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« on: January 29, 2019, 09:53:41 AM »

No 'Honor' killings but a male dominated society of having a family 'Patroni' the eldest male making sure their women keep their honor. This I've been told by Georgian men I've gotten to know and some Western women who teach English here. Women keeping their virginity until marriage is expected. An American told me things were warming up between a young Georgian woman and himself until one day he was met at his door by three of her male relatives...
A young Georgian woman I knew, mostly from online, a few times on the phone, and twice in person but always in the accompany of her brothers or her cousin George. She told me it was true that Georgian woman were expected to remain virtuous until marriage, but the men were expected to sow their wild oats.

I know of many stories of Polish ladies remaining virgins until married at age 30.  That is still part of the Catholic culture there.  Conversely, there have been many stories about thousands of Russian girls selling their virginity online to the likes of Arab businessmen, and some more than once after having their hymens restored.  Obviously, saving themselves for marriage is a very quaint, old-fashioned idea.  They have learned they have a marketable commodity.  Despite the reports, I only found one high end escort site in Germany offering this service.   One would think that according to the law of supply and demand, if supply (online) increases, the prices should drop.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2019, 01:53:48 PM »
Ple-ease

I go to Poland and Russia and know 3 generations of Poles and Russians in the UK / Cyprus

What you just posted - sorry - is twaddle


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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2019, 05:17:26 PM »
UW used to say that as well. But everyone discounted it. They used to say, roughly translated, “A virgin in her left ear.”  It loses something in translation.

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 10:19:20 AM »
Ple-ease
I go to Poland and Russia and know 3 generations of Poles and Russians in the UK / Cyprus
What you just posted - sorry - is twaddle

Poles and Russians are culturally different.  Russia became much less religious under communism.  In Poland religion helped them conquer it.  Polish society is more conservative than the former Soviet states.  In Poland a girl selling her virginity online would be shameful.  It's not that they are all angels, far from it, but that the standards are higher, as with Georgia.

UW used to say that as well. But everyone discounted it. They used to say, roughly translated, “A virgin in her left ear.”  It loses something in translation.

This post was composed without the aid of google.

There is such a thing as a dirty virgin.  She only needs to be a virgin in one place, and it is not her ear...

P.S.  Google is a proper noun.  It should be capitalized in English.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 11:48:08 AM »
Poles and Russians are culturally different.  Russia became much less religious under communism.  In Poland religion helped them conquer it.

If anything, Poland is less religious and Russia more conservative ( pious ?)  now ...  Religion was one of two forces that  overcame totalitarianism - in Poland - the other was the workers .... 

Polish society is [ Moby suggestion WAS ] more conservative than the former Soviet states.  In Poland a girl selling her virginity online would be shameful.  It's not that they are all angels, far from it, but that the standards are higher, as with Georgia.


How often do you go to Poland ? I've never used the services of a sex-worker but the adverts for same are not invisible ....


P.S.  Google is a proper noun.  It should be capitalized in English.

Actually, it's a collective noun in the context you use and I make no apology for the lower case 'g' ... as *I* was using it as a verb ... 

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2019, 02:33:33 AM »
How often do you go to Poland ?

Far more often than you, and I have traveled around it extensively.  I know it quite well.

I've never used the services of a sex-worker but the adverts for same are not invisible ....

I don't either, but the only place in Poland I recall seeing such marketing, (i.e., very small printed advertisements left on car windshields and then blown around the streets), was in downtown Warsaw.  Prostitution itself isn't illegal in Poland, only promoting it and pimping, so it isn't unusual to see it in the capital city when it isn't so visible in other places.  Similarly, prostitution and other similar things like massage services and strip clubs are much more visible in Kiev than in other parts of Ukraine, and far more visible than in Warsaw.  Poland has attracted many women from the former Soviet states, and not a few are employed as strippers or sex workers.  So the fact that it is apparent doesn't prove that the workers are all Polish women.  Hardly.

If anything, Poland is less religious and Russia more conservative ( pious ?)  now ...
Religiosity and political conservatism are frequently related, but not quite the same thing.  I certainly didn't see an increase in religiosity in my last trip to Russia just over a year ago in comparison to my first trip many years prior.  Poland is presently governed by a president and two houses of the legislature that are quite strongly identified with conservative Catholicism.   They passed laws against businesses staying open on Sundays and proposed making abortions harder to have, even when Poland has one of the strictest anti-abortion laws already.:
http://foreignpolicy.com/2019/01/08/poland-is-trying-to-make-abortion-dangerous-illegal-and-impossible/
Support for the present Polish government is strongest in the rural areas of the country and the East, and weakest in the major cities such as Warsaw and the tri-city area of Gadansk, Gdynia, and Sopot.  Krakow is traditonaly more conservative than these places.  You appear to be talking out your dupa about Poland.  That is nothing new on this forum.

Religion was one of two forces that  overcame totalitarianism - in Poland - the other was the workers .... 

Another factor that you miss is that communism was imposed by an invading army that took half of the country, declared that Slavs in the West who spoke related dialects of Western Slavic languages were now Poles, and continued to occupy the resulting political state for over 50 years.  Nationalism certainly played a role in things as well.

Actually, it's a collective noun in the context you use and I make no apology for the lower case 'g' ... as *I* was using it as a verb ...

Who knew that msmob and Boethius are actually one and the same person?  It's not surprising to read such nonsense that Google was not used as a proper noun, when plainly it was. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2019, 07:25:50 AM »
Far more often than you, and I have traveled around it extensively.  I know it quite well.

I SERIOUSLY doubt it - esp given your myopic viewpoints as to reality


I don't either, [ moby - we are referring to the use of prostitutes ] but the only place in Poland I recall seeing such marketing, (i.e., very small printed advertisements left on car windshields and then blown around the streets), was in downtown Warsaw. 

Then - as we will see shortly - you demonstrate selective vision ..

Prostitution itself isn't illegal in Poland, only promoting it and pimping, so it isn't unusual to see it in the capital city when it isn't so visible in other places.  Similarly, prostitution and other similar things like massage services and strip clubs are much more visible in Kiev than in other parts of Ukraine, and far more visible than in Warsaw.  Poland has attracted many women from the former Soviet states, and not a few are employed as strippers or sex workers.  So the fact that it is apparent doesn't prove that the workers are all Polish women.  Hardly.

Tosh - just 'google' - as in a verb ( action - NOT a 'NOUN')  "escorts in Warsaw" - and that should put a lid on your 'knowledge'  - or lack of reality ire Poland

Indeed - many FSU folk can be found in former Warsaw Pact nations - such as Poland, Czech republic - and they do not ( just ) rely on the sex industry ...    Neither of us know much about the sex industry to be 'experts' - right ?

Comparing religiosity and political conservatism are frequently related, but not quite the same thing.  I certainly didn't see an increase in religion in my last trip to Russia just over a year ago in comparison to my first trip many years prior.  Poland is presently governed by a president and two houses of the legislature that are quite strongly identified with conservative Catholicism. 

 :ROFL:  I see v.little Christian-like 'tolerance' in sweeping aside the makeup of the Supreme Court, anti-immigration and attempts to disallow a raped women to be forbidden an abortion ....

Where IS Warsaw located in Poland  - there was me thinking it was in the far east - near the Belarus frontier .......?



 They passed laws against businesses staying open on Sundays

'I am an Ulster PROTESTANT and quite happy to have the shops closed on Sundays )

Another factor that you miss is that communism was imposed by an invading army that took half of the country, declared that Slavs in the West who spoke related dialects of Western Slavic languages were now Poles, and continued to occupy the resulting political state for over 50 years.  Nationalism certainly played a role in things as well.

Incorrect - the Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact initially split the West Nazi / and East ( Communism ) and Poles found themselves being expected to know German / Russian ....  followed by Russian   

Poland had even previously disappeared and before that had occupied much of western Russian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland%E2%80%93Russia_border


Who knew that msmob and Boethiues are actually one and the same person?  It's not surprising to read such nonsense that Google was not used as a proper noun, when plainly it was.

Well ONE of us is of Ukrainian lineage and female and t'other ( me) has no known lineage to the FSU

Unlike you - we DO understand the use of 'to google' - as a VERB


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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 02:06:19 PM »
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 06:55:07 PM »
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

And where can these replacement hymens be purchased?

Do they come in different thicknesses?
What if the woman acquires one that is too thick (impenetrable)?

I checked on ebay and saw nothing.

- - - -  -

On a related (maybe) note.

I was with a gal who was extremely tight, even in her late 30s.
Like a first time virgin . . . every time.
She had child by cesarean section, presumably because of her small passage way.

Would have been fairly ideal, except . . .
She drank too much and was a terrible snorer.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2019, 10:25:42 PM »
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

In the UK, 'Fanny-plasatomy' operations - can be lucrative - if not very rewarding - work ..This type of 'improvement' .....? I must ask my biz partner how prevalent hymen replacements are ! 

Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' us at the 'rear' of a lady ? ..... If I a lass from N.American asks, "do you like my fanny"  to a Brit / Irish man ....

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 06:53:01 AM »
Really strange post.  I have met a gynaecologist that performed hymen replacements for mainly Turkish clients.

Well it started out in a thread about Georgian women, where like Turkey, virginity is prized.  I remember a story I heard about the Greek community in North America 25 years ago about a young woman who was humiliated at her bridal shower for not being a virgin for her fiancé.  The tradition was that they put a white sheet on a bed and guests left money for the bride.  In her case, they put a black sheet on the bed and no one left any money.  The Greek girls had a reputation for doing everything but vaginal intercourse to remain, technically, virgins until marriage.

It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches?  Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

Indeed - many FSU folk can be found in former Warsaw Pact nations - such as Poland, Czech republic - and they do not ( just ) rely on the sex industry ...    Neither of us know much about the sex industry to be 'experts' - right ?

The FSU girls have quite a reputation in Poland.  I do know that Polish men make jokes about “tania Tanya”.  The Polish border guards at the crossing to Kaliningrad are reported to not permit Polish men to cross without showing they have brought condoms.

  I see v.little Christian-like 'tolerance' in sweeping aside the makeup of the Supreme Court, anti-immigration and attempts to disallow a raped women to be forbidden an abortion ....
'I am an Ulster PROTESTANT and quite happy to have the shops closed on Sundays )

Plainly he is not a Catholic who understands that his idea of “tolerance” does not match the doctrine of the Church that abortion is not morally justifiable in cases of rape, since the child is innocent of the crime.  Even when the mother's life is danger from the pregnancy the church has been slow to recognize a mother's right to “self-defense”.  Poland's present government has been very committed to following the doctrine of the Catholic church and the Pope, not Ulster Protestants.

Incorrect - the Molotov - Ribbentrop Pact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pactpact initially split the West Nazi / and East ( Communism ) and Poles found themselves being expected to know German / Russian ....  followed by Russian   

Initially?  Really? Then why did the Soviets only return Przemyśl and a very small area of what they took around Białystok and Suwalki out of  a territory that was over 50% of the land of The Second Polish Republic?   A typical ignorant post that ignores that WWII began to remove an independent Polish state from the map and ended without its proper restoration due to treacherous “allies”.  Since  September 1st, 1939 Poland until the last Soviet troops left on September 18, 1993, Poland had been under continuous occupation by one or both of these two allies.  That is a period of over 54 years.   

Where IS Warsaw located in Poland  - there was me thinking it was in the far east - near the Belarus frontier .......?

Traditionally, Warsaw is considered to be in central to Western Poland.  The Wilno/Vilnius area,  Belarus (of yore Lithuania) and (what is now called) Western Ukraine comprise what was the Polish kresy in the East.  The people of this area were much less Catholic, and more Orthodox.  One of its traditions was mixed marriages with the agreement that sons took the religion of the fathers and daughters took that of the mothers.  (In this way, God cold be said to have chosen the child's faith.)  So, even in the FSU, there remained some Polish culture, even if it was driven underground or its people deported to Siberia and Kazakhstan. 

Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' us at the 'rear' of a lady ?

Why do modern Brits and their Northern Irish countrymen lack a command of the English Language?  “us at the 'rear'"?  Why are you at the rear?  Sounds like an admission of being quite a dupa!
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 09:07:44 AM »
It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts
why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches? 
Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage. They have them in places like Georgia for
example but to marry one you will have to move to their country, learn the language, join
their church attend 3 hours every Sunday, fast nearly a hundred days per year. Then you
have to get to know a family and only then you can pursue on of their daughters.

What happens if you do all of that and marry her and find out that she doesn't like sex all
that much and she also wants to abstain during the 100 fast days? 

I went to Georgia to meet a girl from Kutaisi in Tblisi, but I didn't go because she was a
virgin, I went because I really, really liked her. It didn't work out.

I would examine what your goals are and if this is really super important for you.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 09:14:25 AM »
As most of you guys know I went to Krakow in Poland last Summer and found exactly as Strider describes. Women there are very conservative so far as dating is concerned and a very tough nut to crack in terms of street pick up. Most women there will not even meet the eyes of a passer by particularly as he draws near but instead averts her eyes away, Ukrainian girls are quite the opposite, they 'love' to be oggled and have eye contact.

I walked around the hypermarket (Carrefour - the french chain I believe) in Krakow in the big new huge shopping mall built right alongside the train station in Krakow. A couple of guys in there in there mid forties or so I guess were trying to chat up a Polish women they had fronted up in the shupermarket (I say fronted up as again while shopping Polish women tend to avoid eye contact looking only at the produce, away or even towards the ground). They were putting the effort in and she was stood there being friendly enough going along with it until it became apparent why they were chatting to her was not really about the produce query as it seemed to be as far as I could make out but because one of them wanted to get to know her. Soon after that became apparent the woman and her friend tailed things off and took there leave. The guys were easy going enough about it all they were just going through the pick up routine but for Polish women they are a tough get. I lingered around looking at various produce in the backround as descretely and non-obviously as possible as if trying to decide what to buy while this was all happening as it looked an interesting learning opposrtunity as I wasn't finding it easy to get anywhere or even gain recogintion from Polish women.

It must be said though that young Polish women have great bods :D All are slender, a fattie is very hard to find, those that wear were basically American tourist girls, they dressed completely different. Polish women dress femninine in tight dresses to show off there fifgure but dresses that cover all, very few can be seen with boobs hanging out, unlike Ukrainain girls. American girls tend to dress scruffyish, t-shirt & jeans, almost always overweight so can be easily identified from their Polish counterparts. Not many Brits appear to go to rakow anymore, it mooks like the Stag & hen do stuff has moved on thankfully but no doubt the damage has been done. I would say more likely to come across a British guy there than a British girl.

Generally, I've no doubt that Polish girls can be great once in a relationship with them. Most though move in family and close friends cirlces and then of course is the catholic influence as Strider mentions of social conservatism, the orthodox faith doesn't reallt seem to extoll the same social conservatism to the extent the catholic faith does. Now I used to sit nest to a catholic girl in Further Education college while doing my A-levels. Now sehe wasn't as socially conservative as these Polish girls but putting it around was not a goer for her and how a girl is regarded seems to be a factor in their lives, its kind of a gossip culture with tabboos, should a girl break them and it becomes known then she is dissed behind her back and gets a bad name. Not to say that this girl I sat next to wouldn't get a bit horny with a guy of course she would but she would in most cases be careful as to not go around putting it about everywhere making it public knowledge.

So yea, if you wish to get with a Polish girl its probably no doubt easiest to try and make contact over the internet first or any connections you might be able to make perhaps with polish guys and do it that way, on the street it is just a hard task.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 09:29:35 AM »
Most though move in family and close friends cirlces and then of course is the catholic influence as Strider mentions of social conservatism, the orthodox faith doesn't reallt seem to extoll the same social conservatism to the extent the catholic faith does.


You base this on what?  Your vast knowledge of Orthodoxy?


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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 09:35:45 AM »
You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage. They have them in places like Georgia for
example
but to marry one you will have to move to their country, learn the language, join
their church attend 3 hours every Sunday, fast nearly a hundred days per year. Then you
have to get to know a family and only then you can pursue on of their daughters.

What happens if you do all of that and marry her and find out that she doesn't like sex all
that much and she also wants to abstain during the 100 fast days? 

I went to Georgia to meet a girl from Kutaisi in Tblisi, but I didn't go because she was a
virgin, I went because I really, really liked her. It didn't work out.

I would examine what your goals are and if this is really super important for you.


Don't forget about the chaperones or the family patroni you have to get past.


It is kind of like this





Cameraguy asked me to do a post on this. I'll get around to it soon.



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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2019, 09:41:20 AM »

You base this on what?  Your vast knowledge of Orthodoxy?

[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.

There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2019, 10:06:56 AM »
[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.

There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

I never really intend for it to mean for all girls/people, of course it is a generalisation. In the instance of what I saw in Poland it was the case that most Polish girls avoid eye contact, only one Polish girl that passed me by didn't, a train guard and no I mean other than doing her job, lol.

In Ukraine again a gernalisation but far, far more girls made eye contact readily, eye contact avoidance was slim to none there.

So fotr sure I'm talking in general what I see/percieve as what seems to be common for most girls/people. I'm not sure why anyone would take it as anything other than that. You yourself hasve advance that girls in Georgia are very difficult to get with because of the religious and family set up out there, but again a generalisation for most girls.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2019, 10:24:13 AM »
What a total load of rubbish.   What women say and what they do are 2 different things.   30 year old polish virgins .. maybe in my grandfather's day.....polish girls often are the same as Belarus  and Ukraine  .  They have just learned to be more wary due to a greater exposure to western men who often speak with forked tounge.

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2019, 10:29:59 AM »
Polish women are not virgins but they are harder to get into a relationship with and they want to wear the trousers in the relationship more than Ukrainians.   Belarussians are half way in between.   Yes this a generalisation based on my observations and not statistically  viable.

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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2019, 10:31:44 AM »
[Insert favorite laughing GIF Here]

You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.


You almost can with Georgian women.  :D   I was told by a Georgian virgin woman that finding a Georgian woman in her forties that was still a virgin wouldn't be difficult. I was also advised by a Georgian man I should look for a Georgian virgin to marry. He did. Imagine sitting at a picnic table outside my apartment and being told by a man half my age that I should get a Georgian virgin? He thought it strange that I wouldn't make that a requirement.


There are two things that I have been told to never, never make fun of in Georgia, their food and their Georgian Orthodox faith. Georgian men are crazy about Slavic women. But there is great pressure on them not to marry one. To sleep with one, of course, but not marry. The reason I was told is non-Georgian women would not raise Georgian Orthodox children.   

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2019, 10:33:50 AM »
Trench totally agree.  What I love about Ukraine hot girls making prolonged eye contact in a friendly way.  In the UK that kind of eye contact means the girl is about to pour a drink over you .

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2019, 10:38:49 AM »
Who in the western world wants an old virgin.  Far better a woman who's tried it likes it and is still coming back for more 15 years later

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2019, 10:49:10 AM »
I wouldn't touch a virgin with a ten foot pole.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2019, 10:54:50 AM »
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To Trench, you try to attribute singular traits to huge populations of people.
There are Orthodox girls who are very serious about their religion in every country
in the world and their are girls who are NOT serious about their religion in every
country in the world.
You can't attribute ONE characteristic to an entire population of women you really
need to stop doing that.

No, but it is completely appropriate to describe differences in social mores across cultures and national boundaries.  I have almost 20 years experience traveling in the FSU and then in Poland.  What I have seen is that closer geographically and culturally places in the FSU are to Poland, the more conservative the society and its women.  Western Ukraine is more conservative than Kiev and Eastern Ukraine.  Catholic Lithuania is more conservative than the more Russian and Orthodox Latvia.  I never stayed at a hotel in Poland and had hookers propositioning me in the elevators or calling me in the middle of the night on the phone like I experienced in the FSU. 

It must be said though that young Polish women have great bods :D All are slender, a fattie is very hard to find, those that wear were basically American tourist girls, they dressed completely different. Polish women dress femninine in tight dresses to show off there fifgure but dresses that cover all, very few can be seen with boobs hanging out, unlike Ukrainain girls. American girls tend to dress scruffyish, t-shirt & jeans, almost always overweight so can be easily identified from their Polish counterparts.

While not usually overweight, Polish girls tend to have a particular build.  They tend to be wider in the hips with a flat Polish dupa.  Some find it attractive, but others not.  Facially, they tend to look very Slavic, etc.

You will find it difficult to find a virgin for marriage.

The point that I was making is that FSU girls have found that selling their virginity online is very profitable.  Some do it more than once.  I find it humorous that some wealthy guys are paying extreme sums of money for "recycled virgins".  Modern science is truly amazing!

What a total load of rubbish.   What women say and what they do are 2 different things.   30 year old polish virgins .. maybe in my grandfather's day.....polish girls often are the same as Belarus  and Ukraine  .  They have just learned to be more wary due to a greater exposure to western men who often speak with forked tounge.

They aren't marrying the girls in the village off at 15 like they once did.  I have noticed that women who have been conditioned by society that they should have a career realize that their biological clocks are running out of time when they hit 30.  Suddenly, they become interested in marriage and starting a family.  While it isn't necessarily common, it is possible that some remained virgins.  (What is left to prove it may be a different matter...)  Polish women are certainly more conservative than Russian women.  Others in the FSU may be in between, depending on their cultural blend relative to Poland and Russia.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2019, 11:04:45 AM »
Well it started out in a thread about Georgian women, where like Turkey, virginity is prized.  I remember a story I heard about the Greek community in North America 25 years about a young woman who was humiliated at her bridal shower for not being a virgin for her fiancé.  The tradition was that they put a white sheet on a bed and guests left money for the bride.  In her case, they put a black sheet on the bed and no one left any money.  The Greek girls had a reputation for doing everything but vaginal intercourse to remain, technically, virgins until marriage.

1/ I've lived in Cyprus  on and off for over  a decade and roared with laughter on reading the above ..You and BeeFarmer are twins ?

2/ Given many women do not have hymens or they tear naturally - one seriously has to wonder at the lengths some families go to re 'honour' - esp to husbands who may well up shagging other women....

It's just very curious if Russia has become more religious and pious as msmob asserts why then isn't virginity so prized and left for marriage as Orthodoxy preaches?  Despite all of his snark here, he sadly begs that question.

The clue was in PIOUS ?......

The FSU girls have quite a reputation in Poland.  I do know that Polish men make jokes about “tania Tanya”.  The Polish border guards at the crossing to Kaliningrad are reported to not permit Polish men to cross without showing they have brought condoms.

'Ri-ight;'... you DO know that there's no love lost between Poles and Russians ? ....'Reported' ?  )))))   There is NO way an EU citizen can be prevented from leaving EU territory because of lack of condoms ... WHERE are you reading this SHYTE ?  :ROFL:

Plainly he is not a Catholic who understands that his idea of “tolerance” does not match the doctrine of the Church that abortion is not morally justifiable in cases of rape, since the child is innocent of the crime.  Even when the mother's life is danger from the pregnancy the church has been slow to recognize a mother's right to “self-defense”.

Plainly, someone doesn't realise that in progressive 'Catholic' ( Big C ) nations ( Ireland) that the mother should have rights to abort a child of a criminal act ...and rightly so

This next sentence has also got me rolling about in laughter given that N.Ireland - a maj. PROTESTANT part of the UK is STILL in the dark ages while the Republic has woken up ..... 

Poland's present government has been very committed to following the doctrine of the Catholic church and the Pope, not Ulster Protestants.

ALL, you've proving is that you read some wacko stuff - rather than going to all the places you talk about



Initially?  Really? Then why did the Soviets only return Przemyśl and a very small area of what they took around Białystok and Suwalki out of  a territory that was over 50% of the land of The Second Polish Republic?   A typical ignorant post that ignores that WWII began to remove an independent Polish state from the map and ended without its proper restoration due to treacherous “allies”.  Since  September 1st, 1939 Poland until the last Soviet troops left on September 18, 1993, Poland had been under continuous occupation by one or both of these two allies.  That is a period of over 54 years.   

Better you do some research on your 'internet opponent' - rather than - once more - demonstrating who is the ignorant one ..... I have stated many times on here ( and elsewhere)  that the allies ... particularly the UK and France LOST WWII - as I thought we entered the war as Germany failed to withdraw from Poland and 'we' have a treaty to 'protect her integrity '....

*I* pointed out that both Poland and Russia in various forms - had taken / occupied huge swathes of each others' territory over 600 years- with Poland 'disappearing' completely ....


There now follows a pathetic 'excuse' for Warsaw 'not being in the east' of the nation - which you claimed was 'more Conservative'


Traditionally, Warsaw is considered to be in central to Western Poland.

In the real world - we refer to nation boundaries as they exist in the present .... 



The Wilno/Vilnius area,  Belarus (of yore Lithuania) and (what is now called) Western Ukraine comprise what was the Polish kresy in the East.  .....

'Thanks' for the 'history lesson' - to cover up your howler .....


Why do modern Brits and their Northern Irish countrymen lack a command of the English Language?  “us at the 'rear'"?  Why are you at the rear?  Sounds like an admission of being quite a dupa!

I know a verb from a noun - unlike you .... 'to google' ? ;)

I was using voice recognition to 'type' and missed the interpretation of 'us' for AS' .... my apologies ....

"Why DO N.Americans suggest the 'fanny' AS ( being)  at the 'rear' of a lady ? "




 

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