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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2018, 01:47:37 PM »
my experience has been that the difference between a Russian and Ukrainian woman
is a Russian woman will say "Gamburger"
and a Ukrainian woman will say "Hamburger"
otherwise I would not know which is which without asking them...
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2018, 01:51:07 PM »
 :welcome: back, Boethius


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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2018, 02:09:53 PM »
Itís flower-bee. Now the bee wants to change the rules, and hasnít got the cojones to do so himself.

Donít kid yourself. Iíve seen RW here also dressed that way. Our kids call it ďFOBĒ.

My better half is probably around your age. He said UW always dressed provocatively. He said women in Moscow did as well, but as a larger city, there was more variation. He said it was always most evident in the subway. He also lived in Leningrad for 5 years. He said women there didnít dress provocatively. His theory is that it was because Leningrad was a very proletarian city. He said you could often see ďproletarian chicĒ (I recognize that sounds like an oxymoron).

Boethius, in regard to your better half's comments I'm assuming you're talking prior to the fall of the wall since you're using Leningrad instead of St. Petersburg. However IMO it was also true in the late 90s and early 2000s.

IMO, in the late 90s and 2000s Moscow women had more information about western fashion. Far more westerners visited Moscow than StP. Far more information about the west flowed into Moscow than StP. The Russians that most likely could afford to travel to the west were more likely to be from Moscow than from StP.

Today that's true however to a much less extent. Someone from StP can take a ferry to Finland or Sweden or a train to the EU. Of course the Internet has opened up Russia to the west. Moscow still rules as the financial capital and most visited city in Russia.

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2018, 03:03:38 PM »
BO,
 St. Petersburg girls have their own unique fashion style, different from any other in Russia or Ukraine
to me it'd be like if Russia was the European Union
girls from  St. Petersburg would be the French girls

вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2018, 03:47:24 PM »
BO,
 St. Petersburg girls have their own unique fashion style, different from any other in Russia or Ukraine
to me it'd be like if Russia was the European Union
girls from  St. Petersburg would be the French girls

Online I found a website that said St.Petersburg girls where skirts, dresses, tights & high heels. Whereas Moscow women where jeans & trousers  and more flat shoes, etc. Only been to Moscow, during warm weather in the summer, my impression was what the woman weared varied. So I couldn't really say anything won out as a specific Moscow style of dress for women from what I could see.
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2018, 04:54:03 PM »

HAve you thought about how this kind of style and behavoir is going to look like  in the US? ESpecially is a small town environment? Because its not going to change, at least not for a while.


Start looking in more civilized areas in Russia.

He's from the UK who have entire classes of people who look down their noses professionally.

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2018, 04:56:35 PM »
my experience has been that the difference between a Russian and Ukrainian woman
is a Russian woman will say "Gamburger"
and a Ukrainian woman will say "Hamburger"
otherwise I would not know which is which without asking them...

That is sooooooooooo True!!   :D
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2018, 02:56:22 AM »
That is sooooooooooo True!!   :D

))  Except it AIN'T

Try THAT rule in - say - Rostov = and you'll fall flat on your face !

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2018, 01:42:25 PM »
Ok, well anyway I would like to explain to the forum the type of slut I am interested in, since I tend to find they come in different types.

I'm not really into the rough or scruffy sort of slut. So no large tattoos, uncouthness, badly bleached blondes, untidy/scruffy clothes, cheap looking.

I'm really more into neat/tidy looking sluts. Girls who take care of their looks and who are kind of girly types, dolly birds to coin the old phrase I guess. Ukraine I find has quite a lot of these but also some of the rougher looking types that Im not really into. Belarus meanwhile seems to err on the more neater sort of girl and not so much the slutty side. While I find Polish girls tend to be neater still with just a slight bit of slut about them.

So my hang up is still between Ukraine & Belarus.

Sochi is probably out, I don't think there is the motive for many women to look for a WM there unless pregnant or of older years. St. Petersburg I want to go too but I don't want to do it on a WM since I would have the distraction of tourism. Moscow I'm ok on but I think Ukrainian girls are a better fit, maybe even Belarusian girls. I don't think that Russian girls, exceptions aside have the slutty/tarty type of girl I like that Ukraine seems to have.

Ukraine I know more of the culture, Belarus culture is new to me. I get the impression when in Belarus they still have a big thing over WWII and the atrocities the Nazi's inflicted upon them. They don't seem to view it the same as us UK & US folks do. We tend to see it as a great adversial confrontation. They seem to see it as a massacre of their people which of course it was. They were on the brunt of it all and the event still seems to be much on their mind even to this day. When I was there the Belarusian TV was showing a film depicting such WWII masacres of their folk. This was on their Victory day which they hold each year. There are several visably notable monuments to the war & of couse Victory Park.

In Ukraine I guess western Ukraine has a bit of this with the resistance around Lviv, but I would say in Belarus it's a lot more, almost as if time has stood still. I get the impression it's a subject on which to tread carefully with girls out there. I also have a question mark over how likely girls are likely to want to move abroad out there. The economy is much in the same boat as Ukraine after years of isolation from the west Lucashenko has opened the place up to western tourism to try and revive the economy. When I was looking around there, there was a whole mock traditional building shopping area just finishing off being built for tourists. It actually looked rather good though of course none of it original.

My thought at this moment is that as much as I liked Minsk/Belarus, Kiev/Ukraine might better suit my task. I just think the mindset might just be closer to what would fit with me.
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2018, 03:27:24 PM »
Further thinking about the 'at work' mindset I am kind of thinking that as the saying goes 'too much work and no play make Jack (or whoever) a dull boy'. I'm kind of thinking that I may struggle to find stuff to socialise with these Belarus girls on. They seem to stay at work more than Ukrainian girls. One girl I was communicating too actually missed a Skype session because work task overran by several hours. I didn't bother getting back to her at the time since I thought she couldn't be bothered enough, now I feel a bit bad about it knowing that work basically encompasses there entire lives.

This in itself may hinder getting a load of girls up for a visit many. Difficult to say, some may be fine on messaging and a quick meet up so long ax work doesn't intervene. One girl I messaged seemed to prioritise messages to those most important in her life.

The girl I met seemed to spend long hours at work, even the social stuff she did get to was after work do with mostly those from work. She even told me in a message that she doesn't get time to see her family much at all so it would make little difference if she lived abroad - to which I hesitate from laughing at the irony of it as it kind of sad.

Belarus is an orderly society but I think simmering under the surface but no daring to be seen is a simmering discontent as to the bad way of things for many in its society. Some are more middle class and reasonably comfortable but I think they all feel it. Some are poor to thd point of starvation apparently though I saw no obvious signs (not that I was likely to in the city centre of course. I think some think there may be an upheaval soon if things don't change, next year perhaps, others perhaps waiting for the old man to pass on.

So I'm thinking Kiev/Ukraine - the some what more chaotic society may be my best bet. Either country could collapse overnight next year or year after, who knows but I'm thinking their women are probably closest in mindset for me. Many work long hours and appreciate the opportunity to work less, I know their mindset more. They do tend to be persuaded more by money, Belarus meanwhile seem to be very much about the physical - looking in shape, commitment to sport, etc both expected of the girl & the guy. I think though all in all Ukrainian girls are more pedestrian and everyday, easy to be with and as a generality not too extreme on mindset.

The only thing I do find challenging about their mindset is the rigidness & stubbornness, but I think that is true for Belarusian girls also from the little I have seen off them. I find Ukrainian girls often quite carefree to be around and I think  a goid all rounder. So I think I'll give the next crack at this next year to a meet many in Kiev/Ukraine :)
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2018, 07:05:08 PM »
Further thinking about the 'at work' mindset I am kind of thinking that as the saying goes 'too much work and no play make Jack (or whoever) a dull boy'. I'm kind of thinking that I may struggle to find stuff to socialise with these Belarus girls on. They seem to stay at work more than Ukrainian girls. One girl I was communicating too actually missed a Skype session because work task overran by several hours. I didn't bother getting back to her at the time since I thought she couldn't be bothered enough, now I feel a bit bad about it knowing that work basically encompasses there entire lives.

This in itself may hinder getting a load of girls up for a visit many. Difficult to say, some may be fine on messaging and a quick meet up so long ax work doesn't intervene. One girl I messaged seemed to prioritise messages to those most important in her life.

The girl I met seemed to spend long hours at work, even the social stuff she did get to was after work do with mostly those from work. She even told me in a message that she doesn't get time to see her family much at all so it would make little difference if she lived abroad - to which I hesitate from laughing at the irony of it as it kind of sad.

Belarus is an orderly society but I think simmering under the surface but no daring to be seen is a simmering discontent as to the bad way of things for many in its society. Some are more middle class and reasonably comfortable but I think they all feel it. Some are poor to thd point of starvation apparently though I saw no obvious signs (not that I was likely to in the city centre of course. I think some think there may be an upheaval soon if things don't change, next year perhaps, others perhaps waiting for the old man to pass on.

So I'm thinking Kiev/Ukraine - the some what more chaotic society may be my best bet. Either country could collapse overnight next year or year after, who knows but I'm thinking their women are probably closest in mindset for me. Many work long hours and appreciate the opportunity to work less, I know their mindset more. They do tend to be persuaded more by money, Belarus meanwhile seem to be very much about the physical - looking in shape, commitment to sport, etc both expected of the girl & the guy. I think though all in all Ukrainian girls are more pedestrian and everyday, easy to be with and as a generality not too extreme on mindset.

The only thing I do find challenging about their mindset is the rigidness & stubbornness, but I think that is true for Belarusian girls also from the little I have seen off them. I find Ukrainian girls often quite carefree to be around and I think  a goid all rounder. So I think I'll give the next crack at this next year to a meet many in Kiev/Ukraine :)

I am curious where you got this whole people starving in Belarus thing? The average salary is higher than Ukraine
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2018, 08:07:39 PM »
Ok, well anyway I would like to explain to the forum the type of slut I am interested in, since I tend to find they come in different types.

I'm not really into the rough or scruffy sort of slut. So no large tattoos, uncouthness, badly bleached blondes, untidy/scruffy clothes, cheap looking.

I'm really more into neat/tidy looking sluts. Girls who take care of their looks and who are kind of girly types, dolly birds to coin the old phrase I guess. Ukraine I find has quite a lot of these but also some of the rougher looking types that Im not really into. Belarus meanwhile seems to err on the more neater sort of girl and not so much the slutty side. While I find Polish girls tend to be neater still with just a slight bit of slut about them.


And I wonder why you're still single, such an eloquent and charming young man that you are...

I recommend focusing less on your potential partner's mindset and work a bit more on your own.

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2018, 08:40:06 PM »
Ok, well anyway I would like to explain to the forum the type of slut I am interested in, since I tend to find they come in different types.

I'm not really into the rough or scruffy sort of slut. So no large tattoos, uncouthness, badly bleached blondes, untidy/scruffy clothes, cheap looking.

I'm really more into neat/tidy looking sluts. Girls who take care of their looks and who are kind of girly types, dolly birds to coin the old phrase I guess. Ukraine I find has quite a lot of these but also some of the rougher looking types that Im not really into. Belarus meanwhile seems to err on the more neater sort of girl and not so much the slutty side. While I find Polish girls tend to be neater still with just a slight bit of slut about them.



The fact that you use the word slut to describe the woman you are looking for is so offensive to me that I can't even put it in words.  My only comfort is knowing you will never succeed in this search so I do not have to feel sorry for the woman you end up with.


 If I am wrong and you DO manage to find someone willing to be with you (whom no doubt will not speak a word of English, because if she did she would run as fast as she could the other way) I hope she takes you for all you (don't) have.


My only hope is that you are really a troll and not a guy actually looking.

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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2018, 09:02:16 PM »
Boethius, in regard to your better half's comments I'm assuming you're talking prior to the fall of the wall since you're using Leningrad instead of St. Petersburg. However IMO it was also true in the late 90s and early 2000s.

IMO, in the late 90s and 2000s Moscow women had more information about western fashion. Far more westerners visited Moscow than StP. Far more information about the west flowed into Moscow than StP. The Russians that most likely could afford to travel to the west were more likely to be from Moscow than from StP.

Today that's true however to a much less extent. Someone from StP can take a ferry to Finland or Sweden or a train to the EU. Of course the Internet has opened up Russia to the west. Moscow still rules as the financial capital and most visited city in Russia.

Yes, but we have just returned from a trip that included both Moscow and St. Petersburg.  But my riposte was directed at Soviet times.

The style has not really changed since Soviet times.  The only difference is, women now have more choices.

St. Petersburg still is different, it still has the митьки influence.
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2018, 01:01:55 AM »



My only hope is that you are really a troll and not a guy actually looking.

Sadly, Trench writes TRs  - but some of 'em make me wonder if he's really been..

Trench - your use of 'slut' - is tactless and tasteless... and ANY lady reading your adjective will run a mile...unless you are paying for their company .. which seems to have been EXACTLY the company you got ?




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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2018, 03:21:15 AM »
Trench - your use of 'slut' - is tactless and tasteless...

I am English and understand TC's use of the term 'slut'! The woman's 'slutty look' is important to him with the short skirts, etc.

Derogatory words for women in England are 'slag' and 'dog' ... woof  woof)))


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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2018, 03:55:23 AM »
Thanks Blighty, that's what I really mean. I don't mean it in a derogatory way, it's really just a shorthand way of expressing what I am looking for. I think certain types of girls suit certain types of people and guys are attracted to certain types of girls. For me there is little point denying to myself the type of girl I am naturally attracted too. I would only be wasting my time in doing so. In general I meant girls like Blighty has said, short skirts, dresses, etc. Girly types who are thin, facially pretty & girly looking, wear make up, act feminine, like to dress well, like being admired, like to flaunt it a bit, etc. It's just may way of quickly describing it.
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2018, 01:14:25 PM »
I am English and understand TC's use of the term 'slut'! The woman's 'slutty look' is important to him with the short skirts, etc.

Derogatory words for women in England are 'slag' and 'dog' ... woof  woof)))

...and slut..  NO idea were you picked up your everyday 'English', Blightly ..   the term 'slutty look' is demeaning - meaning a woman that dresses like a whore

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slutty


'Well done', Trench ... what an own goal ...

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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2018, 02:45:21 PM »
...and slut..  NO idea were you picked up your everyday 'English', Blightly ..   the term 'slutty look' is demeaning - meaning a woman that dresses like a whore

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slutty


'Well done', Trench ... what an own goal ...

More argumentative tosh! The urban dictionary is American, and so does not apply to this discussion. The conundrum for many women is the fine line in fashion and style between slutty and sexy ... eg, http://www.quora.com/Womens-Fashion-and-Style-How-do-you-define-the-line-or-distinguish-between-sexy-and-slutty

I have dated English women who asked me this very question about their dress code, and always told them that they looked sexy and not slutty. Obviously Ulster has a different mindset from England regarding this matter!

It is a free country and so TC is free to fancy slutty/tarty women. No different from someone fancying a bottle blond bimbo!
 

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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2018, 02:55:19 PM »
This is the definition from the Oxford Dictionary (which is a British dictionary) -


http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/slut
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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2018, 03:11:16 PM »
This is the definition from the Oxford Dictionary (which is a British dictionary) -

http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/slut

This dictionary defines 'slutty' as "being provocative in a way that is considered in bad taste", with an example being given of "she wore one of her slutty outfits". Hence the "slutty look" expression as there is a difference between slut and slutty!  BTW British dictionaries exclude colloquial and vernacular usage of these words!

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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2018, 03:12:02 PM »
More argumentative [factual] 'tosh' 

oops:

It accepts all English slang and is not confined to US English

Take the word BINT - for example:

Noting the contributors ?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bint

The urban dictionary is American, and so does not apply to this discussion.

'Ri-ight ' - The Court system of England and Wales failed to 'get your memo' ;)

It's been used in High Court cases - as far back as 2003 ...



The conundrum for many women is the fine line in fashion and style between slutty and sexy ... eg, http://www.quora.com/Womens-Fashion-and-Style-How-do-you-define-the-line-or-distinguish-between-sexy-and-slutty

Ri-ight - so now Quora is your site for a 'definitive answer' ;) ?


I have dated English women who asked me this very question about their dress code, and always told them that they looked sexy and not slutty. Obviously Ulster has a different mindset from England regarding this matter!

Clearly not - and I've dated FAR more 'English lasses' than Ulster ones - given I was TWELVE when my Dad moved us to England...


It is a free country and so TC is free to fancy slutty/tarty women. No different from someone fancying a bottle blond bimbo!

It eludes me why you might suggest Trenchie wasn't free to date slutty women ...   

We just can't agree on the definition ..

Personally, I've NEVER fancied dyed blond bimbos, either.


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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2018, 03:17:28 PM »
This dictionary defines 'slutty' as "being provocative in a way that is considered in bad taste", with an example being given of "she wore one of her slutty outfits". Hence the "slutty look" expression as there is a difference between slut and slutty!  BTW British dictionaries exclude colloquial and vernacular usage of these words!


The first definition, which is usually the most commonly uses, is a woman who has many sexual partners. 


Other Brits here have made the same point about what attracts them, but have used the words "tart" or "tarty", which seems gentler, and is not used much in North America.
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Re: Should a people's/person's mindset be important in your search?
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2018, 03:24:35 PM »
and slutty:

http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/slutty


This dictionary defines 'slutty' as "being provocative in a way that is considered in bad taste", with an example being given of "she wore one of her slutty outfits". Hence the "slutty look" expression as there is a difference between slut and slutty!

British dictionaries exclude colloquial and vernacular usage of these words! I come from northern England where it is totally acceptable to use the term 'slutty' to describe a woman's appearance.

We will just need to agree to disagree on this word's meaning!

 

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