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« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2019, 03:41:02 PM »
Are you sure of that?  I thought it is based on twelve months of income or savings, which must be proven.


Perhaps a UK poster can confirm.


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« Reply #151 on: January 02, 2019, 07:51:01 PM »
I''f you’re using income from self-employment or employment, you’ll need to prove you or your partner received that income for 6 months or more.''

 http://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa/proof-income

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« Reply #152 on: January 02, 2019, 11:31:50 PM »
Are you sure of that?  I thought it is based on twelve months of income or savings, which must be proven.


Perhaps a UK poster can confirm.


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Employment must cover six consecutive months before the application and evidence of self-employment must normally cover the latest financial year.
Savings should cover 6 months as well.

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« Reply #153 on: January 04, 2019, 05:10:06 PM »
It is, when it was first brought in there was complaints amount the amount. Since then inflation has meant that many more people find it easier to meet this threshold. I could do by taking on a few more hours from the standard 37.5 hours per week I am presently on at £16k per year. No point doing this until I meet a woman though as I can make more money by converting my house.

Good grief, you are too stupid for me to waste another second of my time.

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« Reply #154 on: January 04, 2019, 06:59:49 PM »
2tallbill this is the UK restoring your house makes way more money than working for some one else.  I went from nothing to nearly 2m before divorce doing exactly this.

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« Reply #155 on: January 04, 2019, 07:06:13 PM »
I'm fairly certain I'm in sugar daddies apartment and went on holidays funded partly by sugar daddy.  Obviously I'm not going to marry this girl or I will become sugar daddy and it will be rinse and repeat.

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« Reply #156 on: January 04, 2019, 08:20:18 PM »
Why are you still there? If you think it's over then move on. Plenty of fish in the seas.

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« Reply #157 on: January 04, 2019, 11:24:26 PM »
2tallbill this is the UK restoring your house makes way more money than working for some one else.  I went from nothing to nearly 2m before divorce doing exactly this.
Not in the way Trench is doing. You were probably buying houses, renovating them and then selling on at a profit.
Trench is renovating some bedrooms ( read that as the decorating) his Mums house to take in lodgers.
With that rental income he plans to fund his stays in Ukraine/ Belarus.

Trench is already working a full time job for 16k. That seems to be a low level clerical/admin type job. I doubt there’s much scope for overtime to bring his income up to the minimum requirement of £18600.
On the other hand he tells us he’s going to stay in the FSU for extended periods funded by his measly rental income. I would assume that means giving up his current job.
So his sums don’t add up.
Sorry Trench, no money, no honey.

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« Reply #158 on: January 06, 2019, 10:58:53 AM »
Trench is already working a full time job for 16k.

Seems I remember him saying he was not working full time for that money; but that he could put in more hours.
I could be wrong.
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« Reply #159 on: January 06, 2019, 11:09:33 AM »
Seems I remember him saying he was not working full time for that money; but that he could put in more hours.
I could be wrong.

I see no fault in your recollection of Trench's  assertions ;)

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« Reply #160 on: January 06, 2019, 11:14:31 AM »
Seems I remember him saying he was not working full time for that money; but that he could put in more hours.
I could be wrong.
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I could do by taking on a few more hours from the standard 37.5 hours per week I am presently on at £16k per year. No point doing this until I meet a woman though as I can make more money by converting my house.
37.5 hrs per week is a considered a full working week. I doubt many employers would want to dole out overtime pay regularly.
I see the troll can’t help himself, again.

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« Reply #161 on: January 06, 2019, 11:23:40 AM »
Sighs,

here we go again ...

37.5 hrs per week is a considered a full working week.

'Sorry', but by whom ? NOT by me ...   

The UK / US are but two examples of this being the norm - with overtime  due after these hours ...









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« Reply #162 on: January 06, 2019, 12:16:18 PM »
If you think laterally anyone can earn 30000 before tax for 40 hours that leaves time for renervations.  Thankfully I do all kinds of things and project manage and since I got the f s u addiction I must admit the daily grind holds little appeal.  Luckily I just finished a mega project

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« Reply #163 on: January 06, 2019, 12:37:06 PM »
Sighs,

here we go again ...

'Sorry', but by whom ? NOT by me ...   

The UK / US are but two examples of this being the norm - with overtime  due after these hours ...

Everything over 35 hours/week is considered full time employment. Everything over 40 hours/week is considered full time + overtime :)  (here)

aaaand according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-time

 Australia: approximately 38 hours[1]
 Belgium: 38 hours
 Brazil: 40–44 hours[citation needed]
 Chile: 45 hours[citation needed]
 Denmark: 37 hours
 France: 35 hours (government-mandated)[2]
 Germany: 35–40 hours
 Iceland: 40 hours
 India: 48 hours (as per the Factories Act 1948, a person cannot work for more than 48 hours in a week)
 Taiwan: 40 hours[3]
 Israel: 43 hours
 Italy: 40 hours
 Netherlands: 35–40 hours[4]
 Norway: 40 hours[5] (often regulated to 37.5 excl. lunch break)
 Poland: 40 hours
 Russia: 40 hours
 Sweden: 40 hours (not formally defined)[6]
 United Kingdom: 35 hours (not formally defined),[7] 37.5 hours, or 40 hours contracts are all commonplace.
 United States: 30 hours or more, according to the definitions in the Affordable Care Act.[8][9][10][11] "The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not define full-time employment or part-time employment. This is a matter generally to be determined by the employer."[12]
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« Reply #164 on: January 06, 2019, 01:00:02 PM »
Nightwish UK has the European working time directive.  Most employers gently suggest you sign that right away many desk jockeys work 60 hours a week as do most construction workers.  Because if someone's going to pay us were going to stick 2 fingers up to Europe.

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« Reply #165 on: January 06, 2019, 01:56:56 PM »
In the US employees are categorized as exempt or non exempt.  Hourly workers are regulated at 40 hours per week, with any time beyond counted as overtime.  Each state also has other restrictions - for example, Massachusetts dictate no one can work more than 7 consecutive days without a day off, regardless of overtime pay.

Salaried (career) workers can be encouraged to work 50/60/70+ hours per week, informally via peer pressure for yearly reviews/promotions/bonuses, or by "suggestions" from management, without additional pay.

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« Reply #166 on: January 08, 2019, 05:23:48 AM »
Everything over 35 hours/week is considered full time employment. Everything over 40 hours/week is considered full time + overtime :)  (here)

aaaand according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-time

You neglected to post THIS part:

"The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject. "

I appreciate this is very subjective, but the point I was making is that working to a 40 hours a week contract  is not considered to be onerous / unusual in the US / UK as a full time contract

I also appreciate that IS 'onerous' in other EU nations


Lastly I hope YOU appreciate we're ( contextually ) talking Trench = UK


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« Reply #167 on: January 08, 2019, 05:46:59 AM »
Not necessarily, in the UK it can be just the previous 6 months before application. Now consider how long it will likely take just to get to marriage stage with a girl.

LOL you are a riot Trench, very amusing :)  Your 'forward thinking' is when you lean way over and stick your head 'up there'.

I can imagine the scenario...  you 'magically' meet 'the one' and she's ready and wants to leave with you soonest... 'Sorry hun.. have to go find a better job and work before I can apply for the partner visa...  See ya in 6 months++, sorry won't be able to visit in the meantime...  Will send you a one way ticket."

Impressive.

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« Reply #168 on: January 08, 2019, 06:07:18 AM »
You forgot the part where she finds out you don't drive a quality German car. 

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« Reply #169 on: January 08, 2019, 09:45:53 AM »
In the US employees are categorized as exempt or non exempt.  Hourly workers are regulated at 40 hours per week, with any time beyond counted as overtime.  Each state also has other restrictions - for example, Massachusetts dictate no one can work more than 7 consecutive days without a day off, regardless of overtime pay.

Generally, 40 hours is the measure separating regular from overtime. But not always. Certain trade is mandated by how many hours they actually work as a regular shift in a given 24 hour period. Nurses could work 12 hrs/day, 3 days/week and is deemed as full-time schedule, or an equivalent of working the full 5-40. Firemen, flight attendants, etc..also have their own schedule constituting their own 'full time' status. 

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Salaried (career) workers can be encouraged to work 50/60/70+ hours per week, informally via peer pressure for yearly reviews/promotions/bonuses, or by "suggestions" from management, without additional pay.

I employ field superintendents in both hourly (union) and salaried format. For those opting to be on straight salaried payroll, they're usually on a much higher rate of pay. They do not get paid 'OT', but they never miss a full check regardless of our workload. They work 10 hrs. in a week, they get full pay. No work for a week, they get full pay, etc...But then, they work Saturdays, weekends, etc...no premium pay.

As for performance, I give my crew bonus incentives for each project. Anything beyond 'projected profit margin (exc. overhead)', it will be sliced and divided to various players responsible. I challenge them to 'beat my cost'. It's worked out well for all of us.

EOY bonuses is a separate package and strictly for merit and dedication.
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« Reply #170 on: January 11, 2019, 08:40:01 PM »
Trench, why are you trying to romance yourself, instead of romancing ladies?  Like Boe said, you're romanticising living in the FSU.  You want to make a girl get dreamy eyed, and want to drop everything and move to a different country to be with you.

You view relationships and sex as a transactional exchange.  The only thing you will attract with this mindset are prostitutes and gold diggers.  Until you change your mindset, that's the best you can hope for.

You are deeply bitter and resentful about so many women being fat, and bitter and resentful about not having a girl.  While you are a jackass about it, there is one extremely important good thing about it.  It means that you believe you deserve better than the options you see before you.  People go for what they believe they deserve. 

I'm going to throw you a few bones.  I'm going to assume that deep down, you have some qualities that some woman could find endearing.  First, forget the BS advice most of the guys on here are giving you about how to attract women.  Their advice works for extroverts, and if you are an introvert, their advice is worthless.  Introverts have other qualities, which are extremely powerful on women.  Women want romance.  Women want an emotional connection.  But what does this really mean, and how do we do that?

Boe used to have a tagline quote from Dostoyevsky - to love someone means to see them as God sees them.  I think pitbull has used a tagline about being the person your dog thinks you are.  You need to understand what they are really saying, and what this really means.  These scream ROMANCE.  These scream imagining things to be better than they really are, and also seeing someone's potential.

ro·man·ti·cize: deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make (something) seem better or more appealing than it really is.

Many guys go crazy over porn.  We are visually stimulated.  But what nobody really talks about, is that women are just as addicted to porn. (if not even more so.)  The only thing is, it's in a different form.  Women love mental porn, from chick flick movies to romance novels.  Women are mentally stimulated.

I'm going to teach you a way that any guy can get a girl out of his league, because there is no girl out of your league.  And the part that will appeal to your cheapskate nature, this can be done dirt cheap.  This method will not get every girl, but you are not looking to marry any girl.  But if it does get a girl's attention, she will be VERY interested in you.  As an added bonus, this method is a 99% sure method of weeding out gold-diggers and finding very good girls.

Do not use this method on any girl.  Pick a handful of the hottest girls you are interested in. (Don't write 50 or 100 women.  This works so good that you won't have time to deal with all the women wanting your attention.)  Be very, very picky.

I read a study once, that found that if you want someone to fall in love with you, all you need to do is be as nice as possible to them every day for 60 days.  After 60 days, you can treat them like crap, and they will still love you. 

I want you to compile 60 folders.  In each folder, I want you to make a photo essay.  I want you to write a truthful story about yourself, or things you have done, and include pictures.  I also want you to write it in Russian.  You can use Google translate, but translate it one sentence at a time, choosing the translation that makes the most sense. (I will explain why I want you to write in Russian later.)  Do not complain about anything, or be negative in these photo essays. 

For example, the way I would do it, I might take a few photos of my backyard chicken flock, and a few photos of raising baby chicks.  I would talk about having chickens, and how I enjoy raising baby chicks and trying to breed better chickens.  I cull out hens that don't lay many eggs, and skinny or mean roosters.  (To a guy, we might think talking about this is stupid.  To a girl, it brings back memories of gathering eggs with her grandma on the farm, or chicken dinner, or playing with baby chicks when she was a little girl.  It doesn't matter what she remembers or daydreams about - the only thing important is that it caused an emotional reaction in her mind...and because you triggered that emotional reaction, she creates an emotional connection with you.)

My next door neighbor lady is 78 years old.  She has smoked her whole life, and has breathing problems.  She is on oxygen and is pretty much housebound.  Her daughters live about an hour away.  Every day, I bring in her mail and her paper. I take out her trash.  I mow her yard in the summer, and go to the store and get groceries for her.  The lady and her daughters have agreed that I can buy her 10 acres after she dies.  (To a girl, it shows how caring and considerate I am of old people...and how I might treat her when she gets that old.  I'm showing her that I am a white knight, without trying to flaunt it.)

I might show a girl a picture of me with my niece at her wedding.  I can talk about how I would catch wild baby bunnies, baby raccoons, a baby flying squirrel, etc. and gave them to my niece when she was little.  (Women love baby animals - it makes their maternal instincts kick in.)  My oldest sister was a single mom, so I was a little involved in her kid's lives growing up.  When my niece and nephew got a beagle puppy, I built a doghouse for it.  I would mow my sister's lawn.  One Christmas when my niece and nephew were probably 12 or 13, I bought them 10 speed mountain bikes from Walmart.  My niece has said told people that I was the cool uncle.  (The girl you are writing is going to be remembering the joy and excitement she had when she was a little girl, holding a baby bunny or playing with small animals. Maybe she had a bike, and remembers the funtimes she had on it.  Or maybe she didn't have a bike, but she wanted one - when I tell her about buying my niece a bike, the girl fantasizes about how much fun it would have been to be able to ride everywhere, with the wind in her hair.  And also, the girl is thinking what a good family man I am.)

When I was 26, my Aunt lived in South Dakota and was moving back home to be closer to family.  My brother and I drove out to help her move back, but we turned it into a 2 week vacation.  We went out to Yellowstone, Devil's Tower, Craters of the Moon, the Upper and Lower Mesa Falls, the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore, Jewel Cave, etc.  I took tons of pics.  (First, the girl thinks about how family is important to me.  Secondly, she imagines what it would be like to be with me, seeing those sights.  When do you a photo essay, she fantasizes that she is with you too.)

I normally run about 100 hives of honeybees.  I have some nice pics of my hives at different places, and pics of me selling honey at farmers markets and craft shows.  I can talk about bees all day long.  I can write about how I was working in a machine shop when I got started in bees.  A co-worker's elderly father had a stroke and was unable to take care of his bees anymore, so the coworker was selling the bees and honey equipment.  I had a little extra money in my pocket, so I bought the stuff.  (The girl sees that I have extra money saved back that I can splurge sometimes.  She may have fond memories of eating honey from her childhood.  Maybe she has a relative that keeps bees.  And she can see that I am entrepreneurial, and earning a little money.)

I have 1/2 acre of thornless blackberries.  I would write about selling them at farmers markets, etc.  I have some nice pictures of the plants loaded with huge, beautiful berries.  (The girl may have fond memories of picking berries with her family when she was a little girl, or maybe fresh blackberry pie is her favorite.)

The list of things to write about goes on and on.  Just write about your own personal experiences.  If you don't have experiences like this to write about, go make and live a little, and gain some experiences.  And take some pictures of them.  Send a girl one email per week with a photo essay in it.  That gives her a whole week to daydream and marinate in her thoughts about you and the experience you shared.  Don't worry about not having good social skills.  She won't see that.  You control what she sees, and what she daydreams about.  The big catch is, don't make anything up.  Everything you share has to be real.  You see, you are becoming the man of her dreams, and you don't want to disappoint her in real life.  You can have a zillion flaws, insecurities, and bad habits - she will accept those, as long as you have all the good qualities you shared with her.  As long as you can buy the kids bicycles, get the mail for the elderly neighbor lady, go on vacation to Yellowstone and Jewel Cave...you're golden.

What you are doing is imprinting.  As long as the girl reads your emails and looks at your photos, it will cause a good emotional reaction.  (Keep sending emails, even if the girl doesn't write back.)  When you do this over and over, she associates the good feelings she has with puppies, gathering eggs with grandma, blackberry pie, the wind in her hair on her bike, etc. - she associates those feelings with you.  When she thinks of you, it makes her experience the feelings she had when she held the baby bunny for the first time, etc.

By writing in Russian, she doesn't notice the language barrier.  In her mind, you can communicate easily.  You are able to understand each other.  (And you can, when you use google translate.)  Or once she begins to take a strong interest in you, you can start writing in English to help her improve her skills.

Gold-diggers and fun time girls aren't going to waste their time on some dumb guy writing emails about everyday life.  (They will be interested if you are writing about how much money you make, or how much stuff you have.)  The girls who want a good family man will be interested in what you write.  While other guys are sending dick pics, you are sending pics of fun, everyday life.  Which pics do you think the girl will be fantasizing about?

As a girl is interested in you, she will start being more and more engaged, asking you questions about things you did, and she will start sharing her experiences.  You will start to click, and you will find yourself having longer and longer conversations. 

Some extroverted guys are slick talkers, and can get 20 dates in 20 minutes.  You may not get as many dates with this method, but if you do this, the girls you decide to meet will be very interested in you, because you are showing them your inner world.  This is one way a guy can build a relationship with a girl over the computer that is not based on money.  It's not foolproof, but it will get decent girls interested in you.

Trench, if you don't believe me, ask the women on here what went through their minds when they read about my blackberry patch, my niece and baby bunnies, bicycles, Yellowstone, etc.  Ask them if they would have been interested in meeting a man who wrote them emails like I mentioned...even if the guy was an average looking guy.    (And I did not discuss how much money I made, how big my house is, etc.)  Or would they pass on a guy like this, and go for the tall, dark, and handsome guy with the fancy sports car and the 6 figure salary?

Have you ever heard stories of a woman who walked away from a nice life to go be with some guy she met on the internet?  Did you wonder how the guy managed to get the girl?  This is how he got the girl.  He showed her the best points of his life (or made her believe it was better than it was) - and she began to fantasize what it would be like for her to be living that life with the guy too.  Women love romance and fantasy and living in their imaginations.  Help the girl to fantasize about being with you. 

An unexpected thing is going to happen though Trench.  As the girl becomes interested in your inner world, your hopes and dreams, and who you are inside, you are going to start wanting to be able to offer this girl all of life's luxuries.  Not because you are afraid someone else will steal her who can offer those things, but because you like her so much you want her to have the best that you can provide.  You will start trying to earn more money, and giving her a nicer life, simply because it makes her happy, and you want to show her how much you appreciate having her in your life.  You will have the old clunker car, while you let her drive the nice newer car.  You'll buy her a pack of cigarettes or a drink, and not think twice about it.

Heck, send a few girls an email with a photo essay like this once a week, and in 2-3 months, tell me if you don't have at least one girl that seems infatuated by you, and wants to talk everyday about anything and everything.

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Re: Anyone else here thinking of/dreaming of living in the FSU?
« Reply #171 on: May 07, 2019, 05:51:47 AM »
Saw these beautifully quaint village property for sale in Ukraine, and the most beautifult thing is that they are going dirt cheap :usd:

http://www.uaproperty.com/ua-offers/c1579r/kiev/ukrainian-cottage-for-sale-two-hours-from-kiev/

http://www.uaproperty.com/ua-offers/c1579r/kiev/house-for-sale-near-kiev/

http://www.uaproperty.com/ua-offers/c1579r/great-value-cottage-for-sale-near-kiev-with-internal-bathroom/

Last one puts annual property tax of probably around $20, laughably cheap. They tend to be a bit of a dstance out, about the same as where I live on the south coast to London so not ridiculously far from Kiev but no uber convieniant for it. No doubt stuff a bit closer and slightly higher priced would be more convienient. So Lada would be needed with these ones, but I couldn't dream of a more cheaper and lovely way to live in Ukraine, traditional Ukrainian village house with beautiful lush countryside scenery to enjoy around, no concrete block isores and urban jungle feel. Imagine buying up one of these places with no mortgage and £500 to live one, doable you think? Most have ample land to grow vegatables and fruit to save on supermarket shopping. Maybe I might even spot a nice well breasted village girl that Krim so often mentions :D In the southern England such a place as these would go for a song, maybe at least £200k or more. Thoughts anyone?
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Re: Anyone else here thinking of/dreaming of living in the FSU?
« Reply #172 on: May 07, 2019, 08:01:13 AM »
Trench, those are "dachas" not domas
YOU can live in a dacha by yourself if you want to
but don't expect to have a family live inside there

OTOH, I've built a large house by myself in Ukraine for less than $30,000
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Re: Anyone else here thinking of/dreaming of living in the FSU?
« Reply #173 on: May 07, 2019, 08:58:47 AM »
They are not necessarily dachas.  However, at least one of those properties appears to have farmland, so a foreigner cannot legally own the property.  That means when the state decides it's illegal, too bad - confiscated, no compensation.  Furthermore, often, such properties don't have indoor plumbing and wood burning stoves.


The probability of "village girls" living there is pretty remote.


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Re: Anyone else here thinking of/dreaming of living in the FSU?
« Reply #174 on: May 07, 2019, 09:23:14 AM »
no BO, it's not setup as farmland, it means they cleared a patch a land...
there are gazillions of these for sale all around kyiv, older ones are off the Borispol airport highway
they're small cabins with gardens...
they aren't bachelor pads, they aren't for families...
they're for camping in during holidays and gardening in spring and summer
I did spend a quiet romantic weekend with my wife in one that had a fireplace
we ended doing an insane thing however
after a heavy snow and ice downpour
we went sledding on Hrushevskoho Street in Kyiv
it must have been a couple of hundred meters of pure downhill ice
I went to the market and bought a bunch of sleds for everyone
and we drove over to the top of Hrushevskoho Street and we sled all the way down!
unfortunately, when you hit the bottom of the hill you're doing 30+ mph
i was able able to keep my sled stable, maybe because I'm heavier
but my wife wasn't and she slid off the street straight into a large puddle!
she was completely soaked, we returned straight away to the dacha
she stripped and laid naked in front of the fire place to get warm
Ukrainian women are tough!!
yet paradoxically so damned damned good loooking!
In general ownership of anything in Ukraine or Russia is always tenuous...
this is the reason why oligarchs NEED to get their money out...
there is no honor among thieves...


« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 09:36:13 AM by krimster2 »
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