that will call your US / UK Oz', etc. mobile ( cell) / tablet / computer - the caller in UA pays the going rate from their network provider

A Ukraine national call number (89) costs $2/ month

Kyiv $5/ month

I just buy a local data sim and pop it in my unlocked MiFi device .. NO need to buy a local calls sim and put it in your mobile ( cell)

NO problems relying on friends to top me up or losing a number through inactivity - and it can be topped up from anywhere using paypal / debit / credit card

 
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« Reply #338 on: July 05, 2018, 02:54:17 PM »
In all honesty for me it more the mobile Internet data allowance I'm interested in so I can use the taxi apps to get cheaper taxi's and also to use Google maps and look up stuff. It's just handy the calls are included in the monthly bundle.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #339 on: July 05, 2018, 02:58:02 PM »
Thanks Jay, most appreciate your input. It sounds then that scratch cards would be best for me then. I saw some yellow lifecell boxes when walking around in Lviv so perhaps they dispensed  them.

Other option I guess would be for me to open a bank account with a bank in Ukraine to get one of their debit cards. Is this a simple process for a foreigner?
It is not a simple process for a foreigner to open a Ukraine bank account.Best to forget that idea .

There were many places selling scratch cards -- for some reason there does not seem as many now. I also had a problem buying larger denomination as you could previously --  so it is a moving stage.


As for Mr know it all---  I was going to add in my original post that the paid subscription I still use --is not used so often these days.
BUT -- it allows me to make unlimited calls and amount of time to numerous countries - both landline and mobiles .I use extensively for calls - both local and international at no extra cost -- and even to areas where I do pay--it is a competitive rate.
What is most significant --is that you can use your own system ANYWHERE that you can get internet access--   so it is as much about convenience that does not require phone access and excessive costs ,plus the saving of time in trying to get organised.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #340 on: July 05, 2018, 03:01:48 PM »
In all honesty for me it more the mobile Internet data allowance I'm interested in so I can use the taxi apps to get cheaper taxi's and also to use Google maps and look up stuff. It's just handy the calls are included in the monthly bundle.

FWIW --that is an example of exactly my point above --- you can access airport free wi-fi --then use as I explained above to call taxi etc --sure -you may succeed with app -- but....................

Using all the systems I explained -- covers the bases and applies everywhere !
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #341 on: July 05, 2018, 03:05:49 PM »


As for Mr know it all---  I was going to add in my original post that the paid subscription I still use --is not used so often these days.
BUT -- it allows me to make unlimited calls and amount of time to numerous countries - both landline and mobiles .I use extensively for calls - both local and international at no extra cost -- and even to areas where I do pay--it is a competitive rate.
What is most significant --is that you can use your own system ANYWHERE that you can get internet access--   so it is as much about convenience that does not require phone access and excessive costs ,plus the saving of time in trying to get organised.


OK.. so what DO you pay for something you don't use much ? ...SKYPE don't offer a package that includes UA mobiles / Cell / landline calls ( in the UK, anyway) in the monthly cost - they are extra..

So WHY pay so much ?
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« Reply #342 on: July 05, 2018, 03:07:31 PM »
Yeah, it's a pain that the top up process is not a bit more straight forward. I think I'll just go with hunting down these scratch cards for the moment and perhaps they will sort out being able to use the foreign bank cards along the way at some point.
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« Reply #343 on: July 05, 2018, 03:19:09 PM »
Yeah, it's a pain that the top up process is not a bit more straight forward. I think I'll just go with hunting down these scratch cards for the moment and perhaps they will sort out being able to use the foreign bank cards along the way at some point.

Or just pay for an Intertelecom (94)  UA mobile number - using a UK bank card online - before you leave ...Get a THREE Mifi device (free ) on a small contract -  and it will work for DATA in UA - as it is unlocked ...    More secure than using dodgy airport wifi

 You only need to top up your data sim and you receive calls to your UK mobile and your +38094 number shows when you dial out - using an app - no roaming
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« Reply #344 on: July 05, 2018, 03:22:58 PM »

OK.. so what DO you pay for something you don't use much ? ...SKYPE don't offer a package that includes UA mobiles / Cell / landline calls ( in the UK, anyway) in the monthly cost - they are extra..

So WHY pay so much ?



I still use it to call many other countries  -- I started  many years ago when it was pre some of the other options available now.
It is still cheaper to use to call than some other options.
Going back some time -- amongst many reasons to use it -calls internally were free -these days phone calls are a lot cheaper that in years past.We went from huge $ number ($10K+ per month) to only hundreds when we started  using VOIP .
If purely for Ukraine today  --Viber paid is a much better option that allows calls to all numbers --plus--of course - if you have your Ukraine number at head - they can always call you back .

While I think of it -- the mobile UKR does not even need to be switched on -- although -obviously enough - best it is if you want to be called back. Viber,What'sApp etc are widespread and increasing rapidly in Ukraine-- both personal and business use .I get incoming calls from numbers I have never called --but user has tried Viber etc call on the fly.



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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #345 on: July 05, 2018, 03:31:25 PM »
JayH

First you mentioned Skype - MUCH more expensive than the cos I use

Now you've mentioned Viber ?!

http://account.viber.com/en/call-ukraine

They want 23 Euro / month for 200 mins or 5 % Euro / month for 27 mins to LANDLINE numbers..



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« Reply #346 on: July 05, 2018, 04:11:33 PM »
Well it looks like the mifi deal I would pay around £9 a month on a contract. Compared to that it would be just 100 UAH  (about £3) for the month deal on Lifecell. So I'm guessing a scratchcard would still be a cheaper deal for me and less to cart around.

I notice there are other mobile operators, Kyivstar,  etc are they any easier on top up, decent deal?
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« Reply #347 on: July 05, 2018, 04:21:40 PM »
Well it looks like the mifi deal I would pay around £9 a month on a contract. Compared to that it would be just 100 UAH  (about £3) for the month deal on Lifecell. So I'm guessing a scratchcard would still be a cheaper deal for me and less to cart around.

I notice there are other mobile operators, Kyivstar,  etc are they any easier on top up, decent deal?

Life  UAH69 per month on pre-paid maintains number and allows calls and data access.  I top up asap when there usually  100 per week is enough. There is widespread free wi-fi access available in many places now and is increasing all the time.
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #348 on: July 05, 2018, 04:30:18 PM »
JayH

First you mentioned Skype - MUCH more expensive than the cos I use

Now you've mentioned Viber ?!

http://account.viber.com/en/call-ukraine

They want 23 Euro / month for 200 mins or 5 % Euro / month for 27 mins to LANDLINE numbers..

Needless to say the obvious has to be spelt out for your argumentative self  -- I was advocating the use of alternative systems in the absence ( eg out of credit)  of local phone data/call capability . As an example I gave -at the  moment of arrival it saves the hassle of HAVING to do this at the airport so that you can get to accommodation -- where once again -- if going to a hotel you only need an address !!  While if an apartment -- you will be making calls to get access and potentially standing around knee deep in snow getting frigged about !!

PS  -- my Viber paid calls are cheap -- and top up nothing like the numbers you quote
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Re: Krakow & Lviv tour
« Reply #349 on: July 05, 2018, 04:34:00 PM »
Think I may have possibly found the solution. It looks like I may be able to do the payment with a foreign card to Lifecell through a third party called Portmone so I will give that a try tomorrow.
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