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Online Dating-The Bad News
« on: April 06, 2019, 11:07:36 PM »
 Fake profiles on Match, yeah we all knew it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/04/how-matchcom-digitized-dating/586603/

Indeed, the profit models of many online-dating sites are at cross-purposes with clients who are trying to develop long-term commitments. A permanently paired-off dater, after all, means a lost revenue stream. Explaining the mentality of a typical dating-site executive, Justin Parfitt, a dating entrepreneur based in San Francisco, puts the matter bluntly: “They’re thinking, Let’s keep this fucker coming back to the site as often as we can.” For instance, long after their accounts become inactive on Match.com and some other sites, lapsed users receive notifications informing them that wonderful people are browsing their profiles and are eager to chat. “Most of our users are return customers,” says Match.com’s Blatt.

http://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/12/tinder-changed-dating/578698/

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/the-lure-of-online-dating-is-not-in-fact-irresistible/266950/

Online dating is one of the few industries in which companies have a vested interest in their clients' failure.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/a-million-first-dates/309195/

There is a book out about the start of Match.com
http://www.indiebound.org/book/9781501122149

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2019, 12:21:01 AM »
Online dating sites exist for one purpose only, to empty your wallet.


Therre are a few real women at domestic and international dating sites. Some men can't tell when agency employees or scammers are writing them. Some men don't understand how sincere women write. Loneliness will be some men's companion for most their lives. Other men can identify real people and attract them. Women will constantly be some men's companion for most of their lives.
There are people that will pass info about you and your family. Do not share info about yourself or share photos as they can search for you on the internet and distribute what they found since they are allowed to participate here.

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2019, 12:40:36 AM »
"Online dating is one of the few industries in which companies have a vested interest in their clients' failure."

Isn't that the truth!

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2019, 03:30:09 PM »
Many of the online sites have the same owners. Match Group,a division of IAC, owns at least 10. This does not include the sites they bought out and merged into their other sites. If I recall correctly, Match.coms rapid growth was fueled by the purchase of msn personals and later by yahoo personals and some smaller sites.
It is definitely a big and profitable business.

http://www.forbes.com/companies/match-group/

http://www.iac.com/brands?field_category__tid=22

Here are some rankings of  top sites.

http://www.alexa.com/topsites/category/Society/Relationships/Dating/Personals/International

http://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/category/people-and-society/relationships-and-dating
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2019, 04:09:40 PM »

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2019, 05:39:06 PM »
http://www.alexa.com/topsites/category/Society/Relationships/Dating/Personals/International


Not one FSU based dating site on that list. Seen a USA based website named "Intoyou" on that list. Never heard of it. Alexa may be promoting certain websites over others. Jeff Bezos owns it and being a Democrat and Hillary supporter, he hates Russia.
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2019, 07:34:23 PM »
Apparently dating apps are very popular with younger adults. I'm too old to know much about them, but here is some info for those interested.

http://graziadaily.co.uk/relationships/dating/55-dating-apps-arent-tinder/

This article has tons of info and lots of  charts showing usage by country, age gender, ect.

http://www.businessofapps.com/data/tinder-statistics/
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2019, 04:36:57 AM »
Not one FSU based dating site on that list. Seen a USA based website named "Intoyou" on that list. Never heard of it. Alexa may be promoting certain websites over others. Jeff Bezos owns it and being a Democrat and Hillary supporter, he hates Russia.

I'm reminded of a ABC song ..

The lines from "Tears are not enough"

"Excuses have their uses, but now they're all used up .. all used up .."



@ 2 mins 38 secs


I heard some classic excuses ..for a HOWLER of epic proportions  ... but this beats all :))





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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2019, 06:49:00 PM »
Interesting article in the Register today.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/31/ai_software_catfishing/

Seems someone is working on AI to identify scammers.
Be sure to read the comments at the end of the article.

Using big head, not little head, is still the best defense.
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2019, 07:11:15 PM »
Of course, being a UK publication, I thought they were referring to the best defenCe....

When I read you referring to AI, I thought you might be posting about  our ex PM ( Cameron) ...[we are having so many, it needed clarification] joining an AI firm...

...in the context of big and little heads...of course....

Another Brit might explain, if this all seems too much...

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2019, 04:10:20 PM »
Interesting video on the history of online dating:


Some customer reviews of a few sites here:
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/dating_services/#compare-online-dating-sites

You will see Mark Brooks in the video. He formerly worked at Friendfinder and POF. He now has a consulting business for online dating companies.
Article about POF here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-markus-frind-bootstrapped-plentyoffish-and-sold-it-for-575-million-2015-7
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2019, 04:30:14 PM »
"Online dating is one of the few industries in which companies have a vested interest in their clients' failure."

Isn't that the truth!

Careful, you're starting to sound as paranoid as me ;D

Theoretically, with relationships starting and finishing all the time and with each younger generation joining they needn't worry. At least not so much as to want their members to fail. Then again if you can siphon them through a system/dating web site that is doing them no favours then they can keep squeezing the same people until they come to realise it's all a sham or bugger off through getting no joy.
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2019, 04:45:07 PM »
What no 'mamba' ?- surely not !

That site had unfortunately slid a lot in the past year. Mamba is unfortunately nothing more than a poorly functioning website/system now like I mentioned above.

Of recent Mamba have been getting onto the old 'reoccuring subscription' scam. When members join their VIP subscription which you now have to do to get any vague access to members and even then it can be vague access you are automatically put onto an automatic subscription. They do do t make you explicitly aware you are on automatic renewal but hide it in their terms and conditions and make it as obscure as possible. Legal in many countries it may still be but ethical or right certainly not. There is also no account screen where you are told what you are on just an ambiguous VIP word. Cancelling has also been made a process of email, etc to put the client to a lot of bother. We fortunately aren't talking vast sums of money here but it's more they way they operate and just take money out of your bank account without giving you notice or you expecting it that is just plain off.
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2019, 02:10:10 AM »
Careful, you're starting to sound as paranoid as me ;D

Theoretically, with relationships starting and finishing all the time and with each younger generation joining they needn't worry. At least not so much as to want their members to fail. Then again if you can siphon them through a system/dating web site that is doing them no favours then they can keep squeezing the same people until they come to realise it's all a sham or bugger off through getting no joy.

Trench

You DO realise that the bucket never gets fuller or emptier - that 'older' folk 'disappear' as younger clients 'appear' ..

I hope this 'news' doesn't upset you .. it's just seems that you like to post some truly daft observations ;)

Most dating sites do not have too much control over relationships not working out .... Dating / Marriage agencies DO ...

Understand the difference ?


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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2019, 06:48:05 AM »
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You DO realise that the bucket never gets fuller or emptier - that 'older' folk 'disappear' as younger clients 'appear' ..

I hope this 'news' doesn't upset you .. it's just seems that you like to post some truly daft observations ;)

Most dating sites do not have too much control over relationships not working out .... Dating / Marriage agencies DO ...

Understand the difference ?

That is what I am saying, I guess being Irish means you argue with people even when you share the same view as them ;D
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2019, 06:53:15 AM »
Hmm - as you were discussing 'mamba' - a dating SITE .. not a marriage agency - you'll 'forgive' me, but there's not much I agree with in ANY of your 'theories'

But thanks, for proving  my last posts point .. as to your ( obtuse) daftness

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2019, 07:16:18 AM »
Hmm - as you were discussing 'mamba' - a dating SITE .. not a marriage agency - you'll 'forgive' me, but there's not much I agree with in ANY of your 'theories'

But thanks, for proving  my last posts point .. as to your ( obtuse) daftness

I'm sorry you prefer MOB of course  :cheesy:
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2019, 12:40:25 PM »
More dating site reviews here:
http://russiandatingreviews.com/

47 international sites listed with customer reviews.
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2019, 12:58:32 PM »
More dating site reviews here:
http://russiandatingreviews.com/

47 international sites listed with customer reviews.


OMG..

I hope you are NOT recommending this site as some sort of 'reference' ... ?

Fdating getting a worse stars than Adate ?   :cluebat:

Come on mate - are you for REAL ?






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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2019, 07:02:01 PM »
 I am not recommending any site.
You can have good or bad experiences anywhere.
Customer reviews should always be taken with a large dose of salt.
Any site owner can have a friend post a good review of his site,
or a bad review of a competitors site.
Such things have been known to happen.
You could register at the site and post a review of any site you have current knowledge of.

I posted the link for the guys asking if some site is good or not.
They can compare features, prices, descriptions, reviews, etc and make their own decision.     
They might also learn of some sites they didn't know about.
Hopefully they will come back and tell us about their own experience. :)
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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2019, 09:08:05 PM »
Hi Grumpy

I am sorry, but I think you are missing the point.

This site is plain misleading.


You are doing a disservice to lurkers who visit the site for hints.




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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2019, 02:45:58 AM »
Some men can't tell when agency employees or scammers are writing them.
I wish I'd been one of those, It would have been way cheaper in the long run.

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2019, 09:19:31 AM »
I wish I'd been one of those, It would have been way cheaper in the long run.

 :P Yeah, but where's the fun in that? Had that been the case, then you've missed out in a lot of the 'fun' such as this...

http://www.instagram.com/sundaymorningrecorded/p/ByI7mNqAGLI/

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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2019, 09:37:14 AM »
agencies serve up an illusion of something that’s ACTUALLY real
all they gotta do is have the glossiest photos for the bait
and look how HARD that bait gets hit by you guys!!!!

hmmm hmmmmm...
debatable what percentage of the profiles are 100% scams, maybe even male writers, who yes, ARE named Yuri
and what percentage are girls playing a couple of guys, trying to string out the letters
and being REAL SWEET near woman’s day to angle for a present you buy her from the agency

y’know what you guys remind me of?

couple years ago, I designed a settop box ASIC for NEC, a Japanese Co, I worked through their San Jose, Ca office, but twice, I had to go to their Tokyo office.....
I met my peers in Tokyo, team building, rah, rah, exercise in the morning
y’know what these jokers all got?
Virtual Girlfriends!!!!!!
I kid you freakin not!!!!
Virtual Freakin’ Girlfriends
Thought it was a joke
but they had a Japanese girlfriend app on their phone
A live freakin woman who pretends to be their REAL girl friend on the phone
and will FREAKIN' call him and make sure he’s eating OK!!!!!

WTF?????

OK, I get y’all....

I really do, I follow my own reality as well....

but look, sure y’can cut out half the scammers just with Skype
but in some way, the WHOLE THING is a scam
and is really just two people trying to make some money
the agency owner, and his free agent contractor, the girl
doesn’t mean you won’t pull it off, I’ve seen some of the craziest stuff imaginable in Ukraine, it’s routine
but it means there’s likely more going on in this relationship then you’re aware of

IF you meet a woman at an agency,
totally focus on getting her out of the agency and just you and her
not hard to put an obscured sign on your wall with your email address when you video chat
now is it....

this is kinda the poor man’s way
lowest common denominator
so it’ll be INSANELY popular.....

smart guys will reject short term thinking and skip agencies completely!!

ALL the young girls do social media in the FSU
like VKontakte or VK
or Viber

if you were to master VK or Viber, you’d have more pooty-tang then you’d ever know what to do with
but ya gotta gavorite po russki, at least some.....
this is the "barrier to entry" for y'all on VK

so best thing y’all can do to bump up your odds
is REALLY simple
learn how to speak some damned Russian
horrosho, ain’t like it’s hard or nuthin......

then...
you want to make a killer web site about yourself....
but yet it’s NOT about you
can be about any subject, but the more popular the better
and make it in Russian language and English

and don’t YOU look GOOD in all the photos!
oh they are gonna love you malchick, eta pravda!
and you start promoting this Russian web site on VK

do this for a year and you will have THOUSANDS of Russian speaking female contacts!
with their pics and contact info and some general idea about what kinda person they are
you will spend so much of your time sexting on VK that you will get NOTHING done EVER again
you're overflowing with hundreds of pics
and if you saw even one of those pics...OMG!!!!

and ya know what?
this is the rolodex you scroll through when you decide to make your first trip "over there"

y'see how freakin EZ it is for the smart guys
and trust me, smart guys will have a LOT of fun over there, like OMG!!!

you guys decide what kinda guy you wanna be
smart or not
and act accordingly


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Re: Online Dating-The Bad News
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2019, 12:37:51 PM »
smart bros have many options depending on age and income

young
go to Ternopil State Medical School, classes taught in English
if you take tests, your Medical degree will count in the USA
if I were a young dewd, I would totally do this
live in an apartment, just off campus
OMG, OMG... and you could hit on this ALL THE TIME!
it would be unreal how easy it would be for you to meet girls at school and invite them over to your apartment.... 
they’d be MAD AS HELL if you didn’t invite them over, because they would be super curious about you (and you can feed into this).

then, once you acquire friends,  you get plugged into different social networks
and then it gets exponentially crazy with the amount of women you know
hundreds...
literally hundreds
and at least 10% will have a mad crazy crush on you
and with almost no effort on your part (because of their own eagerness)
first time you brought them to your apartment
their clothes will “poof”
just come right off
and there she is
sitting on the couch
this way

and your brain just starts racing...



older dewds with $$$

easy start a business in Ukraine!!!!
do it in one of the poorer, large cities
like Dnepr
hire an administrative assistant
$1000 month + clothing allowance + travel allowance....

your first meeting, you go over your business details with her
great if you know power point and can make simple presentations
and you explain how important her appearance is, and you tell her
a clothing allowance is part of the deal and you take her shopping
and over time, you just start breaking down the barriers one by one

bottom line, the first time I paid my first admin, she broke down and cried, because she never held that much money in her life...
you have a LOT of power over these women when you pay them, an unbelievable amount of power actually
especially, after you've paid them the first time, and they get the "money rush"
after that, they more or less will do whatever you want...
IMHO, the process works better if you take it slowly and not all at once
so, eating together constantly, helping her try on clothes at store...
when she's at your apartment, take your shirt off and put on another shirt in front of her
and every day move the needle a little more
in 3-4 weeks she will do EXACTLY what you want her to do
this is how you break them in
at least, it's what I've done...
I do know a few Ukrainian oligarchs
one is a bank President in Kyiv who screws EVERYTHING in his office
or they don't work there any more
another is part owner of steel mill, who keeps his family in one town
and his mistress in another
his mistress is YOUNGER than his daughter
I am a bloody novice in comparison to wealthy Ukrainian men


judge me however y'all want
I don't care - there ain't NO hell, and there sure is hell ain't NO heaven
so why should I care how "good people" judge me
no, it ain't about me,
i'm just tellin it like it is
straight from the hood
word!

In essence, what you’re trying to do is pay her for sex, but not directly
because if you paid her directly she’d be a “prostitutka"
BUT...
if you pay her substantially in cash AND gifts INDIRECTLY
then she’s just being SMART when she has sex with you....

boys her own age are totally boring and unappreciative in the sack....
and many young Ukrainian women don’t like guys their own age
and prefer older men, because younger men literally give them NOTHING in sex (least of all an orgasm, but I won't go there!)
and for these women, it’s all about getting SOMETHING from sex....

believe it or not, these women will WANT to sleep with someone who doesn't have to be young or even handsome
as long as they're happy with what they get from it...

what I think is really COOL is this idea:

so what if you were able to setup a REAL business in Ukraine and not only employ admins
but, wait for it.....
ALSO MAKE MONEY!!!!!
AT THE SAME TIME!!!
SWEET!!!

that's for the smart Bros to contemplate













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