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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2019, 09:47:17 AM »
"Turkey"

Turkey is NOT visa free, you can however get your visa when you arrive at the airport, 10 yr ago this visa cost $35 each....
5 star hotels are a little over $100 a night in the off season
incredible places to explore, Ephesus!!!!
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2019, 10:00:58 AM »
And, there are more ancient Greek ruins in Turkey than in Greece.

Well, that's what the Turkish guidebooks say.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2019, 10:49:10 AM »
some of the major attractions in Turkey like Göbekli Tepe are close to the conflict in Syria!
when I was there in 2006 you could already hear distant explosions coming from the direction of Syria
so I imagine now there's 10 times the amount I heard back then
plus a steady stream of desperate refugees heading over the border to the safety of Turkey
Göbekli Tepe has bad-ass highly venemous snakes out in the summer!
go about 20 miles away, and there are bronze age ruins out in the middle of no-where
I spent a whole day metal detecting there, while my wife prepared a delightful afternoon lunch with a cool pitcher of lemonade
it's a man's life out here in Göbekli Tepe...
вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

вот как я могу создать американскую личность
Я могу взять напрокат

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2019, 11:24:19 AM »
BTW, if you have an active security clearance you need to contact the state dept about any trip to Russia
I recently went, they have a new visa application just for Americans!
it asks for a detailed history of your employment and military service, weapons training, etc
and any special skills relating to engineering or science, etc
I could barely fit my details on the form!

don't get "setup" in Russia
did not follow the itinerary provided in your visa
never answer door or phone - accept no packages/envelopes
my profile in Russia is so low it could fall off a kopec
this is how I stayed out of a Russian prison
while filming Russian paramilitary facilities in Crimea
and "other matters", discreetly of course
helps to have a family for "cover"

I was just reading a bit about Paul Whelan.  While my thoughts are completely speculative, his military background coupled with various social interactions and work history make him someone that the Russians would keep close track of when in Russia.  His brother mentioned that some of the details of Whelan's personal history were kept secret from his family. To me that seems somewhat suspicious, although the exclusions may have been out of embarrassment.  I was surprised to hear that he had passports from three countries.

But other details of the arrest and the representation seem a total setup.   The court appointed lawyer representing Whelan does not speak any English and already is suggesting a prisoner trade.  That assumes that Whelan is guilty, although he hasn't been charged with any specific crime.  Could just be that Whelan is a small time operator in some shady area and that the Russians 'tapped' him because they always had him under surveillance and knew that they could play this card to get one of their people exchanged.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2019, 05:37:02 PM »
Not sure what Paul Whelan did or didn't do, but thanks to him and Russia my travel plans have been denied by my employer, they have advised me not to travel to Russia or I can find another job. But she is still planning on traveling to me if her visa is approved. If not then I will have to wait for this Paul Whelan to blow over or find another job

Who gives a damn what Whelan did to put him in the predicament he is in today? His apprehension, FWIW, was a reaction against the apprehension of an alleged Russian spy in the US. To base your decision, or even your employer, on the detention of Paul Whelan seem rather dubious.

If you can't go, you can't go. No drama. However, if she's someone 'important' enough to you, heck, meet in Prague/Warsaw, etc..with or without any Paul Whelan's influence.

I don't understand what propel men would make a statement about quitting their employment over a woman they haven't met.
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2019, 06:46:42 PM »
In my case it was not about a woman it was about freedom to hunt.  On your death bed do you want to look back and think I was a good little paper pusher oh I was so efficient now I'll retire and watch tv.  What has become of your pioneer nation that you are so afraid.  Or are you on this site to get your kicks 3rd hand

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2019, 07:31:21 PM »
Who gives a damn what Whelan did to put him in the predicament he is in today? His apprehension, FWIW, was a reaction against the apprehension of an alleged Russian spy in the US. To base your decision, or even your employer, on the detention of Paul Whelan seem rather dubious.

If you can't go, you can't go. No drama. However, if she's someone 'important' enough to you, heck, meet in Prague/Warsaw, etc..with or without any Paul Whelan's influence.

I don't understand what propel men would make a statement about quitting their employment over a woman they haven't met.

GQ,

I know plenty of people who work for TRW or other companies that do defense contracting and or other related things that do not allow their people to go to Russia.   They are told, outright; "don't go there".  It is company policy.   

But I don't think the OP is contemplating Russia, just trying to figure out how to meet a woman who he finds .... intriguing.   

Intriguing.   That's a clever little word.   Has all sorts of meanings.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2019, 03:52:08 AM »
GQ,

I know plenty of people who work for TRW or other companies that do defense contracting and or other related things that do not allow their people to go to Russia.   They are told, outright; "don't go there".  It is company policy.   


I know someone working as an air traffic controller and doesn't risk visiting Russia. Security clearance is ridiculously strict and they demand to know every little detail about your life and if you try to hide anything, you're in serious problems. I imagine it is the same or more for military personell in a NATO country and anyone affiliated, military or civilian, to the military/security complex.


It would be naive to think that the Russians are not aware of that and my speculation is that any individual from the west involved in any of these branches will be monitored closely if they come into Russia. They would of course view it as a security risk. I feel pretty certain this Whelan guy has been in the sights of Russian intelligence for a long time before the arrest. The Russians arrested a Norwegian for spying (he's still in prison) and they knew about him and monitored him several trips to Russia before arresting him. Media claimed foul play, but he eventually admitted to handing over money to someone, from an intelligence officer in Norway.
If the Russians arrest someone for spying, they have grounds for it.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2019, 05:32:42 AM »


If the Russians arrest someone for spying, they have grounds for it.

Yes, like needing a profile that fits the bill for a swap for a REAL spy  of theirs.......


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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2019, 03:40:42 PM »
Is there a easy country for her to visit, maybe something in Western Europe? Something friendly to the US?

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2019, 04:12:32 PM »
Something friendly to the US?

Don't you know we are the bad guys . . . at least until the sheeeeeet hits the fan?
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2019, 05:43:49 PM »
... who he finds .... intriguing.   

Intriguing.   That's a clever little word.   Has all sorts of meanings.

change it to strongly irresistibly intrigued...... Then you got it right on the money.  ;)

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2019, 05:45:25 PM »
Don't you know we are the bad guys . . . at least until the sheeeeeet hits the fan?
wait....... What...... We are the bad guys???!!??

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #88 on: January 10, 2019, 12:26:21 AM »
"Turkey"

Turkey is NOT visa free, you can however get your visa when you arrive at the airport, 10 yr ago this visa cost $35 each....


You can get an e-visa online - before travelling - cost $20 to US citizens ..

http://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/apply/

Most developed nations can buy one on arrival - not worth the hassle - as IF you somehow arrive at a regional airport - you may need to pay cash and be escorted through the border to get to an ATM - worn this t-shirt- not a scenario you'd face at Istanbul.

Russian nationals do not need a visa


Meeting in a third destination for the first meeting ? ... Hmmm...



« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 02:20:52 AM by msmob »

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #89 on: January 10, 2019, 01:52:26 AM »
That's the problem USA black and white thinking.  Actually had a briefing from a usaf  officer referring to good guys and bad guys.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2019, 02:08:03 AM »
That's the problem USA black and white thinking.  Actually had a briefing from a usaf  officer referring to good guys and bad guys.

James -- you may have missed it--- but forum is full of simplistic Americans !! ;D :tmi:


plus -- some simpletom poms !
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2019, 04:34:15 AM »
And some members from the British penal colonies too

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First trip to Russia
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2019, 10:55:18 AM »
good information, I will suggest this, she has relative's in Minsk.

I rarely would recommend this for first time meetings but, Russians have visa free access to Mexico.
Fly both of you to Cabo, let her get some sand between her toes and frolic around in a bikini. Shorter
flight for you and it's highly unlikely that Mexico is on the do not go list. In Minsk, you might run into
similar problems with your employer.   

NOTE: This is a photo I pulled off the internet on a sport fishing in Cabo site. It's not me or anyone I know


« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 12:42:54 PM by 2tallbill »
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There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2019, 12:37:05 PM »
I rarely would recommend this for first time meetings but, Russian have visa free access to Mexico.
Fly both of you to Cabo, let her get some sand between her toes and frolic around in a bikini. Shorter
flight for you and it's highly unlikely that Mexico is on the do not go list. In Minsk, you might run into
similar problems with your employer.   

NOTE: This is a photo I pulled off the internet on a sport fishing in Cabo site. It's not me or anyone I know


Not a bad idea.....
every ship can be a minesweeper at least once...

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2019, 12:57:29 PM »
And if you really fancy her stick her in your suitcase and drive her over the border thats why we meet them in paris..not my style... But it's been done

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« Reply #95 on: January 10, 2019, 03:06:21 PM »
Not a bad idea.....

For a first meeting I almost always recommend visiting her in her home city and
wait until you know things work out before visiting to a vacation spot. Imagine if
she turns out to be a she devil or crazy, then you are stuck together on vacation.

I think the worst situation would be on a cruise ship together and have it not work
out.

If you can't travel to her home country without losing your job, then I can think of
a lot of places worse than Cabo.

NOTE: If you go to CABO ALWAYS WEAR SUNGLASSES AT ALL TIMES!!!
It will protect your eyes from those umbrella drinks

« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 03:10:14 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2019, 05:49:03 AM »
And if you really fancy her stick her in your suitcase and drive her over the border thats why we meet them in paris..not my style... But it's been done
lol...... I will bring this up.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2019, 05:52:52 AM »
I rarely would recommend this for first time meetings but, Russians have visa free access to Mexico.
Fly both of you to Cabo
Cabo out of the question, exinlaws live there 6months of the year. But I will suggest another City in Mexico. I like the idea of seeing her in a bikini.

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2019, 08:14:19 AM »
Cowboy one of the most important Russian words you need to know.....popa...just tell her that her popa looks good .  It means ....Nice bikini...

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Re: First trip to Russia
« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2019, 10:35:56 PM »
Better you feel a 'connection' of the heart and mind ... the soul... and learn to tell your intended how you FEEL about her and you're more likely to see her in a bikini for many years ...not just one holiday ( vacation)

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