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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2018, 03:26:31 PM »
I think you are missing the point - by even asking an intended to sign one, you are saying I do not trust you how you will be in the future - SIMPLES

Well, going by that logic, then you could argue that just by asking to sign a marriage contract, you are saying "I do not trust you", after all the biggest impact of a marriage contract is its effects for a divorce.

Isn't this about sharing  in good times and bad - for richer and poorer, etc.,

Yes, you are completely right. In good and bad, for richer and poorer. Within marriage, within the relationship, as soon as the relationship ends, that ends.

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2018, 03:29:32 PM »
"As someone who has won the t-shirt I will repeat .. Pre-nups are for those who shouldn't become Husbands / Wives and esp parents .. in the first place"

true words!!! good "onya mate"


if you can't put preservation of your family ahead of self-preservation
then stay true to yourself and stay single
as a husband/father the amount of personal sacrifices you make for your family
is dwarfed only by the rewards that they give you in return

i've had MANY close friends go through divorce
seen it up close in all it's terrifying detail
like all tragedies in life,
a gentleman should respond by maintaining a stiff upper lip and carry on
and continue supporting those around him who will be equally suffering
but thinking of yourself instead is not what a real man would do

 

« Last Edit: October 30, 2018, 03:31:38 PM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2018, 03:42:00 PM »
Thats how mom mom "accidently" ended up with two-3 credit cards here. She didnt didnt remember how she applied for them. I didnt know untill I caught her in action in TJ MAx or some such.. She checks out.. THe cashier gives the usual "Do you want to apply for a CC with us" Mom (smiling) - uhu,,, Please sign here.. Me - Mom, what are you signing? I dunno....she said "sign here".  Thats about how foreign women sign prenups..
Kaplah!

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2018, 12:26:42 PM »
Question
Are Prenups legally acceptable with K 1 Visas? If so, it would be hypocritical to stand up for a K1, and also ask for a Prenup. Dont cha think? But I do understand a suitor with many assets contacting a lawyer before marriage whether K1 or getting married abroad.
 

I recently ended a 23 year marriage with a FSU lady, and I thought the division was fair. (what I despise are the enormous legal fees because lawyers try to dupe their clients to contest every little thing at a tune of $800/hr) While I did comingle previously held assets, I thought we both contributed after 23 yrs to the ending asset base enough to where I don't regret the initial comingling

If I marry again an FSU lady, I might consider putting money in  trust for my children first...but I would not ask for a pre nup. That would be like asking the marriage not to work
« Last Edit: October 31, 2018, 12:32:31 PM by GenMish »

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2018, 12:36:46 PM »
the trust for your children is a great idea
my cousin did my will and set up a trust for my kids
my wife and I went over everything together
I wanted to protect our children from the possibility that if one of us died
and the other remarried, their new spouse would not be able to grab everything for themselves
the terms apply to us both, and we both are in agreement 100%

sorry for your divorce
that must have hurt plenty and I'm not even considering money at all
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2018, 06:47:05 PM »
There have been long threads about pre-nups here before.

Some are very much for pre-nups and some talk quite negatively about them.

Then there was a survey of the net worth and yearly income of the guys here.

Turns out that those who were quite negative about pre-nups had virtually no net worth and low yearly earnings.

So those trying for sainthood then, and those trying now, are merely using that as a stand in for their 'have not much to lose anyway.'
Winston Churchill.  “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2018, 07:08:56 PM »
YOU don't care MORE about your FAMILY than yourself or money?
that's ok, your choice

as far as I am concerned it has nothing to do with how much money is in your wallet
but instead how much love is in your heart for your family
I am lucky, I have an abundance of both

going over estate planning made me realize
one day, every single thing I own will belong to someone else
all wealth is transitory
but my love for my family will long outlast me




вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2018, 08:00:19 PM »
YOU don't care MORE about your FAMILY than yourself or money?
that's ok, your choice

as far as I am concerned it has nothing to do with how much money is in your wallet
but instead how much love is in your heart for your family
I am lucky, I have an abundance of both

going over estate planning made me realize
one day, every single thing I own will belong to someone else
all wealth is transitory
but my love for my family will long outlast me

Pre-nups are not for 'family' in the broad sense.  They are for spouses.

But then you knew this.

And you are merely repeating all the 'saintly' stuff that was stated endlessly in the earlier threads.

A sure sign of insignificant net worth . . . regardless.
Winston Churchill.  “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2018, 08:12:10 PM »
your own words
"Pre-nups are not for 'family' in the broad sense."

actually the reverse is true
in the "BROAD" sense it very much is about family
and is why I don't want or need one

your ASSUMPTION about me was ill-founded and was as a result WRONG
however...
my ASSERTION
that someone who employs a prenup cares more about themselves and money than their family
should be self evident

I am no saint...
the only legal document that exists in regards to “my” wealth
protects my wife’s and children’s interests and not mine

when my father was alive he was my family legal counsel
he didn’t have a prenup either
I know, I was the executor of his estate
and as a full partner in one of the oldest, most respected DC law firms, he was FAR from being poor....

speculating about my net worth is pointless
if you searched my real name on google, you'd see people do it all the time however
I find it annoying

come to think of it there MAY be another reason I feel I don't need a prenup
an offshore trust maintained by nominee directors in the wonderful tax haven of The Isle of Man (love their funny coins!)
which among other things maintains linked accounts in Sterling and USD
since you are American and prefer dollars
the checque below is for you
if I changed your name and my name to the correct ones, and I hadn't scratched out the name of the trust
you would be able to cash this
and the account would still be quite solvent
and then there's always the Sterling account

BTW, what do your offshore account checks look like?

« Last Edit: November 01, 2018, 12:38:22 AM by krimster2 »
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: Prenuptial Agreements
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2018, 12:46:41 AM »
There have been long threads about pre-nups here before.

Some are very much for pre-nups and some talk quite negatively about them.

Then there was a survey of the net worth and yearly income of the guys here.

Turns out that those who were quite negative about pre-nups had virtually no net worth and low yearly earnings.

So those trying for sainthood then, and those trying now, are merely using that as a stand in for their 'have not much to lose anyway.'

pretty snarky considering  if a man has only earned a paid for modest home during his life ,and loses it, it's still everything he had.
In relation to his annual earning power,and years he has left to recover it.  it's a lifes work.



Whether its 15 mil,  5 million or 350,000 the mans views on letting his  ex wife have it would be relative only to his earning potential in years to replace it (and what years he had left)

To be fair I do think you have a point,  its easier to be flippant about less.


However I recall the survey on income and do not recall it bore exacting relevance to the mens positions on prenups as you do.

It's possible, even likely it coincided, but I think there were outliers in both groups just like you see in this thread.

I'm no fan of prenups,  but I certainly recognize that its quite individualistic.
A person with business partners, prior children, various state laws, there are all kinds of contributing factors.

Amusingly, I'll cite something just as
arbitrary in that it *seems* most of the pile of men that have come here over the decade almost specifically to ask the prenup question where:
1.seeking. validation to get one.as they had already made up their minds and just wondered how a fsu woman would react,and scared shirtless they were already screwed.


2. Often had nothing of real true wealth
(But possible a home, small stock portfolio . Which regardless,  were risking  all they had )

3.where normally in complete utter panic mode as they had met a girl once,or twice, proposed and had a k1 going, and THEN it suddenly dawned on them that yea that might lead to marriage, you know ,one of those legal things that could effect their far more precious  pocket books! So  they went on the internet to see what they could find about Russian women and prenups and lighted here or RW gee etc. because countless threads on it from similar last minute freakouts  make it at the top of a Google search of those key words.


It was down right funny to me,
so I likely was a tad less empathetic than I would be to someone who had thought this out well, during a slightly reasonable time of courtship ,had circumstances dictating one,  and had broached the subject with their soon to be wife in more adult fashion than a school boy worried about losing a promise ring he spent his summer job earnings on.

 :popcorn:






« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 12:53:01 AM by Jumper »
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