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« on: June 16, 2019, 04:58:32 PM »
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start a business in Ukraine
hire an “admin” - bi-lingual, fresh out of college, little or no job experience, but just stunning...
don’t “sexualize” the relationship until after the first pay check and they feel the money rush
and slowly move the intimacy dial until it’s all the way on maximum
she will offer ZERO resistance
because she's afraid to, afraid the money train will come to a stop...
so long as you’re paying her enough above what the job dictates
that a smart girl would be foolish NOT to take such a great offer
then it's 100% GUARANTEED that a smart girl WILL take the offer!

when I tell you to "cut with the grain", this is what I'm talking about
Russian/Ukrainian women, know ALL ABOUT the situation of bosses and sex
their culture has programmed both genders with this model of behavior
you just use it to your advantage

the riddle is
she WANTS to get something from sex...but yet
NOT think of herself as a prostitute
this is the fig leaf you provide
and this way, she thinks of herself as being smart, and to her way of thinking "richer"

it has worked 100% EVERY TIME!!!
and guys who've never embraced or kissed such incredible sweetness
have no idea what they're missing...


What do you do for a visa if you want to start a business in Ukraine as I guess you would be there a fair bit?
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2019, 05:44:18 PM »
a multi-year multi-entry business visa
which are easy to get

because I have birth certificates
showing two grand parents born in Ukraine
Ukraine issued me a 5 year, multi-entry "Private" visa
if you're "diaspora", Ukraine WANTS you
to come HOME

once you're in Ukraine
you have to deal with an organization called "Ovir" every 6 months
and register your visa
but...
you can send your admin with your passport and $50 to the Ovir office and skip the line completely
this is also known as the "time saving way"

you have to get a tax ID from Ovir as well, in the USA we call this a social security number
and after you have that, you can open a bank account
always use your admin to negotiate rental contracts, etc
you can get a legal document from an "advocat" that gives her "Power of Attorney" to sign for your company

would recommend you keep minimum funds in a Ukrainian bank
just wire into the Ukrainian account your monthly expenses
and withdraw directly from the bank


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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2019, 01:27:49 PM »
a multi-year multi-entry business visa
which are easy to get

because I have birth certificates
showing two grand parents born in Ukraine
Ukraine issued me a 5 year, multi-entry "Private" visa
if you're "diaspora", Ukraine WANTS you
to come HOME

once you're in Ukraine
you have to deal with an organization called "Ovir" every 6 months
and register your visa

Thanks Krim, do you have a link of where to go, I looked on the Ukrainian visa website but can seem to find that one, most seem to be for short term visas that the visa free system already covers. Other than that just temporary resident visa.
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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2019, 02:55:44 PM »
what I recommend you do is get a "visa expediter" in the UK
usually what this will be is someone who is a Ukrainian expat who lives near the embassy
and they process and expedite visas because they have a contact inside the embassy
and her visas get processed ahead of everyone else's

I only know who this is in the USA but not UK
but if you google it, I'm sure you can figure out
who has the most "juice" with the embassy

business in Ukraine is not like business in the UK
a bar would be very difficult business to run there
almost ALL bars in Ukraine are there for money laundering purposes
and not for the self-generated profit
you have tax police
you have krisha

best concept
find something you can buy cheap in Ukraine
and sell for a higher price in the UK
I do business all the time with vendors in Ukraine
I can get DHL, UPS, Fed-Ex delivery, and easy customs clearance from Ukraine
this way you avoid tax police and krisha!!!

there are literally thousands of things you could buy and sell from Ukraine
and the most profitable version of that is the "value added" principle
instead of just "flipping" a product
you buy a foundation and add value to the foundation to create a "higher" product
you could run this business tax free in Ukraine and in your country EASILY
customer pays for shipping!

I don't know the tariff rules in the UK
but here in the USA, even with Trump's new tariff system
you are allowed to import "for personal use" up to $2500 at a time and not pay ANY tariff at all!

the one thing YOU MUST DO is keep a low profile!
if anyone there gets a whiff of money, you will be in TROUBLE!!!
for example, I knew carpenters there who were like Michelangelo with wood, they were artists
I wanted to go into the boat building business with them
I had the location for production, had all utilities, everything!!
had material sources in Western Ukraine
but while doing due diligence for creating this business
I ran into huge krisha problems
which meant that if I did get this business going and it was turning out boats
then one day, I would find out, that someone who was very high up in Crimea's government, would be the new owner
and I'd find out about this only when the police come to change the locks and leave a notice taped to the door
so this project never got off the ground....
but this is what it's like over there
so you want to be INVISIBLE
and another reason, taxes
Ukraine has a 45% employment tax, so most people work "under the table" anyway
it's just better to make the whole business "under the table"

you have to learn to think this way over there

 

 
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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2019, 05:44:16 PM »
what I recommend you do is get a "visa expediter" in the UK
usually what this will be is someone who is a Ukrainian expat who lives near the embassy
and they process and expedite visas because they have a contact inside the embassy
and her visas get processed ahead of everyone else's

I only know who this is in the USA but not UK
but if you google it, I'm sure you can figure out
who has the most "juice" with the embassy

business in Ukraine is not like business in the UK
a bar would be very difficult business to run there
almost ALL bars in Ukraine are there for money laundering purposes
and not for the self-generated profit
you have tax police
you have krisha

best concept
find something you can buy cheap in Ukraine
and sell for a higher price in the UK
I do business all the time with vendors in Ukraine
I can get DHL, UPS, Fed-Ex delivery, and easy customs clearance from Ukraine
this way you avoid tax police and krisha!!!

there are literally thousands of things you could buy and sell from Ukraine
and the most profitable version of that is the "value added" principle
instead of just "flipping" a product
you buy a foundation and add value to the foundation to create a "higher" product
you could run this business tax free in Ukraine and in your country EASILY
customer pays for shipping!

I don't know the tariff rules in the UK
but here in the USA, even with Trump's new tariff system
you are allowed to import "for personal use" up to $2500 at a time and not pay ANY tariff at all!

the one thing YOU MUST DO is keep a low profile!
if anyone there gets a whiff of money, you will be in TROUBLE!!!
for example, I knew carpenters there who were like Michelangelo with wood, they were artists
I wanted to go into the boat building business with them
I had the location for production, had all utilities, everything!!
had material sources in Western Ukraine
but while doing due diligence for creating this business
I ran into huge krisha problems
which meant that if I did get this business going and it was turning out boats
then one day, I would find out, that someone who was very high up in Crimea's government, would be the new owner
and I'd find out about this only when the police come to change the locks and leave a notice taped to the door
so this project never got off the ground....
but this is what it's like over there
so you want to be INVISIBLE
and another reason, taxes
Ukraine has a 45% employment tax, so most people work "under the table" anyway
it's just better to make the whole business "under the table"

you have to learn to think this way over there

Thanks Krim but I don't need a visa fast I need a visa where I can staying Ukraine a while.

I thought bar would be a good one due to the number of drunks in the country, lol. Perhaps they just visit the supermarket though.

I think you're right with keeping a low profile that is what I like to do. Something where its pretty unseen and assets out of reach is good. Renting premises no doubt the way to go and keeping investment low also.
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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2019, 06:27:04 PM »
you pay a visa service for reliability and convenience...

I'd live over there first so you get used to a "very paranoid way of thinking" that you need employ in Ukraine, before you start a business there...
even just living there for a few months and you'd get the feel for what I'm talking about...

if you have a visible business over there, it will attract sharks....
this is a guarantee!
everyone will try their hustle on you, cops, tax police, mafia(s), local corrupt politicians, judges, crooks of every kind...
this is the number one industry in Ukraine, corruption...

that's why a "stealth company" is the best company in Ukraine
and you sell your product in the west
if you're smart you avoid all the negatives this way, taxes, krisha, crooks...
just sayin...

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 03:15:58 AM »
you pay a visa service for reliability and convenience...

I'd live over there first so you get used to a "very paranoid way of thinking" that you need employ in Ukraine, before you start a business there...
even just living there for a few months and you'd get the feel for what I'm talking about...

if you have a visible business over there, it will attract sharks....
this is a guarantee!
everyone will try their hustle on you, cops, tax police, mafia(s), local corrupt politicians, judges, crooks of every kind...
this is the number one industry in Ukraine, corruption...

that's why a "stealth company" is the best company in Ukraine
and you sell your product in the west
if you're smart you avoid all the negatives this way, taxes, krisha, crooks...
just sayin...

Thanks Krim, kind of makes me wonder how Steve in Boston's wife gets on with her business there. Can only imagine they screw over every business owner there, native and foreigner alike. I'm surprised anyone can run much if a business there for long before the costs of all the crooks preying on it run it into the ground.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2019, 03:20:38 AM »
Ah, Trench is back to dreaming of living in Ukraine...

NEVER going to happen

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2019, 05:16:15 AM »
Ah, Trench is back to dreaming of living in Ukraine...

NEVER going to happen

Why do you think it is never going to happen Mobe?
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2019, 05:47:36 AM »
Ukrainians have "mad survival skills" that you don't have Trench, because you're Western....
you never had to "live by your wits" the way Ukrainians do on a daily basis...
you need to acquire this talent if you want to run a business over there and survive

plenty of Westerners have mastered the survival skills necessary for Ukraine
no reason why you couldn't learn as well....
the REWARDS totally justify it!

I HOPE you do succeed Trench!
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2019, 06:23:20 AM »
Ukrainians have "mad survival skills" that you don't have Trench, because you're Western....
you never had to "live by your wits" the way Ukrainians do on a daily basis...
you need to acquire this talent if you want to run a business over there and survive

plenty of Westerners have mastered the survival skills necessary for Ukraine
no reason why you couldn't learn as well....
the REWARDS totally justify it!

I HOPE you do succeed Trench!
then you can just LAUGH and LAUGH at everyone on RWD like I do!

Mad Survival Skills? Not sure what you mean, do you have any examples?
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2019, 06:32:45 AM »
Thanks Krim, kind of makes me wonder how Steve in Boston's wife gets on with her business there. Can only imagine they screw over every business owner there, native and foreigner alike. I'm surprised anyone can run much if a business there for long before the costs of all the crooks preying on it run it into the ground.

As Krim mentioned, partly due to good normal business skills, and partly with street smarts.  She monitors nearby competition and makes sure she pays more taxes than them. Not a lot more, but a little more than the minimum required.  She also keeps her employees well paid.

So, while her competitors have frequent "inspections" and "audits", her store runs more or less unhindered because her taxes are on time and none of her employees complain.

Also, her store is retail.  It's too much work and not enough margin to be attractive to someone that doesn't want to put effort into it.  A lot of stores in her sector failed because they didn't want to put in 80 hour weeks keeping things running and finding new suppliers.  She reinvested her profits into the store during the hard times.  Now that things are more or less stable she can run the store in maintenance mode, and work less hours.


None of what Krim stated is easy.  For him it is easy for someone with the drive and work ethic to set up and run. But it is not easy for anyone who are casual about it or not willing to work more than minimum hours.  It requires 10-16 hours a day.  Not all performing manual labor, but doing research, planning, coordinating, developing contacts, keeping current with new information/rules/policy, thinking about ways to improve or solve problems, etc.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2019, 07:06:16 AM »
As Krim mentioned, partly due to good normal business skills, and partly with street smarts.  She monitors nearby competition and makes sure she pays more taxes than them. Not a lot more, but a little more than the minimum required.  She also keeps her employees well paid.

So, while her competitors have frequent "inspections" and "audits", her store runs more or less unhindered because her taxes are on time and none of her employees complain.

Also, her store is retail.  It's too much work and not enough margin to be attractive to someone that doesn't want to put effort into it.  A lot of stores in her sector failed because they didn't want to put in 80 hour weeks keeping things running and finding new suppliers.  She reinvested her profits into the store during the hard times.  Now that things are more or less stable she can run the store in maintenance mode, and work less hours.


None of what Krim stated is easy.  For him it is easy for someone with the drive and work ethic to set up and run. But it is not easy for anyone who are casual about it or not willing to work more than minimum hours.  It requires 10-16 hours a day.  Not all performing manual labor, but doing research, planning, coordinating, developing contacts, keeping current with new information/rules/policy, thinking about ways to improve or solve problems, etc.

Thanks Steve, that makes it a fair bit clearer hearing of your other half's story. I was shocked when you said she pays more taxes, lol, few people in the west look to do that. I'm still surprised the business continued paying both more taxes and paying employees more though I guess I can see if it avoid issues that would have caused it even more cost then it makes sense. It looks like there is a certain business culture of how best to conduct business in Ukraine that is different from the west. Part of the story even reminded me of the Purges in the USSR, ie employees etc informing on you, except in the business sense of course. Has she had much problem with mafia, hoodlums, etc wanting a cut, or people getting greedy and wanting more than the good deal they were getting?

A 10-16 hour day is a long day, do-able but exhausting particularly if day after day and of course not good for health, that and of course your life can end up where you work so can amount to no life I'm guessing.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2019, 07:40:19 AM »
Trench...

suppose you took a poodle that lived in an apartment in the Midlands
and dropped it off in the forest of Chernovil next to a pack of hungry Ukrainian wolves...
‘ow long do you think it would it be, before that poodle was someone’s dinner ?

in Ukraine, YOU are the poodle Trench...
I think first, you need to understand this...
then decide if you are willing to make the mental changes necessary to survive there
for example, your quaint British habit of being respectful and considerate of other people, I think you even have a word for it in your language, “politeness” did I spell it correctly?
that's just the FIRST of many things that you will need to abandon in Ukraine....
and you will also need to learn to ALWAYS stand your ground in Ukraine, ALWAYS...
and NEVER take one step backwards....
instead of saying, “sorry, excuse me”
now ya got it all sussed out?

for a business, your only choice is finding something in Ukraine that you can "buy low" and "sell high" in the UK
maybe travel back and forth....
international shipping from Kyiv is now excellent!
and customer pays shipping costs!

years ago, I helped a friend of mine who owns a small gallery on the east coast create a supply chain of artists in Ukraine and he ended up exclusively selling their paintings and embroidered tapestries for a 500% to 800% markup in his gallery

he supports himself quite well, just from this...

this is a simple example of what you can do




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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2019, 08:16:23 AM »
Why do you think it is never going to happen Mobe?

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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 08:48:34 AM »
Trench...

suppose you took a poodle that lived in an apartment in the Midlands
and dropped it off in the forest of Chernovil next to a pack of hungry Ukrainian wolves...
‘ow long do you think it would it be, before that poodle was someone’s dinner ?

in Ukraine, YOU are the poodle Trench...
I think first, you need to understand this...
then decide if you are willing to make the mental changes necessary to survive there
for example, your quaint British habit of being respectful and considerate of other people, I think you even have a word for it in your language, “politeness” did I spell it correctly?
that's just the FIRST of many things that you will need to abandon in Ukraine....
and you will also need to learn to ALWAYS stand your ground in Ukraine, ALWAYS...
and NEVER take one step backwards....
instead of saying, “sorry, excuse me”
now ya got it all sussed out?

for a business, your only choice is finding something in Ukraine that you can "buy low" and "sell high" in the UK
maybe travel back and forth....
international shipping from Kyiv is now excellent!
and customer pays shipping costs!

years ago, I helped a friend of mine who owns a small gallery on the east coast create a supply chain of artists in Ukraine and he ended up exclusively selling their paintings and embroidered tapestries for a 500% to 800% markup in his gallery

he supports himself quite well, just from this...

this is a simple example of what you can do

Yeah see what you mean Krim, hence the FSU mentality of being stubborn, direct, etc must make for an interesting place if everyone stands their ground.

I will think some more on the business, many thanks :)
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2019, 12:08:33 PM »
I met a german owner of a bar and a restaurant in Thailand. He was living here for several years. We had some type of business discussions.
He told me : i hire only thailand people, not low cost vietman or others and i pay all my taxes to the governement, all my business is legal. I never had a problem.
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2019, 12:49:02 PM »
There are some in Ukraine and elsewhere that underreport earnings and pay less tax. The main problem is not so much that the government will catch you (which can be a problem, don’t get me wrong), but that a corrupt official or someone else finds out and extorts you over it.

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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »
Yeah see what you mean Krim, hence the FSU mentality of being stubborn, direct, etc must make for an interesting place if everyone stands their ground.

I will think some more on the business, many thanks :)


Not everyone in the country is the same, just as everyone in the UK is not the same. 


You will never survive there, so stop thinking about it.  Furthermore, you can't run a business without Ukrainians, and over half of them will have no compunction stealing from you, particularly as you're a foreigner.  It's just a stupid idea, particularly in today's climate in Ukraine.


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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2019, 01:00:28 PM »

Not everyone in the country is the same, just as everyone in the UK is not the same. 


You will never survive there, so stop thinking about it.  Furthermore, you can't run a business without Ukrainians, and over half of them will have no compunction stealing from you, particularly as you're a foreigner.  It's just a stupid idea, particularly in today's climate in Ukraine.


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That sounds like a challenge you're setting me Boe ;D
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2019, 01:02:33 PM »
There are some in Ukraine and elsewhere that underreport earnings and pay less tax. The main problem is not so much that the government will catch you (which can be a problem, don’t get me wrong), but that a corrupt official or someone else finds out and extorts you over it.

Ah, so is it more a case of keeping your nose as clean as a whistle, cleaner than clean and so avoid people doing you over as a result.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2019, 01:16:35 PM »
That sounds like a challenge you're setting me Boe ;D


It's not a challenge.  I can guarantee this will be a waste of your time.  You'd be far better to increase your career potential in the UK, or somewhere with money, like Saudi Arabia, Dubai or the UAE.


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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2019, 01:34:33 PM »

It's not a challenge.  I can guarantee this will be a waste of your time.  You'd be far better to increase your career potential in the UK, or somewhere with money, like Saudi Arabia, Dubai or the UAE.


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No way am I going to any of those sh*tholes! They throw you in prison in those places for any bizzare reason! That's if you survive the scorching temperatures in the first place, lol.
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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2019, 01:41:25 PM »
So instead, you think you can survive in Ukraine, ROFL.


Have a look at how many multinationals have exited Ukraine.  That tells you of the business climate.


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Re: Business Visas for Ukraine
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2019, 01:55:46 PM »
Trench....

dishonest or fraudulent conduct is basically the norm in Ukraine
so you have to learn how to conduct yourself in this environment

when you grow up this way, it becomes “second nature” for Ukrainians
but definitely NOT for someone from the UK....
it's a survival skill you will have to learn there...




вы думаете, что любой из этих людей, даже российских, подозревает, что я русский?

 

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